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Posted: 1/4/2022 4:09:22 PM EDT
[#1]
Quote HistoryQuoted: That many people can't handle 9mm.  First the 10mm was too much recoil. Then the .40 was still snappy. The 9mm was just right. Now this. |
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Posted: 1/4/2022 4:12:09 PM EDT
[#2]
Quote HistoryQuoted: All of this. The capacity gains we could see in handguns could be pretty crazy. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: IF (and this is a massive if): ...a major manufacturer has developed a round that reliably meets the FBI protocol AND has a smaller case diameter than 9X19, it's a very, very big deal. All of this. The capacity gains we could see in handguns could be pretty crazy. I suspect this is going to have the market success of .45GAP and .41AE though. |
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Posted: 1/4/2022 4:12:59 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: In the middle of an ammo shortage, I’m glad Federal is releasing new obscure calibers that nobody wants to make good use of the limited number of small pistol primers available. My very first thought. Ridiculous. |
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Posted: 1/4/2022 4:13:54 PM EDT
[#4]
Maybe I can trade my 9mm Federal in on one of those.
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Posted: 1/4/2022 4:18:38 PM EDT
[#5]
Is it April 1st. already?
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Posted: 1/4/2022 4:23:24 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: IF (and this is a massive if): ...a major manufacturer has developed a round that reliably meets the FBI protocol AND has a smaller case diameter than 9X19, it's a very, very big deal. That would be a BIG deal. Actually, that 9mm can now reliably pass the FBI protocol is a BIG deal. That is a recent (less than 5 years ago) development. |
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Posted: 1/4/2022 4:24:40 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: My money is on suped up French Longue, only thing that really makes sense. If it really does replicate 9mm ballistics we could have something sorta interesting in a full sized package where you could cram 4 or 5 more rounds in the same sized gun. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Since the capacity is 10 instead of 8, I am going with this is a new fad caliber that's basically a .32ACP but rimless and loaded to higher pressure. I will laugh my ass off it it turns out to be 7.6520mm Longue.  My money is on suped up French Longue, only thing that really makes sense. If it really does replicate 9mm ballistics we could have something sorta interesting in a full sized package where you could cram 4 or 5 more rounds in the same sized gun. Base diameters: 9x19 - .391" .380acp - .374" 7.65x20 - .336" Basically, we're looking at a cartridge that's ~15% smaller in diameter than 9mm. Given that the standard Shield EZ 380 holds 8 rounds and this one apparently holds 10, that tracks. Now imagine roughly... 18 rounds in a G19 13 rounds in a P365 21 rounds in a G17 or Beretta 92 8 rounds in a G42 12 rounds in a LCP Max All with flush fit mags. This could get fun. |
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Posted: 1/4/2022 4:25:48 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Base diameters: 9x19 - .391" .380acp - .374" 7.65x20 - .336" Basically, we're looking at a cartridge that's ~15% smaller in diameter than 9mm. Given that the standard Shield EZ 380 holds 8 rounds and this one apparently holds 10, that tracks. Now imagine roughly... 18 rounds in a G19 13 rounds in a P365 21 rounds in a G17 or Beretta 92 8 rounds in a G42 12 rounds in a LCP Max All with flush fit mags. This could get fun. And 50-70 rounds in a pdw-type weapon.... |
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Posted: 1/4/2022 4:26:30 PM EDT
[#9]
100gr JHP 30 Super Carry
Buy the specs have it listed as 180gr 30 06 https://www.google.com/amp/s/vizardsgunsandammo.com/amp/s-w-shield-ez-30-super-carry-blackened-ss-blk-no-thumb-sfty/ |
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Posted: 1/4/2022 4:31:13 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Base diameters: 9x19 - .391" .380acp - .374" 7.65x20 - .336" Basically, we're looking at a cartridge that's ~15% smaller in diameter than 9mm. Given that the standard Shield EZ 380 holds 8 rounds and this one apparently holds 10, that tracks. Now imagine roughly... 18 rounds in a G19 13 rounds in a P365 21 rounds in a G17 or Beretta 92 8 rounds in a G42 12 rounds in a LCP Max All with flush fit mags. This could get fun. I've been wondering for 20 years why nobody has gone here. |
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Posted: 1/4/2022 4:31:47 PM EDT
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They should neck that up to a .355" wildcat round, would have more mass and hit harder.
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Posted: 1/4/2022 4:40:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I've been wondering for 20 years why nobody has gone here. Isn't the FN 5.7 a 20rd capacity? It's a big pistol though (light, but big for CCW). |
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Posted: 1/4/2022 5:02:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: New round from Federal. 100gr FMJ and HST https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/173511/download_jpeg-2228296.JPG For fucks sake. Can't even get real ammo out there enough to keep prices reasonable and they throw money at this bull shit? |
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Posted: 1/4/2022 5:03:26 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Isn't the FN 5.7 a 20rd capacity? It's a big pistol though (light, but big for CCW). 5.7x28 is dubious at best for a defensive round, especially from the pistol barrel. |
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Posted: 1/4/2022 5:04:15 PM EDT
[#15]
Quote HistoryBelted magnum handgun cartridges.
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Posted: 1/4/2022 5:04:31 PM EDT
[#16]
If it doesn't have 7.62x25mm ballistics I'm not interested.
Does it? |
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Posted: 1/4/2022 5:04:34 PM EDT
[#17]
Now we need 1911s in .25 Super!!!
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Posted: 1/4/2022 5:07:16 PM EDT
[#18]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Now we need 1911s in .25 Super!!! I thought you said .25 Souper and I was like WTF? |
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Posted: 1/4/2022 5:07:29 PM EDT
[#19]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Now we need 1911s in .25 Super!!! One of my crazy project ideas in the .25X25. Take the .25ACP, lose the vestigial rim, strengthen the case web, stretch the case out to 25mm. Develop a 30-50gr bullet for controlled expansion at 2,000fps, and stuff it over a shitload of powder. |
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Posted: 1/4/2022 5:09:42 PM EDT
[#20]
Who just got the 2022 Hodgdon reloading manual?
Is it in there? |
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Posted: 1/4/2022 5:11:22 PM EDT
[#21]
Is this a 9mm version of the 45 GAP? Sweet.
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Posted: 1/4/2022 5:11:44 PM EDT
[#22]
Based on 1 internet comment(leak or guess?) 115g at 1250
Best guess is straight case so close but not quite 327 for auto? |
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Posted: 1/4/2022 5:13:49 PM EDT
[#23]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Based on 1 internet comment(leak or guess?) 115g at 1250 Best guess is straight case so close but not quite 327 for auto? Interesting, might be able to squeeze 90 grains at 1400 out of that, maybe. Eta reloading with something like 800x, maybe. |
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Posted: 1/4/2022 5:15:29 PM EDT
[#24]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Interesting, might be able to squeeze 90 grains at 1400 out of that, maybe. The right bullet (monolithic HP maybe?) could make that a very big deal. |
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Posted: 1/4/2022 5:19:46 PM EDT
[#25]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I thought you said .25 Souper and I was like WTF? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Now we need 1911s in .25 Super!!! I thought you said .25 Souper and I was like WTF? Spend some time on a certain web sites that spells bullets "boolits" and you'll see its probably already been dun b fo. |
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Posted: 1/4/2022 5:22:04 PM EDT
[#26]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The right bullet (monolithic HP maybe?) could make that a very big deal. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Interesting, might be able to squeeze 90 grains at 1400 out of that, maybe. The right bullet (monolithic HP maybe?) could make that a very big deal. You can take a copper solid hp then drill it out and and put a nickel core (from welding rods) and it's not technically illegal, but it makes a darn fine ap round |
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Posted: 1/4/2022 5:24:29 PM EDT
[#27]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Since the capacity is 10 instead of 8, I am going with this is a new fad caliber that's basically a .32ACP but rimless and loaded to higher pressure. I will laugh my ass off it it turns out to be 7.6520mm Longue. I've always wondered about a modernized 7.62x20 Longue, running modern powder at what would be considered +P+ pressures from compressed loads. Of course, the ammo would have to be labeled "Ruger only." Kharn |
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Posted: 1/4/2022 5:28:40 PM EDT
[#28]
Quote HistoryQuoted: New round from Federal. 100gr FMJ and HST https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/173511/download_jpeg-2228296.JPG Manufacturers can’t keep up with the demand for mainstream calibers and now they’re marketing new one? |
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Posted: 1/4/2022 5:30:56 PM EDT
[#29]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Manufacturers can’t keep up with the demand for mainstream calibers and now they’re marketing new one? I see why manufacturers do it. For a year or two they get to supply all of the gun sun the new caliber. |
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Posted: 1/4/2022 5:32:10 PM EDT
[#30]
So the American made 7.62x25 Tokaraev?
Whoopdedo! |
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Posted: 1/4/2022 5:35:55 PM EDT
[#31]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Thought op was confused with 38 Super until I seen the pic of the ammo box. Then was like /media/mediaFiles/sharedAlbum/butWhy-734.gif Yeah basically. |
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Posted: 1/4/2022 5:35:59 PM EDT
[#32]
Quote HistoryQuoted: might as well get a tokarev. I would if the chambered a modern pistol in that caliber. A glockarev maybe?? Double stack mag, suppressor ready, slide cut for a red dot!! 
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Posted: 1/4/2022 5:36:51 PM EDT
[#33]
Quote HistoryQuoted: So the American made 7.62x25 Tokaraev? Whoopdedo! I sure hope so. 
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Posted: 1/4/2022 5:37:52 PM EDT
[#34]
If the recoil is less punishing to tender wrists than 9mm half of Arfcom will have one strapped to their battle belt in no time.
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Posted: 1/4/2022 5:41:20 PM EDT
[#35]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The solution no one asked for, to a problem that doesnt exist Here we go again just like the 45 gap, 10 mm or 357 sig!  Attached File |
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Posted: 1/4/2022 5:43:29 PM EDT
[#36]
If real, this round wouldn’t be for replacing 9mm in terms of performance. Instead I think the idea is to find something that can replace the .380, or at least provide better performance than the .380 in the same size package with more capacity.
Basically what the .327 federal gives you over .38 special, but for auto loaders The vast majority of .380 HP loads don’t get enough penetration. This new round in theory could provide good expansion and penetration in a small pocket pistol package. And give you an extra round or two over .380 |
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Posted: 1/4/2022 5:44:24 PM EDT
[#37]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm not as up to date on gun stuff as I used to be, so maybe it's not so embarrassing when I say "I've got no idea WTF 30 Super is?". |
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Posted: 1/4/2022 5:46:28 PM EDT
[#38]
Quote HistoryWarning, Glock 9mm fan boys should avoid this handgun at all cost, it's a little snappy and we know you couldn't handle it. |
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Posted: 1/4/2022 5:49:56 PM EDT
[#39]
Quote HistoryQuoted: IF (and this is a massive if): ...a major manufacturer has developed a round that reliably meets the FBI protocol AND has a smaller case diameter than 9X19, it's a very, very big deal. Yeah that's kinda my thought too, since you might could squeeze 23-25 of them into some of the full size guns out there now. |
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Posted: 1/4/2022 5:51:27 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You can take a copper solid hp then drill it out and and put a nickel core (from welding rods) and it's not technically illegal, but it makes a darn fine ap round Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Interesting, might be able to squeeze 90 grains at 1400 out of that, maybe. The right bullet (monolithic HP maybe?) could make that a very big deal. You can take a copper solid hp then drill it out and and put a nickel core (from welding rods) and it's not technically illegal, but it makes a darn fine ap round |
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Posted: 1/4/2022 5:53:15 PM EDT
[#41]
a 100gr HST going 1200FPS would be interesting from the little LCP sized mouse guns, assuming it meets FBI protocols
but this is a terrible time to release a new caliber  and its weird to see them making a smaller cartridge in a bigger handgun while the trend is making 9mm handguns even smaller and smaller
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Posted: 1/4/2022 5:58:23 PM EDT
[#42]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Isn't the FN 5.7 a 20rd capacity? It's a big pistol though (light, but big for CCW). That round is too long for conventional pistol platforms |
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Posted: 1/4/2022 6:05:11 PM EDT
[#43]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Thought op was confused with 38 Super until I seen the pic of the ammo box. Then was like /media/mediaFiles/sharedAlbum/butWhy-734.gif I assure you that if it rolls out named as is you won’t be anywhere near the last person to make that mistake |
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Posted: 1/4/2022 6:06:16 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I would if the chambered a modern pistol in that caliber. A glockarev maybe?? Double stack mag, suppressor ready, slide cut for a red dot!! https://media.mwstatic.com/product-images/src/primary/333/333807.jpg Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: might as well get a tokarev. I would if the chambered a modern pistol in that caliber. A glockarev maybe?? Double stack mag, suppressor ready, slide cut for a red dot!! https://media.mwstatic.com/product-images/src/primary/333/333807.jpg That rear sight is calibrated for what, 100 Meters? I filed mine down.
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Posted: 1/4/2022 6:25:28 PM EDT
[#45]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm not as up to date on gun stuff as I used to be, so maybe it's not so embarrassing when I say "I've got no idea WTF 30 Super is?". Doesn't seem like a great time to introduce a new caliber
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Posted: 1/4/2022 6:58:36 PM EDT
[#46]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Definitely sounds like a 7.65 French Longue (AKA 30 Pederson), same diameter, same performance. 7.65 French Longue |
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Posted: 1/4/2022 7:20:38 PM EDT
[#47]
Quote HistoryQuoted: might as well get a tokarev. A few years ago 7.62x25 was considerably less than 9mm up here but the only guns you could get were Tokarevs or a Norinco P226. I think it's a neat cartridge (especially if it's cheap) and a real steel framed Sig Sauer or something would be cool. |
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Posted: 1/4/2022 7:26:33 PM EDT
[#48]
Cool
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Posted: 1/4/2022 7:30:20 PM EDT
[#49]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Another cartridge solution to a ballistic problem that didn't exist. Pretty much. I’ll just stick with my 9mm Gold Dots. |
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Posted: 1/4/2022 7:32:36 PM EDT
[#50]
Let me know when the start making the 30 Super Duper carry and Im all in
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