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Posted: 12/17/2021 12:19:07 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I have researched this, and can't find a definitive answer. Also, that was 30 years ago. Nuclear weapons require constant maintenance. I don't believe Ukraine has the needed infrastructure to maintain nuclear weapons. We have nuclear weapons in the dakotas. If DC went away tomorrow, would the governments of those states have the means to use their nukes? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I thought the nukes ukraine had were russian nukes, in which, ukraine did not have the means to actually launch them? Was the correct? I have researched this, and can't find a definitive answer. Also, that was 30 years ago. Nuclear weapons require constant maintenance. I don't believe Ukraine has the needed infrastructure to maintain nuclear weapons. We have nuclear weapons in the dakotas. If DC went away tomorrow, would the governments of those states have the means to use their nukes? I don't see ANYTHING in the Budapest agreement that obligates us to defend them. Basically, the agreement lists 6 things the U.S., U.K, and Russia agree not to do, it doesn't have an enforcement mechanism where anyone agrees to do something if someone else violates the treaty. That's in sharp contrast to Article 5 of the NATO treaty, for example. |
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Posted: 12/17/2021 12:43:07 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: We shouldn't send a penny to Israel either. They aren't a nascent state anymore. They have their own established industries, commerce, etc.... We need to end all foreign aid. I would rather send aid to Israel than continually send stimulus checks and expand disability/unemployment benefits here. Some of these countries are keeping potential future wars that would involve US troops in check. The amount of money we spend domestically as a redistribution of wealth is multitudes more than what we provide countries as an extension of our military arm. |
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Posted: 12/17/2021 12:48:34 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I have researched this, and can't find a definitive answer. Also, that was 30 years ago. Nuclear weapons require constant maintenance. I don't believe Ukraine has the needed infrastructure to maintain nuclear weapons. We have nuclear weapons in the dakotas. If DC went away tomorrow, would the governments of those states have the means to use their nukes? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I thought the nukes ukraine had were russian nukes, in which, ukraine did not have the means to actually launch them? Was the correct? I have researched this, and can't find a definitive answer. Also, that was 30 years ago. Nuclear weapons require constant maintenance. I don't believe Ukraine has the needed infrastructure to maintain nuclear weapons. We have nuclear weapons in the dakotas. If DC went away tomorrow, would the governments of those states have the means to use their nukes? No idea, But South Dakota's governor is welcome to my fall out shelter 
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Posted: 12/17/2021 12:51:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I would rather send aid to Israel than continually send stimulus checks and expand disability/unemployment benefits here. Some of these countries are keeping potential future wars that would involve US troops in check. The amount of money we spend domestically as a redistribution of wealth is multitudes more than what we provide countries as an extension of our military arm. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: We shouldn't send a penny to Israel either. They aren't a nascent state anymore. They have their own established industries, commerce, etc.... We need to end all foreign aid. I would rather send aid to Israel than continually send stimulus checks and expand disability/unemployment benefits here. Some of these countries are keeping potential future wars that would involve US troops in check. The amount of money we spend domestically as a redistribution of wealth is multitudes more than what we provide countries as an extension of our military arm. The question isn't so much whether they NEED it, as much as whether taxpayors want to subsidize Lockheed Martin's employees and stock value. |
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Posted: 12/17/2021 12:56:13 PM EDT
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The Russkies are going to make quick work of the Ukrainian military. I expect that once they get the green light, it'll take about a week for the Russkies to get to Kiev.
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Posted: 12/17/2021 12:58:48 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Interesting flag on that red pickup truck. Not-sees. Probably from Georgia. 
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Posted: 12/17/2021 12:59:20 PM EDT
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Right now, I'm trying to convince a 20 year old kid who works for me to get her ass out of there and come to America, just for a little while.
She keeps saying, "The situation is tense but the U.S. President will not allow Russia to invade." Sigh. 
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Posted: 12/17/2021 1:00:45 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: She's a petite woman in a perfectly clean uniform that they put in front of a camera for a bull shit photo. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Those are some giant brass ball clankin' bastards right there. Except for the cutie in the last picture. . . she doesn't have giant brass balls. She's a petite woman in a perfectly clean uniform that they put in front of a camera for a bull shit photo. I have to be the uncool operator and ask what are the blue scissors for? Yeah, yeah I get it, cutting stuff, but they sort of stick out with all that camo going on. |
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Posted: 12/17/2021 1:01:12 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Those are some giant brass ball clankin' bastards right there. Except for the cutie in the last picture. . . she doesn't have giant brass balls. |
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Posted: 12/17/2021 1:06:13 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The Russkies are going to make quick work of the Ukrainian military. I expect that once they get the green light, it'll take about a week for the Russkies to get to Kiev. Meanwhile Poland invades Belarus during the distraction....hilarity ensues... |
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Posted: 12/17/2021 1:16:32 PM EDT
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I think the only thing that keeps Russia out of the Ukraine is body bags of Russian boys and girls going east. The same with the Chinese. I can live with a stand off for years. It appears that Russia and China can too. Woe be it on the day I am wrong for so many mothers and fathers who will be the true losers. Putin will not be the loser. Xi won't be the loser. Mothers and fathers of young boys and girls will be. It's one of the reasons I never pushed my kids into the military. I didn't want to be a loser. I did 24 years Army. It looks like America lost it's chance while I was in.
Stolen elections have consequences. kwg |
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Posted: 12/17/2021 1:28:54 PM EDT
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In the course of my mil career I heard the forces stationed close to the DMZ in Korea referred to frequently as either the speed bump or the trip wire.
Can't remember exactly who said it, but the quotation went, "but that's what young men are for". I think he was reviewing extremely heavy casualty counts at the time, but that front line posting would probably amount to the same thing over time. |
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Posted: 12/17/2021 1:31:06 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryI want to take orders from her |
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Posted: 12/17/2021 1:31:11 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryHoly shit! what southern arfcommer havent we heard from in a while 
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Posted: 12/17/2021 1:40:02 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Aid to Israel is functionally a handout to the U.S. defense industry. Here's ~$3 billion in company store script, of which you have to spend virtually all of it buying stuff from a couple large U.S. corporations. The question isn't so much whether they NEED it, as much as whether taxpayors want to subsidize Lockheed Martin's employees and stock value. $3 billion is chump change with our .gov spending. Rather give $5-6 billion to the Israelis and that much less to the welfare armies. I support Israel getting it too. |
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Posted: 12/17/2021 1:49:12 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: My Grandfather smoked his whole life. I was about 10 years old when my mother said to him, 'If you ever want to see your grandchildren graduate, you have to stop immediately.'. Tears welled up in his eyes when he realized what exactly was at stake. He gave it up immediately. Three years later he died of lung cancer. It was really sad and destroyed me. My mother said to me- 'Don't ever smoke. Please don't put your family through what your Grandfather put us through." I agreed. At 28, I have never touched a cigarette. I must say, I feel a very slight sense of regret for never having done it, because your post gave me cancer anyway. |
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Posted: 12/17/2021 1:49:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Meanwhile Poland invades Belarus during the distraction....hilarity ensues... You would more likely see Poland push into Ukraine and reinforce their Army. Poland has zero intention of having Russia right next door again. |
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Posted: 12/17/2021 1:57:47 PM EDT
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Posted: 12/17/2021 2:05:53 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: They are facing Holodormor II. I wish them the best. FPNI I hope they can manage without my prayers, but I am sending it up anyway. Edit: they are braver men and women than a huge percent of our current active-duty men and wymyn... change my mind? |
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Posted: 12/17/2021 2:10:02 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryHer camo is fleece - melts and burns, not wind-proof, not water-proof, easily damaged. She needs some sort of hard shell over that stuff. I know unimportant to topic at hand. |
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Posted: 12/17/2021 2:18:22 PM EDT
[#21]
Is Ukraine still anti-gun? Or are Ukrainians able to legal arm themselves and protect themselves from despotism?
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Posted: 12/17/2021 2:19:59 PM EDT
[#22]
Quote HistoryUgggg am I the only one that looks at that map and a bulge waiting to be cut off with a pincer. That is not a happy looking map for holding a line, but what do I know. |
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Posted: 12/17/2021 2:26:18 PM EDT
[#23]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The Russkies are going to make quick work of the Ukrainian military. I expect that once they get the green light, it'll take about a week for the Russkies to get to Kiev. Unfortunately, except for a couple shiny toys that they can barely upkeep, the Ukrainian military is poor with equipment, manpower and training. |
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Posted: 12/17/2021 2:33:46 PM EDT
[#24]
The expense of maintaining troops and equipment in an invasion profile has to be astronomical. I would guess there is a limit to the wait and see.
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Posted: 12/17/2021 2:39:21 PM EDT
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They're probably frozen solid in the nice winter weather they're having... that's probably why Putin hasn't moved the back off the line.
On a more serious note, the old saying Don't invade Russia in the winter" also applies to Ukraine, weather can be a major deciding factor |
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Posted: 12/17/2021 2:39:40 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Is your son in the military? The Euros all got the President they wanted. You still hear them whining about Trump. I don't know why or how the Europeans are shocked that in his first year as POTUS he's pretty much made US security guarantees next to meaningless. |
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Posted: 12/17/2021 2:41:07 PM EDT
[#27]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Hopefully Russia wins LOL. Win at what? Being a dying country spending its golden years as a Chinese pet? Because that's what its winning at. The only winner of this war will be China. |
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Posted: 12/17/2021 2:44:53 PM EDT
[#28]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The idea of them being able to deploy forces to the US is laughable. The reality is, other than their ICBMs and SLBMs, they are not a threat to the US. Let Europe deal with their own issues. While I agree with European security issues being the job for Europeans, the idea that its only the Russian nuclear threat that could be used against North America is laughable incorrect. |
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Posted: 12/17/2021 2:53:17 PM EDT
[#29]
Quote HistoryQuoted: While I agree with European security issues being the job for Europeans, the idea that its only the Russian nuclear threat that could be used against North America is laughable incorrect. Ivan can't land an invasion force and the only real military threat they have to Saber rattle with is their NBC weapons with is either delivered by airpower (detectable and interceptable), ICMBs, or SLBMs. Other than that, they can do the same things that the DPRK does. Economic Warfare via electronic and criminal means. We need to let Europe deal with their own mess. Again, why I Ukraine so fucking important but not Cuba, Venezuela, Bolivia, Nicaragua, etc? US foreign policy should be simple. Don't fuck with us. If you do, we'll break your shit and leave you fucking barren with a pile of your dead rotting g in the streets. |
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Posted: 12/17/2021 2:54:58 PM EDT
[#30]
That female will get raped in the original post
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Posted: 12/17/2021 3:04:42 PM EDT
[#31]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Not surprising that this nearly decade old bullshit conflict dominates news headlines now that Epstein's slam hog and arbiter of young runaways is on trial.  Attached File |
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Posted: 12/17/2021 3:07:48 PM EDT
[#32]
Quote HistoryQuote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Not surprising that this nearly decade old bullshit conflict dominates news headlines now that Epstein's slam hog and arbiter of young runaways is on trial. /media/mediaFiles/sharedAlbum/0c96c781a5e6260d0827848aec47d205-381.gif 
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Posted: 12/17/2021 3:08:09 PM EDT
[#33]
Soviet Union suffers worst wheat harvest in 55 years. Labor and food riots in Poland. Soviets invade. Cuba and Nicaragua reach troop strength goals of 500,000. El Salvador and Honduras fall. Greens Party gains control of West German Parliament; demands withdrawal of nuclear weapons from European soil. Mexico plunged into revolution. NATO dissolves; United States stands alone.
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Posted: 12/17/2021 3:08:37 PM EDT
[#34]
IMHO, history repeats itself.
During the 1917 Russian Revolution and subsequent Civil War, White Russians (non-communists), primarily from Belarus and Ukraine, fought against the Red Russians (communists) from Russia, Georgia, and other areas. The Reds defeated the Whites, and after Lenin died and Stalin took over, the Reds went genocidal on the Whites. When Germany invaded the USSR in 1941, many of the Belarussians and Ukrainians welcomed them, because they were thought to be liberators from Stalin and the communists. Later, there were even German Army units made up of volunteers from these two countries. Putin is trying to re-create a mini-USSR. he already has a puppet leader in Belarus, Lushashenko (sp?), and now wants the same in Ukraine. JMHO, YMMV. |
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Posted: 12/17/2021 3:12:18 PM EDT
[#35]
Quote HistoryQuote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Not surprising that this nearly decade old bullshit conflict dominates news headlines now that Epstein's slam hog and arbiter of young runaways is on trial. /media/mediaFiles/sharedAlbum/0c96c781a5e6260d0827848aec47d205-381.gif https://i.imgur.com/Jkkn0SZ.gif 
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Posted: 12/17/2021 3:16:15 PM EDT
[#36]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Not our fight. At all. Who said it was? We can read the news without going to war. |
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Posted: 12/17/2021 3:23:15 PM EDT
[#37]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Interesting flag on that red pickup truck. They import many of the US salvaged vehicles and are too lazy to remove the previous stickers/decals/badges so it is highly likely that this SUV was flood damaged from the South. I laugh at all the soccer mom decals I see driving around. |
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Posted: 12/17/2021 3:24:56 PM EDT
[#38]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I wish we had the balls to give them weapons. If we can leave billions of weapons in Afghanistan, we should give these guys all they need. What will Hunter do with out the Burisma gas board payments? You don’t remember the piles of Bushmaster carbines the Russians captured after we played this same game in Georgia?   
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Posted: 12/17/2021 3:25:56 PM EDT
[#39]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Not our fight. At all. Agreed. |
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Posted: 12/17/2021 3:26:48 PM EDT
[#40]
Quote HistoryQuoted: We shouldn't send a penny to Israel either. They aren't a nascent state anymore. They have their own established industries, commerce, etc.... We need to end all foreign aid. Too much kickback money involved, it’s the only way politicians make any decent bankroll, now. |
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Posted: 12/17/2021 3:31:24 PM EDT
[#41]
There would be a coup in Kiev, with a pro Russian/ Soviet Ukrainian leader taking over. Then Civil War, in which the Russians and their allies assist the commie leader. The Soviets take over within a month, with heavy fighting in the southwest of Ukraine. Then the purge happens.
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Posted: 12/17/2021 3:31:48 PM EDT
[#42]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Fuck Russia. If they come across the border I hope the Ukrainians stack the fuckers like wood. Russia crossed the border 7 years ago and has been here menacing Ukrainians since then. Now they're just upping their game but I'm seeing more foreigners worried than actual Ukrainians in my city. Ukraine has ALWAYS been someone's "bitch", most recently Russia's, so they have no mentality how to stand up for themselves, just putting their hands out. I keep hearing how small they are to Russia so I compare and tell them to go all Chechen on the Russians. Sadly, they just shake their heads in refusal. These guys like to puff up but tend to always back down from a fight so I'm never afraid walking around. Ukrainians need to stand up against Russia and fight THEIR fight without getting US military involved. With that said, I highly doubt the Russians will push West so I'm safe but have options. |
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Posted: 12/17/2021 3:33:09 PM EDT
[#43]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I wonder how many transexuals they have in their army? Are they using the proper pronouns? It hasn't arrived here yet. YET. |
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Posted: 12/17/2021 3:34:39 PM EDT
[#44]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Russia crossed the border 7 years ago and has been here menacing Ukrainians since then. Now they're just upping their game but I'm seeing more foreigners worried than actual Ukrainians in my city. Ukraine has ALWAYS been someone's "bitch", most recently Russia's, so they have no mentality how to stand up for themselves, just putting their hands out. I keep hearing how small they are to Russia so I compare and tell them to go all Chechen on the Russians. Sadly, they just shake their heads in refusal. These guys like to puff up but tend to always back down from a fight so I'm never afraid walking around. Ukrainians need to stand up against Russia and fight THEIR fight without getting US military involved. With that said, I highly doubt the Russians will push West so I'm safe but have options. A lot of us Russofiles think it will be a coup. There is still plenty of infiltration by Russian assets in the Ukrainian government and military which will muck up things. And if the coup happens you will be behind Soviet lines, in a new Soviet Union, with an ongoing civil war. |
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Posted: 12/17/2021 3:35:09 PM EDT
[#45]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Russia crossed the border 7 years ago and has been here menacing Ukrainians since then. Now they're just upping their game but I'm seeing more foreigners worried than actual Ukrainians in my city. Ukraine has ALWAYS been someone's "bitch", most recently Russia's, so they have no mentality how to stand up for themselves, just putting their hands out. I keep hearing how small they are to Russia so I compare and tell them to go all Chechen on the Russians. Sadly, they just shake their heads in refusal. These guys like to puff up but tend to always back down from a fight so I'm never afraid walking around. Ukrainians need to stand up against Russia and fight THEIR fight without getting US military involved. With that said, I highly doubt the Russians will push West so I'm safe but have options. |
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Posted: 12/17/2021 3:36:16 PM EDT
[#46]
Quote HistoryQuoted: It is a stand-in for the flag of the Confederation of Novorossiya and was based on the Russian Naval Jack. Novorossiya is an unrecognised confederation of the Donetsk and Luhansk People's Republics, claiming the territory of the respective Donetsk and Luhansk oblasts in the Donbas region of eastern Ukraine. https://media-cldnry.s-nbcnews.com/image/upload/t_fit-1500w,f_auto,q_auto:best/newscms/2014_36/647781/140903-novorossia-flag-1123.jpg The flying of the Novorossiya flag is seen as a "pro-russian" act. The American Confederate Flag is used as a stand in for folks since decals and such cannot be easily found. @transplanted OR not. I think you're giving some of these pictures too much credit unless there is confirmed information from the owner of the US imported vehicle. |
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Posted: 12/17/2021 3:37:16 PM EDT
[#47]
Quote HistoryQuoted: share a foxhole with me any time The military girls here are cute. Police girls tend to be cuter. |
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Posted: 12/17/2021 3:43:18 PM EDT
[#48]
Quote HistoryQuoted: This. Unfortunately, except for a couple shiny toys that they can barely upkeep, the Ukrainian military is poor with equipment, manpower and training. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: The Russkies are going to make quick work of the Ukrainian military. I expect that once they get the green light, it'll take about a week for the Russkies to get to Kiev. Unfortunately, except for a couple shiny toys that they can barely upkeep, the Ukrainian military is poor with equipment, manpower and training. It's not 2014 anymore. |
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Posted: 12/17/2021 3:44:33 PM EDT
[#49]
Quote HistoryQuoted: FPNI I hope they can manage without my prayers, but I am sending it up anyway. Edit: they are braver men and women than a huge percent of our current active-duty men and wymyn... change my mind? You're giving them way too much credit. I'm surrounded by MANY young men that are fighting age. They are as far from the action as possible... |
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Posted: 12/17/2021 3:44:37 PM EDT
[#50]
Quote HistoryQuoted: They are facing Holodormor II. I wish them the best. |
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