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Posted: 4/3/2020 2:25:12 PM EST
3M pushes back after Trump orders company to stop exporting N95 masks

WASHINGTON — Manufacturing giant 3M pushed backed against President Trump in a statement on Friday that suggested it would not comply with a White House order to stop exporting masks to Canada and Latin America.

The Trump administration on Thursday invoked the Defense Production Act, compelling 3M to prioritize orders for desperately needed N95 respiratory masks for the US government’s national stockpile.

The Minnesota-based company, one of the largest manufacturers of the masks, said it was looking forward to implementing the order and had already been going “above and beyond” in recent weeks to churn them out as quickly as possible amid the coronavirus pandemic.

But 3M criticized a previously unreported request from the White House that it also stop sending any N95 masks to Latin America and Canada, citing “significant humanitarian implications” given the great need for them in the US and complaints from governors around the country, including New York’s Andrew Cuomo, that they wind up in bidding wars for supplies against each other and other countries.

“The Administration also requested that 3M cease exporting respirators that we currently manufacture in the United States to the Canadian and Latin American markets,” the Friday morning statement read.

“There are, however, significant humanitarian implications of ceasing respirator supplies to healthcare workers in Canada and Latin America, where we are a critical supplier of respirators,” it continued.

The manufacturing company said it feared other countries would retaliate if it stopped exporting masks made in the US, “as some have already done.”

“If that were to occur, the net number of respirators being made available to the United States would actually decrease. That is the opposite of what we and the Administration, on behalf of the American people, both seek.”
Link Posted: 4/3/2020 2:26:37 PM EST
[#1]
We're not asking.
Link Posted: 4/3/2020 2:26:43 PM EST
[#2]
I give it a few days if not hours before they get loved tenderly... trump is done fucking around
Link Posted: 4/3/2020 2:29:03 PM EST
[#3]
Let the politicians worry about the fallout with other countries......I’m sure there are remedies
Link Posted: 4/3/2020 2:29:18 PM EST
[#4]
I'm surprised considering 3M's social media pages have been hounded mercilessly the last 24 hrs by angry Americans.


Link Posted: 4/3/2020 2:30:13 PM EST
[#5]
Maybe it's just me but the ceo of mmm made absolutely no sense to me .  Double speak .

But I'm tired and weary of all the stuff that don't make no sense .


Sounded like what the hobbits said ,  " the closer we are to danger the safer we are ".



gd
Link Posted: 4/3/2020 2:30:14 PM EST
[#6]
I don’t think that’s going to work out well for 3M.
Link Posted: 4/3/2020 2:30:23 PM EST
[#7]
Lol only in America this $hit happens.
Link Posted: 4/3/2020 2:30:41 PM EST
[#8]
LOL good luck 3MAttachment Attached File
Link Posted: 4/3/2020 2:31:16 PM EST
[#9]
His name was 3M.
Link Posted: 4/3/2020 2:31:19 PM EST
[#10]
Will the executive branch of 3M be receiving visitors from the US executive branch today??
Link Posted: 4/3/2020 2:31:40 PM EST
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Link Posted: 4/3/2020 2:31:45 PM EST
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there was a forbes article on the marketing of mask, that people probably haven't seen


Editors' Pick|319,148 views|Mar 30, 2020,04:40am EDT
I Spent A Day In The Coronavirus-Driven Feeding Frenzy Of N95 Mask Sellers And Buyers And This Is What I Learned

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In the interest of brevity, I'm going to summarize what I learned below and then jump into a bit more detail.

   Millions of N95 masks have been available throughout the U.S., Canada and the UK during the pandemic, according to brokers trying to sell them.

   The high price point per mask, driven by extreme demand, has contributed to an overwhelmed reaction among potential buyers, especially in the U.S.

   Scrutiny surrounding these deals is high because of ongoing scams and claims of price-gouging, both of which are triggering emotionally charged reactions and fear of making deals.

   Millions of masks are being purchased by foreign buyers and are leaving the country, according to the brokers, while the domestic need remains alarmingly high.

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By the end of the day, roughly 280 million masks from warehouses around the U.S. had been purchased by foreign buyers and were earmarked to leave the country, according to the broker  and that was in one day.

To his knowledge none of the masks had been purchased by buyers in the U.S.  
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left cold - link is clean, but going to page generate url that has tracker

https://www.forbes.com/sites/daviddisalvo/2020/03/30/i-spent-a-day-in-the-coronavirus-driven-feeding-frenzy-of-n95-mask-sellers-and-buyers-and-this-is-what-i-learned/




Link Posted: 4/3/2020 2:31:50 PM EST
[#13]
Fpni
Link Posted: 4/3/2020 2:31:55 PM EST
[#14]
Link Posted: 4/3/2020 2:32:35 PM EST
[#15]
Ask. Tell. Make. Finally, a worthy time to use it!  
Link Posted: 4/3/2020 2:33:00 PM EST
[#16]
Sounds like it’s time for an audit
Link Posted: 4/3/2020 2:33:02 PM EST
[#17]
3M may shortly find out the National Guard is actual military.
Link Posted: 4/3/2020 2:33:07 PM EST
[#18]
I wanna see Trump stuff it in, then break it off in 3M's Commie asshole.
Link Posted: 4/3/2020 2:33:50 PM EST
[#19]
Glad I got in on the earplug settlement now!
Link Posted: 4/3/2020 2:34:17 PM EST
[#20]
toooooooo fuckingggggg bad.  



Link Posted: 4/3/2020 2:34:25 PM EST
[#21]
Did they fight this hard against China?
Link Posted: 4/3/2020 2:34:31 PM EST
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This^^^^
Link Posted: 4/3/2020 2:34:44 PM EST
[#23]
Lol sounds like they want to get dicked down.
Link Posted: 4/3/2020 2:35:01 PM EST
[#24]
3M has just destroyed their brand value.

Link Posted: 4/3/2020 2:35:34 PM EST
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More like 3M is summoned to appear and explain lol.
Link Posted: 4/3/2020 2:35:47 PM EST
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did you?   how did that go?   ive been avoiding it
Link Posted: 4/3/2020 2:37:02 PM EST
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And having the National Guard out there transporting the masks from the factory throughout the country.
Link Posted: 4/3/2020 2:37:06 PM EST
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Link Posted: 4/3/2020 2:37:13 PM EST
[#29]
Legal eagles-what does the government do now to enforce the NDA?
Link Posted: 4/3/2020 2:37:39 PM EST
[#30]
There's no reason to ship this stuff out of the country other than they are offering you several times the money, up front.

I hope they shove it up their asses.

This is like having a pair of 2's in black jack and saying you want to split them.

America first, then capitalism.  

Link Posted: 4/3/2020 2:38:00 PM EST
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NOPE!

GFY, you Minnesota Commie Bastards.



Link Posted: 4/3/2020 2:39:14 PM EST
[#32]
The demonrats have been screaming for Trump to nationalize private companies and when he simply moves a bit closer to that end they scream bloody murder.

Just shows they are laying traps at every turn.
Link Posted: 4/3/2020 2:39:19 PM EST
[#33]
Oh ok. Well say hello to a bunch of men with M16s now raiding your wherehouses and factories requisitioning said supplies. I hope you and your secretary didnt shit yourselves too badly.

Anything else you’d like to issue in a public statement?
Link Posted: 4/3/2020 2:39:42 PM EST
[#34]
should ship a box of 3M N95s along with the Trump Bucks
Link Posted: 4/3/2020 2:40:40 PM EST
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"The implications of the Defense Production Act aren’t entirely clear, but the president is unlikely to ask Congress to impose wage or price controls on the company, Credit Suisse analyst John Walsh said in a note. Still, he said, “the negative headlines could impact 3M’s consumer business.”

The president is facing mounting pressure from governors and congressional Democrats to use the Korean War-era defense law that gives him sweeping powers to force companies to produce personal protective equipment and ventilators that are in short supply. More than 245,000 people in the U.S. have contracted the virus and more than 6,000 have died, according to Johns Hopkins University..."

Not just consumer business. Engineers can and will design them out. They have just leapt from supplier of first choice to supplier of last resort.
Link Posted: 4/3/2020 2:41:33 PM EST
[#36]
Lol
Link Posted: 4/3/2020 2:41:34 PM EST
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That'll surely keep them working extra shifts to produce more.  
Link Posted: 4/3/2020 2:42:35 PM EST
[#38]
federal prison for 3M executives?
Link Posted: 4/3/2020 2:43:26 PM EST
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I am not sure I even understand their retard logic.  So if we stop selling them to other countries we will actually have less here?  That makes perfect sense.

Currently if I buy a 6 pack of beer and give my buddy 3 bottles I am left with 3.  Using their math if I buy a 6 pack but refuse to give my buddy 3 beers then I will somehow end up only have 2 beers.  Yea...that makes sense.

I can only assume they mean ones made in other countries would not get sent here.   Who else are we getting them from, China?  No one wants a mask from there right now anyway, Ill take my chances and make them here.

I hope folks remember they were willing to screw America during this deal to probably turn a higher profit with non-US sales...
Link Posted: 4/3/2020 2:43:33 PM EST
[#40]
3M · Customer service

1 (888) 364-3577

Link Posted: 4/3/2020 2:44:49 PM EST
[#41]
Dems gonna Dem
Link Posted: 4/3/2020 2:44:54 PM EST
[#42]
Remove the word "Trump" from this story, and replace with "Cuomo."

How would the responses here change?

(Regarding this hypothetical situation above, I am not making a statement, taking a position, or giving an opinion, but merely asking.)

Link Posted: 4/3/2020 2:46:28 PM EST
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That'll surely keep them working extra shifts to produce more.  
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Oh ok. Well say hello to a bunch of men with M16s now raiding your wherehouses and factories requisitioning said supplies. I hope you and your secretary didnt shit yourselves too badly.

Anything else you’d like to issue in a public statement?

That'll surely keep them working extra shifts to produce more.  


Guess what? It ain't the hourlies making the boneheaded decisions to Fuck our country over. It's management.

Link Posted: 4/3/2020 2:46:48 PM EST
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3M has just destroyed their brand value.

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I don’t think Arfcom quite understands how much we rely on 3M. They are far from replaceable.
Link Posted: 4/3/2020 2:47:58 PM EST
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So how do we react if the govt orders PSA to retool and start making ventilators or some shit instead of inexpensive AR's

That said, I think the optics look very shitty on 3M's part
Link Posted: 4/3/2020 2:48:46 PM EST
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I am not sure I even understand their retard logic.  So if we stop selling them to other countries we will actually have less here?  That makes perfect sense.

Currently if I buy a 6 pack of beer and give my buddy 3 bottles I am left with 3.  Using their math if I buy a 6 pack but refuse to give my buddy 3 beers then I will somehow end up only have 2 beers.  Yea...that makes sense.

I can only assume they mean ones made in other countries would not get sent here.   Who else are we getting them from, China?  No one wants a mask from there right now anyway, Ill take my chances and make them here.

I hope folks remember they were willing to screw America during this deal to probably turn a higher profit with non-US sales...
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Unless it's something like "El Salvador has a factory that produces 250% of their mask needs.  If we stop exporting then they could retaliate by not exporting to us."  For so many things we are a net importer, so it could result in us cutting off our nose to spite our face.

That's all I can think of.
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Guess what? It ain't the hourlies making the boneheaded decisions to Fuck our country over. It's management.

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Oh ok. Well say hello to a bunch of men with M16s now raiding your wherehouses and factories requisitioning said supplies. I hope you and your secretary didnt shit yourselves too badly.

Anything else you’d like to issue in a public statement?

That'll surely keep them working extra shifts to produce more.  


Guess what? It ain't the hourlies making the boneheaded decisions to Fuck our country over. It's management.


And if you "requisition" those supplies is management going to continue to pay overtime to have more made just so they can be taken by force again?
Link Posted: 4/3/2020 2:49:52 PM EST
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I've never heard a company report concerns about backlashes from other countries before.  Does 3M think that they're in a diplomatic role or something? Leave that to the fuckin government.  "Sorry Latin America, my gov.says they get stuff first, is what it is."  There ya go.  I mean, is Canada and Latin America putting America first in all this? Doubt it.
Link Posted: 4/3/2020 2:50:22 PM EST
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I am not sure I even understand their retard logic.  So if we stop selling them to other countries we will actually have less here?  That makes perfect sense.

Currently if I buy a 6 pack of beer and give my buddy 3 bottles I am left with 3.  Using their math if I buy a 6 pack but refuse to give my buddy 3 beers then I will somehow end up only have 2 beers.  Yea...that makes sense.

I can only assume they mean ones made in other countries would not get sent here.   Who else are we getting them from, China?  No one wants a mask from there right now anyway, Ill take my chances and make them here.

I hope folks remember they were willing to screw America during this deal to probably turn a higher profit with non-US sales...
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Yeah they're saying the production in Canada and Latin America is greater than USA. If Canada and Latin America stop shipping to USA then we'd have less than if we let 3m go about business as usual. I'd like to see the actual numbers of production for countries besides china.

Link Posted: 4/3/2020 2:50:58 PM EST
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Trump is about to get a dose of how free markets work....
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