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At first glance, those charts are surprising. But then think about the state of all democracies right now. Australia has gone to outright tyranny. America just had a fraudulent election result and is now living in a post-democracy era. Western Europe has no freedom of speech, no military might, and grovels at China's feet. What sterling example of democracy should Russians be aspiring to? Every democracy in the world is in the process of being corrupted, subdued and subjugated.

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Russia is also a corrupt authoritarian shithole run by the mob.

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-Russia is run by a corrupt oligarchy.
-The United States is run by a corrupt oligarchy.

Russia will be the better place for free men a generation hence, because:
-Russia is much more rural, and has nowhere near the transportation and surveillance infrastructure that plagues the US.
-Russian bureaucracy is less efficient, and apparently more bribeable.
-Russian restrictions on firearms ownership will likely be no different than those in America in a generation. They are ignored there, as they will be here.
-Russia will never be overrun by Mexicans and their ilk.

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Starlink is going to change a lot of things.

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How is this even a question? I don't even want to leave (travel out of)the US if I don't have to. Fuck everywhere but the United States.

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@jekbrown

OP, how are things looking long term? Is the US falling into the abyss? How are things in Russia? We need an azimuth check on our trajectory.

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The US. Russia is Moscow and a bunch of 3rd world country.

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Fair enough. What bothered you about Russia when you visited?

@xylo

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Here's a video of Izhevsk, Russia, the 20th most populous city in Russia.  It doesn't look 3rd world to me.  The time lapse shows improvements over the last 10 years while Russia has been under sanctions and the Ruble collapsed.  It's comparable in population to Louisville, KY.(If you don't think that comparison is fair because L'ville is a shithole, US cities in the same pop. range include Portland, Detroit, Memphis, Milwaukee, Baltimore, Vegas, and Albuquerque.)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pzuhe8a_ltA

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Which ever country supports Israel and is anti Fag.

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People who shit on the USA haven’t lived other places.

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This is one that needs to keep going. All 10 years to July 2030! I hope when we get to 10 that every person in the site is like "man, the OP sure was wrong on this one!" Never wanted to be more wrong about something...but I fear that the left's march to dictatorship here can't be stopped at this point without shooting, and I have my doubts that a second revolution will happen.

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Seems GD has tons of folks who like living in Russia.  

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Russia wouldn't tolerate a bunch of American immigrants. We'd be viewed the same way we look at the muslim immigrant trains in Europe. We'd get treated far worse too.

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I’m an Orthodox Christian so they would like me
We would even  commune together.

But i hate commies so I am dying in USA or its colony (PR)

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This came up in the big riot thread, and like 99% of Americans I scoffed at this at first...but at this point, I actually think it's not unimaginable that we could get to a point, in a decade or less, where it's a legit question. I'm not saying "let's compare 2020 Russia vs 2020 USA". For the sake of argument, what we're going to do is imagine a world where 2030 Russia remains largely the same as it is now, but here in the US democrats take over in DC after the 2020 election. They hold the WH, the House, and they take a very slight majority in the Senate with Biden's VP being a tie breaker. Let's further stipulate that the left focuses HARD on banning guns at the federal level. Think about the effort they made on Obamacare. Same deal here, complete with the same kind of jacked up behind the scenes arm twisting and "we have to vote on it before you can see what's in it" treachery that Pelosi/Reid/Obama used before. Due to that effort, they manage to get gun control passed, with the new laws being somewhat similar to the UK. Imports are as locked down as Germany. Outside of that, other changes in the US are incremental...which is to say more government control, more gov spending, more debt, more social programs etc. than we currently have in 2020 USA.

IF that were to happen, would you rather live in Russia or the USA? Some things that might influence the decision:

1) Russia has a flat 13% income tax
2) Russia has less SJW bullshit
3) In Russia people are taught to love their country. A lot of it may be propaganda, but by and large people DO.
4) In Russia they have ASSLOADS of rural land. There's places in Russia where you can buy thousands of acres for under $100,000.
5) Large swaths of the media is state controlled there...but then again what's the difference between that and the gleefully-willing alliance between the American media and the DNC?
6) If you talk smack about Putin, you mind get in trouble. On the other hand, in the US if you say something as simple as "all lives matter" you might lose your job, your business, your house and/or your life...and that's in 2020. It's almost certain to get worse by 2030.
7) By 2030 Starlink will give you fast internet everywhere in the world, including BFE Siberia.

I'm not saying I'm moving to Russia. I'm a Texan now and I'll lead a second TX Revolution to leave the US before I move to Russia...I'm just saying that this is a sign of just how fucked up our 'direction' is right now where this could even be a question. If you disagree, please do so with factual reasons why you'd rather live here and with the criteria of the scenario in mind. We're not talking about Stalin's USSR or 1975 USSR...or even 2020 Russia. Every country has done bad shit at one time or another. I'm talking purely about what is entirely plausible over the the next decade.

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This came up in the big riot thread, and like 99% of Americans I scoffed at this at first...but at this point, I actually think it's not unimaginable that we could get to a point, in a decade or less, where it's a legit question. I'm not saying "let's compare 2020 Russia vs 2020 USA". For the sake of argument, what we're going to do is imagine a world where 2030 Russia remains largely the same as it is now, but here in the US democrats take over in DC after the 2020 election. They hold the WH, the House, and they take a very slight majority in the Senate with Biden's VP being a tie breaker. Let's further stipulate that the left focuses HARD on banning guns at the federal level. Think about the effort they made on Obamacare. Same deal here, complete with the same kind of jacked up behind the scenes arm twisting and "we have to vote on it before you can see what's in it" treachery that Pelosi/Reid/Obama used before. Due to that effort, they manage to get gun control passed, with the new laws being somewhat similar to the UK. Imports are as locked down as Germany. Outside of that, other changes in the US are incremental...which is to say more government control, more gov spending, more debt, more social programs etc. than we currently have in 2020 USA.

IF that were to happen, would you rather live in Russia or the USA? Some things that might influence the decision:

1) Russia has a flat 13% income tax
2) Russia has less SJW bullshit
3) In Russia people are taught to love their country. A lot of it may be propaganda, but by and large people DO.
4) In Russia they have ASSLOADS of rural land. There's places in Russia where you can buy thousands of acres for under $100,000.
5) Large swaths of the media is state controlled there...but then again what's the difference between that and the gleefully-willing alliance between the American media and the DNC?
6) If you talk smack about Putin, you mind get in trouble. On the other hand, in the US if you say something as simple as "all lives matter" you might lose your job, your business, your house and/or your life...and that's in 2020. It's almost certain to get worse by 2030.
7) By 2030 Starlink will give you fast internet everywhere in the world, including BFE Siberia.

I'm not saying I'm moving to Russia. I'm a Texan now and I'll lead a second TX Revolution to leave the US before I move to Russia...I'm just saying that this is a sign of just how fucked up our 'direction' is right now where this could even be a question. If you disagree, please do so with factual reasons why you'd rather live here and with the criteria of the scenario in mind. We're not talking about Stalin's USSR or 1975 USSR...or even 2020 Russia. Every country has done bad shit at one time or another. I'm talking purely about what is entirely plausible over the the next decade.

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Look at that, support for socialism is at an all-time high in Russia...

https://i.imgur.com/AjzlYOF.png

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This came up in the big riot thread, and like 99% of Americans I scoffed at this at first...but at this point, I actually think it's not unimaginable that we could get to a point, in a decade or less, where it's a legit question. I'm not saying "let's compare 2020 Russia vs 2020 USA". For the sake of argument, what we're going to do is imagine a world where 2030 Russia remains largely the same as it is now, but here in the US democrats take over in DC after the 2020 election. They hold the WH, the House, and they take a very slight majority in the Senate with Biden's VP being a tie breaker. Let's further stipulate that the left focuses HARD on banning guns at the federal level. Think about the effort they made on Obamacare. Same deal here, complete with the same kind of jacked up behind the scenes arm twisting and "we have to vote on it before you can see what's in it" treachery that Pelosi/Reid/Obama used before. Due to that effort, they manage to get gun control passed, with the new laws being somewhat similar to the UK. Imports are as locked down as Germany. Outside of that, other changes in the US are incremental...which is to say more government control, more gov spending, more debt, more social programs etc. than we currently have in 2020 USA.

IF that were to happen, would you rather live in Russia or the USA? Some things that might influence the decision:

1) Russia has a flat 13% income tax
2) Russia has less SJW bullshit
3) In Russia people are taught to love their country. A lot of it may be propaganda, but by and large people DO.
4) In Russia they have ASSLOADS of rural land. There's places in Russia where you can buy thousands of acres for under $100,000.
5) Large swaths of the media is state controlled there...but then again what's the difference between that and the gleefully-willing alliance between the American media and the DNC?
6) If you talk smack about Putin, you mind get in trouble. On the other hand, in the US if you say something as simple as "all lives matter" you might lose your job, your business, your house and/or your life...and that's in 2020. It's almost certain to get worse by 2030.
7) By 2030 Starlink will give you fast internet everywhere in the world, including BFE Siberia.

I'm not saying I'm moving to Russia. I'm a Texan now and I'll lead a second TX Revolution to leave the US before I move to Russia...I'm just saying that this is a sign of just how fucked up our 'direction' is right now where this could even be a question. If you disagree, please do so with factual reasons why you'd rather live here and with the criteria of the scenario in mind. We're not talking about Stalin's USSR or 1975 USSR...or even 2020 Russia. Every country has done bad shit at one time or another. I'm talking purely about what is entirely plausible over the the next decade.

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Hello? Hellllllllooooooooo?



  Are you guys all hiding out in Putin’s bunker with him?

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If Russia nails Putin and kills every communist right now it will become the #1 supper power within 10 years.

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If Russia nails Putin and kills every communist right now it will become the #1 supper power within 10 years.

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If Russia nails Putin and kills every communist right now it will become the #1 supper power within 10 years.