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Its too hard so just give up and be fat Which is it then? OP don't listen to this. If you restrict calories you will lose weight. Make sure you are getting your vitamins and other nutrition. Keeping it off after you lose it is up to you. I think you will see how hard it was to lose it, you won't want to gain it back. View Quote 1200 calories is not sustainable long term for an adult male. Suddenly jumping to only 1200 calories is binging. Eating at a reasonable caloric deficit for a reasonable amount of time is how people who are successful with weight loss accomplish it. |
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I've been on myfitnesspal for 1500 consecutive days ..I went from 270 to 160lbs mostly on counting calories and road cycling ...1200-1500 calories is a normal day for me even with 45-to an hour on the bike ..anything higher than that and I start to gain.
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I've been on myfitnesspal for 1500 consecutive days ..I went from 270 to 160lbs mostly on counting calories and road cycling ...1200-1500 calories is a normal day for me even with 45-to an hour on the bike ..anything higher than that and I start to gain. View Quote |
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It's not supposed to be sustainable - he's trying to lose weight. And - depending on your size and activity level - 1200 isn't hard to live on if you do it right. I've been eating <= 1200/day for the last 8 months, gone from 245 to 180, and feel better than I have since I was a teenager. I'm actually fine-tuning my diet as we speak to go from losing to maintaining as I get closer to my goal of 170, and it's going to end up at not much more than 1200. What you eat is just as (if not more) important as how much you eat. Calories in/calories out is bullshit; all energy sources are not created equal and they are processed, stored or burned in different ways. Appetite, satiety, cravings, binging... they're all controlled by hormones produced in response to what foods you are consuming, and the real secret to long-term, sustainable success is orchestrating the hormone dance - not sweat and willpower. View Quote Let me tell you guys a secret: keto works because it restricts your caloric intake in a manner you find acceptable and satiating. Just like paleo works for some people, or portion control and eating low caloric density works for me. |
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So, back in the day when I was in my 20's. I was loading trucks at UPS, running 5k's, lifting weights, doing Martial arts 3 times a week. I hit Wendy's every day at lunch for a triple cheese, large fry and shake. Not counting breakfast and dinner which might be cheese dip with sausage. I could not gain weight. Then when I got out of school, quit UPS, started the desk job in a office. I gained 10lbs the first week.
Now I am 64, I try to stay around 1200 cals per day, Vegan diet which to me means no animal products, works for me, might not work for anyone else. My best friend had triple by pass at 53, that got my attention. Forks over Knives on Net flix |
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170lb, assuming average US height, and @ 10% bodyfat, is very athletic/aesthetic looking. The only way he’s getting numbers significantly above that is if he is A) taller than average, B) on PEDs, or C) still carrying additional bodyfat. ^ I know this shatters the illusion many in GD carries in their head and lead to much defensive balking, but while many here know their weight, they have a very skewed perception of what proportion of that weight is muscle and fat. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Your goal is 170's?? Are you a midget? ^ I know this shatters the illusion many in GD carries in their head and lead to much defensive balking, but while many here know their weight, they have a very skewed perception of what proportion of that weight is muscle and fat. |
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Because people eat too much. Nobody is skirting the laws of thermodynamics. Nobody. View Quote That’s indisputable, but the energy required to break down protein, fat & carbs isn’t equal & neither is the energy output in different humans. The human body doesn’t light a hamburger on fire to fuel a boiler in your stomach, which is how calories are measured in various foods. The basic rule of calories in calories out & “a calorie is a calorie” can only be applied as a general principal to younger healthy humans who aren’t overweight. Which for most people looking to lose weight in America isn’t the case. It’s about as useful as BMI, the reality is more complex & only applies to certain groups. |
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Quoted: Is there or rather has there ever been an engine/motor that was 100% efficient? Sooo...do us humans ...say ingest 100 calories and use or otherwise utilize all 100 calories? Said another way ...I bet there are still calories left in your poop and pee. View Quote |
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Quoted: This is where the discussion always falls apart. Technically, you are correct. On a human level, with hormones and metabolism, it doesn't work. If it did, more people would succeed. If you eat fat and protein, you tend to stop when you've consumed what you need. If you eat Frosted Flakes, pancakes, or Chinese food, you tend to crave more food despite having met your caloric needs. And once you eat carbs, insulin kicks in. Insulin causes your body to change the way it treats calories. it causes you to tend to store energy in cells. How does this not make sense? CICO is technically correct- it just doesn't matter much if you're a human being. Your body treats different macros differently. How about this: Your body naturally regulates itself on a CICO basis, UNTIL you short circuit the whole system by overloading it with carbs. Carbs make you tired, so you move less; carbs make you hungry, so you eat more. But good luck with your chosen path. View Quote But for people who are overweight and have metabolic damage, it’s better to severely limit carbs. Being in ketosis isn’t necessary for weight loss for this group, but it can help for short term fat loss & as a treatment for certain medical issues. I’m a believer in slow & permanent changes to eating habits, rather than extreme overnight attempts that are not sustainable. This advice applies to anyone, overweight or not. |
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I'm thinking of getting back on the weight loss train again...here is my dilemma: BMI says borderline obese, but that doesn't mean anything (broad shoulders, tons of muscle in legs, gut is small enough that I can still see a six pack there under an inch of fat). BMI is shit science. I did a company program with incentives just to see what happened - tracked everything I ate. I ate less, did more activity, and went ten pounds down. I also felt weak all the time. Quit doing the program and went right back ten pounds up to where I had been for about the last 7 years. Drink beer, eat meat, basically veggies and meat with a few carbs here and there and a shitload of cheese. I don't gain weight past where I started. I really would like to go back down to where I was in high school but i'll look like a goof with huge legs, wide shoulders and a 29" waist. it's plenty easy to tuck a pistol as it is and I don't want to lose muscle mass. I did a major regimen once before about 8 years ago and lost 35lbs in about three months, but felt weak in comparison and it didn't make me any healthier by the Dr's measurements. If I was bigger i'm sure I would have felt better but for my build I really didn't notice much other than I could run better but was weaker (couldn't max leg press machine anymore). In my younger (HS) prime I could run a 7:11 1.5 mile (4.44 mile) not competing, but I don't want to be stick built as it would be detrimental to some career roles (can't explain further, persec). Kinda stuck at a "f-it" point unless I start getting any bigger, but it seems i'm just meant to be where i'm at. 5'8" 175-180. Enough with my rant. Anyways, if you want to lose a lot of weight fast, it can be done, but there are always compromises. Find your balance OP. My best results were made with a heart monitor and a personalized plan I designed that worked on my heart rate and alternating cardio and strength every day. View Quote Overall health is more than just body composition. Once you start working out it can become difficult to keep perspective of how you look in the mirror vs how you feel. As long as you’re in decent shape, how you feel mentally & physically is more important. |
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Legit ketobro question. If pissing out ketones means that your body is burning fat, how can you tell that it’s from the fat stored on your body and not from the fact that you’re eating 80% fat? View Quote |
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Because we're tired of paying for medical system foundering under the weight of millions of obese, diabetic patients following the misguided advice from the health and nutrition industries to reduce fat and increase carbs. The prevailing "wisdom" on health and nutrition is flat-out wrong. The guidelines were established not through science and understanding of nutritional needs, but of of political and academic infighting... and the wrong guys won. View Quote |
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So, back in the day when I was in my 20's. I was loading trucks at UPS, running 5k's, lifting weights, doing Martial arts 3 times a week. I hit Wendy's every day at lunch for a triple cheese, large fry and shake. Not counting breakfast and dinner which might be cheese dip with sausage. I could not gain weight. Then when I got out of school, quit UPS, started the desk job in a office. I gained 10lbs the first week. Now I am 64, I try to stay around 1200 cals per day, Vegan diet which to me means no animal products, works for me, might not work for anyone else. My best friend had triple by pass at 53, that got my attention. Forks over Knives on Net flix View Quote Vegan diet is not very healthy for working manual labor or athletic men long term. I can understand if it’s due to religious reasons, but there are much better alternatives if you’re concerned about being overweight, heart disease or stroke. |
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Usually its the other way around, ketobros piss on the ones who try to explain actual science to them. I could not care less if someone uses low carb as a tool for fat loss. Just don't preach to the world on how woke you are that "keto" can solve all of the world's problems. Theres a difference between a ketobro and a keto dieter. Oh, and whats up with your insulin comment? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
Quoted: Insulin doesn't care about feels. Nether does beta-hydroxybutyrate. Cortisol might, but tell that to the keto haters though..... Now we return to our scheduled let's piss on the low carb crowd gang bang. I could not care less if someone uses low carb as a tool for fat loss. Just don't preach to the world on how woke you are that "keto" can solve all of the world's problems. Theres a difference between a ketobro and a keto dieter. Oh, and whats up with your insulin comment? I think it's a bit fucking retarded that everyone's talking about fat loss and calories, but somehow insulin management is not part of the conversation. Not that you guys wanted meaningful conversation. Sorry, I went full keto bro again, just lift more, you'll be fine right? |
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Quoted: Just pointing out the fact about how you all like to dogpile on the low-carb crowd and somehow claim that we have an emotional argument. I am pointing out the fact that insulin does not care about your feelings or emotions. View Quote I may be in total agreement with what you think about insulin but you aren’t accomplishing anything by repeating this sarcastic statement over and over. Actually articulate your argument. |
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5 guys will do that too.
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MFP, utilized properly, is a true game changer for fitness. It’s as useful gaining weight as losing it. That shit will keep you accountable and lead to results, whatever goals may be.
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This is somewhat true (for calories, not weight), but what’s more important is WHAT you eat. it’s almost impossible to gain weight by eating a high protein/low carb diet where most of your carbs come from fiberous vegetables. That’s indisputable, but the energy required to break down protein, fat & carbs isn’t equal & neither is the energy output in different humans. The human body doesn’t light a hamburger on fire to fuel a boiler in your stomach, which is how calories are measured in various foods. The basic rule of calories in calories out & “a calorie is a calorie” can only be applied as a general principal to younger healthy humans who aren’t overweight. Which for most people looking to lose weight in America isn’t the case. It’s about as useful as BMI, the reality is more complex & only applies to certain groups. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Because people eat too much. Nobody is skirting the laws of thermodynamics. Nobody. That’s indisputable, but the energy required to break down protein, fat & carbs isn’t equal & neither is the energy output in different humans. The human body doesn’t light a hamburger on fire to fuel a boiler in your stomach, which is how calories are measured in various foods. The basic rule of calories in calories out & “a calorie is a calorie” can only be applied as a general principal to younger healthy humans who aren’t overweight. Which for most people looking to lose weight in America isn’t the case. It’s about as useful as BMI, the reality is more complex & only applies to certain groups. |
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Ok, what does this statement mean? I may be in total agreement with what you think about insulin but you aren't accomplishing anything by repeating this sarcastic statement over and over. Actually articulate your argument. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
Quoted: Just pointing out the fact about how you all like to dogpile on the low-carb crowd and somehow claim that we have an emotional argument. I am pointing out the fact that insulin does not care about your feelings or emotions. I may be in total agreement with what you think about insulin but you aren't accomplishing anything by repeating this sarcastic statement over and over. Actually articulate your argument. What makes you think anyone should waste time on you with sound arguments when you've already admitted you're just trolling? |
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Says the guy who came into the thread seinging his football bat for the rafters with "carbs are the debil" and "I like trolling Broscience.". What makes you think anyone should waste time on you with sound arguments when you've already admitted you're just trolling? View Quote Sorry that I asked. |
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lol you can't either huh. Sorry that I asked. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Says the guy who came into the thread seinging his football bat for the rafters with "carbs are the debil" and "I like trolling Broscience.". What makes you think anyone should waste time on you with sound arguments when you've already admitted you're just trolling? Sorry that I asked. I know a fair bit about how insulin functions, which you should too for as much as you talk about carbs, considering it's the number one hormone that deals with them. It's part of why people try to push for people to eat low glycemic index foods, and maintain low glycemic loads even if they don't have issues as a way to prevent health issues later . |
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Sorry you thought your edginess was cool? View Quote I'm still waiting for some valid arguments, rather than obfuscating and dancing around actually providing any evidence of something with substance rather than sarcastic and cryptic one liners. |
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Edginess against broscience? That happened like 5 pages ago. I'm still waiting for some valid arguments, rather than obfuscating and dancing around actually providing any evidence of something with substance rather than sarcastic and cryptic one liners. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Sorry you thought your edginess was cool? I'm still waiting for some valid arguments, rather than obfuscating and dancing around actually providing any evidence of something with substance rather than sarcastic and cryptic one liners. https://scholar.google.com/ <---- knock yourself out. |
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I ended up with over 1400 cal for the day. I’m debating whether not to take the dog for a walk before bed.
Tomorrow is the kiddo’s birthday party. I’m ordering a few pizzas. There should be a few people here. I’ve decided I’m going to make some bacon wrapped asparagus in the oven and grill some ribeyes (medium rare, of course). I’ll probably grab a veggie tray and some cheese. Having choices is nice, and I need an alternative. I’m eating some birthday cake, though. About to make some homemade cream cheese icing. |
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You can do it OP.
I lost 70 lbs in a year, down from 205 to 135. I was eating 1200-1500 calories a day and lost 50 lbs before I changed anything with my exercise. Since losing the weight I've started running and lifting. I've put on nearly 20 lbs of muscle and I'm running 25-30 miles a week. I can run a 5k in 22 minutes and 5 miles in 36 minutes. Now at 40, I'm 5-9", 155 and 10% body fat. I'm in better shape than 95% of guys my age and I can hang with most half my age. |
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I’d like to start a boot camp fat loss program for rich slobs who can’t do it for themselves. I’d have them working 16 hour days, building a railway through the jungle. Maybe some kind of bridge over a river...
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Wow today.
I’ve eaten 10 bacon wrapped asparagus spears, about 8 ounces of ribeye (maybe a little more), and some cheese. I broke and had one cupcake. Sitting around 1200 calories so far. No ragrets. Cupcake wrecked the carb macro, but fat is still in the lead with 108 grams, protein at 69 grams. I’m thinking a green salad with grilled chicken tonight. Will definitely do a long walk with the dog tonight, and a 3 mile jog in the morning. |
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I work construction outside in the Florida heat and somehow have no problem eating 1000 to 1200 calories a day. Wife yells at me but weird thing is I eat when I'm hungry. I'm never starving and I eat lots of stuff I love.
Mainly turkey chili which you guys would think is blasphemy. |
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60, 5'7". 194 lbs, low sugar
2 years ago, I was 259.8 lbs at the doctors office, an 8.7 A1C, and about to go on insulin. I work harder than an ugly stripper humping lumber that 20 yo's can't keep up with. I haven't been this light since the roaring 80's of Booger Sugar and Hockey, when I was 165 lbs. A good low carb diet helps a lot, but I eat what I want again now. No beer though.. |
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Wow today. I've eaten 10 bacon wrapped asparagus spears, about 8 ounces of ribeye (maybe a little more), and some cheese. I broke and had one cupcake. Sitting around 1200 calories so far. No ragrets. Cupcake wrecked the carb macro, but fat is still in the lead with 108 grams, protein at 69 grams. I'm thinking a green salad with grilled chicken tonight. Will definitely do a long walk with the dog tonight, and a 3 mile jog in the morning. View Quote |
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Thought you said you weren't doing keto on page one? If one cupcake wrecks your carb goals, that's well in the range of doing keto. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Wow today. I've eaten 10 bacon wrapped asparagus spears, about 8 ounces of ribeye (maybe a little more), and some cheese. I broke and had one cupcake. Sitting around 1200 calories so far. No ragrets. Cupcake wrecked the carb macro, but fat is still in the lead with 108 grams, protein at 69 grams. I'm thinking a green salad with grilled chicken tonight. Will definitely do a long walk with the dog tonight, and a 3 mile jog in the morning. But don’t most that follow intentionally ketogenic diets allow for like 20g carbs/day or something like that? |
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Thought you said you weren't doing keto on page one? If one cupcake wrecks your carb goals, that's well in the range of doing keto. View Quote I’m not afraid of days with little to no carbs, and I’m also not going to recoil in fear at the sight of sandwich. Better eating decisions combined with regular exercise is the path I’m on now. |
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Quoted: I incidentally do a ketogenic diet when I cut, but it’s not by design, so I don’t pretend to be initiated in the cult of keto. But don’t most that follow intentionally ketogenic diets allow for like 20g carbs/day or something like that? View Quote |
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Quoted: @FP2000H Keep at it, you will adjust. You will get results. 337lbs https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/141911/1239A4C1-5948-48D2-9FB6-A33D0A48CDA4_jpeg-1020482.JPG 195lbshttps://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/141911/72BC97E1-22D5-4E08-B537-CBCDC812A6A0_jpeg-1020484.JPG Am currently about 220 but dropping it quickly. Had to look at pics from the 300s to get motivated. View Quote I just wanted to say that your post is incredibly inspirational. Congrats on your success. I’m sure you feel tons better (no pun intended). My dad is a type 2 diabetic. This weekend I observed him eat an uncooked weenie in a piece of bread for breakfast and then he ate the exact same thing a few hours later. When I asked him about it his reply was that he was hungry and didn’t want to let his blood sugar get too low. I don’t think he knows what he is talking about. At 84, his thinking is starting to get a little fuzzy and he is a solid creature of habit now, heavily dependent on my mom and her diet sucks, too. I don’t want to end up like that. At 41, this may be my last chance to make a lasting change. |
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Lol. Well, I wrecked my carb macros with a slice of pizza and a second cupcake in the afternoon, and I'm still down half a lb. Maybe those keto guys are on to something. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/87517/ECD6399A-25E3-4D22-A392-ADD60287013E-1024479.png Kickstarted my day with a 2 mile jog followed by a 2 mile walk with the dog. I've burned almost half of my caloric intake for the day. Of course, myfitnesspal ads those calories burned to your total allotment so I can technically eat them if I wanted to, but I won't. I am officially down 6 lbs. since last Sunday. View Quote (The science behind ketosis is pretty well understood, which is why it's funny when people shit on it since it's a inescapable, scientifically well understood , metabolic process) |
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You mean metabolic scientists? (The science behind ketosis is pretty well understood, which is why it's funny when people shit on it since it's a inescapable, scientifically well understood , metabolic process) View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Lol. Well, I wrecked my carb macros with a slice of pizza and a second cupcake in the afternoon, and I'm still down half a lb. Maybe those keto guys are on to something. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/87517/ECD6399A-25E3-4D22-A392-ADD60287013E-1024479.png Kickstarted my day with a 2 mile jog followed by a 2 mile walk with the dog. I've burned almost half of my caloric intake for the day. Of course, myfitnesspal ads those calories burned to your total allotment so I can technically eat them if I wanted to, but I won't. I am officially down 6 lbs. since last Sunday. (The science behind ketosis is pretty well understood, which is why it's funny when people shit on it since it's a inescapable, scientifically well understood , metabolic process) |
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When the keto bros start claiming you can eat unlimited calories and still lose weight is why people "shit on it" View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Lol. Well, I wrecked my carb macros with a slice of pizza and a second cupcake in the afternoon, and I'm still down half a lb. Maybe those keto guys are on to something. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/87517/ECD6399A-25E3-4D22-A392-ADD60287013E-1024479.png Kickstarted my day with a 2 mile jog followed by a 2 mile walk with the dog. I've burned almost half of my caloric intake for the day. Of course, myfitnesspal ads those calories burned to your total allotment so I can technically eat them if I wanted to, but I won't. I am officially down 6 lbs. since last Sunday. (The science behind ketosis is pretty well understood, which is why it's funny when people shit on it since it's a inescapable, scientifically well understood , metabolic process) |
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When the keto bros start claiming you can eat unlimited calories and still lose weight is why people “shit on it” View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Lol. Well, I wrecked my carb macros with a slice of pizza and a second cupcake in the afternoon, and I'm still down half a lb. Maybe those keto guys are on to something. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/87517/ECD6399A-25E3-4D22-A392-ADD60287013E-1024479.png Kickstarted my day with a 2 mile jog followed by a 2 mile walk with the dog. I've burned almost half of my caloric intake for the day. Of course, myfitnesspal ads those calories burned to your total allotment so I can technically eat them if I wanted to, but I won't. I am officially down 6 lbs. since last Sunday. (The science behind ketosis is pretty well understood, which is why it's funny when people shit on it since it's a inescapable, scientifically well understood , metabolic process) |
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