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Posted: 1/4/2022 7:34:13 PM EDT
[#1]
Make 7.62x25 great again!
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Posted: 1/4/2022 7:37:59 PM EDT
[#2]
OFFS, more old obsolete calibers in dusty boxes on the top shelf in my future.
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Posted: 1/4/2022 7:47:08 PM EDT
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100 grain 30 caliber round. Neva bint dun befow....
Meanwhile over at Hornady,  |
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Posted: 1/4/2022 7:57:25 PM EDT
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Posted: 1/4/2022 8:02:34 PM EDT
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Likely defeats Level II armor.
Meets a need. I just built one with a 9" barrel that accepts 30 round AR mags. I call it the 300 Blackout Lite when loaded to below 2000 FPS.... 
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Posted: 1/4/2022 8:05:52 PM EDT
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We needed something to bridge the gap between .25ACP and .32ACP?
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Posted: 1/4/2022 8:07:14 PM EDT
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Posted: 1/4/2022 8:09:17 PM EDT
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Quote History21mm case? Holy fuck, this might actually be something. I already want a 6-shot hammerless J-frame clip gun with a shortened cylinder. |
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Posted: 1/4/2022 8:09:50 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryThe best MM is missing from this photo. |
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Posted: 1/4/2022 8:23:18 PM EDT
[#10]
Would this be a good round for bear defense?
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Posted: 1/4/2022 8:31:45 PM EDT
[#11]
Aha, 115 at 1160, not 1250
Still high cap for gun size could be interesting. |
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Posted: 1/4/2022 8:32:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Would this be a good round for bear defense? Koalas |
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Posted: 1/4/2022 8:38:37 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Koalas Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Would this be a good round for bear defense? Koalas Legal for deer in Ohio? |
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Posted: 1/4/2022 8:41:43 PM EDT
[#14]
.05" smaller diameter case than 9mm, so that's +1 in a mag, right?
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Posted: 1/4/2022 8:42:29 PM EDT
[#15]
Fuck yes. Now build a modern Pedersen Device to run it through .30 bolt guns.
Because Fuckit |
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Posted: 1/4/2022 8:43:36 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Fuck yes. Now build a modern Pedersen Device to run it through .30 bolt guns. Because Fuckit .30 carbine short & weak |
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Posted: 1/4/2022 8:48:24 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Legal for deer in Ohio? nope, straight walled but too skinny |
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Posted: 1/4/2022 8:59:45 PM EDT
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YEP! other than extending the cartridge case length about .010" or so, it actually is a magnum styled version of the 7.65 french Longue, as the OAL is within .08" of the original round... They elongated the case for powder capacity and shortened the bullet to achieve maximum velocity. They played with the dimensions, but any reasonable person would assume this could be fired in a French 1935s pistol with a properly reamed chamber... What's old is new again!
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Posted: 1/4/2022 9:04:38 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: .05" smaller diameter case than 9mm, so that's +1 in a mag, right? The Shield EZ holds 8 rounds of .380 and 10 rounds of .30SC, and I'd imagine the gains in capacity would be even better in double stack guns. So, we're getting more than one extra round here. |
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Posted: 1/4/2022 9:06:43 PM EDT
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Posted: 1/4/2022 9:24:45 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: YEP! other than extending the cartridge case length about .010" or so, it actually is a magnum styled version of the 7.65 french Longue, as the OAL is within .08" of the original round... They elongated the case for powder capacity and shortened the bullet to achieve maximum velocity. They played with the dimensions, but any reasonable person would assume this could be fired in a French 1935s pistol with a properly reamed chamber... What's old is new again! Given that we have no idea what the pressure specifications for this cartridge are or how it compares to 7.65 French Longue... no. No reasonable person would make that assumption. |
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Posted: 1/4/2022 9:30:23 PM EDT
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Ask for new 38 Super guns and HSTs in the same and we get 30 carbine short instead
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Posted: 1/4/2022 9:42:53 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Given that we have no idea what the pressure specifications for this cartridge are or how it compares to 7.65 French Longue... no. No reasonable person would make that assumption. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: YEP! other than extending the cartridge case length about .010" or so, it actually is a magnum styled version of the 7.65 french Longue, as the OAL is within .08" of the original round... They elongated the case for powder capacity and shortened the bullet to achieve maximum velocity. They played with the dimensions, but any reasonable person would assume this could be fired in a French 1935s pistol with a properly reamed chamber... What's old is new again! Given that we have no idea what the pressure specifications for this cartridge are or how it compares to 7.65 French Longue... no. No reasonable person would make that assumption. 50,000 |
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Posted: 1/4/2022 9:48:03 PM EDT
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Posted: 1/4/2022 9:58:09 PM EDT
[#25]
Quote HistoryCool first post. Welcome to Arfcom. |
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Posted: 1/4/2022 10:01:39 PM EDT
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Will it be as successful as the 224 Valkyrie?
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Posted: 1/4/2022 10:13:44 PM EDT
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Wonder about Velocities
F it I'm going to buy all the ammo when it comes our before there's a demand . 
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Posted: 1/4/2022 10:57:58 PM EDT
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Posted: 1/4/2022 11:01:59 PM EDT
[#29]
Found this
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Posted: 1/4/2022 11:02:01 PM EDT
[#30]
I just want a Springfield Mil-Spec Stainless, chambered in 9x23. Im not asking for much. They've already done parkerized .38 Supers.
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Posted: 1/4/2022 11:04:06 PM EDT
[#31]
"no tradeoffs"
Well. At 50kpsi, bullet setback is now going to be a hazard. |
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Posted: 1/4/2022 11:08:04 PM EDT
[#32]
no 2000fps+, no care
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Posted: 1/4/2022 11:09:46 PM EDT
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Man I've thought about making a longer, stronger casehead .30" pistol cartridge for a while. You could exceed 9mm in capacity and get some nice ballistics with low recoil.
Like start with a .32 ACP, ditch the semi-rim, extend to about 1.300" COAL and make the casehead able to withstand 40k PSI. It's like they got in my head. I even figured 115s for supers and imagine how quiet some 160gr subs would be. |
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Posted: 1/4/2022 11:11:58 PM EDT
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I like weird calibers. But I want the option to shoot through both sides so I'll stick with the 10mm
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Posted: 1/4/2022 11:17:12 PM EDT
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Has my interest.... but a 1911 and a shitbox S&E EZ are not the guns I want it in.
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Posted: 1/4/2022 11:22:09 PM EDT
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Put that thing in a lcp max and give me a 15 round pocket pistol!
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Posted: 1/4/2022 11:24:56 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Has my interest.... but a 1911 and a shitbox S&E EZ are not the guns I want it in. A 12/13rd 3913 would though I bet
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Posted: 1/4/2022 11:27:41 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: OFFS, more old obsolete calibers in dusty boxes on the top shelf in my future. Why though? In a full size this would get you 20-21 rounds flush and we all know the actual performance would be on par with 9mm since there is miniscule difference in bullet diameter. Sounds like it could easily be a 9mm replacer going by all the metrics used in ballistics. |
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Posted: 1/4/2022 11:28:22 PM EDT
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Posted: 1/4/2022 11:29:31 PM EDT
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Smaller version of 45 GAP
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Posted: 1/4/2022 11:31:13 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: OFFS, more old obsolete calibers in dusty boxes on the top shelf in my future. 
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Posted: 1/4/2022 11:37:14 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Dang. What a waste. .30 at 1200 is better than .35 at 1250? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I wonder if this is some new wonder round being introduced at SHOT show and a few retailers jumped the gun. Found something saying the 100 grain ammo runs around 1200fps... so basically it's a smaller diameter 9mm... and for what? Dang. What a waste. .30 at 1200 is better than .35 at 1250? Well it fits the 9mm is better than .40 S&W which is better than .45acp because bullet technology bro types. They should jump on the extra capacity no downsides because bullet technology bandwagon just like every other smaller cartridge bandwagon. Will it happen who knows but it will be interesting to see what marketing can do. |
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Posted: 1/4/2022 11:37:28 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Has my interest.... but a 1911 and a shitbox S&E EZ are not the guns I want it in. The .30 Super isn't listed on Nighthawk's website yet that I can see but since they say orders are a year and a half out currently I don'r see them getting to it anytime soon. |
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Posted: 1/4/2022 11:38:03 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Isn't the FN 5.7 a 20rd capacity? It's a big pistol though (light, but big for CCW). But diameter of the brass for the round is something like .311, .32 acp is bigger even. And the fn5.7 Is bigger than a glock 17 (grip length is .5 inches longer) and so where around 1.4 inches thick vs 1.1 got a glock 17. |
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Posted: 1/4/2022 11:38:33 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: A 12/13rd 3913 would though I bet |
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Posted: 1/4/2022 11:40:14 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Smaller version of 45 GAP |
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Posted: 1/4/2022 11:44:49 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Man I've thought about making a longer, stronger casehead .30" pistol cartridge for a while. You could exceed 9mm in capacity and get some nice ballistics with low recoil. Like start with a .32 ACP, ditch the semi-rim, extend to about 1.300" COAL and make the casehead able to withstand 40k PSI. It's like they got in my head. I even figured 115s for supers and imagine how quiet some 160gr subs would be. Just start with .30 carbine brass. A longer 10mm version of this for .45acp/10mm pistols would be cool. Hell you could make a standard 1911 hicap with the cartridge. Ejectors might be the difficult part. |
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Posted: 1/4/2022 11:51:26 PM EDT
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This could actually be a pretty cool development. With the smaller case diameter, gaining a few rounds capacity over 380 and possibly beating it ballistically could be a nice improvement.
I’ve always thought 380 was a stupid round, being the same diameter as 9mm and just a tad shorter, but a much weaker cartridge. It just never made much sense to me. This round could make up the difference. |
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Posted: 1/4/2022 11:54:40 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yes, yes it would, except that already exists. It is the 6906. An 18-round 6906, OTOH…. 
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Posted: 1/5/2022 12:00:04 AM EDT
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IN before all the youtube shills release videos about this at the same time.
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