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Posted: 1/5/2022 9:44:42 PM EST
[#1]
Cool, ANOTHER shit round developed for newbs & novices. Go sit in the corner with 9mm, DUNCES!
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Posted: 1/5/2022 9:58:07 PM EST
[#2]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I thought the ammo panic was over? It's been normal stock around here for months. |
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Posted: 1/5/2022 10:01:43 PM EST
[#3]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Cool, ANOTHER shit round developed for newbs & novices. Go sit in the corner with 9mm, DUNCES! What have you got against 9mm? |
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Posted: 1/5/2022 10:07:21 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: What have you got against 9mm? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Cool, ANOTHER shit round developed for newbs & novices. Go sit in the corner with 9mm, DUNCES! What have you got against 9mm? It doesn't start with a "4", duh. Real men only shoot calibers that start with 4. |
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Posted: 1/5/2022 10:13:37 PM EST
[#5]
??
A new round while there's been an ammo shortage is very ???? |
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Posted: 1/5/2022 10:30:24 PM EST
[#6]
We are in 3CW. Only 2000 more years of CW left to go.
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Posted: 1/5/2022 10:33:52 PM EST
[#7]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I've never seen anything like that before!  Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Meh, I'd rather have 7.62x25 https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FIXKaJdWYAIJEeG?format=jpg&name=medium It's the mythical hammer-fired Glock from Antman. 
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Posted: 1/5/2022 10:38:33 PM EST
[#8]
https://gunmagwarehouse.com/blog/30-super-carry-welcome-new-cartridge/
.327 Mag, meet .30 Super Carry - another smaller sized round that does a little less than its larger, more well-established competition except allow a couple extra rounds capacity at the expense of increased price and reduced availability. |
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Posted: 1/5/2022 11:11:43 PM EST
[#9]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The guns are absolutely horrible. At least a S&W Shield Plus would have been a much better option. But a 1911 of all things is the worst. And I actually do like and own 1911s, even 9mm ones. I don’t disagree, but just pointing out they are offering a Shield Plus chambered in this. Still horrible, but we can also be accurate |
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Posted: 1/5/2022 11:28:53 PM EST
[#10]
Quote HistoryQuoted: It’ll do neither, because it doesn’t meet minimum case dimensions or bullet diameter for any division including Open Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Kick it up to 1,650 and it will be major power factor [do not attempt ]1250 would just make minor. It’ll do neither, because it doesn’t meet minimum case dimensions or bullet diameter for any division including Open Remember when all the revolver division guys were shooting 625s because they needed .45s, then all of the sudden, the rules were different, and S&W was cranking out 986s and 929s out of nowhere? I didn't bring this up for any reason in particular, but... |
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Posted: 1/5/2022 11:33:25 PM EST
[#11]
I will buy a few magazines and a conversion barrel for my G19, just for the ammo compatability. You never know what may be available.
But even as an arthritic old fart, I don't see the need.  It may prove a midway round between the .380acp and the 9mm, time will tell. |
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Posted: 1/5/2022 11:34:12 PM EST
[#12]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The guns are absolutely horrible. At least a S&W Shield Plus would have been a much better option. But a 1911 of all things is the worst. And I actually do like and own 1911s, even 9mm ones. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: The idea of the cartridge is good. The timing and name is horrible. The guns they are introducing it in suck. They should be selling a Glock 48 in this caliber. "Would have been?" It IS an option. It's right there on the launch site. Why do you keep pretending it's not in the picture? |
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Posted: 1/5/2022 11:34:51 PM EST
[#13]
Quote HistoryQuoted: That works What lube for .32FAP? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: .32 Federal Action Pistol For when you’re alone at the range. That works What lube for .32FAP? Jergins |
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Posted: 1/5/2022 11:45:27 PM EST
[#14]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I will buy a few magazines and a conversion barrel for my G19, just for the ammo compatability. You never know what may be available. But even as an arthritic old fart, I don't see the need. It may prove a midway round between the .380acp and the 9mm, time will tell. The purpose of a “midway” round between .380 and 9mm is to get the most power possible out of a pistol with a locked breech. 9mm Makarov succeeded, but it also didn’t have to compete with anything else on an open market. 9mm Ultra did compete in an open market and it failed miserably in spite of having as favorable of a marketing environment as it was going to get. I like this round. I like 7.65 Parabellum too. In theory, if penetration and expansion can roughly equal 9x19, then it should offer an objective improvement to 9mm Para. I still don’t see a lot of people making the switch. Hopefully enough do that it will stick around and enjoy some popularity. It can take .40 S&W’s place in caliber wars. |
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Posted: 1/5/2022 11:47:02 PM EST
[#15]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Jergins Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: .32 Federal Action Pistol For when you’re alone at the range. That works What lube for .32FAP? Jergins Frog Lube? |
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Posted: 1/5/2022 11:54:25 PM EST
[#16]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Frog Lube? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: .32 Federal Action Pistol For when you’re alone at the range. That works What lube for .32FAP? Jergins Frog Lube? I named a lotion. You named a gun lube. This game isn't fun. |
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Posted: 1/6/2022 12:05:20 AM EST
[#17]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Jergins Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: .32 Federal Action Pistol For when you’re alone at the range. That works What lube for .32FAP? Jergins Cherry Balssz |
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Posted: 1/6/2022 12:05:46 AM EST
[#18]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The guns are absolutely horrible. At least a S&W Shield Plus would have been a much better option. But a 1911 of all things is the worst. And I actually do like and own 1911s, even 9mm ones. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: The idea of the cartridge is good. The timing and name is horrible. The guns they are introducing it in suck. They should be selling a Glock 48 in this caliber. https://www.federalpremium.com/30supercarry.html  Attached File |
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Posted: 1/6/2022 12:08:53 AM EST
[#19]
Quote HistoryHahaha a 500 dollar gun or a 5k gun to shoot it. How nifty. |
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Posted: 1/6/2022 12:16:04 AM EST
[#20]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Ammo available in 3 years. At this point, why oh why?!? They can still sale as much 9mm as people will buy. Normally, I’m a fan for new stuff. When HST is still ridiculously expensive and still on the edge of unobtanium, 30 super can fuck right off. |
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Posted: 1/6/2022 12:18:37 AM EST
[#21]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I named a lotion. You named a gun lube. This game isn't fun. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: .32 Federal Action Pistol For when you’re alone at the range. That works What lube for .32FAP? Jergins Frog Lube? I named a lotion. You named a gun lube. This game isn't fun. I mean, if you ONLY use it for gun lube… |
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Posted: 1/6/2022 12:33:20 AM EST
[#22]
What makes it so "Super" exactly? A .357 revolver for concealed carry seems a lot more "Super".
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Posted: 1/6/2022 12:53:05 AM EST
[#23]
Quote HistoryQuoted: What makes it so "Super" exactly? A .357 revolver for concealed carry seems a lot more "Super". Would you really rather carry a five shot 357 over a 12 shot 30? |
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Posted: 1/6/2022 12:55:34 AM EST
[#24]
They need to offer it in an optics ready full size double stack with a standard capacity of around 24 rounds.
A full sized version of Smiths new single action would be tits. Optics ready, picatinny rail on the dust cover, 4 pound trigger, 24+1 round capacity |
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Posted: 1/6/2022 12:56:07 AM EST
[#25]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Cool, ANOTHER shit round developed for newbs & novices. Go sit in the corner with 9mm, DUNCES! Lol this is a 2021'er post if I've ever seen one. |
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Posted: 1/6/2022 1:13:38 AM EST
[#26]
Quote HistoryQuoted: What makes it so "Super" exactly? A .357 revolver for concealed carry seems a lot more "Super". I heard it was between that and .30 Okayish Carry. They couldn't decide so flipped a coin and .30 Super Carry won. |
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Posted: 1/6/2022 1:22:18 AM EST
[#27]
The chamber pressure of 50,000 holy shit, .50 bmg is 54k
357 is. 35k 460 is 64k 10mm is 37k Isn’t that a lot of pressure for a small gun or am I missing something? |
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Posted: 1/6/2022 2:13:42 AM EST
[#28]
Quote HistoryQuoted: We are in 3CW. Only 2000 more years of CW left to go. Praise be Honkler. Honks be upon him. Insh'honkler |
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Posted: 1/6/2022 2:28:07 AM EST
[#29]
Quote HistoryQuoted: They need to offer it in an optics ready full size double stack with a standard capacity of around 24 rounds. A full sized version of Smiths new single action would be tits. Optics ready, picatinny rail on the dust cover, 4 pound trigger, 24+1 round capacity This would be vastly more relevant to my interests |
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Posted: 1/6/2022 2:33:01 AM EST
[#30]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I mean, if you ONLY use it for gun lube… Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: .32 Federal Action Pistol For when you’re alone at the range. That works What lube for .32FAP? Jergins Frog Lube? I named a lotion. You named a gun lube. This game isn't fun. I mean, if you ONLY use it for gun lube… I'm not falling for that again. BTDT |
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Posted: 1/6/2022 3:49:52 AM EST
[#31]
Quote HistoryQuoted: This would be vastly more relevant to my interests Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: They need to offer it in an optics ready full size double stack with a standard capacity of around 24 rounds. A full sized version of Smiths new single action would be tits. Optics ready, picatinny rail on the dust cover, 4 pound trigger, 24+1 round capacity This would be vastly more relevant to my interests Yup. I like slim compact single stack pistols, but increased capacity and reduced recoil would be ideal in an optics ready mid and full sized double stack pistol. A single action trigger + optics ready +24 round standard capacity mag would be big ole bouncing titties. Be cooler if the rear sight was in front of the optics mount cut or the slide was cut so you could move the sights with the optics mounted. |
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Posted: 1/6/2022 5:05:52 AM EST
[#32]
A 7.62x25 Tok or .30 Mauser would be kind of cool, especially with a modern self defense projectile. Otherwise, fuck having to add yet another obscure caliber to the inventory.
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Posted: 1/6/2022 5:14:15 AM EST
[#33]
Hard to imagine that it will get many buyers in today's market of ammo shortages.
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Posted: 1/6/2022 5:40:59 AM EST
[#34]
Quote HistoryQuoted: This would be vastly more relevant to my interests Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: They need to offer it in an optics ready full size double stack with a standard capacity of around 24 rounds. A full sized version of Smiths new single action would be tits. Optics ready, picatinny rail on the dust cover, 4 pound trigger, 24+1 round capacity This would be vastly more relevant to my interests Mine too. If they fixed the trigger. Reviews all say 6+ lbs. F that |
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Posted: 1/6/2022 6:10:50 AM EST
[#35]
Quote HistoryQuote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: The idea of the cartridge is good. The timing and name is horrible. The guns they are introducing it in suck. They should be selling a Glock 48 in this caliber. https://www.federalpremium.com/30supercarry.html https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/19024/_30SC_PNG-2230138.JPG What capacity are they planning for the Shield Plus? Will it be slimmer than the double stack 9mm version? |
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Posted: 1/6/2022 7:25:15 AM EST
[#36]
The PCC is where this round might shine. Double the barrel length and that 100 grain pill should be scooting.
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Posted: 1/6/2022 8:14:46 AM EST
[#37]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I don't disagree, but just pointing out they are offering a Shield Plus chambered in this. Still horrible, but we can also be accurate |
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Posted: 1/6/2022 8:17:10 AM EST
[#38]
Quote History |
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Posted: 1/6/2022 8:21:27 AM EST
[#39]
Quote HistoryQuoted: What capacity are they planning for the Shield Plus? Will it be slimmer than the double stack 9mm version? |
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Posted: 1/6/2022 8:21:49 AM EST
[#40]
Quote HistoryQuoted: If I just keep my Kahr with 8 rounds of 9mm can I still hang out with the cool kids? Social status is important if you want to talk tough at the gunshop counter.  Sorry you’ll have to stand over with subcompact 1911 people, but we welcome you with open arms though. @makintrax73 |
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Posted: 1/6/2022 8:23:13 AM EST
[#41]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Sorry you'll have to stand over with subcompact 1911 people, but we welcome you with open arms though. @makintrax73 Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: If I just keep my Kahr with 8 rounds of 9mm can I still hang out with the cool kids? Social status is important if you want to talk tough at the gunshop counter. Sorry you'll have to stand over with subcompact 1911 people, but we welcome you with open arms though. @makintrax73 
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Posted: 1/6/2022 8:34:55 AM EST
[#42]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I don’t care about velocity or energy. I want to see penetration and expansion data for all of the FBI test criteria. It’s telling that they compared it to one of the worst performing 380 loads and only one 9mm load. I expect it will outperform 380, but require a 9mm sized gun. So how does it compare to 147Gn HST? How does it compare to 124Gn +P Gold Dot? How does it compare to 127Gn +P+ SXT? Can see them comparing to the 147 hst, but against +p should that be compared to 30 sc +p Then again with it’s standard 50k psi could they even make a +p for it? |
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Posted: 1/6/2022 8:58:13 AM EST
[#43]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Super high pressure cartridge with short barrel and pop-gun ballistics. Dumb idea. Is designer of this cartridge Joe Biden? Lol |
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Posted: 1/6/2022 9:24:55 AM EST
[#44]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Fixed it for you |
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Posted: 1/6/2022 9:43:16 AM EST
[#45]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Because 9mm is $17/50 and this new stuff will be $25/20? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: So there selling point is it’s the first caliber designed for the CC market! What a crock Buy it! A fat man in flannel said so. I am a fat man in flannel well not right now but most of the time hahaha and I don’t think so. I’m not saying they won’t sell I’m sure they will to the target audience in droves especially if they ran the line and got pallets of ammo ready to ship with guns. I just can’t fathom why when they can’t meet current ammo demands of the most popular calibers why they’d add new ones. Because 9mm is $17/50 and this new stuff will be $25/20? This is actually the point of why they did it. They don’t care about providing us with calibers such as .357 magnum when they can make up some new round and charge even more for it. I saw so many 20 round boxes of 9mm ammo at bass pro in Springfield this week. To be honest it’s the most I ever saw on a shelf in my life. Even pre Covid I could pay $20-$25 for a 20 round box of hst or I could buy 50 round boxes of hst for $35 average. Exact same ammo but cheaper? It’s a scam |
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Posted: 1/6/2022 10:14:24 AM EST
[#46]
After getting caught up in the thread,
7.62x25Tok can be loaded with Hornady 90gr XTP hollowpoints seated deep enough that it will feed from a 9mm magazine. There have been 1911 conversion barrels made (I've got one for a build that I'm still accumulating parts for), and their use involves either rolling your own ammo to fit your mags, or (the questionable practice of) running surplus ammo through your press to seat the projectiles a little deeper. All it would take for gun manufacturers to be more willing to offer 7.62x25Tok as an option in their .45acp/10mm/.38Super frames, is for ammo manufacturers to come up with a new standard for a load that has the projectile seated just deep enough to work in .38Super mags. It would give up a small amount of case capacity, but some experimenting with different powders may make up for the difference. That video will probably sell some guns. It might make you cringe or laugh, but there is a segment of the market that it will appeal to. Given how much time it can take for a new caliber to be developed and brought to market, it's possible that the ammo shortage wasn't expected to be much of a factor, until they started getting closer to release and we were still in a bad ammo market. Then again, some people may walk into a store and see a lot of empty ammo shelves, with the shelf for this caliber stocked, and decide it might be worth trying a gun in this new caliber because they can get ammo for it. As for the caliber itself... time will tell whether it's flop, some new nifty round for a niche market, or something that's going to be taking another caliber's spot in the current market. |
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Posted: 1/6/2022 10:30:35 AM EST
[#47]
New S&W CSX, with a decent SA trigger, alloy frame, 10-12rd 9mm.
Might make a good fit for this new round.  Attached File |
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Posted: 1/6/2022 10:38:54 AM EST
[#48]
What will make this cartridge thrive is conversion kits for established models like the GLOCK 19 and GLOCK 43X for example. If the average gun aficionado can simply get a conversion barrels for their guns and use their original mags. This will greatly improve its chances.
Again, I like variety and I'd like to be able to simply swap out a barrel in my Beretta 92FS Centurion or GLOCK 17L for example. |
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Posted: 1/6/2022 10:40:51 AM EST
[#49]
It seems that it should be possible to double stack in a 1911 width magazine. It would be cool if they do a Magnum version that's 45 ACP/10mm length that would allow 9mm or 9mm +p power level in a standard frame 1911 with 15 round capacity.
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Posted: 1/6/2022 10:42:24 AM EST
[#50]
Quote HistoryQuoted: What will make this cartridge thrive is conversion kits for established models like the GLOCK 19 and GLOCK 43X for example. If the average gun aficionado can simply get a conversion barrels for their guns and use their original mags. This will greatly improve its chances. Again, I like variety and I'd like to be able to simply swap out a barrel in my Beretta 92FS Centurion or GLOCK 17L for example. |
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