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Posted: 9/23/2021 9:48:53 PM EDT
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Posted: 9/23/2021 9:54:11 PM EDT
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After watching the Taliban win in Afghanistan we don't need an air force.
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Posted: 9/23/2021 10:03:02 PM EDT
[#3]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I’ll take the F-4 instead. If I win the lottery I would fund this jet going to airshows. Because kids should see an F-4 |
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Posted: 9/23/2021 10:06:01 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If I win the lottery I would fund this jet going to airshows. Because kids should see an F-4 Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I’ll take the F-4 instead. If I win the lottery I would fund this jet going to airshows. Because kids should see an F-4 I saw two at Sun-N-Fun about 20 years ago hauling ass down the runway and climb at a steep angle. LOUD LOUD LOUD!!! Man those things were loud. 
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Posted: 9/23/2021 10:09:44 PM EDT
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Like how it has a loan calculator on that page.
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Posted: 9/23/2021 10:19:00 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I saw two at Sun-N-Fun about 20 years ago hauling ass down the runway and climb at a steep angle. LOUD LOUD LOUD!!! Man those things were loud. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: I’ll take the F-4 instead. If I win the lottery I would fund this jet going to airshows. Because kids should see an F-4 I saw two at Sun-N-Fun about 20 years ago hauling ass down the runway and climb at a steep angle. LOUD LOUD LOUD!!! Man those things were loud. My dad was a retired USAF O-6. I grew up going to MacDill at least once a month to hit the commissary and base exchange. I remember when the 56th Tactical Fighter Wing had F-4s and watching them take off. |
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Posted: 9/23/2021 10:22:48 PM EDT
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Well shit... since horses are banned, this is the only option.
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Posted: 9/23/2021 10:25:28 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: How does one acquire 4 Migs in the first place? Donation to hunter biden plus 10% for the big guy |
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Posted: 9/23/2021 10:46:52 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: After watching the Taliban win in Afghanistan we don't need an air force. We don't have to really worry about them now... There is a bigger threat. |
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Posted: 9/23/2021 10:50:02 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: How does one acquire 4 Migs in the first place? Dude, you don’t want to know. I could get you one today, with nail polish. Wait, what are we talking about? |
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Posted: 9/23/2021 11:06:48 PM EDT
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Posted: 9/23/2021 11:27:56 PM EDT
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About $4500 per hour to operate it, and that doesn't even include regular maintenance, storage for all the spare parts, or hangar space for the one you keep in flying condition.
If I was rich enough to afford such a folly, I would more likely buy a WWII era Catalina and have it retrofitted into an air yacht/flying boat. |
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Posted: 9/23/2021 11:30:49 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Does it take unleaded or premium? Yeah, and do I have to get a special endorsement on my driver's license for it? |
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Posted: 9/23/2021 11:30:56 PM EDT
[#14]
preban?
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Posted: 9/23/2021 11:36:43 PM EDT
[#15]
The Russians make so ugly shit but the Mig29 is beautiful aircraft.
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Posted: 9/23/2021 11:47:20 PM EDT
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A thread about Mig-29s in Utah and no LRRP?!?!?!
Is he banned or just staying away? Lemme sweeten it up a little... 6.5 Grendel, Finland, Prussian-model education, Brigham Young... He should be on the way now. |
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Posted: 9/23/2021 11:53:39 PM EDT
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i want that B-17 forsale on there, holy shit thats badass... anyone got a spare 9 mill?
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Posted: 9/23/2021 11:55:34 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That would be fun to violate a TFR with. I wonder if you got a running start if you could run the interceptors out of gas. That made me LOL. That would be an exciting flight. You might not fare well depending what the interceptors are. Your pilots license would fare poorly at any rate. |
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Posted: 9/24/2021 12:28:57 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Guzzle 1.75L of cheap Vodka before starting your checklists. Got it. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: The key to flying one of those is you have to think in Russian. Guzzle 1.75L of cheap Vodka before starting your checklists. Got it. Thats how a MIG-31 is flown. |
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Posted: 9/24/2021 12:37:06 AM EDT
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I want to buy them, but I don't have time for the flying lessons.
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Posted: 9/24/2021 12:41:44 AM EDT
[#21]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Probably a lot more given the maintenance domestically produced jets need. No idea if any particular special expertise would be needed to work on one but I imagine anyone seriously entertaining buying this can probably afford to fly it. The assortment of hammers and pipe wrenches is cheap enough for the tool department. Hiring a high functioning alcoholic fluent in Russian is another matter. |
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Posted: 9/24/2021 12:43:52 AM EDT
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I wonder why the single seaters cannot be made flyable...
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Posted: 9/24/2021 12:45:05 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Lol Arfcom thinks boats are money pits... a used mig fighter jet is a money grand canyon. Not sure why but this comment made me laugh out loud. I can't even imagine the mainenence cost on a 35 year old Russian jet. Like when you purchase a classic British or Italian sports car project, you set up a budget and basically have to double or triple it if you want realistic figures. I wouldn't even know where to start when it comes to figuring out a budget to keep a Mig 29 in the air. Like you better have oligarch level deep pockets. |
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Posted: 9/24/2021 1:06:38 AM EDT
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I'm quite interested. Especially if I keep making the government covid money. I'm getting 4X my regular pay. Taxes will suck this year.
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Posted: 9/24/2021 1:23:56 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The fuck are those doing in Utah? I haven't seen anything like that at the Heber airport, so I wondered they're stored somewhere else? Drove from MT to Provo via Heber City to see my kids in May. Hard the big Canon camera rig out while driving through Heber and had to stop and snap pics when I saw a P51 parked next to a sail plane in front of a hangar, and just down the way was a T6. The Mustang really caught my attention. So much money in the SLC area. |
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Posted: 9/24/2021 7:13:40 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Guy is in Utah. Wonder where in the Midway area he stores them. They’ve been at Rockford, IL for some time now. Ten years ago, I might have sprung for a checkout in one. Too old for that shit (Soviet design and manufacture high performance aircraft.) now. I’ll stick with risking (however minimally it might be) my life in the Airbus… TC |
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Posted: 9/24/2021 7:19:36 AM EDT
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Posted: 9/24/2021 7:20:57 AM EDT
[#28]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Mig 29s weren't as they were fairly new at the time. But Mig 21s could be found for that. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: how tf do you even buy stuff like that in the first place lol. Mig 29s weren't as they were fairly new at the time. But Mig 21s could be found for that. Mig21s were 30k with a spare engine. |
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Posted: 9/24/2021 7:25:58 AM EDT
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Shit you can get this F-18 for a million.
link |
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Posted: 9/24/2021 7:41:05 AM EDT
[#30]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I’ll take the F-4 instead. If that ad is correct, that’s an F4H—before the designators changed. No IR sensor under the nose. I have no idea where the found this specimen, but it should be in a museum. TC |
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Posted: 9/24/2021 8:00:47 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryYou want an old Russian jet. No fly by wire to break. Digital flight controls are great until you learn they throw faults more than a FICA Panda. |
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Posted: 9/24/2021 8:05:29 AM EDT
[#32]
Quote HistoryQuoted: How does one acquire 4 Migs in the first place? Don’t know about these in particular, but former Soviet generals were selling just about anything right after the collapse of the USSR At least that’s what a placard on a Mig 23 at the USAF museum claimed when a Mig 23 appeared outside maybe 15 years ago Said some guy bought it from a Russian general then tried to bring it here but the US govt confiscated it If it wasn’t already one of the constant peg ones |
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Posted: 9/24/2021 8:12:41 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The key to flying one of those is you have to think in Russian. It took me a second. But that is awesome! |
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Posted: 9/24/2021 8:18:48 AM EDT
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Off to download the DCS module to brush up. Figure a few hours on that and I’ll be ready to take delivery.
That’s a damn good price on the package deal. But it’s a real bitch keeping them airworthy. |
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Posted: 9/24/2021 8:21:48 AM EDT
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A fmily member used to import aircraft from Russia back when the wall fell. We had Mig15, Mig17s, Mig21, AN-2, Yak55s, Yak52s, E3, Yak9s, etc etc. I did get to fly the 17, 55, AN2, IAR and E3.
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Posted: 9/24/2021 8:22:50 AM EDT
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Not that expensive to fly compared to other fighters
Given that the MiG-29 has flight hour cost of around $4500 per flight hour, the Gripen is a logical choice to keep sustainment budgets from growing too much relative to past jets.Mar 3, 2018 Keeping a high performance fighter in tip-top shape is expensive and time consuming, but in that portion of the ledger, the F-15EX once again shines. The Air Force expects to spend around $29,000 for every hour the F-15EX is in the air, far cheaper than the F-35's figures recorded in 2018 of around $44,000 per hour. |
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Posted: 9/24/2021 8:26:10 AM EDT
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Is there a buy one get one free offer?
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Posted: 9/24/2021 9:22:16 AM EDT
[#38]
I would rather have one of the observation aircraft or the A1 for sale.
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Posted: 9/24/2021 9:32:06 AM EDT
[#39]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Probably about a grand an hour to fly it. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Lol Arfcom thinks boats are money pits... a used mig fighter jet is a money grand canyon. Probably about a grand an hour to fly it. |
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Posted: 9/24/2021 10:02:39 AM EDT
[#40]
Quote HistoryQuoted: We don't have to really worry about them now... There is a bigger threat. I agree. Those Trump supporters... |
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Posted: 9/24/2021 11:37:53 AM EDT
[#41]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Probably about a grand an hour to fly it. HAH !!!! We load up a 1000 gallons just to fly local on the F4. Jet fuel is 5.77 per gallon |
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Posted: 9/24/2021 11:48:58 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: And roll-up windows... Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: If that had a manual transmission I'd be all over it. And roll-up windows... I'm very interested, does anybody know what stereo these birds have? Bose, or something similar? |
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Posted: 9/24/2021 11:49:24 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: How does one acquire 4 Migs in the first place? I am pretty sure a dr customer we worked with imported them, he was trying to contract as an agressor for military training. This goes back 15 or so years. I know he had a couple of mig 17s and the file mentioned the 29s. There may have been others that did but I know he was involved in 2 17s, at least 1 21 and 2, 29s. ETA and a L-29D He has since passed away and everything was sold. |
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Posted: 9/24/2021 12:10:58 PM EDT
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Still no takers?
Halfsies? |
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Posted: 9/24/2021 12:16:32 PM EDT
[#45]
Quote HistoryQuoted: If that had a manual transmission I'd be all over it. |
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Posted: 9/27/2021 10:26:11 PM EDT
[#46]
Quote HistoryQuoted: A thread about Mig-29s in Utah and no LRRP?!?!?! Is he banned or just staying away? Lemme sweeten it up a little... 6.5 Grendel, Finland, Prussian-model education, Brigham Young... He should be on the way now. banned for a while IIRC. |
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Posted: 9/27/2021 10:28:46 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You want an old Russian jet. No fly by wire to break. Digital flight controls are great until you learn they throw faults more than a FICA Panda. I mean say what you will but IMO the 29 is way more aerodynamically refined compared to the 18 and 16. Its as maneuverable if not more maneuverable and no need for digital flight control system. And it was designed with some amazing wind tunnels since the soviets didn't have enough computer tech to actually use it for aero design which in the west did work, but was in its infancy. |
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Posted: 9/27/2021 10:29:59 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Still no takers? Halfsies? Well I think the ad said there were 4... So you just need a few rich arfcommers, i'm sure the Arf-millionaires will be along shortly to help you make consortia. |
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Posted: 9/28/2021 1:07:32 AM EDT
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If you parked them at a coastal airport I suppose there'd be no problem with over-mach runs?
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