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Posted: 12/17/2021 3:46:13 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Those are some giant brass ball clankin' bastards right there. Except for the cutie in the last picture. . . she doesn't have giant brass balls. Uterus of Steel. |
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Posted: 12/17/2021 3:47:42 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Is Ukraine still anti-gun? Or are Ukrainians able to legal arm themselves and protect themselves from despotism? There is no 2A here but many want this, so effectively anti-gun. There is some rumbling about guerilla warfare but locals aren't going to fight the Russians on the streets. A few tried from 45-49 in the West but very unsuccessfully so the population was easily put back into line. They're very passive aggressive so I'm sure they'll speak to Russians in Ukrainian out of defiance. |
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Posted: 12/17/2021 3:48:14 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Not our fight. At all. Yeah, we should only send gear at best. |
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Posted: 12/17/2021 3:51:52 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: There would be a coup in Kiev, with a pro Russian/ Soviet Ukrainian leader taking over. Then Civil War, in which the Russians and their allies assist the commie leader. The Soviets take over within a month, with heavy fighting in the southwest of Ukraine. Then the purge happens. There won't be any fighting in the West. There won't be a Pro Russian Coup. There won't be a Civil War because Ukrainians aren't big into fighting one another. |
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Posted: 12/17/2021 3:54:09 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: No we didn't actually. How old is your son? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Not our fight. At all. No we didn't actually. How old is your son? Sept. 4, 1993: Massandra AccordsFailed summit between Russian and Ukrainian governments Dec. 5, 1994: Russia, Ukraine, United States, and the United Kingdom sign the Budapest Memorandum on Security Assurances Includes security assurances against the threat or use of force against Ukraine's territory or political independence Dec. 5, 1994: Ukraine submits its instrument of accession to the NPT as a non-nuclear weapon state The five START parties exchange instruments of ratification for START, which enters into force June 1, 1996: Ukraine transfers its last nuclear warhead to Russia October 30, 2001: Ukraine eliminates its last strategic nuclear weapon delivery vehicle Dec. 4, 2009: Joint Statement by Russia and the United States The two countries confirm the security guarantees made in the 1994 Budapest Memorandum March 18, 2014: Russia annexes the Crimean peninsula |
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Posted: 12/17/2021 3:55:06 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: A lot of us Russofiles think it will be a coup. There is still plenty of infiltration by Russian assets in the Ukrainian government and military which will muck up things. And if the coup happens you will be behind Soviet lines, in a new Soviet Union, with an ongoing civil war. Highly doubtful. I'd be willing to put money on that bet, if the price is right. |
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Posted: 12/17/2021 3:58:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I wish we had the balls to give them weapons. If we can leave billions of weapons in Afghanistan, we should give these guys all they need. What will Hunter do with out the Burisma gas board payments? Send them a check - from your own account. |
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Posted: 12/17/2021 3:58:48 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: @Tboy, is the Ukrainian government still making it a bitch and a half for any decent person being able to legally own a gun? Gun ownership is not a right but permission by the government so one must apply for permits (no handguns for civilians). As a foreigner, I'm not allowed to own a firearm but I can have a bow & arrow and airgun! I have been told that locals in Western Ukraine have stockpiles of guns but I call BS when I ask them to describe. I was shown videos of kids field stripping an AK but I asked if they knew how to shoot... Of course not. Just air rifles which is kinda cool seeing practice at the smaller schools. |
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Posted: 12/17/2021 3:59:37 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Show me where it says the United States will defend Ukraine if invaded. Yep, and even if it did, so what? Shall not be infringed is a precious fact, Sovereign borders are a precious fact. Nobody cares. |
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Posted: 12/17/2021 4:00:10 PM EDT
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Short of nukes, this isn’t a winning situation, if you call using nukes winning
Most of the population in the area over to the river is ethnic Russian and they Are tired of crooked Ukrainian politics Time for us to butt out and mind our own business |
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Posted: 12/17/2021 4:02:12 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: We should stop being the world's police. The British did it for a while and look where it got them. They lost everything because of it. Instead, we should be Switzerland. Heavily armed and neutral. Our goal should be commerce and making things better for our own people. We have enough problems in our own borders, why do we focus so much on outsiders? Why is Ukraine an issue but Cuba isn't? Why aren't we invading Cuba to overthrow their dictatorship? China is steamrolling all over Latin America and thr Caribbean, yet as a nation we aren't worried about that. But Russia is a threat to the US in Ukraine? It is hypocritical if we are the world's police to make it an issue in one region but not another. But, as I said, we should be Switzerland. Focus on or own problems, make bank, and be heavily armed. "The great rule of conduct for us, in regard to foreign nations, is in extending our commercial relations, to have with them as little political connection as possible. Europe has a set of primary interests, which to us have none, or a very remote relation. Hence she must be engaged in frequent controversies the causes of which are essentially foreign to our concerns. Hence, therefore, it must be unwise in us to implicate ourselves, by artificial ties, in the ordinary vicissitudes of her politics, or the ordinary combinations and collisions of her friendships or enmities... it is our true policy to steer clear of permanent alliances with any portion of the foreign world; so far, I mean, as we are now at liberty to do it; for let me not be understood as capable of patronizing infidelity to existing engagements." "The nation which indulges toward another an habitual hatred or an habitual fondness is in some degree a slave." FAREWELL ADDRESS TO THE PEOPLE OF THE UNITED STATES | MONDAY, SEPTEMBER 19, 1796 He was right then and he is right now.  Attached File |
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Posted: 12/17/2021 4:04:51 PM EDT
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Regardless of the "not our fight" vs "we should get involved" debate...
This WILL affect us, whether we choose to stick our heads in the sand, or not. |
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Posted: 12/17/2021 4:06:19 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: There is no 2A here but many want this, so effectively anti-gun. There is some rumbling about guerilla warfare but locals aren't going to fight the Russians on the streets. A few tried from 45-49 in the West but very unsuccessfully so the population was easily put back into line. They're very passive aggressive so I'm sure they'll speak to Russians in Ukrainian out of defiance. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Is Ukraine still anti-gun? Or are Ukrainians able to legal arm themselves and protect themselves from despotism? There is no 2A here but many want this, so effectively anti-gun. There is some rumbling about guerilla warfare but locals aren't going to fight the Russians on the streets. A few tried from 45-49 in the West but very unsuccessfully so the population was easily put back into line. They're very passive aggressive so I'm sure they'll speak to Russians in Ukrainian out of defiance. @Tboy Are you thinking you might have to leave before the shtf ? How's the situation looking ? |
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Posted: 12/17/2021 4:10:08 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Short of nukes, this isn’t a winning situation, if you call using nukes winning Most of the population in the area over to the river is ethnic Russian and they Are tired of crooked Ukrainian politics Time for us to butt out and mind our own business Russian politics are more crooked. Folks just want a bigger handout, which Russia has yet to provide adequately. Just more empty promises like Kiev. |
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Posted: 12/17/2021 4:16:39 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: @Tboy Are you thinking you might have to leave before the shtf ? How's the situation looking ? Actually planning to leave this weekend or early next week. Not because of the threatened escalation but for family obligations (Christmas). Locals in Western Ukraine are not phased based on my conversations. Interesting since many are transplants from the East. I think worst case scenario in my area is more transplants and tighter/more expensive housing with heavier congestion on the roads. I've paid up 3 months rent just in case I can't be back in time but am more concerned that my builder will use this as another excuse to delay submitting paperwork for my apartment to be commissioned so I can start working on it. This could affect material costs so I might be doing some shopping in Poland which is about 60 miles away. I make sure to keep half a tank of gas in my AWD car just in case and have enough USD to get me out of the country just in case. Honestly, I'm more at risk by getting run over in the street here. |
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Posted: 12/17/2021 4:27:24 PM EDT
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Posted: 12/17/2021 4:44:50 PM EDT
[#17]
the pics remind me of the old Twilight 2000 RPG..
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Posted: 12/17/2021 4:45:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: the pics remind me of the old Twilight 2000 RPG.. Now that's a name I haven't heard in a long time. |
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Posted: 12/17/2021 4:56:31 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryYeah I'm sure we have plenty of arfcommers that would help her get citizenship... |
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Posted: 12/17/2021 5:05:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It's not 2014 anymore. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: The Russkies are going to make quick work of the Ukrainian military. I expect that once they get the green light, it'll take about a week for the Russkies to get to Kiev. Unfortunately, except for a couple shiny toys that they can barely upkeep, the Ukrainian military is poor with equipment, manpower and training. It's not 2014 anymore. |
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Posted: 12/17/2021 5:07:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Right now, I'm trying to convince a 20 year old kid who works for me to get her ass out of there and come to America, just for a little while. She keeps saying, "The situation is tense but the U.S. President will not allow Russia to invade." Sigh.  uh does she know who our president is? |
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Posted: 12/17/2021 5:12:01 PM EDT
[#22]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I served. My father served. Both my grandfathers served. My son will be old enough real soon. Not sure of his intentions, but I sure as hell don't want him dying in a muddy ditch in some town none of us can pronounce for this administration. This is not our fight. Well said. |
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Posted: 12/17/2021 5:14:06 PM EDT
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There is dangerous precedence being set here. Putin is saying he's invaded parts of Ukraine to protect Russians living there (yes, Russian troops have invaded and remain in country). He's amassing forces at the border to "protect" those Russians throughout the whole country.
Imagine if the communist regime with Xi taking over California to protect the chinese there. You'll probably be happy about it, but it will only snowball. |
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Posted: 12/17/2021 5:19:55 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: There is dangerous precedence being set here. Putin is saying he's invaded parts of Ukraine to protect Russians living there (yes, Russian troops have invaded and remain in country). He's amassing forces at the border to "protect" those Russians throughout the whole country. Imagine if the communist regime with Xi taking over California to protect the chinese there. You'll probably be happy about it, but it will only snowball. Putin did this in Georgia. The Russian that orchestrated the Georgian invasion was also involved with the Ukrainian invasion in 2014. They've already given Russian passports to Crimeans but I'm not sure about Southeastern Ukraine. The Baltic states are concerned because they also have ethnic Russian minorities... |
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Posted: 12/17/2021 5:20:29 PM EDT
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Can't we send them some M60 tanks?
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Posted: 12/17/2021 5:26:09 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: There is dangerous precedence being set here. Putin is saying he's invaded parts of Ukraine to protect Russians living there (yes, Russian troops have invaded and remain in country). He's amassing forces at the border to "protect" those Russians throughout the whole country. Imagine if the communist regime with Xi taking over California to protect the chinese there. You'll probably be happy about it, but it will only snowball. Because that is actually what happened with the Ukraine. Hell, the Crimea wasn't even Ukrainian territory until after WWII because Soviet Premier Nikita Khrushchev got drunk and decided to transfer the Crimea from the Russian Soviet Federative Socialist Republic to the Ukrainian Soviet Socialist Republic. Russians make up 17.3% of the population of Ukraine. That is a HUGE DIFFERENCE. Is Putin acting as a scumbag? Yup, he sure is. Is it our fight? Fuck no, it sure isn't. Leading up to these, Ukraine instead of being a politically corrupt country after gaining independence from the USSR, could have straightened itself out. Instead, it stayed on being corrupt and broke. |
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Posted: 12/17/2021 5:27:26 PM EDT
[#27]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Putin did this in Georgia. The Russian that orchestrated the Georgian invasion was also involved with the Ukrainian invasion in 2014. They've already given Russian passports to Crimeans but I'm not sure about Southeastern Ukraine. The Baltic states are concerned because they also have ethnic Russian minorities... |
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Posted: 12/17/2021 6:09:16 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Aid to Israel is functionally a handout to the U.S. defense industry. Here's ~$3 billion in company store script, of which you have to spend virtually all of it buying stuff from a couple large U.S. corporations. The question isn't so much whether they NEED it, as much as whether taxpayors want to subsidize Lockheed Martin's employees and stock value. Well yes, why would you give cash when you can give "grants" that then add money back into the US economy? There's more to it than that. Israel has had a history of "testing" military tech in an environment that puts little risk towards the US. They also complete plenty of research themselves. They act as problem solvers for the US as well, including military and clandestine ops. Once again, I'd rather send 3.3bil to one of the last non-Muslim bastions in the ME than spend over 800 billion on Covid stimulus checks, of which none of my close family or friends received. |
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Posted: 12/17/2021 7:13:59 PM EDT
[#29]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Does the PRC have the physical means to deploy troops to California? Did the PRC ever actually control California and conduct massive demographic shifts of population? The Chinese only make up a total of 3.4% of the California population. Because that is actually what happened with the Ukraine. Hell, the Crimea wasn't even Ukrainian territory until after WWII because Soviet Premier Nikita Khrushchev got drunk and decided to transfer the Crimea from the Russian Soviet Federative Socialist Republic to the Ukrainian Soviet Socialist Republic. Russians make up 17.3% of the population of Ukraine. That is a HUGE DIFFERENCE. Is Putin acting as a scumbag? Yup, he sure is. Is it our fight? Fuck no, it sure isn't. Leading up to these, Ukraine instead of being a politically corrupt country after gaining independence from the USSR, could have straightened itself out. Instead, it stayed on being corrupt and broke. Why was Ukraine so corrupt and broke? Because Russia wanted it to be. Why are you leaving this small,insignificant detail out of the equation? |
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Posted: 12/17/2021 7:14:50 PM EDT
[#30]
What flavors of camo are they wearing?
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Posted: 12/17/2021 7:19:54 PM EDT
[#31]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Why was Ukraine so corrupt and broke? Because Russia wanted it to be. Why are you leaving this small,insignificant detail out of the equation? |
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Posted: 12/17/2021 7:21:35 PM EDT
[#32]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Not our fight. At all. Doesn't mean we can't provide items to bleed an enemy |
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Posted: 12/17/2021 7:25:34 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Doesn't mean we can't provide items to bleed an enemy This. I have no problem selling Ukraine weapons at a good deal to turn Russian invaders into good Russians. |
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Posted: 12/17/2021 7:29:20 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yawn. Fuck Ukraine and everyone who thinks it's any of your business. Why? |
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Posted: 12/17/2021 7:33:11 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Why? |
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Posted: 12/17/2021 7:58:22 PM EDT
[#36]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Russia wanted Estonia to be corrupt and broke too. Yet Estonia said fuck that and as a people lifted themselves up. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Why was Ukraine so corrupt and broke? Because Russia wanted it to be. Why are you leaving this small,insignificant detail out of the equation? You are being a bit myopic, and ignoring the actual history |
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Posted: 12/17/2021 8:00:26 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Why aren't we involved in Cuba and Venezuela? If we're going to intervene and do shit. Let's overthrow two legit Communist Dictatorships. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Why? Because they don’t really have in impact on US. Russia does. Today Russia sent us a list of demands. The implication is that IF we do not promise to do as THEY say, they will invade Ukraine. It’s okay to oppose US intervention, but that should not require one to pretend that Russia invading Ukraine will NOT have very serious, negative consequences for the US. |
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Posted: 12/17/2021 8:05:54 PM EDT
[#38]
Quote HistoryLooking at the wet muddy terrain...... Looking at her uniform and equipment....... Yup stood her out there for a photo op. |
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Posted: 12/17/2021 8:50:19 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Should have taken Patton's leash off and turned him loose.  Fuck patton |
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Posted: 12/17/2021 8:57:46 PM EDT
[#40]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Send in the Poles! 
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Posted: 12/17/2021 9:04:26 PM EDT
[#41]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Lol. You do not understand the game at all. And when China invades Taiwan because they see we wont stand up to Russia and when Iran attacks Israel when they see we didn't help Taiwan or Ukraine and i dint even mention the fat little NK dude Weakness creates kaos power creates peace |
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Posted: 12/17/2021 9:06:56 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You are being a bit myopic, and ignoring the actual history |
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Posted: 12/17/2021 9:22:22 PM EDT
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Posted: 12/17/2021 9:26:36 PM EDT
[#44]
Quote HistoryThat two door Tahoe is straight out of north Georgia |
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Posted: 12/17/2021 9:26:45 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: We should stop being the world's police. The British did it for a while and look where it got them. They lost everything because of it. Instead, we should be Switzerland. Heavily armed and neutral. Our goal should be commerce and making things better for our own people. We have enough problems in our own borders, why do we focus so much on outsiders? Why is Ukraine an issue but Cuba isn't? Why aren't we invading Cuba to overthrow their dictatorship? China is steamrolling all over Latin America and thr Caribbean, yet as a nation we aren't worried about that. But Russia is a threat to the US in Ukraine? It is hypocritical if we are the world's police to make it an issue in one region but not another. But, as I said, we should be Switzerland. Focus on or own problems, make bank, and be heavily armed. "The great rule of conduct for us, in regard to foreign nations, is in extending our commercial relations, to have with them as little political connection as possible. Europe has a set of primary interests, which to us have none, or a very remote relation. Hence she must be engaged in frequent controversies the causes of which are essentially foreign to our concerns. Hence, therefore, it must be unwise in us to implicate ourselves, by artificial ties, in the ordinary vicissitudes of her politics, or the ordinary combinations and collisions of her friendships or enmities... it is our true policy to steer clear of permanent alliances with any portion of the foreign world; so far, I mean, as we are now at liberty to do it; for let me not be understood as capable of patronizing infidelity to existing engagements." "The nation which indulges toward another an habitual hatred or an habitual fondness is in some degree a slave." FAREWELL ADDRESS TO THE PEOPLE OF THE UNITED STATES | MONDAY, SEPTEMBER 19, 1796 He was right then and he is right now. We are the friends of liberty everywhere, but the guardians of only our own. - John Quincy Adams |
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Posted: 12/17/2021 11:34:51 PM EDT
[#46]
Quote HistoryQuoted: My Grandfather smoked his whole life. I was about 10 years old when my mother said to him, 'If you ever want to see your grandchildren graduate, you have to stop immediately.'. Tears welled up in his eyes when he realized what exactly was at stake. He gave it up immediately. Three years later he died of lung cancer. It was really sad and destroyed me. My mother said to me- 'Don't ever smoke. Please don't put your family through what your Grandfather put us through." I agreed. At 28, I have never touched a cigarette. I must say, I feel a very slight sense of regret for never having done it, because your post gave me cancer anyway. You got me good you fucker. |
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Posted: 12/18/2021 3:11:57 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: What flavors of camo are they wearing? An outdated digital camo, kinda like the old US ACU. The mix-max of the initial militias have now gone away (for the most part) but they still haven't seen to standardize boots. |
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Posted: 12/18/2021 3:14:13 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That two door Tahoe is straight out of north Georgia Highly likely. If you zoom in, you might still see the original dealer badge. |
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Posted: 12/18/2021 5:54:15 AM EDT
[#49]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Show me where it says the United States will defend Ukraine if invaded. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Not our fight. At all. Yeah, but this is GD. Inconvenient facts get forgotten. Show me where it says the United States will defend Ukraine if invaded. Not that he spoke for any one of us, but Obama literally said that. |
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Posted: 12/18/2021 11:28:26 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Doesn't mean we can't provide items to bleed an enemy Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Not our fight. At all. Doesn't mean we can't provide items to bleed an enemy I am perfectly ok with this, and actually think it's a good idea. |
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