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Posted: 9/5/2017 3:09:40 PM EDT
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http://image.ibb.co/fDtW4F/13040856_860259237436365_793792382288593490_o.jpg http://image.ibb.co/kzmJjF/10169445_837387526390203_2269764350012313226_n.jpg http://image.ibb.co/bEKAya/13064671_860259130769709_3073683325028240658_o.jpg http://image.ibb.co/eC1CBv/10998237_645654695563488_6398426618277923940_n.jpg My photography sucks. But my taste in firearms is classy  
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Posted: 9/5/2017 3:10:10 PM EDT
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in before john_wayne777
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Posted: 9/5/2017 3:11:55 PM EDT
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I like 5.7x28mm but I am invested in the Glock platform from a training and equipment standpoint, so I went with 22TCM9R instead.
I'd still love to have a PS90 though. Will probably pick one up eventually. The guy on the right there is the 22TCM9R: 
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Posted: 9/5/2017 3:12:51 PM EDT
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What mags accept 5.7 rounds? I want a 5.7 AR! ETA: FN makes 30 and 10 round magazines as well, but they're the same size as the 50s due to how the mag is retained in P90s and AR57s. |
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Posted: 9/5/2017 3:17:40 PM EDT
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Purrrrdy! 
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Posted: 9/5/2017 6:05:13 PM EDT
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I like 5.7x28mm but I am invested in the Glock platform from a training and equipment standpoint, so I went with 22TCM9R instead. I'd still love to have a PS90 though. Will probably pick one up eventually. The guy on the right there is the 22TCM9R: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/09/TCM_%2B_TCM_9R.jpg |
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Posted: 9/5/2017 6:15:53 PM EDT
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Great range toy, especially the SBR PS90. But if it were so wonderful, why are more police, Secret Service & militaries dropping it to move to....9mm?  steel core AP will do everything the 5.7 does, with greater surface area & mass.
I've operated on score of people--nobody ever complained about what they were shot with, they simply bled. That said, the bigger area & weight of a 9mm or larger, well, physics, and shit....nevermind. Arguing calibers is like arguing religion or politics. Don't even pretend it's a rifle round. But he told me to go ahead and shoot on the pistol ranges that day. I didn't renew my membership at that range, so I don't know what they eventually decided on the 5.7. |
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Posted: 9/5/2017 6:16:48 PM EDT
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I like 5.7x28mm but I am invested in the Glock platform from a training and equipment standpoint, so I went with 22TCM9R instead. I'd still love to have a PS90 though. Will probably pick one up eventually. The guy on the right there is the 22TCM9R: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/09/TCM_%2B_TCM_9R.jpg 
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Posted: 9/5/2017 6:24:49 PM EDT
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What mags accept 5.7 rounds? I want a 5.7 AR! |
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Posted: 9/5/2017 6:26:30 PM EDT
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Wouldn't mind seeing the 6.5 CBJ to hit the market. Pretty impressive numbers on it. http://sadefensejournal.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/mp92.jpg Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I like 5.7x28mm but I am invested in the Glock platform from a training and equipment standpoint, so I went with 22TCM9R instead. I'd still love to have a PS90 though. Will probably pick one up eventually. The guy on the right there is the 22TCM9R: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/09/TCM_%2B_TCM_9R.jpg http://sadefensejournal.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/mp92.jpg Its a much better parent case than 9x19, 9x23, 5.56x45 etc. Starting with 9mm for the 6.5 CBJ is a no-go. |
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Posted: 9/5/2017 6:56:26 PM EDT
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I really want a Kel Tec Sub 2000 that takes FN Five Seven mags.
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Posted: 9/5/2017 7:27:16 PM EDT
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Posted: 9/5/2017 8:29:41 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryAwesome! Subsonic 22lr performance at 10x the cost!!!
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Posted: 9/5/2017 8:38:06 PM EDT
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Awesome! Subsonic 22lr performance at 10x the cost!!!
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Posted: 9/5/2017 8:39:09 PM EDT
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https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/423062/20170412_204453_cropped-299754.JPG The AR57 really is my favorite. 
Edited to use the arfcom image uploaded with my new membership Does the magazine placement make it a little front heavy? |
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Posted: 9/5/2017 8:49:09 PM EDT
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I am guessing it's an excellent cartridge for a pistol AR. Less recoil that 5.56/.223? Does the magazine placement make it a little front heavy? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/423062/20170412_204453_cropped-299754.JPG The AR57 really is my favorite.
Edited to use the arfcom image uploaded with my new membership Does the magazine placement make it a little front heavy? A little front heavy, but it has good balance. Cuts down on muzzle flip. Mag dumps are expensive, but the most fun you can have dumping. Every shot is on target, as fast as you can pull the trigger. |
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Posted: 9/5/2017 8:51:34 PM EDT
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No recoil. Zip, zero, nada. It's why I don't even have a brace. A little front heavy, but it has good balance. Cuts down on muzzle flip. Mag dumps are expensive, but the most fun you can have dumping. Every shot is on target, as fast as you can pull the trigger. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/423062/20170412_204453_cropped-299754.JPG The AR57 really is my favorite.
Edited to use the arfcom image uploaded with my new membership Does the magazine placement make it a little front heavy? A little front heavy, but it has good balance. Cuts down on muzzle flip. Mag dumps are expensive, but the most fun you can have dumping. Every shot is on target, as fast as you can pull the trigger. I just watched the pistol put a 27gr hp round thru 1.5in bullet proof glass. 
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Posted: 9/5/2017 8:56:24 PM EDT
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Funny, I don't recall ever seeing a .22LR round that has a jacketed 55 grain bullet doing 1,000 fps Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Awesome! Subsonic 22lr performance at 10x the cost!!! https://www.midwayusa.com/product/2506135961/aguila-sss-sniper-subsonic-ammunition-22-long-rifle-60-grain-lead-round-nose |
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Posted: 9/5/2017 8:58:26 PM EDT
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Funny, I don't recall ever seeing a .22LR round that has a jacketed 55 grain bullet doing 1,000 fps ETA Doh, too slow!
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Posted: 9/5/2017 9:13:02 PM EDT
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Thanks for the info. Makes me want an AR57 even more now. I just watched the pistol put a 27gr hp round thru 1.5in bullet proof glass.
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https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/423062/20170412_204453_cropped-299754.JPG The AR57 really is my favorite.
Edited to use the arfcom image uploaded with my new membership Does the magazine placement make it a little front heavy? A little front heavy, but it has good balance. Cuts down on muzzle flip. Mag dumps are expensive, but the most fun you can have dumping. Every shot is on target, as fast as you can pull the trigger. I just watched the pistol put a 27gr hp round thru 1.5in bullet proof glass.
5.8x27 Vs. Bullet Proof Glass AR57 pistol ~$1000 PS90 ~$2000+ 12" AR57 is about the same size as a cut-down PS90, with no paperwork needed. As others have mentioned, it fits perfectly in a tennis racket bag. Perfect non-NFA PDW. Love it. I got the SB15 brace quite awhile ago (and paid way too much for it). It does help balance the gun, but it's big and unwieldy. Now it sits on a shelf. 
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Posted: 9/5/2017 9:33:08 PM EDT
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What good does the jacket do you? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Not sure why a jacket is important but Aguila Sniper Subsonic does just that. ETA Doh, too slow!  5.7x28mm, SB193, VS Level IIIA Body Armor, FiveSeven |
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Posted: 9/5/2017 9:36:53 PM EDT
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Awesome! Subsonic 22lr performance at 10x the cost!!! Quote HistoryQuoted:
And yes those are expensive. But one could always roll their own cheaper. I don't take that a 5.7sub is basically a .22sub, I take it as a pretty cool round! To each their own. |
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Posted: 9/5/2017 9:43:11 PM EDT
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The 5.7 is a pretty badass round, IMO. AR57 pistol ~$1000 PS90 ~$2000+ 12" AR57 is about the same size as a cut-down PS90, with no paperwork needed. As others have mentioned, it fits perfectly in a tennis racket bag. Perfect non-NFA PDW. Love it. I got the SB15 brace quite awhile ago (and paid way too much for it). It does help balance the gun, but it's big and unwieldy. Now it sits on a shelf. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/423062/20170412_204453_cropped-299754.JPG The AR57 really is my favorite.
Edited to use the arfcom image uploaded with my new membership Does the magazine placement make it a little front heavy? A little front heavy, but it has good balance. Cuts down on muzzle flip. Mag dumps are expensive, but the most fun you can have dumping. Every shot is on target, as fast as you can pull the trigger. I just watched the pistol put a 27gr hp round thru 1.5in bullet proof glass.
5.8x27 Vs. Bullet Proof Glass AR57 pistol ~$1000 PS90 ~$2000+ 12" AR57 is about the same size as a cut-down PS90, with no paperwork needed. As others have mentioned, it fits perfectly in a tennis racket bag. Perfect non-NFA PDW. Love it. I got the SB15 brace quite awhile ago (and paid way too much for it). It does help balance the gun, but it's big and unwieldy. Now it sits on a shelf. May have to sell some things to pay for the upper.
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Posted: 9/5/2017 9:48:36 PM EDT
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So I just finished building a 10.5 pistol in .300 aac to be a truck gun. I was worried about how smaller high velocity calibers would do against auto glass and doors. No longer concerned. May have to sell some things to pay for the upper. |
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Posted: 9/5/2017 9:55:28 PM EDT
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Then look into Elite Ammunition DevestaTOR, it's now available to "Joe Public". It penetrates WAY better than FN SS190 A.P. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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So I just finished building a 10.5 pistol in .300 aac to be a truck gun. I was worried about how smaller high velocity calibers would do against auto glass and doors. No longer concerned. May have to sell some things to pay for the upper.
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Posted: 9/5/2017 10:09:40 PM EDT
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One could say that about almost any subsonic round. There are other bullets that are cheaper and have close to the same ballistics. Bringing a round down to ~1100fps cuts into energy. Why shoot 308 sub's when a 45acp will do darn the same thing? It's nice to use the same rifle with different rounds than having to use different rifles. And yes those are expensive. But one could always roll their own cheaper. I don't take that a 5.7sub is basically a .22sub, I take it as a pretty cool round! To each their own. But a subsonic 55gr bullet is anemic. 300blk subs are kinda cool because of the mass and sectional density of the projectile. 5.7 is interesting with the hot ammo. |
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Posted: 9/5/2017 10:43:17 PM EDT
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I don't quite think ANY .22LR will perform anywhere close to FN SB193 SubSonic....  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A65bLxWH3kcMuh Range Toys ain't sposed to do dat! lol |
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Posted: 9/5/2017 10:46:05 PM EDT
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Anyone have the link to the guy who was robbing a pharmacy and someone w/ a 5-7 blew his lungs out and dropped him right there?
Bullet went right thru his body leaving a big hole. |
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Posted: 9/5/2017 10:53:20 PM EDT
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This thread has rekindled my desire for a PS90. Is it possible to get one with the old integral red dot anymore?
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Posted: 9/5/2017 10:57:23 PM EDT
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Premature double tap.
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Posted: 9/5/2017 10:58:19 PM EDT
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I hear ya. Ever seen a 50 round magazine for 9mm?  
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Posted: 9/5/2017 10:59:05 PM EDT
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Then look into Elite Ammunition DevestaTOR, it's now available to "Joe Public". It penetrates WAY better than FN SS190 A.P. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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So I just finished building a 10.5 pistol in .300 aac to be a truck gun. I was worried about how smaller high velocity calibers would do against auto glass and doors. No longer concerned. May have to sell some things to pay for the upper. |
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Posted: 9/5/2017 11:08:19 PM EDT
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Posted: 9/5/2017 11:12:03 PM EDT
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This thread has rekindled my desire for a PS90. Is it possible to get one with the old integral red dot anymore? |
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Posted: 9/5/2017 11:12:21 PM EDT
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Whats the difference between the PenetraTOR I-II-III and the DevestaTOR? It out performs FN SS190 Black Tip by quite a margin. REALLY nasty stuff. AND it's not classified as A.P. by BATF. The photos are no longer posted but Jay Wolf posted pics of a Level IIIA vest with CRISAT Plates over a water heater (to use as a torso). DevestaTOR shot COMPLETELY through the CRISAT Plates, the Level IIIA Vest (both sides) and the water heater. |
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Posted: 9/5/2017 11:29:24 PM EDT
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lol @ the 5.7 groupies and their white trash YT "wound ballistics info".
But they never fail to derp up GD. |
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Posted: 9/5/2017 11:38:28 PM EDT
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Then look into Elite Ammunition DevestaTOR, it's now available to "Joe Public". It penetrates WAY better than FN SS190 A.P. "8/29/17 Preorders are sold out. July 27, 2017 7:50 P.M. Central TimeThe DevestaTOR is all SOLD OUT!It is now open for PREORDER.Estimated Shipping Time: 3-4 Months" Super available. Oh and if they had it it appears to be over $2 a round (not absolutely positive because they don't bother listing how many rounds is in a box on that page but they sell their other stuff by 25 round increments) or $100 to fill a 50 rd magazine. |
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Posted: 9/5/2017 11:45:34 PM EDT
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I didn't say it was cheap, you get what you pay for. Machine turned projectiles, then anodized.
If all you can afford is Wolf then so be it. |
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Posted: 9/5/2017 11:46:34 PM EDT
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Sheit-
No need for Elite ammo, the store bought stuff works perfectly fine. 
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Posted: 9/5/2017 11:52:33 PM EDT
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lol @ the 5.7 groupies and their white trash YT "wound ballistics info". But they never fail to derp up GD. |
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Posted: 9/5/2017 11:57:07 PM EDT
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I hear ya. Ever seen a 50 round magazine for 9mm? https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/241349/IMG_1491-300197.JPG |
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Posted: 9/5/2017 11:58:54 PM EDT
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Sheit- No need for Elite ammo, the store bought stuff works perfectly fine. |
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Posted: 9/6/2017 12:11:34 AM EDT
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I like the round...just not into the P90 or FiveSeven.
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Posted: 9/6/2017 12:14:47 AM EDT
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4.6x30mm>5.7x28mm 
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Posted: 9/6/2017 12:35:52 AM EDT
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I hope you reload. It's the only way you will have any ammo for that thing. Coming from someone who shoots mil-surp and antique cowboy ammo. Have I done it? Yup. Did I screw up a whole mess of shells? Yup. Did I almost blow up a gun? Yup. Honestly, it's not genuinely worth reloading because it is such a finicky round to load. The cartridge can be genuinely explosive with a very small fudge factor, and working your way up is scary because of it being such a teensy difference between "This charge won't cycle..." and "KABOOOOM!!!" Then if you think you're gonna be snazzy and toss your old shells into your tumbler, you'd better not. There is a proprietary dry film lube on those shells and if you remove it, it isn't even a one shot gun anymore, unless you're saying one shot and stuck case. Ask me how I know this... I ended up just reloading semi dirty cases once and saying fuck this. Just buy the cheap stuff when palmetto has a sale and call it a day. It is a hilariously fun round, and the P90 is the ultimate take-a-chick-shooting rifle. The factor that most miss in defensive uses is that you can shoot as fast as you possibly can and keep all your rounds on a center of mass target. Would I feel undergunned with one? No. Do I carry it? No. There are far better choices. |
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Posted: 9/6/2017 5:28:38 AM EDT
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Yep, I just stick to SS198. I'd rather not give money to EA. Their antics on forums turn me off to ever buying from them. I've got an IOM (don't carry cuz never found a decent holster), and a very early (good trigger group) SBR'd PS90. I have a small stash of SS190 and SS191 for the apocalypse (  ), a small pile of SS197, and some random SS192 and SS195 laying around.
I really want to stack up the SS198, but the lead free primer kills it for me. I really, really REALLY wish they'd just make the damn stuff with a normal primer. |
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Posted: 9/6/2017 5:37:50 AM EDT
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It is extraordinarily difficult to reload 5.7x28... Have I done it? Yup. Did I screw up a whole mess of shells? Yup. Did I almost blow up a gun? Yup. Honestly, it's not genuinely worth reloading because it is such a finicky round to load. The cartridge can be genuinely explosive with a very small fudge factor, and working your way up is scary because of it being such a teensy difference between "This charge won't cycle..." and "KABOOOOM!!!" Then if you think you're gonna be snazzy and toss your old shells into your tumbler, you'd better not. There is a proprietary dry film lube on those shells and if you remove it, it isn't even a one shot gun anymore, unless you're saying one shot and stuck case. Ask me how I know this... I ended up just reloading semi dirty cases once and saying fuck this. Just buy the cheap stuff when palmetto has a sale and call it a day. It is a hilariously fun round, and the P90 is the ultimate take-a-chick-shooting rifle. The factor that most miss in defensive uses is that you can shoot as fast as you possibly can and keep all your rounds on a center of mass target. Would I feel undergunned with one? No. Do I carry it? No. There are far better choices. Started low, aaand very slowly creeped up with once fired brass... no cycle, no cycle, no cycle, WHAM!!!! "WTF?" The plastic halves of the PS90 stock were spread out with the little tabs no longer in the slot...
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Posted: 9/6/2017 6:02:56 AM EDT
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I'm kinda in the same boat. Not crazy about EA, and whenever I've checked their site the rounds I wanted were unavailable anyway. I've got an IOM (don't carry cuz never found a decent holster), and a very early (good trigger group) SBR'd PS90. I have a small stash of SS190 and SS191 for the apocalypse ( ), a small pile of SS197, and some random SS192 and SS195 laying around.
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Yep, I just stick to SS198. I'd rather not give money to EA. Their antics on forums turn me off to ever buying from them. I've got an IOM (don't carry cuz never found a decent holster), and a very early (good trigger group) SBR'd PS90. I have a small stash of SS190 and SS191 for the apocalypse ( ), a small pile of SS197, and some random SS192 and SS195 laying around.
I really want to stack up the SS198, but the lead free primer kills it for me. I really, really REALLY wish they'd just make the damn stuff with a normal primer. |
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Posted: 9/6/2017 6:17:39 AM EDT
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Issues with the LF primers? |
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Posted: 9/6/2017 7:52:57 AM EDT
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