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Posted: 5/23/2023 3:38:23 PM EDT
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Posted: 5/23/2023 3:39:48 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Destroyed mine. Will they issue a refund? No. But they will let you chop off an equal amount of shotgun barrel. |
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Posted: 5/23/2023 3:41:31 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: No.... The ATF is claiming that all brace equipped firearms were actually SBRs, if the barrel was less than 16" or if the OAL was less than 26". They aren't claiming that there are only SBR and rifle lowers as they have very clearly stated removing the brace makes the firearm a pistol. The claim that Trump had "two years to remove the NFA" is also ridiculous and lacks understanding of our political system. The Republicans lacked a filibuster proof majority and there was no way in hell that a Democrat would cross and join the Republicans on a pro gun rights bill. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Either the NFA is the NFA or it’s not. Strike down the perfectly reasonable ATF judgement on this ( based on existing NFA guidance ) and the NFA is 100% modified to no longer include length ( at least ! ). Not sure if sarcasm or retarded We have Reagan’s NFA. Either Reagan’s NFA means something or it doesn’t. I reckon it means something to y’all’s political representatives because Trump had two years where he could have made the NFA go away. The ATF basically telling manufacturers that a lower is either a SBR lower or a Rifle lower is not the ATF overstepping their authority; it is the ATF properly enforcing Regan’s NFA ( regardless of how we feel about the NFA ). If the 5th says that the ATF is overstepping their authority then the fifth is really saying authority was overstepped in the eighty’s when Reagan signed the NFA. This would be a good thing ! But, The NFA has done nothing wrong with this brace thing and I am not retarded because the NFA does currently exist. Apologize now. No.... The ATF is claiming that all brace equipped firearms were actually SBRs, if the barrel was less than 16" or if the OAL was less than 26". They aren't claiming that there are only SBR and rifle lowers as they have very clearly stated removing the brace makes the firearm a pistol. The claim that Trump had "two years to remove the NFA" is also ridiculous and lacks understanding of our political system. The Republicans lacked a filibuster proof majority and there was no way in hell that a Democrat would cross and join the Republicans on a pro gun rights bill. So if OAL means nothing as long as the word pistol is included then why didn’t Trump just tell the DOJ to have the ATF set that standard in stone? What the fifth is doing is good news and will provide the clarity going forward on OAL. I have multiple SBR’s. I’d prefer not having to wait a year for another one and if OAL means nothing then the word pistol ( or that ridiculous configuration ) doesn’t even need to enter the discussion anymore but if OAL is a thing then the ATF was just enforcing regs already in place. |
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Posted: 5/23/2023 3:44:58 PM EDT
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FPC with another big win. Good Job!
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Posted: 5/23/2023 3:46:25 PM EDT
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Posted: 5/23/2023 3:46:48 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Thank you for confirming it wasn't sarcasm. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Either the NFA is the NFA or it’s not. Strike down the perfectly reasonable ATF judgement on this ( based on existing NFA guidance ) and the NFA is 100% modified to no longer include length ( at least ! ). Not sure if sarcasm or retarded We have Reagan’s NFA. Either Reagan’s NFA means something or it doesn’t. I reckon it means something to y’all’s political representatives because Trump had two years where he could have made the NFA go away. The ATF basically telling manufacturers that a lower is either a SBR lower or a Rifle lower is not the ATF overstepping their authority; it is the ATF properly enforcing Regan’s NFA ( regardless of how we feel about the NFA ). If the 5th says that the ATF is overstepping their authority then the fifth is really saying authority was overstepped in the eighty’s when Reagan signed the NFA. This would be a good thing ! But, The NFA has done nothing wrong with this brace thing and I am not retarded because the NFA does currently exist. Apologize now. Thank you for confirming it wasn't sarcasm. 
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Posted: 5/23/2023 3:47:06 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Didn't the bumpstock get overturned for the 5th district as well? yes |
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Posted: 5/23/2023 3:48:16 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: We have Reagan’s NFA. Either Reagan’s NFA means something or it doesn’t. I reckon it means something to y’all’s political representatives because Trump had two years where he could have made the NFA go away. The ATF basically telling manufacturers that a lower is either a SBR lower or a Rifle lower is not the ATF overstepping their authority; it is the ATF properly enforcing Regan’s NFA ( regardless of how we feel about the NFA ). If the 5th says that the ATF is overstepping their authority then the fifth is really saying authority was overstepped in the eighty’s when Reagan signed the NFA. This would be a good thing ! But, The NFA has done nothing wrong with this brace thing and I am not retarded because the NFA does currently exist. Apologize now. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Either the NFA is the NFA or it’s not. Strike down the perfectly reasonable ATF judgement on this ( based on existing NFA guidance ) and the NFA is 100% modified to no longer include length ( at least ! ). Not sure if sarcasm or retarded We have Reagan’s NFA. Either Reagan’s NFA means something or it doesn’t. I reckon it means something to y’all’s political representatives because Trump had two years where he could have made the NFA go away. The ATF basically telling manufacturers that a lower is either a SBR lower or a Rifle lower is not the ATF overstepping their authority; it is the ATF properly enforcing Regan’s NFA ( regardless of how we feel about the NFA ). If the 5th says that the ATF is overstepping their authority then the fifth is really saying authority was overstepped in the eighty’s when Reagan signed the NFA. This would be a good thing ! But, The NFA has done nothing wrong with this brace thing and I am not retarded because the NFA does currently exist. Apologize now. FATF FRR FDJT |
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Posted: 5/23/2023 3:48:30 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So if OAL means nothing as long as the word pistol is included then why didn’t Trump just tell the DOJ to have the ATF set that standard in stone? What the fifth is doing is good news and will provide the clarity going forward on OAL. I have multiple SBR’s. I’d prefer not having to wait a year for another one and if OAL means nothing then the word pistol ( or that ridiculous configuration ) doesn’t even need to enter the discussion anymore but if OAL is a thing then the ATF was just enforcing regs already in place. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Either the NFA is the NFA or it’s not. Strike down the perfectly reasonable ATF judgement on this ( based on existing NFA guidance ) and the NFA is 100% modified to no longer include length ( at least ! ). Not sure if sarcasm or retarded We have Reagan’s NFA. Either Reagan’s NFA means something or it doesn’t. I reckon it means something to y’all’s political representatives because Trump had two years where he could have made the NFA go away. The ATF basically telling manufacturers that a lower is either a SBR lower or a Rifle lower is not the ATF overstepping their authority; it is the ATF properly enforcing Regan’s NFA ( regardless of how we feel about the NFA ). If the 5th says that the ATF is overstepping their authority then the fifth is really saying authority was overstepped in the eighty’s when Reagan signed the NFA. This would be a good thing ! But, The NFA has done nothing wrong with this brace thing and I am not retarded because the NFA does currently exist. Apologize now. No.... The ATF is claiming that all brace equipped firearms were actually SBRs, if the barrel was less than 16" or if the OAL was less than 26". They aren't claiming that there are only SBR and rifle lowers as they have very clearly stated removing the brace makes the firearm a pistol. The claim that Trump had "two years to remove the NFA" is also ridiculous and lacks understanding of our political system. The Republicans lacked a filibuster proof majority and there was no way in hell that a Democrat would cross and join the Republicans on a pro gun rights bill. So if OAL means nothing as long as the word pistol is included then why didn’t Trump just tell the DOJ to have the ATF set that standard in stone? What the fifth is doing is good news and will provide the clarity going forward on OAL. I have multiple SBR’s. I’d prefer not having to wait a year for another one and if OAL means nothing then the word pistol ( or that ridiculous configuration ) doesn’t even need to enter the discussion anymore but if OAL is a thing then the ATF was just enforcing regs already in place. OAL matters only if there is a stock involved with it. No stock, no rifle. Some States do have their own rules surrounding OAL but I'd rather not get into that. AR pistol configurations have existed long before the pistol brace existed. They'll continue to exist long after this is figured out as the absence of a stock makes it so the firearm is not a rifle. The ATF isn't "just enforcing" anything, they're attempting to lay claim that a device installed on a firearm that is INTENDED to be used around the arm of an individual (not a stock) is actually a stock. I agree that it would be nice for the courts to simply remove SBRs from the NFA and I have my hopes that we might eventually see that but the ATF is not "just doing their job" unless their job is to make criminals out of law abiding citizens. ETA: Even if President Trump had instructed the ATF to "write in stone" that pistol braces were ok, that won't last. Democrats don't give a flying crap what the law reads, as has been shown in numerous States that are ignoring the Bruen decision or trying to find new ways to wiggle around it. The current Puppet in Chief would have simply instructed the ATF to change their minds on pistol braces and go after them yet again. |
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Posted: 5/23/2023 3:49:50 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Hopefully they went Full Hawaiian and it is a nationwide injunction covering everybody. One can dream... THE FULL HAWAIIAN!? Oh, you mean the courts. I thought it was a call for, well, you know, the thing. That we don’t talk about. Except in that one big thread. I’m going to go put my stuff away now… 
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Posted: 5/23/2023 3:50:00 PM EDT
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So a curious question for all those that registered for free and converted from a brace to a stock. If this shit gets kicked out entirely I wonder if those will still be legal? You have no actual tax stamp to prove it.
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Posted: 5/23/2023 3:51:14 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So if OAL means nothing as long as the word pistol is included then why didn’t Trump just tell the DOJ to have the ATF set that standard in stone? What the fifth is doing is good news and will provide the clarity going forward on OAL. I have multiple SBR’s. I’d prefer not having to wait a year for another one and if OAL means nothing then the word pistol ( or that ridiculous configuration ) doesn’t even need to enter the discussion anymore but if OAL is a thing then the ATF was just enforcing regs already in place. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Either the NFA is the NFA or it’s not. Strike down the perfectly reasonable ATF judgement on this ( based on existing NFA guidance ) and the NFA is 100% modified to no longer include length ( at least ! ). Not sure if sarcasm or retarded We have Reagan’s NFA. Either Reagan’s NFA means something or it doesn’t. I reckon it means something to y’all’s political representatives because Trump had two years where he could have made the NFA go away. The ATF basically telling manufacturers that a lower is either a SBR lower or a Rifle lower is not the ATF overstepping their authority; it is the ATF properly enforcing Regan’s NFA ( regardless of how we feel about the NFA ). If the 5th says that the ATF is overstepping their authority then the fifth is really saying authority was overstepped in the eighty’s when Reagan signed the NFA. This would be a good thing ! But, The NFA has done nothing wrong with this brace thing and I am not retarded because the NFA does currently exist. Apologize now. No.... The ATF is claiming that all brace equipped firearms were actually SBRs, if the barrel was less than 16" or if the OAL was less than 26". They aren't claiming that there are only SBR and rifle lowers as they have very clearly stated removing the brace makes the firearm a pistol. The claim that Trump had "two years to remove the NFA" is also ridiculous and lacks understanding of our political system. The Republicans lacked a filibuster proof majority and there was no way in hell that a Democrat would cross and join the Republicans on a pro gun rights bill. So if OAL means nothing as long as the word pistol is included then why didn’t Trump just tell the DOJ to have the ATF set that standard in stone? What the fifth is doing is good news and will provide the clarity going forward on OAL. I have multiple SBR’s. I’d prefer not having to wait a year for another one and if OAL means nothing then the word pistol ( or that ridiculous configuration ) doesn’t even need to enter the discussion anymore but if OAL is a thing then the ATF was just enforcing regs already in place. Trump had the atf reclass bumpstocks as machine guns… what makes you think he would have done braces a favor 
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Posted: 5/23/2023 3:52:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: OAL matters only if there is a stock involved with it. No stock, no rifle. Some States do have their own rules surrounding OAL but I'd rather not get into that. AR pistol configurations have existed long before the pistol brace existed. They'll continue to exist long after this is figured out as the absence of a stock makes it so the firearm is not a rifle. The ATF isn't "just enforcing" anything, they're attempting to lay claim that a device installed on a firearm that is INTENDED to be used around the arm of an individual (not a stock) is actually a stock. I agree that it would be nice for the courts to simply remove SBRs from the NFA and I have my hopes that we might eventually see that but the ATF is not "just doing their job" unless their job is to make criminals out of law abiding citizens. ETA: Even if President Trump had instructed the ATF to "write in stone" that pistol braces were ok, that won't last. Democrats don't give a flying crap what the law reads, as has been shown in numerous States that are ignoring the Bruen decision or trying to find new ways to wiggle around it. The current Puppet in Chief would have simply instructed the ATF to change their minds on pistol braces are go after them yet again. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Either the NFA is the NFA or it’s not. Strike down the perfectly reasonable ATF judgement on this ( based on existing NFA guidance ) and the NFA is 100% modified to no longer include length ( at least ! ). Not sure if sarcasm or retarded We have Reagan’s NFA. Either Reagan’s NFA means something or it doesn’t. I reckon it means something to y’all’s political representatives because Trump had two years where he could have made the NFA go away. The ATF basically telling manufacturers that a lower is either a SBR lower or a Rifle lower is not the ATF overstepping their authority; it is the ATF properly enforcing Regan’s NFA ( regardless of how we feel about the NFA ). If the 5th says that the ATF is overstepping their authority then the fifth is really saying authority was overstepped in the eighty’s when Reagan signed the NFA. This would be a good thing ! But, The NFA has done nothing wrong with this brace thing and I am not retarded because the NFA does currently exist. Apologize now. No.... The ATF is claiming that all brace equipped firearms were actually SBRs, if the barrel was less than 16" or if the OAL was less than 26". They aren't claiming that there are only SBR and rifle lowers as they have very clearly stated removing the brace makes the firearm a pistol. The claim that Trump had "two years to remove the NFA" is also ridiculous and lacks understanding of our political system. The Republicans lacked a filibuster proof majority and there was no way in hell that a Democrat would cross and join the Republicans on a pro gun rights bill. So if OAL means nothing as long as the word pistol is included then why didn’t Trump just tell the DOJ to have the ATF set that standard in stone? What the fifth is doing is good news and will provide the clarity going forward on OAL. I have multiple SBR’s. I’d prefer not having to wait a year for another one and if OAL means nothing then the word pistol ( or that ridiculous configuration ) doesn’t even need to enter the discussion anymore but if OAL is a thing then the ATF was just enforcing regs already in place. OAL matters only if there is a stock involved with it. No stock, no rifle. Some States do have their own rules surrounding OAL but I'd rather not get into that. AR pistol configurations have existed long before the pistol brace existed. They'll continue to exist long after this is figured out as the absence of a stock makes it so the firearm is not a rifle. The ATF isn't "just enforcing" anything, they're attempting to lay claim that a device installed on a firearm that is INTENDED to be used around the arm of an individual (not a stock) is actually a stock. I agree that it would be nice for the courts to simply remove SBRs from the NFA and I have my hopes that we might eventually see that but the ATF is not "just doing their job" unless their job is to make criminals out of law abiding citizens. ETA: Even if President Trump had instructed the ATF to "write in stone" that pistol braces were ok, that won't last. Democrats don't give a flying crap what the law reads, as has been shown in numerous States that are ignoring the Bruen decision or trying to find new ways to wiggle around it. The current Puppet in Chief would have simply instructed the ATF to change their minds on pistol braces are go after them yet again. Fair enough |
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Posted: 5/23/2023 3:53:09 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: All over a device that makes pistol firing more accurate? Danger… And makes a pistol less concealable. You'd think they'd want people to have braces. |
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Posted: 5/23/2023 3:54:39 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: And makes a pistol less concealable. You'd think they'd want people to have braces. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: All over a device that makes pistol firing more accurate? Danger… And makes a pistol less concealable. You'd think they'd want people to have braces. It's not about logic, it's about controlling and disarming you. |
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Posted: 5/23/2023 3:54:51 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: We have Reagan’s NFA. Either Reagan’s NFA means something or it doesn’t. I reckon it means something to y’all’s political representatives because Trump had two years where he could have made the NFA go away. The ATF basically telling manufacturers that a lower is either a SBR lower or a Rifle lower is not the ATF overstepping their authority; it is the ATF properly enforcing Regan’s NFA ( regardless of how we feel about the NFA ). If the 5th says that the ATF is overstepping their authority then the fifth is really saying authority was overstepped in the eighty’s when Reagan signed the NFA. This would be a good thing ! But, The NFA has done nothing wrong with this brace thing and I am not retarded because the NFA does currently exist. Apologize now. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Either the NFA is the NFA or it’s not. Strike down the perfectly reasonable ATF judgement on this ( based on existing NFA guidance ) and the NFA is 100% modified to no longer include length ( at least ! ). Not sure if sarcasm or retarded We have Reagan’s NFA. Either Reagan’s NFA means something or it doesn’t. I reckon it means something to y’all’s political representatives because Trump had two years where he could have made the NFA go away. The ATF basically telling manufacturers that a lower is either a SBR lower or a Rifle lower is not the ATF overstepping their authority; it is the ATF properly enforcing Regan’s NFA ( regardless of how we feel about the NFA ). If the 5th says that the ATF is overstepping their authority then the fifth is really saying authority was overstepped in the eighty’s when Reagan signed the NFA. This would be a good thing ! But, The NFA has done nothing wrong with this brace thing and I am not retarded because the NFA does currently exist. Apologize now. Not a word of this disjointed and rambling word salad makes sense. Shame on you, I hope the other special agents take your lunch money and give you a swirly. |
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Posted: 5/23/2023 3:56:12 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So a curious question for all those that registered for free and converted from a brace to a stock. If this shit gets kicked out entirely I wonder if those will still be legal? You have no actual tax stamp to prove it. |
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Posted: 5/23/2023 4:02:14 PM EDT
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JFC how many gun rights organizations do I have to join?
NRA PAFOA GOA Now WTF is NFC? |
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Posted: 5/23/2023 4:08:16 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So a curious question for all those that registered for free and converted from a brace to a stock. If this shit gets kicked out entirely I wonder if those will still be legal? You have no actual tax stamp to prove it. Pretty sure it says on the "stamp" that it is Approved With Conditions....then on the last page states that the conditions are tied to the ATF rule. I'm not a lawyer but I read that as that the approval is no longer valid if the rule is thrown out. |
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Posted: 5/23/2023 4:09:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: JFC how many gun rights organizations do I have to join? NRA PAFOA GOA Now WTF is NFC? You can skip the NRA unless you enjoy funding new suits for FWLP. |
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Posted: 5/23/2023 4:13:44 PM EDT
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Donation sent!
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Posted: 5/23/2023 4:27:01 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Donating to FPC is money well spent I sent them some money last week, sending more today. link for FPC donaations |
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Posted: 5/23/2023 4:33:28 PM EDT
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$100 sent.
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Posted: 5/23/2023 4:34:31 PM EDT
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Posted: 5/23/2023 4:35:50 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Alas with the rule change went the amnesty and since you have a non-stamped SBR by your own admission if you'd be so kind as to surrender it now. Thank you for your service. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: I think some are wrong... This injunction only applies to the 5th circuit district not all of the US and not only the listed plaintiffs. It is a start but really only helps the 5th district states out. I did the free SBR registration on mine. Even if the new rule is declared unconstitutional, I’m keeping it as is. Even if they make me pay the $200. But this is movement in the right direction. I applaud FPC! Alas with the rule change went the amnesty and since you have a non-stamped SBR by your own admission if you'd be so kind as to surrender it now. Thank you for your service. And must ask for permission to cross state lines. |
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Posted: 5/23/2023 4:40:15 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Sent them $100. If I win that god-awful pistol, I'm asking for a refund. Quote Historylol |
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Posted: 5/23/2023 4:40:30 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So if OAL means nothing as long as the word pistol is included then why didn’t Trump just tell the DOJ to have the ATF set that standard in stone? What the fifth is doing is good news and will provide the clarity going forward on OAL. I have multiple SBR’s. I’d prefer not having to wait a year for another one and if OAL means nothing then the word pistol ( or that ridiculous configuration ) doesn’t even need to enter the discussion anymore but if OAL is a thing then the ATF was just enforcing regs already in place. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Either the NFA is the NFA or it’s not. Strike down the perfectly reasonable ATF judgement on this ( based on existing NFA guidance ) and the NFA is 100% modified to no longer include length ( at least ! ). Not sure if sarcasm or retarded We have Reagan’s NFA. Either Reagan’s NFA means something or it doesn’t. I reckon it means something to y’all’s political representatives because Trump had two years where he could have made the NFA go away. The ATF basically telling manufacturers that a lower is either a SBR lower or a Rifle lower is not the ATF overstepping their authority; it is the ATF properly enforcing Regan’s NFA ( regardless of how we feel about the NFA ). If the 5th says that the ATF is overstepping their authority then the fifth is really saying authority was overstepped in the eighty’s when Reagan signed the NFA. This would be a good thing ! But, The NFA has done nothing wrong with this brace thing and I am not retarded because the NFA does currently exist. Apologize now. No.... The ATF is claiming that all brace equipped firearms were actually SBRs, if the barrel was less than 16" or if the OAL was less than 26". They aren't claiming that there are only SBR and rifle lowers as they have very clearly stated removing the brace makes the firearm a pistol. The claim that Trump had "two years to remove the NFA" is also ridiculous and lacks understanding of our political system. The Republicans lacked a filibuster proof majority and there was no way in hell that a Democrat would cross and join the Republicans on a pro gun rights bill. So if OAL means nothing as long as the word pistol is included then why didn’t Trump just tell the DOJ to have the ATF set that standard in stone? What the fifth is doing is good news and will provide the clarity going forward on OAL. I have multiple SBR’s. I’d prefer not having to wait a year for another one and if OAL means nothing then the word pistol ( or that ridiculous configuration ) doesn’t even need to enter the discussion anymore but if OAL is a thing then the ATF was just enforcing regs already in place. Your comprehension is terrible. |
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Posted: 5/23/2023 4:43:56 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Sent them $100. If I win that god-awful pistol, I'm asking for a refund. Quote HistoryHonestly? That seems reasonable. |
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Posted: 5/23/2023 4:47:05 PM EDT
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Posted: 5/23/2023 4:53:50 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: FPC with another big win. Good Job! It’s not a win yet. |
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Posted: 5/23/2023 4:54:57 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Your comprehension is terrible. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Either the NFA is the NFA or it’s not. Strike down the perfectly reasonable ATF judgement on this ( based on existing NFA guidance ) and the NFA is 100% modified to no longer include length ( at least ! ). Not sure if sarcasm or retarded We have Reagan’s NFA. Either Reagan’s NFA means something or it doesn’t. I reckon it means something to y’all’s political representatives because Trump had two years where he could have made the NFA go away. The ATF basically telling manufacturers that a lower is either a SBR lower or a Rifle lower is not the ATF overstepping their authority; it is the ATF properly enforcing Regan’s NFA ( regardless of how we feel about the NFA ). If the 5th says that the ATF is overstepping their authority then the fifth is really saying authority was overstepped in the eighty’s when Reagan signed the NFA. This would be a good thing ! But, The NFA has done nothing wrong with this brace thing and I am not retarded because the NFA does currently exist. Apologize now. No.... The ATF is claiming that all brace equipped firearms were actually SBRs, if the barrel was less than 16" or if the OAL was less than 26". They aren't claiming that there are only SBR and rifle lowers as they have very clearly stated removing the brace makes the firearm a pistol. The claim that Trump had "two years to remove the NFA" is also ridiculous and lacks understanding of our political system. The Republicans lacked a filibuster proof majority and there was no way in hell that a Democrat would cross and join the Republicans on a pro gun rights bill. So if OAL means nothing as long as the word pistol is included then why didn’t Trump just tell the DOJ to have the ATF set that standard in stone? What the fifth is doing is good news and will provide the clarity going forward on OAL. I have multiple SBR’s. I’d prefer not having to wait a year for another one and if OAL means nothing then the word pistol ( or that ridiculous configuration ) doesn’t even need to enter the discussion anymore but if OAL is a thing then the ATF was just enforcing regs already in place. Your comprehension is terrible. Honest to god ...... Either register your "braced" pistol tax-free, throw away the brace, or don't comply The amount of mental masturbation that's been going on here lately by Youtube-educated NFA law specialists is , quite frankly, absurd |
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Posted: 5/23/2023 4:56:06 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: We have Reagan’s NFA. Either Reagan’s NFA means something or it doesn’t. I reckon it means something to y’all’s political representatives because Trump had two years where he could have made the NFA go away. The ATF basically telling manufacturers that a lower is either a SBR lower or a Rifle lower is not the ATF overstepping their authority; it is the ATF properly enforcing Regan’s NFA ( regardless of how we feel about the NFA ). If the 5th says that the ATF is overstepping their authority then the fifth is really saying authority was overstepped in the eighty’s when Reagan signed the NFA. This would be a good thing ! But, The NFA has done nothing wrong with this brace thing and I am not retarded because the NFA does currently exist. Apologize now. what a big helping of "I'm full of shit" |
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Posted: 5/23/2023 5:00:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: FATF FRR FDJT Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Either the NFA is the NFA or it’s not. Strike down the perfectly reasonable ATF judgement on this ( based on existing NFA guidance ) and the NFA is 100% modified to no longer include length ( at least ! ). Not sure if sarcasm or retarded We have Reagan’s NFA. Either Reagan’s NFA means something or it doesn’t. I reckon it means something to y’all’s political representatives because Trump had two years where he could have made the NFA go away. The ATF basically telling manufacturers that a lower is either a SBR lower or a Rifle lower is not the ATF overstepping their authority; it is the ATF properly enforcing Regan’s NFA ( regardless of how we feel about the NFA ). If the 5th says that the ATF is overstepping their authority then the fifth is really saying authority was overstepped in the eighty’s when Reagan signed the NFA. This would be a good thing ! But, The NFA has done nothing wrong with this brace thing and I am not retarded because the NFA does currently exist. Apologize now. FATF FRR FDJT You forgot “fuck people who write in candidates”. |
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Posted: 5/23/2023 5:02:00 PM EDT
[#34]
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Posted: 5/23/2023 5:02:19 PM EDT
[#35]
Quote HistoryQuoted: So if OAL means nothing as long as the word pistol is included then why didn’t Trump just tell the DOJ to have the ATF set that standard in stone? What the fifth is doing is good news and will provide the clarity going forward on OAL. I have multiple SBR’s. I’d prefer not having to wait a year for another one and if OAL means nothing then the word pistol ( or that ridiculous configuration ) doesn’t even need to enter the discussion anymore but if OAL is a thing then the ATF was just enforcing regs already in place. YouSeriousClark. gif Will President Trump Let ATF Continue to Rule by Unchecked Diktat with Honey Badger AR pistol w/ Brace ‘Reclassification'?(October 09, 2020) |
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Posted: 5/23/2023 5:04:51 PM EDT
[#36]
Quote HistoryQuoted: We have Reagan’s NFA. Either Reagan’s NFA means something or it doesn’t. I reckon it means something to y’all’s political representatives because Trump had two years where he could have made the NFA go away. The ATF basically telling manufacturers that a lower is either a SBR lower or a Rifle lower is not the ATF overstepping their authority; it is the ATF properly enforcing Regan’s NFA ( regardless of how we feel about the NFA ). If the 5th says that the ATF is overstepping their authority then the fifth is really saying authority was overstepped in the eighty’s when Reagan signed the NFA. This would be a good thing ! But, The NFA has done nothing wrong with this brace thing and I am not retarded because the NFA does currently exist. Apologize now. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Either the NFA is the NFA or it’s not. Strike down the perfectly reasonable ATF judgement on this ( based on existing NFA guidance ) and the NFA is 100% modified to no longer include length ( at least ! ). Not sure if sarcasm or retarded We have Reagan’s NFA. Either Reagan’s NFA means something or it doesn’t. I reckon it means something to y’all’s political representatives because Trump had two years where he could have made the NFA go away. The ATF basically telling manufacturers that a lower is either a SBR lower or a Rifle lower is not the ATF overstepping their authority; it is the ATF properly enforcing Regan’s NFA ( regardless of how we feel about the NFA ). If the 5th says that the ATF is overstepping their authority then the fifth is really saying authority was overstepped in the eighty’s when Reagan signed the NFA. This would be a good thing ! But, The NFA has done nothing wrong with this brace thing and I am not retarded because the NFA does currently exist. Apologize now. At first I had trouble understanding this post, but then I realized you'd changed your username and avatar. The post still makes no sense, but it makes sense that you posted it. |
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Posted: 5/23/2023 5:08:00 PM EDT
[#37]
I’d love to know how much FPC gets in donations today. I helped, lol
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Posted: 5/23/2023 5:12:00 PM EDT
[#38]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Alas with the rule change went the amnesty and since you have a non-stamped SBR by your own admission if you'd be so kind as to surrender it now. Thank you for your service. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: I think some are wrong... This injunction only applies to the 5th circuit district not all of the US and not only the listed plaintiffs. It is a start but really only helps the 5th district states out. I did the free SBR registration on mine. Even if the new rule is declared unconstitutional, I’m keeping it as is. Even if they make me pay the $200. But this is movement in the right direction. I applaud FPC! Alas with the rule change went the amnesty and since you have a non-stamped SBR by your own admission if you'd be so kind as to surrender it now. Thank you for your service. Pretty sure you can just put back on the brace and have no issues. |
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Posted: 5/23/2023 5:12:55 PM EDT
[#39]
Quote HistoryQuoted: At first I had trouble understanding this post, but then I realized you'd changed your username and avatar. The post still makes no sense, but it makes sense that you posted it. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Either the NFA is the NFA or it’s not. Strike down the perfectly reasonable ATF judgement on this ( based on existing NFA guidance ) and the NFA is 100% modified to no longer include length ( at least ! ). Not sure if sarcasm or retarded We have Reagan’s NFA. Either Reagan’s NFA means something or it doesn’t. I reckon it means something to y’all’s political representatives because Trump had two years where he could have made the NFA go away. The ATF basically telling manufacturers that a lower is either a SBR lower or a Rifle lower is not the ATF overstepping their authority; it is the ATF properly enforcing Regan’s NFA ( regardless of how we feel about the NFA ). If the 5th says that the ATF is overstepping their authority then the fifth is really saying authority was overstepped in the eighty’s when Reagan signed the NFA. This would be a good thing ! But, The NFA has done nothing wrong with this brace thing and I am not retarded because the NFA does currently exist. Apologize now. At first I had trouble understanding this post, but then I realized you'd changed your username and avatar. The post still makes no sense, but it makes sense that you posted it. Yeah it reeked of 01911 or whatever his name wa |
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Posted: 5/23/2023 5:14:18 PM EDT
[#40]
Donated. THANK YOU FPC for standing up and fighting.
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Posted: 5/23/2023 5:20:49 PM EDT
[#41]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Not sure if sarcasm or retarded Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Either the NFA is the NFA or it’s not. Strike down the perfectly reasonable ATF judgement on this ( based on existing NFA guidance ) and the NFA is 100% modified to no longer include length ( at least ! ). Not sure if sarcasm or retarded This is ARFCOM so both. 
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Posted: 5/23/2023 5:27:20 PM EDT
[#42]
Quote HistoryQuoted:Diet Dr. Pepper tastes more like regular Dr. Pepper 
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Posted: 5/23/2023 5:30:22 PM EDT
[#43]
Quote HistoryQuoted:For disabled shooters to be able to shoot pistols. The state should issue brace certificates along with handicapped parking. So to own a brace I have to be obese? 
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Posted: 5/23/2023 5:35:06 PM EDT
[#44]
$30 sent.
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Posted: 5/23/2023 5:38:12 PM EDT
[#45]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Destroyed mine. Will they issue a refund? No refund, but perhaps a complimentary reach-around if you ask nicely. |
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Posted: 5/23/2023 5:39:49 PM EDT
[#46]
Quote HistoryQuoted: No refund, but perhaps a complimentary reach-around if you ask nicely.  |
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Posted: 5/23/2023 5:46:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted:https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/195/FS8BfnqWQAEUhfC_jpg-2826611.JPG Both are bearable arms. Kharny |
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Posted: 5/23/2023 5:51:58 PM EDT
[#48]
Donated. You go, FPC!
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Posted: 5/23/2023 5:53:04 PM EDT
[#49]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Either the NFA is the NFA or it's not. Strike down the perfectly reasonable ATF judgement on this ( based on existing NFA guidance ) and the NFA is 100% modified to no longer include length ( at least ! ).  |
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Posted: 5/23/2023 5:54:13 PM EDT
[#50]
Quote HistoryQuoted: This is ARFCOM so both. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Either the NFA is the NFA or it’s not. Strike down the perfectly reasonable ATF judgement on this ( based on existing NFA guidance ) and the NFA is 100% modified to no longer include length ( at least ! ). Not sure if sarcasm or retarded This is ARFCOM so both. Keep reading….clarification was made 
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