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Posted: 4/3/2020 3:35:20 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Ok tough keyboard guy...you can come now. Im 35 minutes from the border. How long should I wait? Gutless... like you would come here. Last time you did we fucking crushed you hard. I live 5 minutes from the battle site. So sure lets do round 2. You want us as an enemy..no problem. Good luck recognizing us in a crowd..as we all look...like you.. Go have a pizza roll kid...its dinner time. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Or maybe we take what we want from you. Ok tough keyboard guy...you can come now. Im 35 minutes from the border. How long should I wait? Gutless... like you would come here. Last time you did we fucking crushed you hard. I live 5 minutes from the battle site. So sure lets do round 2. You want us as an enemy..no problem. Good luck recognizing us in a crowd..as we all look...like you.. Go have a pizza roll kid...its dinner time. Battle for Candian Women and Drugs, 2020 (Colorized)  |
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Posted: 4/3/2020 3:35:29 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I swear some of you treasonous fucks would be moaning "muh liberty" during world war 2. They defiantly would if they were of Japanese ancestry or had their gold seized from their safe deposit box. |
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Posted: 4/3/2020 3:35:30 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: There are lots of manufacturers and lots of distribution channels. The question is, is it better for the established markets to operate, or do we need central planning. Is it necessary? Is there critical shortage? Other then Cuomo screaming, and hospital employees screaming, is there any real evidence that the supply is constrained? The knee jerk desire to go full central planning in every crisis is fascinating to watch. We definitely need central management of some sort, if only to be able to call bullshit and tell some states they are sitting in a million masks ina warehouse that were delivered last week, but some clerk forgot about. I'm not convinced we need to go full commie. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I am not sure I even understand their retard logic. So if we stop selling them to other countries we will actually have less here? That makes perfect sense. Currently if I buy a 6 pack of beer and give my buddy 3 bottles I am left with 3. Using their math if I buy a 6 pack but refuse to give my buddy 3 beers then I will somehow end up only have 2 beers. Yea...that makes sense. I can only assume they mean ones made in other countries would not get sent here. Who else are we getting them from, China? No one wants a mask from there right now anyway, Ill take my chances and make them here. I hope folks remember they were willing to screw America during this deal to probably turn a higher profit with non-US sales... There are lots of manufacturers and lots of distribution channels. The question is, is it better for the established markets to operate, or do we need central planning. Is it necessary? Is there critical shortage? Other then Cuomo screaming, and hospital employees screaming, is there any real evidence that the supply is constrained? The knee jerk desire to go full central planning in every crisis is fascinating to watch. We definitely need central management of some sort, if only to be able to call bullshit and tell some states they are sitting in a million masks ina warehouse that were delivered last week, but some clerk forgot about. I'm not convinced we need to go full commie. |
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Posted: 4/3/2020 3:35:34 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Nationalizing companies won’t make you win anything but the stupid prize. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Interesting to see arfcommers support the same silly leftism as Macron et al. If we don't win there won't be much of a market left. Nationalizing companies won’t make you win anything but the stupid prize. Is there room left on the shelf for another one? |
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Posted: 4/3/2020 3:35:35 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Telling a company what to produce, who to sell it to, and at what price. How close are you at that point?  Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Nationalizes big companies? How has he done that? Are government reps sitting on boards controlling profit? Telling a company what to produce, who to sell it to, and at what price. How close are you at that point? Is that what has happened? |
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Posted: 4/3/2020 3:35:35 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: For a fun monkey wrench, New York apparently seized a shipment of masks being shipped to Massachusetts, which is WHY the New England Patriot's had to send their jet to pick up a new shipment. IF President Trump does this he's evil. If Cuomo does it he's a hero. Welcome to the wonderful world of demonrats and the main stream media. |
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Posted: 4/3/2020 3:35:58 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm confused, are you Russian or Canadian? Sometimes there is no difference due to the parasitic bastard son of Fidel who is our supreme Dictator.. I didnt vote for him... |
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Posted: 4/3/2020 3:36:21 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: This isn’t about “knowing the markets”, we’re in a war* whether you realize it or not, would you have supported Boing selling their B-17s to Germany during WWII and telling the American government to get bent? Because that’s exactly what you’re suggesting. *Whether or not you believe China released the virus intentionally or it was accidental is totally irrelevant, because they are now using this catastrophe as a means of economic and geopolitical warfare, that’s an indisputable fact. The harder private companies here make it for the US while simultaneously making it better for or enemies the longer, harder our recovery will be and more lasting the effects. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: I've never heard a company report concerns about backlashes from other countries before. Does 3M think that they're in a diplomatic role or something? Leave that to the fuckin government. "Sorry Latin America, my gov.says they get stuff first, is what it is." There ya go. I mean, is Canada and Latin America putting America first in all this? Doubt it. Or does 3M know their market better than the federal government and is trying to warn them they are making an error? This isn’t about “knowing the markets”, we’re in a war* whether you realize it or not, would you have supported Boing selling their B-17s to Germany during WWII and telling the American government to get bent? Because that’s exactly what you’re suggesting. *Whether or not you believe China released the virus intentionally or it was accidental is totally irrelevant, because they are now using this catastrophe as a means of economic and geopolitical warfare, that’s an indisputable fact. The harder private companies here make it for the US while simultaneously making it better for or enemies the longer, harder our recovery will be and more lasting the effects. What's your MOS there killer? |
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Posted: 4/3/2020 3:36:21 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Trump is about to get a dose of how free markets work....  The US govt has forced the sale of entire refineries. This could end up becoming an Amazon, Microsoft, ABC, etc etc N95 mask manufacturer by the time this is over.These people are in a neck and neck competition with Bezos to see who can pull off the world's dumbest business decisions. They should probably call him and ask how it feels to lose billions. |
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Posted: 4/3/2020 3:36:51 PM EST
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So a company that makes and distributes a necessary product world wide is now being told that they can only sell to the United States?
If I was the CEO of 3M, I would be putting the wheels in motion to up my manufacturing overseas. See how that works??? |
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Posted: 4/3/2020 3:37:13 PM EST
[#11]
Globalism wins
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Posted: 4/3/2020 3:37:59 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Zero chance of non CBRN making it onto ITAR. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: True. Just make masks ITAR regulated. Zero chance of non CBRN making it onto ITAR. Maybe I'm wrong, but isn't it itar that websites cite when they say they can't ship an ar15 grip screw to another country? |
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Posted: 4/3/2020 3:38:02 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I am not sure I even understand their retard logic. So if we stop selling them to other countries we will actually have less here? That makes perfect sense. Currently if I buy a 6 pack of beer and give my buddy 3 bottles I am left with 3. Using their math if I buy a 6 pack but refuse to give my buddy 3 beers then I will somehow end up only have 2 beers. Yea...that makes sense. I can only assume they mean ones made in other countries would not get sent here. Who else are we getting them from, China? No one wants a mask from there right now anyway, Ill take my chances and make them here. I hope folks remember they were willing to screw America during this deal to probably turn a higher profit with non-US sales... I think what they are trying to say is that if they can't fill most of demand overseas then these countries will end up making something domestically or drastically ramp up domestic production and run 3M out of business in those countries. I think they go on to suggest that situation would hurt 3M here domestically and therefore the US would be down even more masks because the huge lines making these products would not be around because of the lost market share and subsequent cut backs 3M would have to make. IMO it makes sense but also it is a load of shit. IMO they should help America first and the rest of the world gets what the fuck is left over. |
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Posted: 4/3/2020 3:38:10 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: This isn’t about “knowing the markets”, we’re in a war* whether you realize it or not, would you have supported Boing selling their B-17s to Germany during WWII and telling the American government to get bent? Because that’s exactly what you’re suggesting. *Whether or not you believe China released the virus intentionally or it was accidental is totally irrelevant, because they are now using this catastrophe as a means of economic and geopolitical warfare, that’s an indisputable fact. The harder private companies here make it for the US while simultaneously making it better for or enemies the longer, harder our recovery will be and more lasting the effects. @SmilingBandit Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: I've never heard a company report concerns about backlashes from other countries before. Does 3M think that they're in a diplomatic role or something? Leave that to the fuckin government. "Sorry Latin America, my gov.says they get stuff first, is what it is." There ya go. I mean, is Canada and Latin America putting America first in all this? Doubt it. Or does 3M know their market better than the federal government and is trying to warn them they are making an error? This isn’t about “knowing the markets”, we’re in a war* whether you realize it or not, would you have supported Boing selling their B-17s to Germany during WWII and telling the American government to get bent? Because that’s exactly what you’re suggesting. *Whether or not you believe China released the virus intentionally or it was accidental is totally irrelevant, because they are now using this catastrophe as a means of economic and geopolitical warfare, that’s an indisputable fact. The harder private companies here make it for the US while simultaneously making it better for or enemies the longer, harder our recovery will be and more lasting the effects. @SmilingBandit All foreign countries are "enemies" now? |
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Posted: 4/3/2020 3:38:42 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I swear some of you treasonous fucks would be moaning "muh liberty" during world war 2. So valuing liberty is treason now? What the fuck kind of clown world is this? 
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Posted: 4/3/2020 3:39:10 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So a company that makes and distributes a necessary product world wide is now being told that they can only sell to the United States? If I was the CEO of 3M, I would be putting the wheels in motion to up my manufacturing overseas. See how that works??? 3M sells the masks to distributors, then those distributors sell them to the final buyers |
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Posted: 4/3/2020 3:39:37 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: All foreign countries are "enemies" now? labeling them enemies is a bit dramatic. their interests are at odds with our own. |
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Posted: 4/3/2020 3:39:37 PM EST
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Bunch of anti freedom statist authortarians up in here! |
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Posted: 4/3/2020 3:40:36 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Sometimes there is no difference due to the parasitic bastard son of Fidel who is our supreme Dictator.. I didnt vote for him... Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I'm confused, are you Russian or Canadian? Sometimes there is no difference due to the parasitic bastard son of Fidel who is our supreme Dictator.. I didnt vote for him... Yeah I feel ya, it's like those of us who've lost our home states to leftist politicians 
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Posted: 4/3/2020 3:40:43 PM EST
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At some point country comes first. I'm not sure if we are there yet but it may come to that.
I bet we'll still have globalists crying its so unfair. |
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Posted: 4/3/2020 3:40:50 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Maybe I'm wrong, but isn't it itar that websites cite when they say they can't ship an ar15 grip screw to another country? Yes controlled goods through CGD and DOS and a couple other departments. Basically stuff like NODs and various military gear cannot be sold to countries with ITAR without a clear end user certificate. Its a cumbersome process. What it really means for us here on this board is that its a pain to buy some stuff from the US for some gun stuff. Mostly when I cant get it from US I buy from EU... pay abit more but its all legal. ITAR is also in Canada with what we export..all shared shit these days. |
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Posted: 4/3/2020 3:41:04 PM EST
[#22]
This is better than trying to shut down coal businesses.
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Posted: 4/3/2020 3:41:44 PM EST
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So now everyone is ok with the government telling businesses what to do??
You guys are a bunch of hypocrites. As long as the orange Jesus says it's ok....it's ok. Screw freedom. |
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Posted: 4/3/2020 3:41:50 PM EST
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If anyone wants more insight into how Venezuela or Zimbabwe went downhill, one need only look at the rhetoric in this thread, and imagine even greater economic stressors and greater opportunities for scapegoating.
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Posted: 4/3/2020 3:41:56 PM EST
[#25]
Quote HistoryQuoted: This isn’t about “knowing the markets”, we’re in a war* whether you realize it or not, would you have supported Boing selling their B-17s to Germany during WWII and telling the American government to get bent? Because that’s exactly what you’re suggesting. *Whether or not you believe China released the virus intentionally or it was accidental is totally irrelevant, because they are now using this catastrophe as a means of economic and geopolitical warfare, that’s an indisputable fact. The harder private companies here make it for the US while simultaneously making it better for or enemies the longer and harder our recovery will be and more lasting the effects. Comparing this situation to WW2 is probably the dumbest thing I've read this week, although I'll admit it's only Friday afternoon. Luckily, someone might outdo you. |
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Posted: 4/3/2020 3:41:59 PM EST
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Every post on their FB page is anti-3M.
Lol. PR nightmare mfers. |
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Posted: 4/3/2020 3:42:11 PM EST
[#27]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Yeah I feel ya, it's like those of us who've lost our home states to leftist politicians Ten years ago I thought Arfcom should take over like Idaho or Montana and declare it a new nation... we would have good times. |
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Posted: 4/3/2020 3:42:29 PM EST
[#28]
More socialism.
You WILL make this product! You WILL sell it to us only! You WILL take what we give you for it! OR ELSE! Socialism. In the end, we'll have warehouses full of unused, expired N95 masks. |
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Posted: 4/3/2020 3:43:13 PM EST
[#29]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Trump is about to get a dose of how free markets work.... Lol, derp. |
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Posted: 4/3/2020 3:43:41 PM EST
[#30]
Quote HistoryQuoted: If anyone wants more insight into how Venezuela or Zimbabwe went downhill, one need only look at the rhetoric in this thread, and imagine even greater economic stressors and greater opportunities for scapegoating. So your saying marxism, protectionism and isolationism will not work well in the long run?   Odd how it takes alittle heat in the kitchen to make some panic and scream goverment help me!!!! Fuck the individual long live the collective.. Or not 
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Posted: 4/3/2020 3:44:04 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Legal eagles-what does the government do now to enforce the NDA? Block all their shipments at the ports for detailed inspection? |
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Posted: 4/3/2020 3:44:36 PM EST
[#32]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The US govt has forced the sale of entire refineries. This could end up becoming an Amazon, Microsoft, ABC, etc etc N95 mask manufacturer by the time this is over.These people are in a neck and neck competition with Bezos to see who can pull off the world's dumbest business decisions. They should probably call him and ask how it feels to lose billions. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Trump is about to get a dose of how free markets work.... The US govt has forced the sale of entire refineries. This could end up becoming an Amazon, Microsoft, ABC, etc etc N95 mask manufacturer by the time this is over.These people are in a neck and neck competition with Bezos to see who can pull off the world's dumbest business decisions. They should probably call him and ask how it feels to lose billions. Lol, they don't know how to make them effeciently in high quantities like 3M. It's even more difficult when all "non-essential" business is closed. The free market wills it but they won't let it be free. |
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Posted: 4/3/2020 3:44:47 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Comparing this situation to WW2 is probably the dumbest thing I've read this week, although I'll admit it's only Friday afternoon. Luckily, someone might outdo you. I see similarities to WW2 and The Great Depression. |
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Posted: 4/3/2020 3:45:20 PM EST
[#34]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I've never heard a company report concerns about backlashes from other countries before. Does 3M think that they're in a diplomatic role or something? Leave that to the fuckin government. "Sorry Latin America, my gov.says they get stuff first, is what it is." There ya go. I mean, is Canada and Latin America putting America first in all this? Doubt it. 3M is very tactfully telling Trump "we're willing to put everything on hold to increase production of these things, but we are not going to restrict ourselves to doing business with you alone, so you can hang us out to dry once this is all over & our international contacts have moved on to other business partners." I wonder how many companies we end up driving overseas from this shit...or if we'll try to keep them here under threat of nationalization
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Posted: 4/3/2020 3:47:33 PM EST
[#35]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Trump is about to get a dose of how free markets work.... Sure buddy. Free markets under a National Emergency with the DPA activated. Someone's gonna get a dose of something that's for sure but it ain't Trump. |
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Posted: 4/3/2020 3:47:37 PM EST
[#36]
So you guys are ok with socialism.....as long as the orange Jesus says it's ok?? Pathetic!
National Emergency? The WORLD death toll isn't even as bad as a bad flu season in the US. |
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Posted: 4/3/2020 3:47:50 PM EST
[#37]
Quote HistoryQuoted: labeling them enemies is a bit dramatic. their interests are at odds with our own. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: All foreign countries are "enemies" now? labeling them enemies is a bit dramatic. their interests are at odds with our own. Invisible enemies don't care where you're from. |
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Posted: 4/3/2020 3:49:04 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Remove the word "Trump" from this story, and replace with "Cuomo." How would the responses here change? (Regarding this hypothetical situation above, I am not making a statement, taking a position, or giving an opinion, but merely asking.) Or Obama... |
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Posted: 4/3/2020 3:49:41 PM EST
[#39]
Quote HistoryQuoted: 3M is very tactfully telling Trump "we're willing to put everything on hold to increase production of these things, but we are not going to restrict ourselves to doing business with you alone, so you can hang us out to dry once this is all over & our international contacts have moved on to other business partners." I wonder how many companies we end up driving overseas from this shit...or if we'll try to keep them here under threat of nationalization Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I've never heard a company report concerns about backlashes from other countries before. Does 3M think that they're in a diplomatic role or something? Leave that to the fuckin government. "Sorry Latin America, my gov.says they get stuff first, is what it is." There ya go. I mean, is Canada and Latin America putting America first in all this? Doubt it. 3M is very tactfully telling Trump "we're willing to put everything on hold to increase production of these things, but we are not going to restrict ourselves to doing business with you alone, so you can hang us out to dry once this is all over & our international contacts have moved on to other business partners." I wonder how many companies we end up driving overseas from this shit...or if we'll try to keep them here under threat of nationalization 3M also knows that they can produce this stuff at a far higher rate than it will need to be consumed even per the worst scenarios, and that 87% of the screeching is irrational nonsense mudslinging as states all compete with each other for the "hoarder of the year" trophy. The supply is there. The distribution is the problem. 3M filling warehouses with more won't fix that. |
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Posted: 4/3/2020 3:49:51 PM EST
[#40]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Lol, derp. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Trump is about to get a dose of how free markets work.... Lol, derp. He's right. |
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Posted: 4/3/2020 3:50:00 PM EST
[#41]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Sure buddy. Free markets under a National Emergency with the DPA activated. Someone's gonna get a dose of something that's for sure but it ain't Trump. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Trump is about to get a dose of how free markets work.... Sure buddy. Free markets under a National Emergency with the DPA activated. Someone's gonna get a dose of something that's for sure but it ain't Trump. Trump can push as hard as he wants but the economy is in the "off" position right now. Someone should tell him. |
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Posted: 4/3/2020 3:50:01 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: What ever gave you the impression this is currently a free market situation? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Trump is about to get a dose of how free markets work.... What ever gave you the impression this is currently a free market situation? Not anymore, I suppose; all that's left is the zero-sum game of who controls the market, then, and to literally kill the other guy so he can't take power later.
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Posted: 4/3/2020 3:50:47 PM EST
[#43]
"If that were to occur, the net number of respirators being made available to the United States would actually decrease. That is the opposite of what we and the Administration, on behalf of the American people, both seek."
What??? |
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Posted: 4/3/2020 3:54:00 PM EST
[#44]
Quote HistoryQuoted: "If that were to occur, the net number of respirators being made available to the United States would actually decrease. That is the opposite of what we and the Administration, on behalf of the American people, both seek." What??? Because 3M understand the nature of the global marketplace, and what channels are most efficient. They probably know better than anyone. We have this same problem when we have oil threads, and people want the U.S. to go full PEMEX. |
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Posted: 4/3/2020 3:56:48 PM EST
[#45]
Quote HistoryQuoted: So you guys are ok with socialism.....as long as the orange Jesus says it's ok?? Pathetic! Where's the socialism? Impart your gems of wisdom on us! The alleged action by 3M and/or distributors: take orders from US government entities. Push said orders down in the priority list when foreign buyers "came with cash in hand" outbid the original order. Filled foreign orders and told US customers to pound sand. Doing this on the EE of this very forum would get you a swift ban. Even in the best of times this is a scummy, unethical practice. Probably amounting to fraud, since it involves non-performance to a contract (the established order that was placed). In times of a national emergency this brushes up really close to treason. How is cracking down on this douchbaggery socialism? Can you explain? American companies must serve US customers first in a declared crisis situation. No excuses, no exceptions. Simple concept that should not even need to be said. It should be blatantly obvious to anyone who loves this country. Clearly 3M execs have divided loyalties. On top of all that you can bet their contracts have all kinds of clauses dealing with war, natural disaster, Force Majeure, etc. that allow them flexibility in deciding where their products go. It wasn't a legal issue. It was a profiteering issue and an issue of total lack of patriotism. |
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Posted: 4/3/2020 3:56:54 PM EST
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Sorry, but "make it here, use it here" isn't how global commerce works these days.
3M deliberately set up vendors and distributors so they didn't need to sort out the market details. Vendors and distributors scream for more product and 3M obliges. It's not 3M's problem. It's a market reality problem. 3M is cranking out 10 million masks a week and all the while shipping containers full of masks are headed to and from various nations. Americans are ordering from Asia, Asia is ordering from the US, it's market chaos driving the demand and panic buying of the product. The market is working as it should. If you really want that load of masks, wave cash in the face of the person that makes the decision. While all of that is going on people are 3d printing masks, sewing masks and innovating ways to sanitize and reuse masks. That's the market at work. Sure, we can keep all of the domestically made masks here. No problem. Now what are you going to do when Asia won't ship gloves, sanitizer bottles, cheap plastic pumps, aerosol pumps or even worse, the raw materials needed to make 10 million masks per week? Is fedgov going to disband the EPA so Americans can make those products at competitive prices? Doubtful. 3M need global supply to manufacture. The US needs global supply to manufacture critical items. Telling the world to fuck off and make their own N95's will end badly. 3M is a multi-national powerhouse who operates for profit, not a clusterfuck of bureaucrats and politicians trying to get reelected. I understand the concern, but this is some retarded SJW level shit akin to affirmative action creating more racism and tension than it ever cured. Sure the Feds may crush their nuts over this, but it's a mistake in my opinion. A tweet and an emotional news segment is all it takes for GD to go from "shall not be infringed" to "from each according to his ability, to each according to his need." Sad. |
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Posted: 4/3/2020 3:56:55 PM EST
[#47]
Unpossible! It’s never happened before!
 
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Posted: 4/3/2020 3:57:25 PM EST
[#48]
Self righteous corporate assholes. You make masks, do what you are good at and only that.
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Posted: 4/3/2020 3:58:12 PM EST
[#49]
Quote HistoryQuoted: So you guys are ok with socialism.....as long as the orange Jesus says it's ok?? Pathetic! National Emergency? The WORLD death toll isn't even as bad as a bad flu season in the US. Do not disrupt the echo chamber. You'll upset the herd. |
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Posted: 4/3/2020 3:59:00 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Sounds like 3M is becoming an enemy of the USA. Send in the Marine Corps. The only enemies of this nation are people like you. You write like a full-fledged Nazi. No exaggeration, no ad-hominem, no attempt to provoke a reaction; your posts truly read like those of a national-socialist who wants the state to assume dictatorial power over the economy and crush its perceived enemies. This is disgusting, un-American, and an embarrassment to the forum. If you aren't a Nazi or don't aspire to be one, I'd suggest asking yourself some hard personal questions about how you view the world. Good day, sir. |
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