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Posted: 1/11/2016 11:46:24 PM EDT
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I love the Raptors, but don't love the 3.5EB. Pass. Initially I felt the same way. I loved the old 6.2 V8 and felt the power was appropriate for the outgoing Raptor. However, in an interview today, the lead Ford Raptor design engineer says the all new new high output Ecoboost engine "blows away" the 6.2 V8 in horsepower and torque throughout all RPM's. He claims the new HO Ecoboost blows away the outgoing V8 and is vastly superior in every way. I'm cautiously optimistic. The drivetrain sounds incredible. Ford engineer talks about the engine at about 1:20:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eG6nhuxv078
People bitched about electronic fuel injection when it started replacing the good ol' carburetor............... Fuel injection systems sucked ass in the 80's to early 90's. My '85 Toyota 4wd with a 22R-E disagrees. It's archaic by today's standards but it did very well when it was new. The craptastic electronic carbs GM tried to peddle were a different story. |
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Posted: 1/11/2016 11:47:48 PM EDT
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Incorrect. A powerwagon takes that honor. Locking diffs, sway bar disconnects, and 4.56 gears.....and a winch for when ya cant back out. Your raptor is a 4wd pre-runner. Not a rig capable of complex terrain. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Meh, it's like a spray tan on a pale jersy shore kid,overdone,gaudy show boat No, it's not. The Raptor is the most off-road capable factory pickup you can buy. It's not just for show. Sure, there will be city folk who buy them and never leave the pavement. That doesn't change the fact that it's a good truck for off-roading. Incorrect. A powerwagon takes that honor. Locking diffs, sway bar disconnects, and 4.56 gears.....and a winch for when ya cant back out. Your raptor is a 4wd pre-runner. Not a rig capable of complex terrain. Raptor and Power Wagon are answers to two different problem statements. |
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Posted: 1/11/2016 11:48:43 PM EDT
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Haha the Cummins is a "6 banger" too. Don't see too many people in their right mind bashing that motor, regardless of what platform it is put in.... Stock its 800+ foot pounds of torque in the ram and mods can easily put it in the 1k+ hp range.... Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Truck looks sweet but fuck having an ecoboost This. I expect a 6 banger in a Tacoma not a raptor. Haha the Cummins is a "6 banger" too. Don't see too many people in their right mind bashing that motor, regardless of what platform it is put in.... Stock its 800+ foot pounds of torque in the ram and mods can easily put it in the 1k+ hp range.... Its also a diesel. Gas engines and diesel engines are not the same thing. |
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Posted: 1/11/2016 11:49:06 PM EDT
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lol well it sure is a fancy looking gelding then. No V8 = not a real (full sized) truck. IMO. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Last I heard, there was no V8 option for the Raptor. V6 EB and a 10-spd automatic lol well it sure is a fancy looking gelding then. No V8 = not a real (full sized) truck. IMO. Fucking lol. You guys sound like my dad. He was asking me about the new F150 and I recommended he look at the 3.5 EB. He wouldn't even test drive one because he didn't want a V6 in his truck. Never mind the fact it makes the same HP, and more torque over a wider RPM range. I'm a Mustang guy and absolutely love my V8s, but the new EB is excellent for the F150. My gf has one in her 2015 Explorer. It moves pretty good with the AWD. |
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Posted: 1/11/2016 11:50:04 PM EDT
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I want an EcoBoost version of the 5.0 V-8. I'm thinkin a DOHC, hemi headed, 2 plug twin turbocharged all aluminum 460 would be just grand. 
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Posted: 1/11/2016 11:50:38 PM EDT
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lol well it sure is a fancy looking gelding then. No V8 = not a real (full sized) truck. IMO. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Last I heard, there was no V8 option for the Raptor. V6 EB and a 10-spd automatic lol well it sure is a fancy looking gelding then. No V8 = not a real (full sized) truck. IMO. A truck didn't have a V8 in the past for the sake of having a V8. It was required to get to the power levels the factory deemed necessary in a reliable manner. Now we have reliable turbo 6 bangers, though I think all RWD mounted 6 cylinders should be inline. 
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Posted: 1/11/2016 11:53:44 PM EDT
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Definitely going to be a fun truck to drive on the boost.
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Posted: 1/11/2016 11:57:07 PM EDT
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A truck didn't have a V8 in the past for the sake of having a V8. It was required to get to the power levels the factory deemed necessary in a reliable manner. Now we have reliable turbo 6 bangers, though I think all RWD mounted 6 cylinders should be inline. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Last I heard, there was no V8 option for the Raptor. V6 EB and a 10-spd automatic lol well it sure is a fancy looking gelding then. No V8 = not a real (full sized) truck. IMO. A truck didn't have a V8 in the past for the sake of having a V8. It was required to get to the power levels the factory deemed necessary in a reliable manner. Now we have reliable turbo 6 bangers, though I think all RWD mounted 6 cylinders should be inline. Its the dual turbo thing that scares me the most. Thats fine if it can make all sorts of torque and shit, what happens when those turbos decide to go bang? $3000+ in repairs? The 351 in my Bronco runs nearly effortlessly at highway speeds, on the trail, and in the mud without the need for forced air induction. Sure its old tech, but imagine what they could do to that engine now to boost its performance without turbos. |
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Posted: 1/11/2016 11:58:22 PM EDT
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Are these trucks really any better than buying a basic F150 and having the suspension, bumpers and differentials overhauled?
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Posted: 1/12/2016 12:01:59 AM EDT
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Yes cause you wont get this new motor, it's a whole different animal from the current 3.5EB, not just hopped up.
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Posted: 1/12/2016 12:16:47 AM EDT
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Up until this year supposedly raptor has been fomoco's most profitable vehicle, looks like nissan wants in on the action..........
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Posted: 1/12/2016 12:25:20 AM EDT
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Its the dual turbo thing that scares me the most. Thats fine if it can make all sorts of torque and shit, what happens when those turbos decide to go bang? $3000+ in repairs? The 351 in my Bronco runs nearly effortlessly at highway speeds, on the trail, and in the mud without the need for forced air induction. Sure its old tech, but imagine what they could do to that engine now to boost its performance without turbos. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Last I heard, there was no V8 option for the Raptor. V6 EB and a 10-spd automatic lol well it sure is a fancy looking gelding then. No V8 = not a real (full sized) truck. IMO. A truck didn't have a V8 in the past for the sake of having a V8. It was required to get to the power levels the factory deemed necessary in a reliable manner. Now we have reliable turbo 6 bangers, though I think all RWD mounted 6 cylinders should be inline. Its the dual turbo thing that scares me the most. Thats fine if it can make all sorts of torque and shit, what happens when those turbos decide to go bang? $3000+ in repairs? The 351 in my Bronco runs nearly effortlessly at highway speeds, on the trail, and in the mud without the need for forced air induction. Sure its old tech, but imagine what they could do to that engine now to boost its performance without turbos. What if? What if your 351 blew, what if your tranny went? Your 351 would only be in name if they "took your engine and boosted it without turbos" cause it wouldn't resemble your current 351 at all. |
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Posted: 1/12/2016 12:26:33 AM EDT
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Are these trucks really any better than buying a basic F150 and having the suspension, bumpers and differentials overhauled? No. But in that regard, Raptors have probably been cheaper or at worst the same price comapred to doing all that. Factor in the factory warranty and the insanely high resale value of the Raptor and it makes a lot more sense to just buy a Raptor as opposed to buying a new F150 and modd'ing the heck out of it to make it as capable as a Raptor for high speed off road use. There's no cheap way to make a regular F150 7" wider, replace both the f/r diff, add 50-100 HP, add 35" BFG KO2 tires, lift 3", and add premium Fox coil-overs and triple bypass shocks. |
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Posted: 1/12/2016 12:29:28 AM EDT
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Up until this year supposedly raptor has been fomoco's most profitable vehicle, looks like nissan wants in on the action.......... http://blog.caranddriver.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/Nissan-Titan-Warrior-concept-show-floor-101-876x535.jpg A Ford guy told me Ford actually lost money on Raptors in the past. I don't know if it's true, but Raptors use way more expensive components than other F150's and sell for less than some Platinums and Lariats. Nissan will never actually produce that truck. Kudo's to Ford for bringing the Raptor to market. |
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Posted: 1/12/2016 12:33:18 AM EDT
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Ignorance. Yes their is.
Sad how unreceptive people are. Innovation is responsible for everything we have today. Go back to your tried and true horse + carriage |
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Posted: 1/12/2016 12:34:32 AM EDT
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Posted: 1/12/2016 12:38:50 AM EDT
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Posted: 1/12/2016 1:26:17 AM EDT
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Are these trucks really any better than buying a basic F150 and having the suspension, bumpers and differentials overhauled? You've never priced pre-runner suspension systems have you? Add in 4wd and it's even worse. The Raptor is a cost effective vehicle but it's not a full blown pre-runner - one of those with comparable amenities will set you back $100G. Without a warranty. |
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Posted: 1/12/2016 1:26:31 AM EDT
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Thanks to the EPA for this !! The Mustang V-8 is next going away sadly . The government is going to force you to buy what they want you to have like it or not Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Last I heard, there was no V8 option for the Raptor. V6 EB and a 10-spd automatic Thanks to the EPA for this !! The Mustang V-8 is next going away sadly . The government is going to force you to buy what they want you to have like it or not I honestly don't care if a vehicle is v6 or v8 If the new v6 makes more power, weighs less, gets better mpg and lasts longer why would it matter? What I do wish they would still make is a jeep with a 4 cylinder diesel |
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Posted: 1/12/2016 2:17:45 AM EDT
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I insist on a few things...call me a dinosaur. A V8 in a gasser pick up is one of those things. Pass on any gasser truck I can't get in V8. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Last I heard, there was no V8 option for the Raptor. V6 EB and a 10-spd automatic I insist on a few things...call me a dinosaur. A V8 in a gasser pick up is one of those things. Pass on any gasser truck I can't get in V8. I agree. I wouldn't own a Raptor unless there was a supercharged 6.2L under the hood....especially for the price they are asking for them 
The automakers have already forced me to buy used for the rest of my life, since there is no manual transmission option any more (Ford & Dodge), unless you go with the EPA-fucked Cummins |
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Posted: 1/12/2016 2:24:59 AM EDT
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What if? What if your 351 blew, what if your tranny went? Your 351 would only be in name if they "took your engine and boosted it without turbos" cause it wouldn't resemble your current 351 at all. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Last I heard, there was no V8 option for the Raptor. V6 EB and a 10-spd automatic lol well it sure is a fancy looking gelding then. No V8 = not a real (full sized) truck. IMO. A truck didn't have a V8 in the past for the sake of having a V8. It was required to get to the power levels the factory deemed necessary in a reliable manner. Now we have reliable turbo 6 bangers, though I think all RWD mounted 6 cylinders should be inline. Its the dual turbo thing that scares me the most. Thats fine if it can make all sorts of torque and shit, what happens when those turbos decide to go bang? $3000+ in repairs? The 351 in my Bronco runs nearly effortlessly at highway speeds, on the trail, and in the mud without the need for forced air induction. Sure its old tech, but imagine what they could do to that engine now to boost its performance without turbos. What if? What if your 351 blew, what if your tranny went? Your 351 would only be in name if they "took your engine and boosted it without turbos" cause it wouldn't resemble your current 351 at all. If his 351W blew up, he could buy a used one from the junkyard for $300, take it to a local machine shop, and have them build a 500HP monster for $2500 
And they usually offer a 3yr/36k warranty on their work too. I had a 466ci BBF build a few years ago for $3k. Never put it on a dyno...but it roasted the clutch in the last truck it was in. |
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Posted: 1/12/2016 2:33:14 AM EDT
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Those who rip the 3.5 EB simply have no clue what they are talking about. Go drive one, it's a fantastic motor.
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Posted: 1/12/2016 2:33:52 AM EDT
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A Ford guy told me Ford actually lost money on Raptors in the past. I don't know if it's true, but Raptors use way more expensive components than other F150's and sell for less than some Platinums and Lariats. Nissan will never actually produce that truck. Kudo's to Ford for bringing the Raptor to market. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Up until this year supposedly raptor has been fomoco's most profitable vehicle, looks like nissan wants in on the action.......... http://blog.caranddriver.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/Nissan-Titan-Warrior-concept-show-floor-101-876x535.jpg A Ford guy told me Ford actually lost money on Raptors in the past. I don't know if it's true, but Raptors use way more expensive components than other F150's and sell for less than some Platinums and Lariats. Nissan will never actually produce that truck. Kudo's to Ford for bringing the Raptor to market. Awww.....YOU KILLJOY ! |
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Posted: 1/12/2016 2:35:13 AM EDT
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Supercharged V8>V8>Turbocharged V6
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Posted: 1/12/2016 10:36:46 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryIf his 351W blew up, he could buy a used one from the junkyard for $300, take it to a local machine shop, and have them build a 500HP monster for $2500
And they usually offer a 3yr/36k warranty on their work too. I had a 466ci BBF build a few years ago for $3k. Never put it on a dyno...but it roasted the clutch in the last truck it was in. Those old engines probably dont put out as much power to the wheels as you think. Nor is your pricing sound right, its expensive to run an engine through machine shop. Gas mileage will still be horrible. Not really a setup you could just throw your family in and drive a cross country if you felt so inclined. How did we go from maybe replacing turbos to you quoting how much your buddies machine shop would charge to work over an engine? |
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Posted: 1/12/2016 10:40:32 AM EDT
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Those who rip the 3.5 EB simply have no clue what they are talking about. Go drive one, it's a fantastic motor. Nothing that would make me choose it over a v8. Drove both. |
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Posted: 1/12/2016 10:45:12 AM EDT
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My F150 has the 5.0 V8 and I wouldn't trade it for anything. That said, I LOVE turbocharged cars and the power band. I would be open to a high output turbo engine in a truck if they do it right, and it looks like they have.
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Posted: 1/12/2016 11:09:30 AM EDT
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I have no problem with having a 3.5EB in the Raptor, the standard 3.5EB is a heck of a motor and I'm sure the H.O. version will be awesome. My only concern is the active terrain management and if it will take too much of the drivers input away in regards to transfer case position. I thought I saw a glimpse of the selector know and it had the AWD, 2wd, 4hi, 4lo set up but will the computer still intervene in 4hi or lo?
Also, to the guys wanting a 5.0EB. That might be coming sooner than you think. Over on one of the ford truck forums there were a couple of guys from Windsor, ON that work at the ESSEX engine plant and they confirmed that there is a prototype 5.0EB already built and it is scheduled to go into production sometime after the '17 model year. All they would say is the engine is rated for up to 700hp and has some new way to make the cylinder walls that is more durable and gives a longer life than the sleeves that Ford currently uses. time will tell though. I know one thing though, heads will explode if Ford ditches the 6.2 and a EB is the only gas engine available in the Super Duty. |
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Posted: 1/12/2016 11:13:59 AM EDT
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Last I heard, there was no V8 option for the Raptor. V6 EB and a 10-spd automatic LOL Holy shit. LOL I drive an F-150, but holy shit, they are just embracing the bro-dozer label full retard and not even trying anymore. |
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Posted: 1/12/2016 11:17:24 AM EDT
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I have no problem with having a 3.5EB in the Raptor, the standard 3.5EB is a heck of a motor and I'm sure the H.O. version will be awesome. My only concern is the active terrain management and if it will take too much of the drivers input away in regards to transfer case position. I thought I saw a glimpse of the selector know and it had the AWD, 2wd, 4hi, 4lo set up but will the computer still intervene in 4hi or lo? Also, to the guys wanting a 5.0EB. That might be coming sooner than you think. Over on one of the ford truck forums there were a couple of guys from Windsor, ON that work at the ESSEX engine plant and they confirmed that there is a prototype 5.0EB already built and it is scheduled to go into production sometime after the '17 model year. All they would say is the engine is rated for up to 700hp and has some new way to make the cylinder walls that is more durable and gives a longer life than the sleeves that Ford currently uses. time will tell though. I know one thing though, heads will explode if Ford ditches the 6.2 and a EB is the only gas engine available in the Super Duty. But wait, I keep hearing that the EB stuff Ford has been doing is stupid and a waste of time. Are you telling me that technology that they've developed and sold in 4 and 6 cylinder applications might apply to 8 cylinder engines too and at some point provide amazing performance while meeting stricter efficiency rules? Mind blown. |
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Posted: 1/12/2016 11:38:24 AM EDT
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Are these trucks really any better than buying a basic F150 and having the suspension, bumpers and differentials overhauled? Short answer = yes. The electronics alone which are integrated into the Raptor would be hard to replicate aftermarket & keep it at or below the same price point of a Raptor after you finished with all the other mods to get it close (suspension, diffs, etc.). It really is an amazingly capable off road vehicle & it brings a huge grin to my face every time I take it off road.
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Posted: 1/12/2016 12:09:52 PM EDT
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Why is that? Stock for stock, they outrun a diesel. I was skeptical too but after driving a few and buying one I'm impressed. I still have my Cummins for real work but for a run-around/play/weekend truck they are pretty badass. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Truck looks sweet but fuck having an ecoboost Why is that? Stock for stock, they outrun a diesel. I was skeptical too but after driving a few and buying one I'm impressed. I still have my Cummins for real work but for a run-around/play/weekend truck they are pretty badass. Exactly they are a toy. Not a replacement for a real work/pulling truck. |
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Posted: 1/12/2016 12:13:03 PM EDT
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Best truck money can buy IMO.
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Posted: 1/12/2016 12:17:35 PM EDT
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Got to see the truck tested this year at Silver Lake MI.
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Posted: 1/12/2016 12:20:16 PM EDT
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I love the Raptors, but don't love the 3.5EB. Pass. This is one issue with ford I have. they leave too much of the testing to customers like the 6.0 powerjoke or the 3 valve truck motors that were junk as well now we have a new ecoboost, I wonder why!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1 |
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Posted: 1/12/2016 12:21:39 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Are these trucks really any better than buying a basic F150 and having the suspension, bumpers and differentials overhauled? Yes. Previous job had a couple for patrol work. They still broke, but nowhere near as much as the Tahoes/Superduties etc that were also in the fleet. |
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Posted: 1/12/2016 12:24:55 PM EDT
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I insist on a few things...call me a dinosaur. A V8 in a gasser pick up is one of those things. Pass on any gasser truck I can't get in V8. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Last I heard, there was no V8 option for the Raptor. V6 EB and a 10-spd automatic I insist on a few things...call me a dinosaur. A V8 in a gasser pick up is one of those things. Pass on any gasser truck I can't get in V8. Same |
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Posted: 1/12/2016 12:25:25 PM EDT
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Haha the Cummins is a "6 banger" too. Don't see too many people in their right mind bashing that motor, regardless of what platform it is put in.... Stock its 800+ foot pounds of torque in the ram and mods can easily put it in the 1k+ hp range.... Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Truck looks sweet but fuck having an ecoboost This. I expect a 6 banger in a Tacoma not a raptor. Haha the Cummins is a "6 banger" too. Don't see too many people in their right mind bashing that motor, regardless of what platform it is put in.... Stock its 800+ foot pounds of torque in the ram and mods can easily put it in the 1k+ hp range.... Show me an eco boost rotating assembly next to the cummins. That is not apples to oranges its lemons to watermelons. |
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Posted: 1/12/2016 12:27:24 PM EDT
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LOL Holy shit. LOL I drive an F-150, but holy shit, they are just embracing the bro-dozer label full retard and not even trying anymore. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Last I heard, there was no V8 option for the Raptor. V6 EB and a 10-spd automatic LOL Holy shit. LOL I drive an F-150, but holy shit, they are just embracing the bro-dozer label full retard and not even trying anymore. Raptor actually has performance capability - "Brodozers" not so much. You may not like the way it looks but you can't discount it's capability. |
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Posted: 1/12/2016 12:29:52 PM EDT
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Exactly they are a toy. Not a replacement for a real work/pulling truck. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Truck looks sweet but fuck having an ecoboost Why is that? Stock for stock, they outrun a diesel. I was skeptical too but after driving a few and buying one I'm impressed. I still have my Cummins for real work but for a run-around/play/weekend truck they are pretty badass. Exactly they are a toy. Not a replacement for a real work/pulling truck. You're right - a Raptor is not a 3/4 or 1 ton "real" work/pulling truck. But what 1/2 ton P/U do you consider to be a "real" work/pulling truck? My '00 2500 4wd CTD probably qualifies as a "real" work/pulling truck but it absolutely sucks on the dirt roads in Baja when I'm chasing at the Baja 1000. |
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Posted: 1/12/2016 12:36:51 PM EDT
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Show me an eco boost rotating assembly next to the cummins. That is not apples to oranges its lemons to watermelons. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Truck looks sweet but fuck having an ecoboost This. I expect a 6 banger in a Tacoma not a raptor. Haha the Cummins is a "6 banger" too. Don't see too many people in their right mind bashing that motor, regardless of what platform it is put in.... Stock its 800+ foot pounds of torque in the ram and mods can easily put it in the 1k+ hp range.... Show me an eco boost rotating assembly next to the cummins. That is not apples to oranges its lemons to watermelons. 3.5 EB engines are used in vehicles rated for how much trailer weight - 8-10K lbs? New 6.7L Cummins is rated upwards of ~32K lbs. Comparing rotating assemblies sounds likes something from Joe Dirt................. The Cummins engine in my '00 Dodge can go 1M miles - the chassis it's in not so much. And that's not a dig at Dodge - none of the manufacturers are designing light duty vehicles to go 1M miles. And frankly I don't want to keep a vehicle that long - I'm not a commercial operator racking up 100K miles/year. |
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Posted: 1/12/2016 12:37:35 PM EDT
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Why is that? Stock for stock, they outrun a diesel. I was skeptical too but after driving a few and buying one I'm impressed. I still have my Cummins for real work but for a run-around/play/weekend truck they are pretty badass. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Truck looks sweet but fuck having an ecoboost Why is that? Stock for stock, they outrun a diesel. I was skeptical too but after driving a few and buying one I'm impressed. I still have my Cummins for real work but for a run-around/play/weekend truck they are pretty badass. No track record of where they'll be in 10+ years is part of the problem, especially when most such engines normally are marketed to the buy new every two crowd. |
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Posted: 1/12/2016 12:38:01 PM EDT
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You're right - a Raptor is not a 3/4 or 1 ton "real" work/pulling truck. But what 1/2 ton P/U do you consider to be a "real" work/pulling truck? My '00 2500 4wd CTD probably qualifies as a "real" work/pulling truck but it absolutely sucks on the dirt roads in Baja when I'm chasing at the Baja 1000. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Truck looks sweet but fuck having an ecoboost Why is that? Stock for stock, they outrun a diesel. I was skeptical too but after driving a few and buying one I'm impressed. I still have my Cummins for real work but for a run-around/play/weekend truck they are pretty badass. Exactly they are a toy. Not a replacement for a real work/pulling truck. You're right - a Raptor is not a 3/4 or 1 ton "real" work/pulling truck. But what 1/2 ton P/U do you consider to be a "real" work/pulling truck? My '00 2500 4wd CTD probably qualifies as a "real" work/pulling truck but it absolutely sucks on the dirt roads in Baja when I'm chasing at the Baja 1000. Oh I agree they are a cool toy and I cant wait for the issues to all get worked out down the road but I still think of them like the 4 door jeeps. |
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Posted: 1/12/2016 12:39:54 PM EDT
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Truck looks sweet but fuck having an ecoboost This. I expect a 6 banger in a Tacoma not a raptor. Haha the Cummins is a "6 banger" too. Don't see too many people in their right mind bashing that motor, regardless of what platform it is put in.... Stock its 800+ foot pounds of torque in the ram and mods can easily put it in the 1k+ hp range.... Show me an eco boost rotating assembly next to the cummins. That is not apples to oranges its lemons to watermelons. 3.5 EB engines are used in vehicles rated for how much trailer weight - 8-10K lbs? New 6.7L Cummins is rated upwards of ~32K lbs. Comparing rotating assemblies sounds likes something from Joe Dirt................. The Cummins engine in my '00 Dodge can go 1M miles - the chassis it's in not so much. And that's not a dig at Dodge - none of the manufacturers are designing light duty vehicles to go 1M miles. And frankly I don't want to keep a vehicle that long - I'm not a commercial operator racking up 100K miles/year. Your making the same point I was. |
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Why is that? Stock for stock, they outrun a diesel. I was skeptical too but after driving a few and buying one I'm impressed. I still have my Cummins for real work but for a run-around/play/weekend truck they are pretty badass. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Truck looks sweet but fuck having an ecoboost Why is that? Stock for stock, they outrun a diesel. I was skeptical too but after driving a few and buying one I'm impressed. I still have my Cummins for real work but for a run-around/play/weekend truck they are pretty badass. No a 6.2 Raptor will not out run the new 6.7 Powerstrokes. I have a 15 PSD with 860 torque and a 13 Raptor with the 6.2 V8 with 434 torque and my 6.7 will out run it light to light all day long. The new diesels ar super quick. I can't speak for the new Cummins or Duramax. And when the dust settles I hook up my 19k pound camp trailer and get 11 miles to the gallon while pulling it. |
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This is one issue with ford I have. they leave too much of the testing to customers like the 6.0 powerjoke or the 3 valve truck motors that were junk as well now we have a new ecoboost, I wonder why!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1 Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I love the Raptors, but don't love the 3.5EB. Pass. This is one issue with ford I have. they leave too much of the testing to customers like the 6.0 powerjoke or the 3 valve truck motors that were junk as well now we have a new ecoboost, I wonder why!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1 Because the current 3.5 EB Is almost 11 years old???? |
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Posted: 1/12/2016 12:43:28 PM EDT
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I have a 2013 Raptor, but I find that Nissan a tad sexy
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The 3.5L V6 would be the deal killer for me.
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Truck looks sweet but fuck having an ecoboost Why is that? Stock for stock, they outrun a diesel. I was skeptical too but after driving a few and buying one I'm impressed. I still have my Cummins for real work but for a run-around/play/weekend truck they are pretty badass. No track record of where they'll be in 10+ years is part of the problem, especially when most such engines normally are marketed to the buy new every two crowd. They will be right here in 10 years... Like, on the lots, on the roads, and here already... It's been 10 years. 
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Does it come with a Yeti sticker?
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