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Posted: 4/3/2020 4:00:19 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Does 3M hire crony capitalist trolls? If so they could find quite a few here that would bat for them. |
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Posted: 4/3/2020 4:00:41 PM EST
[#2]
What’s all this talk about freedom and free market capitalism?
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Posted: 4/3/2020 4:01:10 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Self righteous corporate assholes. You make masks, do what you are good at and only that. They are trying to do what they are good at. And now the government is saying that the government knows how to do it better. |
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Posted: 4/3/2020 4:01:24 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Edgy kid arent you... have a look at how many US states get the bulk of their cheap prescription meds from Canada. So you say fuck us all huh? Maybe we turn off the drug flow and you will die. Or we all stay friends and work through this as we both share the same continent and largely the same way of life.. But again..you be edgy little fella..  Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: The same. Fuck other countries. Edgy kid arent you... have a look at how many US states get the bulk of their cheap prescription meds from Canada. So you say fuck us all huh? Maybe we turn off the drug flow and you will die. Or we all stay friends and work through this as we both share the same continent and largely the same way of life.. But again..you be edgy little fella.. Fuck Canada |
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Posted: 4/3/2020 4:01:29 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: 3M also knows that they can produce this stuff at a far higher rate than it will need to be consumed even per the worst scenarios, and that 87% of the screeching is irrational nonsense mudslinging as states all compete with each other for the "hoarder of the year" trophy. The supply is there. The distribution is the problem. 3M filling warehouses with more won't fix that. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: I've never heard a company report concerns about backlashes from other countries before. Does 3M think that they're in a diplomatic role or something? Leave that to the fuckin government. "Sorry Latin America, my gov.says they get stuff first, is what it is." There ya go. I mean, is Canada and Latin America putting America first in all this? Doubt it. 3M is very tactfully telling Trump "we're willing to put everything on hold to increase production of these things, but we are not going to restrict ourselves to doing business with you alone, so you can hang us out to dry once this is all over & our international contacts have moved on to other business partners." I wonder how many companies we end up driving overseas from this shit...or if we'll try to keep them here under threat of nationalization  3M also knows that they can produce this stuff at a far higher rate than it will need to be consumed even per the worst scenarios, and that 87% of the screeching is irrational nonsense mudslinging as states all compete with each other for the "hoarder of the year" trophy. The supply is there. The distribution is the problem. 3M filling warehouses with more won't fix that. Maybe in 30 years Varusteleka will buy our expired, unused masks at scrap prices and sell them to foreign neckbeards? To think of all the shit we give the Russians about their poor choices... |
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Posted: 4/3/2020 4:01:48 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Sorry, but "make it here, use it here" isn't how global commerce works these days. 3M deliberately set up vendors and distributors so they didn't need to sort out the market details. Vendors and distributors scream for more product and 3M obliges. It's not 3M's problem. It's a market reality problem. 3M is cranking out 10 million masks a week and all the while shipping containers full of masks are headed to and from various nations. Americans are ordering from Asia, Asia is ordering from the US, it's market chaos driving the demand and panic buying of the product. The market is working as it should. If you really want that load of masks, wave cash in the face of the person that makes the decision. While all of that is going on people are 3d printing masks, sewing masks and innovating ways to sanitize and reuse masks. That's the market at work. Sure, we can keep all of the domestically made masks here. No problem. Now what are you going to do when Asia won't ship gloves, sanitizer bottles, cheap plastic pumps, aerosol pumps or even worse, the raw materials needed to make 10 million masks per week? Is fedgov going to disband the EPA so Americans can make those products at competitive prices? Doubtful. 3M need global supply to manufacture. The US needs global supply to manufacture critical items. Telling the world to fuck off and make their own N95's will end badly. 3M is a multi-national powerhouse who operates for profit, not a clusterfuck of bureaucrats and politicians trying to get reelected. I understand the concern, but this is some retarded SJW level shit akin to affirmative action creating more racism and tension than it ever cured. Sure the Feds may crush their nuts over this, but it's a mistake in my opinion. A tweet and an emotional news segment is all it takes for GD to go from "shall not be infringed" to "from each according to his ability, to each according to his need." Sad. What this guy said. |
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Posted: 4/3/2020 4:02:01 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: We're not asking. this |
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Posted: 4/3/2020 4:02:04 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So a company that makes and distributes a necessary product world wide is now being told that they can only sell to the United States? If I was the CEO of 3M, I would be putting the wheels in motion to up my manufacturing overseas. See how that works??? IF 3M is considered a US company then meeting the needs of the US during a time of national emergency should be paramount..if they wish to put the global community as a whole in front of the USA...thats fine...but there MAY be consequences that go with it... |
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Posted: 4/3/2020 4:03:32 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: We're not asking. And what about the humanitarian need here? |
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Posted: 4/3/2020 4:03:35 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Trump can push as hard as he wants but the economy is in the "off" position right now. Someone should tell him. How you say, "push a rope?" |
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Posted: 4/3/2020 4:03:44 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Self righteous corporate assholes. You make masks, do what you are good at and only that. 3M is huge. Masks are a tiny bit of their global business. I buy ceramic products and other chemicals from 3M. |
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Posted: 4/3/2020 4:03:48 PM EST
[#12]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Do not disrupt the echo chamber. You'll upset the herd. Yeah.....most people in GD seem to turn their brains off and go with the heard. This is America...they can sell their products to whomever they want. This isn't war times. 3M makes a ton of products, and they are a great and innovative company. Just because it's God Trump busting their balls....it doesn't make it right. |
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Posted: 4/3/2020 4:03:56 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: They are going to rack up some frequent flier miles. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/66085/3m-company-at-barclays-capital-industria-1348853.JPG Going from that they really aren't a us company. Unless there are us locations that aren't on that graphic. |
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Posted: 4/3/2020 4:05:34 PM EST
[#14]
Edited ~ medicmandan
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Posted: 4/3/2020 4:06:03 PM EST
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I'd consider shutting the fucking plant down Hank Rearden style.
Fuck this commie shit. |
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Posted: 4/3/2020 4:06:14 PM EST
[#16]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I am not sure I even understand their retard logic. So if we stop selling them to other countries we will actually have less here? That makes perfect sense. Currently if I buy a 6 pack of beer and give my buddy 3 bottles I am left with 3. Using their math if I buy a 6 pack but refuse to give my buddy 3 beers then I will somehow end up only have 2 beers. Yea...that makes sense. I can only assume they mean ones made in other countries would not get sent here. Who else are we getting them from, China? No one wants a mask from there right now anyway, Ill take my chances and make them here. I hope folks remember they were willing to screw America during this deal to probably turn a higher profit with non-US sales... They are basically saying if they cut supplies to foreign buyers those buyers will seek other manufacturers elsewhere (like China) which reduces their manufacturing through loss of sales. They’re saying this would have a backlash that would cripple domestic production in the future. |
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Posted: 4/3/2020 4:07:01 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Or maybe we take what we want from you. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: The same. Fuck other countries. Edgy kid arent you... have a look at how many US states get the bulk of their cheap prescription meds from Canada. So you say fuck us all huh? Maybe we turn off the drug flow and you will die. Or we all stay friends and work through this as we both share the same continent and largely the same way of life.. But again..you be edgy little fella.. Or maybe we take what we want from you. Wow, you're a real winner...
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Posted: 4/3/2020 4:07:20 PM EST
[#18]
3m admin are woke or what?
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Posted: 4/3/2020 4:07:22 PM EST
[#19]
Quote HistoryQuoted: And what about the humanitarian need here? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: We're not asking. And what about the humanitarian need here? What about them? |
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Posted: 4/3/2020 4:07:26 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yeah.....most people in GD seem to turn their brains off and go with the heard. This is America...they can sell their products to whomever they want. This isn't war times. 3M makes a ton of products, and they are a great and innovative company. Just because it's God Trump busting their balls....it doesn't make it right. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Do not disrupt the echo chamber. You'll upset the herd. Yeah.....most people in GD seem to turn their brains off and go with the heard. This is America...they can sell their products to whomever they want. This isn't war times. 3M makes a ton of products, and they are a great and innovative company. Just because it's God Trump busting their balls....it doesn't make it right. And just because because with you, doesn't mean comparing the official numbers for the outbreak of a disease on only its 4th month makes any fucking sense relative to the totality of the estimated numbers for a bad flu season. |
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Posted: 4/3/2020 4:07:29 PM EST
[#21]
Quote HistoryQuoted: They are trying to do what they are good at. And now the government is saying that the government knows how to do it better. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Self righteous corporate assholes. You make masks, do what you are good at and only that. They are trying to do what they are good at. And now the government is saying that the government knows how to do it better. Smart money says that is likely not the case 
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Posted: 4/3/2020 4:07:43 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Going from that they really aren't a us company. Unless there are us locations that aren't on that graphic. There are a ton of US locations that aren't on that map. Chico CA, Springfield MO, Minnesota...etc,etc . They have around 80 facilities in the US. |
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Posted: 4/3/2020 4:08:08 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Your dick isnt big enough kid.. in fact, I bet you couldnt even fuck a teaspoon of sand... Anything else you want to add hero? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Fuck Canada Your dick isnt big enough kid.. in fact, I bet you couldnt even fuck a teaspoon of sand... Anything else you want to add hero? Fuck canada  Edit Btw u quoted me b4 I could fix it. Meant for blame canada the 1st time. Swipe to type auto changed it But mines bigger than yours
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Posted: 4/3/2020 4:08:50 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: They are basically saying if they cut supplies to foreign buyers those buyers will seek other manufacturers elsewhere (like China) which reduces their manufacturing through loss of sales. They’re saying this would have a backlash that would cripple domestic production in the future. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I am not sure I even understand their retard logic. So if we stop selling them to other countries we will actually have less here? That makes perfect sense. Currently if I buy a 6 pack of beer and give my buddy 3 bottles I am left with 3. Using their math if I buy a 6 pack but refuse to give my buddy 3 beers then I will somehow end up only have 2 beers. Yea...that makes sense. I can only assume they mean ones made in other countries would not get sent here. Who else are we getting them from, China? No one wants a mask from there right now anyway, Ill take my chances and make them here. I hope folks remember they were willing to screw America during this deal to probably turn a higher profit with non-US sales... They are basically saying if they cut supplies to foreign buyers those buyers will seek other manufacturers elsewhere (like China) which reduces their manufacturing through loss of sales. They’re saying this would have a backlash that would cripple domestic production in the future. The ripple effect of disruption of supply chains if the U.S. starts a knee jerk nationalization trend will be devastating to the supply. |
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Posted: 4/3/2020 4:10:15 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: There are lots of manufacturers and lots of distribution channels. The question is, is it better for the established markets to operate, or do we need central planning. s it necessary? Is there critical shortage? Other then Cuomo screaming, and hospital employees screaming, is there any real evidence that the supply is constrained? The knee jerk desire to go full central planning in every crisis is fascinating to watch. We definitely need central management of some sort, if only to be able to call bullshit and tell some states they are sitting in a million masks ina warehouse that were delivered last week, but some clerk forgot about. I'm not convinced we need to go full commie. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I am not sure I even understand their retard logic. So if we stop selling them to other countries we will actually have less here? That makes perfect sense. Currently if I buy a 6 pack of beer and give my buddy 3 bottles I am left with 3. Using their math if I buy a 6 pack but refuse to give my buddy 3 beers then I will somehow end up only have 2 beers. Yea...that makes sense. I can only assume they mean ones made in other countries would not get sent here. Who else are we getting them from, China? No one wants a mask from there right now anyway, Ill take my chances and make them here. I hope folks remember they were willing to screw America during this deal to probably turn a higher profit with non-US sales... There are lots of manufacturers and lots of distribution channels. The question is, is it better for the established markets to operate, or do we need central planning. s it necessary? Is there critical shortage? Other then Cuomo screaming, and hospital employees screaming, is there any real evidence that the supply is constrained? The knee jerk desire to go full central planning in every crisis is fascinating to watch. We definitely need central management of some sort, if only to be able to call bullshit and tell some states they are sitting in a million masks ina warehouse that were delivered last week, but some clerk forgot about. I'm not convinced we need to go full commie. Yes, there’s actually a critical shortage, for US buyers, and yes, 3M and their distributors are facilitating it. According to the director of the Florida Division of Emergency Management what’s happening is that he’s had an order for millons of masks over a month that keeps getting bumped because foreign buyers keep showing up with wads of cash. 3M doesn’t sell directly to customers, including states, and is aware of all the fuckery with their distributors but won’t attempt to help. @Bohr_Adam ETA: https://sports.yahoo.com/amphtml/florida-official-says-3m-selling-002448142.html |
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Posted: 4/3/2020 4:10:22 PM EST
[#26]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The ripple effect of disruption of supply chains if the U.S. starts a knee jerk nationalization trend will be devastating to the supply. Most people here can't even begin to wrap their mind around that.........and they also think 3M just makes masks and tape...  8 billion in sales last year..... |
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Posted: 4/3/2020 4:10:25 PM EST
[#27]
Quote HistoryQuoted: How you say, "push a rope?" Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Trump can push as hard as he wants but the economy is in the "off" position right now. Someone should tell him. How you say, "push a rope?" The first thing to try when you are troubleshooting your printer. 1. Is it plugged in? |
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Posted: 4/3/2020 4:10:34 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Sorry, but "make it here, use it here" isn't how global commerce works these days. |
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Posted: 4/3/2020 4:11:55 PM EST
[#29]
Regarding the worry about international retaliation, it's possible 3m is worried about raw materials for PPE that 3m makes domestically, being withheld.
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Posted: 4/3/2020 4:12:08 PM EST
[#30]
After the hospitals get theirs. They should start to resupply the hardware stores so that people can get them
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Posted: 4/3/2020 4:14:38 PM EST
[#31]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Yes, there's actually a critical shortage, for US buyers, and yes, 3M and their distributors are facilitating it. According to the director of the Florida Division of Emergency Management what's happening is that he's had an order for millons of masks over a month that keeps getting bumped because foreign buyers keep showing up with wads of cash. 3M doesn't sell directly to customers, including states, and is aware of all the fuckery with their distributors but won't attempt to help. @Bohr_Adam |
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Posted: 4/3/2020 4:15:03 PM EST
[#32]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Regarding the worry about international retaliation, it's possible 3m is worried about raw materials for PPE that 3m makes domestically, being withheld. So what if, 3M needed a way to say "guys it's not our fault" to their overseas commitment? And "Soooo Trump got pissed off and decided to use the D.P.A. sorry guys." happens. That would get them off the hook. Now it's "not 3Ms fault", and we get what we need, 3M getting a pass with its customers, their hands are tied after slapping the American public. |
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Posted: 4/3/2020 4:15:08 PM EST
[#33]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Yes, there’s actually a critical shortage, for US buyers, and yes, 3M and their distributors are facilitating it. According to the director of the Florida Division of Emergency Management what’s happening is that he’s had an order for millons of masks over a month that keeps getting bumped because foreign buyers keep showing up with wads of cash. 3M doesn’t sell directly to customers, including states, and is aware of all the fuckery with their distributors but won’t attempt to help. @Bohr_Adam Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: I am not sure I even understand their retard logic. So if we stop selling them to other countries we will actually have less here? That makes perfect sense. Currently if I buy a 6 pack of beer and give my buddy 3 bottles I am left with 3. Using their math if I buy a 6 pack but refuse to give my buddy 3 beers then I will somehow end up only have 2 beers. Yea...that makes sense. I can only assume they mean ones made in other countries would not get sent here. Who else are we getting them from, China? No one wants a mask from there right now anyway, Ill take my chances and make them here. I hope folks remember they were willing to screw America during this deal to probably turn a higher profit with non-US sales... There are lots of manufacturers and lots of distribution channels. The question is, is it better for the established markets to operate, or do we need central planning. s it necessary? Is there critical shortage? Other then Cuomo screaming, and hospital employees screaming, is there any real evidence that the supply is constrained? The knee jerk desire to go full central planning in every crisis is fascinating to watch. We definitely need central management of some sort, if only to be able to call bullshit and tell some states they are sitting in a million masks ina warehouse that were delivered last week, but some clerk forgot about. I'm not convinced we need to go full commie. Yes, there’s actually a critical shortage, for US buyers, and yes, 3M and their distributors are facilitating it. According to the director of the Florida Division of Emergency Management what’s happening is that he’s had an order for millons of masks over a month that keeps getting bumped because foreign buyers keep showing up with wads of cash. 3M doesn’t sell directly to customers, including states, and is aware of all the fuckery with their distributors but won’t attempt to help. @Bohr_Adam Why do you hate the free market? Are you some kind of communist? 
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Posted: 4/3/2020 4:15:16 PM EST
[#34]
With companies like 3M...how are we supposed to fight a war?
Fuck 3M |
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Posted: 4/3/2020 4:16:02 PM EST
[#35]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Fuck canada Edit Btw u quoted me b4 I could fix it. Meant for blame canada the 1st time. Swipe to type auto changed it But mines bigger than yours Well I dont want to look at yours. However if you want to gaze at my meat...I guess thats on you. Not my style..but hey who am I to interfere with your...choices 
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Posted: 4/3/2020 4:16:33 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Wow, you're a real winner... Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: The same. Fuck other countries. Edgy kid arent you... have a look at how many US states get the bulk of their cheap prescription meds from Canada. So you say fuck us all huh? Maybe we turn off the drug flow and you will die. Or we all stay friends and work through this as we both share the same continent and largely the same way of life.. But again..you be edgy little fella.. Or maybe we take what we want from you. Wow, you're a real winner... I like countries who aren't captured. |
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Posted: 4/3/2020 4:16:42 PM EST
[#37]
Quote HistoryQuoted: They are basically saying if they cut supplies to foreign buyers those buyers will seek other manufacturers elsewhere (like China) which reduces their manufacturing through loss of sales. They're saying this would have a backlash that would cripple domestic production in the future. This virus is going to be around a while. There will be plenty of time for 3M to adjust, and there is plenty of market in the US. I have four masks, three in wrapping. I'd buy lots more if they were the same price as these were, and I'd use them while going out. I am sure other people are the same. My need for masks and desire to buy them has gone up by about ten thousand times. There is plenty of market here. They are full of shit. The chinaman influence has gotten into their brains. |
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Posted: 4/3/2020 4:17:37 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Regarding the worry about international retaliation, it's possible 3m is worried about raw materials for PPE that 3m makes domestically, being withheld. And not just that but would any of those materials be made or processed by companies in the states deemed "non essential" by chance? Made in USA is impossible right now. |
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Posted: 4/3/2020 4:18:54 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So how do we react if the govt orders PSA to retool and start making ventilators or some shit instead of inexpensive AR's That said, I think the optics look very shitty on 3M's part I think its more along the lines of if the govt said to psa we need your rifles and we need you to sell them to us Instead of foreign countries. Theyre still getting paid for the goods they produce, just prioritizing who they sell them to during a national emergency situation. |
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Posted: 4/3/2020 4:19:01 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Global commerce was shot in the fucking head in a chinese wet market when a bio-weapon escaped from a lab some time back in November. That's the type of shit that will drive a board of directors to off-shore the HQ and deny said aggressive federal government the taxes generated from billions in annual sales. |
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Posted: 4/3/2020 4:19:04 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I like countries who aren't captured. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: The same. Fuck other countries. Edgy kid arent you... have a look at how many US states get the bulk of their cheap prescription meds from Canada. So you say fuck us all huh? Maybe we turn off the drug flow and you will die. Or we all stay friends and work through this as we both share the same continent and largely the same way of life.. But again..you be edgy little fella.. Or maybe we take what we want from you. Wow, you're a real winner... I like countries who aren't captured. I like businesses that don't get captured.
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Posted: 4/3/2020 4:22:05 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: With companies like 3M...how are we supposed to fight a war? Fuck 3M We couldn't fight one very well without 3M but don't let that slow you down any. Rabble rabble. |
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Posted: 4/3/2020 4:22:18 PM EST
[#43]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Yeah.....most people in GD seem to turn their brains off and go with the heard. This is America...they can sell their products to whomever they want. This isn't war times. 3M makes a ton of products, and they are a great and innovative company. Just because it's God Trump busting their balls....it doesn't make it right. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Do not disrupt the echo chamber. You'll upset the herd. Yeah.....most people in GD seem to turn their brains off and go with the heard. This is America...they can sell their products to whomever they want. This isn't war times. 3M makes a ton of products, and they are a great and innovative company. Just because it's God Trump busting their balls....it doesn't make it right. This is America...they can sell their products to whomever they want Does America give them tax breaks? |
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Posted: 4/3/2020 4:22:33 PM EST
[#44]
Quote HistoryQuoted: With companies like 3M...how are we supposed to fight a war? Fuck 3M There is no war... |
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Posted: 4/3/2020 4:22:51 PM EST
[#45]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The ripple effect of disruption of supply chains if the U.S. starts a knee jerk nationalization trend will be devastating to the supply. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: I am not sure I even understand their retard logic. So if we stop selling them to other countries we will actually have less here? That makes perfect sense. Currently if I buy a 6 pack of beer and give my buddy 3 bottles I am left with 3. Using their math if I buy a 6 pack but refuse to give my buddy 3 beers then I will somehow end up only have 2 beers. Yea...that makes sense. I can only assume they mean ones made in other countries would not get sent here. Who else are we getting them from, China? No one wants a mask from there right now anyway, Ill take my chances and make them here. I hope folks remember they were willing to screw America during this deal to probably turn a higher profit with non-US sales... They are basically saying if they cut supplies to foreign buyers those buyers will seek other manufacturers elsewhere (like China) which reduces their manufacturing through loss of sales. They’re saying this would have a backlash that would cripple domestic production in the future. The ripple effect of disruption of supply chains if the U.S. starts a knee jerk nationalization trend will be devastating to the supply. That's not true! That's impossible! 
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Posted: 4/3/2020 4:23:00 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Sounds like the director of the Florida Division of Emergency Management needs to send a minion with a bag of cash to the 3M plant. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Yes, there's actually a critical shortage, for US buyers, and yes, 3M and their distributors are facilitating it. According to the director of the Florida Division of Emergency Management what's happening is that he's had an order for millons of masks over a month that keeps getting bumped because foreign buyers keep showing up with wads of cash. 3M doesn't sell directly to customers, including states, and is aware of all the fuckery with their distributors but won't attempt to help. @Bohr_Adam What this underscores for me me is why the federal government needs to get visibility on the supply situation. Real visibility. Knee jerk responses aren't fixing anything. The feds have done nothing to gain visibility on the supplies being produced, with distributors, and controlled by the states/hospitals. |
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Posted: 4/3/2020 4:24:00 PM EST
[#47]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Why do you hate the free market? Are you some kind of communist? Quote HistoryQuoted: Why do you hate the free market? Are you some kind of communist? Quoted: This isn’t about “knowing the markets”, we’re in a war* whether you realize it or not, would you have supported Boing selling their B-17s to Germany during WWII and telling the American government to get bent? Because that’s exactly what you’re suggesting. *Whether or not you believe China released the virus intentionally or it was accidental is totally irrelevant, because they are now using this catastrophe as a means of economic and geopolitical warfare, that’s an indisputable fact. The harder private companies here make it for the US while simultaneously making it better for or enemies the longer and harder our recovery will be and more lasting the effects. @confusiussaid |
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Posted: 4/3/2020 4:24:13 PM EST
[#48]
3M seems to be under the impression that globalism is still going to be a thing after this.
Also I have to laugh at how politically tone-deaf the people are that are pro-quarantine, but also taking 3M's side in this. The government just forced tens of millions of people out of work, and forced every small business to risk bankruptcy so it's kind of late to start hand-wringing about free markets. |
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Posted: 4/3/2020 4:24:29 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yes, there’s actually a critical shortage, for US buyers, and yes, 3M and their distributors are facilitating it. According to the director of the Florida Division of Emergency Management what’s happening is that he’s had an order for millons of masks over a month that keeps getting bumped because foreign buyers keep showing up with wads of cash. 3M doesn’t sell directly to customers, including states, and is aware of all the fuckery with their distributors but won’t attempt to help. @Bohr_Adam ETA: https://sports.yahoo.com/amphtml/florida-official-says-3m-selling-002448142.html Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: I am not sure I even understand their retard logic. So if we stop selling them to other countries we will actually have less here? That makes perfect sense. Currently if I buy a 6 pack of beer and give my buddy 3 bottles I am left with 3. Using their math if I buy a 6 pack but refuse to give my buddy 3 beers then I will somehow end up only have 2 beers. Yea...that makes sense. I can only assume they mean ones made in other countries would not get sent here. Who else are we getting them from, China? No one wants a mask from there right now anyway, Ill take my chances and make them here. I hope folks remember they were willing to screw America during this deal to probably turn a higher profit with non-US sales... There are lots of manufacturers and lots of distribution channels. The question is, is it better for the established markets to operate, or do we need central planning. s it necessary? Is there critical shortage? Other then Cuomo screaming, and hospital employees screaming, is there any real evidence that the supply is constrained? The knee jerk desire to go full central planning in every crisis is fascinating to watch. We definitely need central management of some sort, if only to be able to call bullshit and tell some states they are sitting in a million masks ina warehouse that were delivered last week, but some clerk forgot about. I'm not convinced we need to go full commie. Yes, there’s actually a critical shortage, for US buyers, and yes, 3M and their distributors are facilitating it. According to the director of the Florida Division of Emergency Management what’s happening is that he’s had an order for millons of masks over a month that keeps getting bumped because foreign buyers keep showing up with wads of cash. 3M doesn’t sell directly to customers, including states, and is aware of all the fuckery with their distributors but won’t attempt to help. @Bohr_Adam ETA: https://sports.yahoo.com/amphtml/florida-official-says-3m-selling-002448142.html Why won't he pay 3M enough to claim them, then? Surely he's allowed to, if they are truly in such short supply...unless of course, he wants to hold 3M to a lower price than their other customers are paying. |
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Posted: 4/3/2020 4:25:31 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The first thing to try when you are troubleshooting your printer. 1. Is it plugged in? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Trump can push as hard as he wants but the economy is in the "off" position right now. Someone should tell him. How you say, "push a rope?" The first thing to try when you are troubleshooting your printer. 1. Is it plugged in? It's "Have you tried turning it off and on again?" Not "Have you tried turning it off?"
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