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Dumbest fucking thread of the day and that’s saying something because tirod posted today.

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Well, if that’s your metric, you’ll probably like Russia, though the Soviet Union’s outreach in Africa from 1950-1990 might cause you to be a bit shocked when you come across a black guy who speaks Russian as well as any native.

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Russia began to legalize guns ~2000, under Putin's leadership, and they have continued become more accessible to "citizens" for self defense. Subsequently, murder rates plummeted to lower than the USA.

https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/484974/Screenshot_2020-11-06_russia_murder_rate-1672953.JPG

Russian women also have the largest breasts in the world.

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/weird-news/breast-size-map-world-revealed-8625788


https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/484974/Screenshot_2020-11-06_How_do_Brits_compa-1672957.JPG

I rest my case.

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Should be easy enough for even you to follow. You are wrong in your assumptions and most large cities in the us are inherently more dangerous.

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Why would I need to move to Russia? I already live in Southeastern Oklahoma, there is no discernible difference.

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The difference is California and New York were busy passing new gun laws while Russia was busy opening up new freedoms.

If you want to be specific, many cities in USA are far more restrictive than Russia.

And certain guns are still illegal in USA but are readily available in Russia.

There is still a "permit" required in Russia, and anybody without a criminal or mental health record an get it with simple paperwork.

The same can be said for some liberal shit hole states in the USA...

On the plus side, unlike SEVERAL other countries with "easy firearm ownership", at least in Russia "self defense with a firearm" is legal.



So put that in your pipe and smoke it.

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This came up in the big riot thread, and like 99% of Americans I scoffed at this at first...but at this point, I actually think it's not unimaginable that we could get to a point, in a decade or less, where it's a legit question. I'm not saying "let's compare 2020 Russia vs 2020 USA". For the sake of argument, what we're going to do is imagine a world where 2030 Russia remains largely the same as it is now, but here in the US democrats take over in DC after the 2020 election. They hold the WH, the House, and they take a very slight majority in the Senate with Biden's VP being a tie breaker. Let's further stipulate that the left focuses HARD on banning guns at the federal level. Think about the effort they made on Obamacare. Same deal here, complete with the same kind of jacked up behind the scenes arm twisting and "we have to vote on it before you can see what's in it" treachery that Pelosi/Reid/Obama used before. Due to that effort, they manage to get gun control passed, with the new laws being somewhat similar to the UK. Imports are as locked down as Germany. Outside of that, other changes in the US are incremental...which is to say more government control, more gov spending, more debt, more social programs etc. than we currently have in 2020 USA.

IF that were to happen, would you rather live in Russia or the USA? Some things that might influence the decision:

1) Russia has a flat 13% income tax
2) Russia has less SJW bullshit
3) In Russia people are taught to love their country. A lot of it may be propaganda, but by and large people DO.
4) In Russia they have ASSLOADS of rural land. There's places in Russia where you can buy thousands of acres for under $100,000.
5) Large swaths of the media is state controlled there...but then again what's the difference between that and the gleefully-willing alliance between the American media and the DNC?
6) If you talk smack about Putin, you mind get in trouble. On the other hand, in the US if you say something as simple as "all lives matter" you might lose your job, your business, your house and/or your life...and that's in 2020. It's almost certain to get worse by 2030.
7) By 2030 Starlink will give you fast internet everywhere in the world, including BFE Siberia.

I'm not saying I'm moving to Russia. I'm a Texan now and I'll lead a second TX Revolution to leave the US before I move to Russia...I'm just saying that this is a sign of just how fucked up our 'direction' is right now where this could even be a question. If you disagree, please do so with factual reasons why you'd rather live here and with the criteria of the scenario in mind. We're not talking about Stalin's USSR or 1975 USSR...or even 2020 Russia. Every country has done bad shit at one time or another. I'm talking purely about what is entirely plausible over the the next decade.

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Note that unrifled firearms much more easily obtained, so you seem to be attempting to persuade the uninformed by selecting a special category of firearms for comparison.

That's like saying USA doesn't have gun freedoms because only a relatively few people have machine guns and silencers.

The fact that I've caught you using manipulative debate tactics doesn't help your case.

You also haven't provided any cases or case law to support your assertion that using a gun in legitamate self defense in Russia will result in prosecution.

Based solely on your previously noted obviously manipulative argument methods, I don't see any reason to take your assertion at face value without supporting documentation.



That's what's called a burn.

And even if you do manage to cherry pick one case, I'm sure I can counter with some poor sucker on a diverted flight who took possession of their baggage in NYC, or happens to live in some shithole liberal USA state. Cases of which are not uncommon.

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I can't believe this is even a question?  WTF

Look how fucked russia is currently.  The economy in Russia is not good.  The Russian people are not free.  Go against Putin and miraculously you will fall through a window.

I love the Russian people but no move no way.

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If you move to Russia, you better love Fudd guns.

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There is such a thing as ignorance,which simply means not being well informed about a matter. I am nearly completely ignorant regarding botany outside of my local area. Someone who knows much more than me can explain how this conifer differs from another and I am willing to accept that someone with knowledge and experience understands the topic and will consider them far more an expert on trees than myself.

There is also such a thing as stupidity. Stupidity would be me listening to someone who works in forestry try to explain to me how to tell a fir from a larch and going “I read part of a Wikipedia article on Christmas trees and you are wrong”.


This thread isn’t a display of ignorance.

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Nearly all the responses in this thread have zero contributing information or indications that the OP was actually read. I really don't care if you think it's the stupidest idea in the history of ideas, without some kind of explanation as to WHY you think that it's just a waste of 1s and 0s and everyone's time.

Russia has some fucked up things going on. So does the US, and it's likely to be 100x worse in 10 years in the US, while the Russians will likely muddle along making incredibly slow progress in their March to not being a shithole. It's not outside the realm of possibility that being white in the US in 2030 will be very much like being white in South Africa is now. Widespread murder and seizing of property and literally no one gives a shit, including the courts. We've got a sneak preview of it with BLM / Antifa riots where white people being killed or their financial lives ruined is fully, in the eyes of the media, the DAs, elected officials, and millions of Americans, shrug-worthy. No one marches / protests in the name of white people being murdered, ever. No one gives a shit if their property is stolen. You have insurance, STFU and understand my rage. If you think this will get better in the next decade, you're likely a nut job. The US is going banana republic style.

Anyway, read the OP fully, please. There's a very specific scenario there. People saying "hope you like Fudd guns" clearly didn't read the OP, which lays out the US having UK style gun control by 2030. Soooo, yeah, read, then post...and post something meaningful/interesting, please.

Quoted:Sooo,yeah,I did read,and then I posted but it wasn’t what you wanted to read because you have already convinced yourself of what you think the answer is.

 Your basic premise is flawed because Russia isn’t muddling along on the way to not being a shithole,it has been explained to you that they are kicking the demographic can down the road by pretending it doesn’t exist.  I will tell you again: they have,for years now,placed a cap on the number of Muslim conscripts. They do not want their army to reflect the actual demographics of Russia. Unless you think that these groups of Russian speaking Muslims want to make Russia great again,which maybe they do ???????


 The US may very well have a difficult 4 years ahead of it under Biden/Harris but what you do not take into account is how far the US has to fall to reach a midpoint of where Russia could hope to be. It is possible that Putin leaves office,a miracle happens and the reforms necessary to make Russia not a shithole happen. This is unlikely.
 You survived 8 years of Obama that were supposed to be the worst ever,you are going to survive 4 of Biden/Harris. It is highly,highly unlikely that your worst case fears end up being so. BLM is a tool,not a self funded organization. As soon as it gets out of hand the money will dry up and so will the publicity.
Your fears of being murdered by rampaging mobs of black people are overblown. History has shown that they are a bigger threat to their own communities but here you are thinking it’s going to be Zimbabwe. You almost certainly will lose quite a bit of gun rights and Biden/Harris fiscal and foreign policy is going to be shit but you are leaving out that the US is run backwards from Russia. Russia is a system when Putin dictates what any business may do. In the US business dictates what politicians do. The DSA wing is not going to be handed the reins by the DNC establishment and no matter how much guys on here scream things like “let it all burn”,if somehow the farthest left does get a bit out of hand then yes,you certainly will side with the DNC to get things back under control.

In total,you are looking at a dystopian worst case scenario for the US while somehow thinking this doesn’t lead to global upset and Russia has a best case scenario and no,I am not seeing that happen. This isn’t what you want to read so I suppose I will tell you that yes,in 10 years Russia will be the last white,Christian bastion against all things bad and the US will at very best be South Africa.

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Well you’re one of the least valued posters, so this post isn’t saying much

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If you actually believe that your personal property is yours and/or you have any personal rights, including the right to own weapons, in Russia ...you’re a fucking idiot.

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Nearly all the responses in this thread have zero contributing information or indications that the OP was actually read. I really don't care if you think it's the stupidest idea in the history of ideas, without some kind of explanation as to WHY you think that it's just a waste of 1s and 0s and everyone's time.

Russia has some fucked up things going on. So does the US, and it's likely to be 100x worse in 10 years in the US, while the Russians will likely muddle along making incredibly slow progress in their March to not being a shithole. It's not outside the realm of possibility that being white in the US in 2030 will be very much like being white in South Africa is now. Widespread murder and seizing of property and literally no one gives a shit, including the courts. We've got a sneak preview of it with BLM / Antifa riots where white people being killed or their financial lives ruined is fully, in the eyes of the media, the DAs, elected officials, and millions of Americans, shrug-worthy. No one marches / protests in the name of white people being murdered, ever. No one gives a shit if their property is stolen. You have insurance, STFU and understand my rage. If you think this will get better in the next decade, you're likely a nut job. The US is going banana republic style.

Anyway, read the OP fully, please. There's a very specific scenario there. People saying "hope you like Fudd guns" clearly didn't read the OP, which lays out the US having UK style gun control by 2030. Soooo, yeah, read, then post...and post something meaningful/interesting, please.

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The thing is, white South Africans were something around 11% of the population but controlled a majority of the economy.  That’s a situation ripe for instability.  Even now in the U.S., even forecasting 20 years forward, white people are around 40% or so of the demographics under the most skeptical take.  If you include people who “identify as white” that number goes up to 60% or so.

There isn’t going to be any South Africa/Rhodesia here.  BLM is quite literally the modern equivalent of the Ku Klux Klan - both in terms of its segregationist message; but more particularly in its outcome.  It’s a false flag.  The whole point is to reverse psychology tolerant civil libertarians into thinking they need to be genocidal maniacs to protect themselves.

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You're probably right, but there's a difference between SA and the US, and that's that self loathing marxist/liberal white people do most of the killing of other white people in the American scenario. It's really marxists vs Americans under the guise of a race war, not a 'real' race war.

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America is worth fighting for.  It's worth dying for if I have a chance for my Kids and Grandkids live in it.
Tyrants and communists are on notice.

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It's easy to be a communist in a free country. Try being free in a communist country.

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The pendulum will swing back in America.
And when it does, this place will make Russia look like the third world.

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lol

Russia is the trailerpark of nations.  They used to be a global superpower, and how they have a tiny pathetic economy (the size of Italy), a completely broken military that is the laughingstock of the world, and are run by an ex-KGB dictator who will literally have you killed if you criticize him.

There’s a reason that every intelligent Russian person has left that awful shithole of a country.

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Be interesting to see how people feel about this question after Cum-allah is President. It is not outside the realm of possibility that Putin kicks the can of heart disease and a reformer takes his place... meanwhile in the USA the death spiral and eventual balkanization of the nation continue. Some states will leave the union, others that may be red will choose to stay. I'm not sure hot civil war is happening, but I'm pretty sure Cali / NY soybois aren't going to march to invade Texas, so we'll just go our separate ways.

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6) If you talk smack about Putin, you mind get in trouble. On the other hand, in the US if you say something as simple as "all lives matter" you might lose your job, your business, your house and/or your life...and that's in 2020. It's almost certain to get worse by 2030.