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Posted: 9/27/2020 11:22:55 AM EDT
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Posted: 9/27/2020 11:23:58 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted:  I dont want an electric car because of range and recharge limitations, but these specs are far from gay.... Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: lol, gay I dont want an electric car because of range and recharge limitations, but these specs are far from gay.... Nobody here will use the full speed of the car so it doesn't matter. |
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Posted: 9/27/2020 11:25:23 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryMan if I had fuck you money, I would totally do that just to troll hippies. |
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Posted: 9/27/2020 11:25:29 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: How does a sedan seat up to 7? Same way you can get 520 miles in range. |
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Posted: 9/27/2020 11:27:05 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Some of the replies in this thread are painfully ignorant. If you don't understand EV tech, just read, don't comment. That's not the GD way. You have people with no experience commenting on every imaginable topic. It's why we all come here isn't it? It's great for a laugh. |
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Posted: 9/27/2020 11:29:02 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I was at Atco Dragway Friday night. The Tesla would destroy every street car there. There were a maybe a dozen sub 9 second race cars there. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I always love the retards who can't accept that this is the future of auto tech. "It no make vroom vroom sound, it no good, me no like" ETA: Have fun dealing with the anger when these gap you in the 1/4, they're only going to get better. I was at Atco Dragway Friday night. The Tesla would destroy every street car there. There were a maybe a dozen sub 9 second race cars there. I don't think most people realize how silly an ~8.8 second car vs a ~10s car like the 918 is going to look. Most of it's four-door contemporaries will be lucky to even get <11s. |
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Posted: 9/27/2020 11:29:56 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Wow. Impressive. It didn't catch on fire. It bottomed out twice at :09 at 1:09 and couldn't hold the road like a Porsche, but OK. I'll stick with Stuttgart. BTW 3 of the McLaren Senna hyper cars have burnt to the ground. |
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Posted: 9/27/2020 11:30:02 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Wouldn't even make it for 1 hour of track time. Maybe 1x 20min segment max before needing to recharge. And Tesla's well know for their brakes being smoking melted pieces of shit after an intense track session. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Except it can't, because batteries suck. One hour of track attack, three hours charging! Wouldn't even make it for 1 hour of track time. Maybe 1x 20min segment max before needing to recharge. And Tesla's well know for their brakes being smoking melted pieces of shit after an intense track session. Are ceramic rotors and Brembo calipers not available to the general public. The only thing holding it back after a brake upgrade would be some quick disconnect battery or a faster charging battery. |
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Posted: 9/27/2020 11:32:21 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I don't think most people realize how silly an ~8.8 second car vs a ~10s car like the 918 is going to look. Most of it's four-door contemporaries will be lucky to even get <11s. Jesus who gives a fuck. The 918 wasn't built to drag race...not sure how fucking hard it is for you to get that through your skull. And its awesome you love comparing a brand new tech car vs a Hyper Car built between 2013-2015....I'm pretty sure my GT3 can beat in lap times Hyper cars built 5-7 years before it at this point. |
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Posted: 9/27/2020 11:34:00 AM EDT
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I enjoy reading the goal post shifts
Now that the EV beats the ICE car, it's suddenly not as good because it can't beat the ICE car for *randomly-decided-amount-of-time. Were down to three-gun shotguns, reload racing. This is an expensive, but attainable family sedan that puts down super car numbers...and people respond "meh, can't put down super car numbers for 24 hours" SMH 87% chance I buy one of these someday, I'm never buying a 918 (would if I could, but why). |
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Posted: 9/27/2020 11:34:45 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If I remember correctly around 6 mpg or something like that. So fuck off. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Lol, let me know the last time you drove your car all out at a track for an hour straight. I’d love to hear what your MPG was. Your posts would fit well in a parody thread. If I remember correctly around 6 mpg or something like that. So fuck off. The Porsche 918 holds 17.7 gallons of gasoline. At 38Kwh per gallon that's 673KWh of thermal energy. Adjusted for 20% thermodynamic efficiency that drops to 135KWh of available work energy. The P100 Plaid has a ~160KWh battery pack with ~93% efficiency. Factor in that the Plaid will be able to recapture a much larger percentage of energy during regenerative braking (plus for plaid), and that the Plaid has more power (minus for plaid), and the gas tank of the 918 and the battery pack of the plaid will probably last a similar amount of time. |
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Posted: 9/27/2020 11:35:31 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Are ceramic rotors and Brembo calipers not available to the general public. The only thing holding it back after a brake upgrade would be some quick disconnect battery or a faster charging battery. I'm not sure how much Carbon's would do for it. Even stripped down I'm sure that car has a lot of weight in it, which is going to generate a lot of heat......And then we gotta get into the ABS management for the Tesla. I doubt thats even remotely as developed as a cars built from the ground up for the track. We get it, Tesla has produced a fast as hell car. Sweet props to them, but its a long long long long way from motorsports, and we all know the build quality from Tesla is dogshit. |
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Posted: 9/27/2020 11:36:08 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'll dispute electric is the future. Hydrogen powered is the real future. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Sigh..... It's a fucking 140k SEDAN. Not a gazillion dollar purpose built supercar. What's not to understand about this? Luddites everywhere these days....electric cars are the future whether you like it or not. I'll dispute electric is the future. Hydrogen powered is the real future. I doubt it. In 2004 they were talking about hydrogen when I was attending school at American Honda. Just like in 1999 when I was in Toyota school and 48 volt systems were the future. Turbos, Hybrids and Electrics are the future. |
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Posted: 9/27/2020 11:36:44 AM EDT
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At least when other companies make really fast vehicles, they also put on good brakes.
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Posted: 9/27/2020 11:36:49 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You're also the guy who likes Nickelback and thinks they're better than Tool... Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Indeed. And the whole Tesla brand/image/lifestyle is soy as fuck. You're also the guy who likes Nickelback and thinks they're better than Tool...  |
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Posted: 9/27/2020 11:37:11 AM EDT
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That is awesome. Now let's get our fucking power grid up to task.
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Posted: 9/27/2020 11:39:56 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Jesus who gives a fuck. The 918 wasn't built to drag race...not sure how fucking hard it is for you to get that through your skull. And its awesome you love comparing a brand new tech car vs a Hyper Car built between 2013-2015....I'm pretty sure my GT3 can beat in lap times Hyper cars built 5-7 years before it at this point. The 918 costs 10x what the Plaid does and was built to be a track machine from the bottom up. The Model S was built to be a daily driver, the fact that it can even hang with a track-designed hypercar is impressive. A GT3RS does 1:33.3 at Laguna Seca BTW, so 3 seconds slower. |
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Posted: 9/27/2020 11:40:40 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Nobody here will use the full speed of the car so it doesn't matter. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: lol, gay I dont want an electric car because of range and recharge limitations, but these specs are far from gay.... Nobody here will use the full speed of the car so it doesn't matter. Not true. We have plenty of members who take their cars to road courses and drag strips. |
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Posted: 9/27/2020 11:40:47 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It's already happened through decades of continuous improvement. We have a sedan that has 500 miles of range that also is faster at the drag strip than anything, while also capable of smoking exotics at the track. How is that anything other than an enormous disruptive force? Quote HistoryQuoted: It's already happened through decades of continuous improvement. We have a sedan that has 500 miles of range that also is faster at the drag strip than anything, while also capable of smoking exotics at the track. How is that anything other than an enormous disruptive force? Maybe ask the guy who stated it: Quoted: We are one breakthrough in battery tech away (either charging times or range) from vehicles like this being an enormous disruptive force. |
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Posted: 9/27/2020 11:41:05 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Every time I see a higher end Model S in person they are stunning. Beautiful cars The performance is... the looks are terrible. Now the Fisher Karma, that was a stunning EV. |
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Posted: 9/27/2020 11:41:22 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The Porsche 918 holds 17.7 gallons of gasoline. At 38Kwh that's 673KWh of thermal power. Adjusted for 20% thermodynamic efficiency and that drops to 135KWh of available work. The P100 Plaid has a ~160KWh battery pack with ~93% efficiency. Factor in that the Plaid will be able to recapture a much larger percentage of energy during regenerative braking (plus for plaid), and that the Plaid has more power (minus for plaid), and the gas tank of the 918 and the battery pack of the plaid will probably last a similar amount of time. Well if we are being honest. IF we are talking Nordschleife, the 918 can do exactly 1 lap at max speed with the battery engaged for maximum output. Past that the its the gas engine only. |
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Posted: 9/27/2020 11:41:44 AM EDT
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The only thing impressive about those speeds and lap times are the people that think they matter when a computer is controlling traction the entire time.
Turn off the baby sitter, then impress me. You'll have to wake me up though. The specs are impressive, the experience is boring. |
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Posted: 9/27/2020 11:43:22 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Wouldn't even make it for 1 hour of track time. Maybe 1x 20min segment max before needing to recharge. And Tesla's well know for their brakes being smoking melted pieces of shit after an intense track session. So upgrade brakes like every other car manufacturer does before tracking. |
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Posted: 9/27/2020 11:43:24 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Tesla threads are always amusing. They are full of people getting all emotional while they defend a car (either the Tesla or a competitor) they will very likely never even own lol It's not about an person owning it or not. It's about the mentality of forcing a complete stranger to pay for your toys. I'm surprised you haven't gotten that after 25000 posts. |
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Posted: 9/27/2020 11:44:20 AM EDT
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So who's got the Nordschleife time for the Plaid? I know they tested it year what least year? From what I can find it did it in 7:13.....which while fast.....gets beat by a 991.2 GT3...which are closer in price and its pure gas.
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Posted: 9/27/2020 11:45:03 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Needs LS swap Why would you intentionally make it slower |
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Posted: 9/27/2020 11:45:40 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I don't think most people realize how silly an ~8.8 second car vs a ~10s car like the 918 is going to look. Most of it's four-door contemporaries will be lucky to even get <11s. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: I always love the retards who can't accept that this is the future of auto tech. "It no make vroom vroom sound, it no good, me no like" ETA: Have fun dealing with the anger when these gap you in the 1/4, they're only going to get better. I was at Atco Dragway Friday night. The Tesla would destroy every street car there. There were a maybe a dozen sub 9 second race cars there. I don't think most people realize how silly an ~8.8 second car vs a ~10s car like the 918 is going to look. Most of it's four-door contemporaries will be lucky to even get <11s. I saw a Model 3 running 11.60s last year. I'm hoping to get my 335i there but then again I only paid $5500 for it. The 3 seemed to really get out and didn't have all too much on the top end. You'd think a turbo 4 cylinder with a electric motors at the back wheels would be the perfect set up but with this new Tesla why even bother. An 8.8 vs a 10 second time is total annihaltion. |
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Posted: 9/27/2020 11:45:58 AM EDT
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In before the Lithium Wars! Saudi Arabia will be selling sand again.
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Posted: 9/27/2020 11:46:17 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So upgrade brakes like every other car manufacturer does before tracking. LOL |
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Posted: 9/27/2020 11:46:38 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Jesus who gives a fuck. The 918 wasn't built to drag race...not sure how fucking hard it is for you to get that through your skull. And its awesome you love comparing a brand new tech car vs a Hyper Car built between 2013-2015....I'm pretty sure my GT3 can beat in lap times Hyper cars built 5-7 years before it at this point. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I don't think most people realize how silly an ~8.8 second car vs a ~10s car like the 918 is going to look. Most of it's four-door contemporaries will be lucky to even get <11s. Jesus who gives a fuck. The 918 wasn't built to drag race...not sure how fucking hard it is for you to get that through your skull. And its awesome you love comparing a brand new tech car vs a Hyper Car built between 2013-2015....I'm pretty sure my GT3 can beat in lap times Hyper cars built 5-7 years before it at this point. You are just an old man yelling at clouds now. Everyone is tuning you out. |
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Posted: 9/27/2020 11:46:50 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryMine would be natural gas. |
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Posted: 9/27/2020 11:48:56 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You are just an old man yelling at clouds now. Everyone is tuning you out. Thats fine, doesn't change the fact your argument is wrong bud. |
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Posted: 9/27/2020 11:49:13 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yeah, I realize that. It also gets a constant stream of federal tax payer dollars per car. Why am I paying for complete strangers to buy a 40 - 140 thousand dollar car again? The first Tesla was introduced in 2008. Telsa has never turned a profit even with that massive federal subsidy year after year. WTF? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: You do realize it got the same lap time as the Porsche 918... a multimillion dollar hypercar built for the track, and this is a large 4-door sedan. Yeah, I realize that. It also gets a constant stream of federal tax payer dollars per car. Why am I paying for complete strangers to buy a 40 - 140 thousand dollar car again? The first Tesla was introduced in 2008. Telsa has never turned a profit even with that massive federal subsidy year after year. WTF? don't hate the player, hate the game |
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Posted: 9/27/2020 11:49:42 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So upgrade brakes like every other car manufacturer does before tracking. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Wouldn't even make it for 1 hour of track time. Maybe 1x 20min segment max before needing to recharge. And Tesla's well know for their brakes being smoking melted pieces of shit after an intense track session. So upgrade brakes like every other car manufacturer does before tracking. He's gonna shift goal post 10 more times in this thread. No answer will be good enough. |
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Posted: 9/27/2020 11:50:38 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So upgrade brakes like every other car manufacturer does before tracking. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Wouldn't even make it for 1 hour of track time. Maybe 1x 20min segment max before needing to recharge. And Tesla's well know for their brakes being smoking melted pieces of shit after an intense track session. So upgrade brakes like every other car manufacturer does before tracking. Remember, electric cars can use regenerative braking. 1100hp of electric motors is a lot of available braking assistance. |
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Posted: 9/27/2020 11:51:31 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: He's gonna shift goal post 10 more times in this thread. No answer will be good enough. For a 140k "car" why didn't they put Carbon's on stock then? |
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Posted: 9/27/2020 11:52:08 AM EDT
[#37]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Thats fine, doesn't change the fact your argument is wrong bud. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: You are just an old man yelling at clouds now. Everyone is tuning you out. Thats fine, doesn't change the fact your argument is wrong bud. I don't even have an argument. I am just observing and laughing at you. The new Tesla is cool and I'm not even a fan of electric cars. The numbers are impressive coming from a gas car guy. |
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Posted: 9/27/2020 11:55:15 AM EDT
[#38]
Quote HistoryQuoted: For a 140k "car" why didn't they put Carbon's on stock then? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: He's gonna shift goal post 10 more times in this thread. No answer will be good enough. For a 140k "car" why didn't they put Carbon's on stock then? It's a daily. Our NSX comes with Iron or Carbon rotors as an option. If I bought an NSX to daily I may skimp on the rotors too. It adds $10k to the price of the car. |
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Posted: 9/27/2020 11:57:13 AM EDT
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Quoted: https://pbs.twimg.com/card_img/1308539384455667714/lKAh6z8e?format=jpg&name=small 1100+ hp AWD 0-60 in under 2s 0-1/4 in under 9s 200+ mph top speed 520 miles of range also seats up to 7 Laguna Seca in 1:30, similar time as Porsche 918 and McLaren P1  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LBjp91zqnn8Man he aced the corkscrew, textbook. Good run. |
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Posted: 9/27/2020 11:57:21 AM EDT
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WOW, I'd love to take a spin in one!
How many G's would you be pulling while doing 0-60 in less than 2 seconds. *ETA* I ROUGHLY calculated 1.22, less than I was expecting. I AM Not a Math or Physics expert. 
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Posted: 9/27/2020 11:57:26 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So who's got the Nordschleife time for the Plaid? I know they tested it year what least year? From what I can find it did it in 7:13.....which while fast.....gets beat by a 991.2 GT3...which are closer in price and its pure gas. The one they were testing last year didn't have the new battery cells. The tabless design of the new cells has much better thermal management properties. |
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Posted: 9/27/2020 11:58:54 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Awesome car. The absence of engine sound is unnerving to me. But if I could afford the car, I could probably get used to it. The real breakover point will come when the weight-volume-cost/energy stored ratio and the recharge time equals that of gasoline or diesel. We're also going to have to up our energy production game to make up for the loss of fossile fuels. We are going to need fossil fuels to produce electric energy for a long time to come. |
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Posted: 9/27/2020 11:59:04 AM EDT
[#43]
Quote HistoryQuoted: For a 140k "car" why didn't they put Carbon's on stock then? The brakes on an electric aren't like the brakes on a gas car. Its a daily driver with regenerative braking, it can just do super car things |
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Posted: 9/27/2020 11:59:25 AM EDT
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Here's my biggest problem with Tesla. They don't understand that just because you can, doesn't mean you should.
Example: People get trapped in burning Tesla, burn up inside. https://www.thedrive.com/news/26620/tesla-driver-killed-after-being-trapped-in-burning-model-s-that-collided-with-a-tree Tesla response? Unbreakable (ish) windows!  Oops! Tesla Cybertruck's Unbreakable Windows Break During Demo NOBODY at Tesla said, "Hey guys! Windows are breakable for like, y'know, reasons and stuff!" Especially in a vehicle most like to roll over and need....breakable windows. And for such low production numbers of such a https://www.tesladeaths.com/ That crap poisons the entire product/company. Kinda like a Corvette that they managed to screw up the brakes on. Literally a cost-no-object ordeal, and they screwed up. They never should've fired George Newman, because he's got imagination. My friend's son (who is named Charger, incidentally) is really into electric cars, not so much the Mopar muscle after which he was named. Charger really caught my attention when, as a 12 year old, didn't like riding in a 2017 Challenger Scat Pak, because it 'didn't have enough tech'. When pressed to answer what 'tech' was, he couldn't answer. People think they need 'tech', because they're told they need 'tech'. Not because they actually need it. Refrigerator with a screen? Check. Shoes with wifi? Check. Something that operates without an internet connection? Ummm....well, yeah, about that..... Kinda like the Sega CD32. Now with more 'bits'! But still a piece of junk. And when I watch the videos...yeah, it's fast, but nobody told Elon that gingers have no soul. |
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Posted: 9/27/2020 12:01:18 PM EDT
[#45]
Quote HistoryQuoted: You strike me as the guy who could never afford a "exotic" let along the Plaid edition....so of course you try to apply the stats in a bullshit way. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: It’s already happened through decades of continuous improvement. We have a sedan that has 500 miles of range that also is faster at the drag strip than anything, while also capable of smoking exotics at the track. How is that anything other than an enormous disruptive force? You strike me as the guy who could never afford a "exotic" let along the Plaid edition....so of course you try to apply the stats in a bullshit way. Lol |
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Posted: 9/27/2020 12:02:26 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The brakes on an electric aren't like the brakes on a gas car. Its a daily driver with regenerative braking, it can just do super car things Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: For a 140k "car" why didn't they put Carbon's on stock then? The brakes on an electric aren't like the brakes on a gas car. Its a daily driver with regenerative braking, it can just do super car things The brakes need to be better because of the weight (can't get around that). I have no idea what the specs of the brakes are, but doing supercar things without supercar brakes is a recipe for disaster. |
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Posted: 9/27/2020 12:03:22 PM EDT
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Posted: 9/27/2020 12:03:52 PM EDT
[#48]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The brakes on an electric aren't like the brakes on a gas car. Its a daily driver with regenerative braking, it can just do super car things With an electric car, especially one like this, you can apply a lot of stopping power without even using the brakes. This is why brakes last many times longer on an EV than an ICE car. |
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Posted: 9/27/2020 12:04:07 PM EDT
[#49]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Thats fine, doesn't change the fact your argument is wrong bud.  |
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Posted: 9/27/2020 12:04:38 PM EDT
[#50]
Quote HistoryQuoted: It's been an option for years. https://www.teslarati.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/Tesla-Model-S-3rd-Row-Seats-e1379317106445-1280x720.jpg Only really fits kids though, like the backseats in a Porsche. They needs an asterisk on that “seats 7” that says it reduces the dead hooker storage space. |
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