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Posted: 5/25/2023 10:27:29 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Fighting criminals is hard, so no crack down on inner city switch users. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: dollars to dog shit says there will be a pistol brace false-flag event before this gets much farther But the weird flex is that it is on pistol braces, not Glock Switches. So, essentially, not a program to save lives, but a program to get numbers. Massive numbers. To squeeze later? There is a reason they are going this route. Fighting criminals is hard, so no crack down on inner city switch users. They aren't interested in traditional law enforcement. It's politics. Trying to turn political enemies into criminals. |
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Posted: 5/25/2023 10:32:36 PM EDT
[#2]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Fighting criminals is hard, so no crack down on inner city switch users. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: dollars to dog shit says there will be a pistol brace false-flag event before this gets much farther But the weird flex is that it is on pistol braces, not Glock Switches. So, essentially, not a program to save lives, but a program to get numbers. Massive numbers. To squeeze later? There is a reason they are going this route. Fighting criminals is hard, so no crack down on inner city switch users. But they are playing a much more dangerous game. They are banking on it not being an absolutely terminal game if they push too hard, too quick. It must be worth something quite significant. Right? |
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Posted: 5/25/2023 11:18:26 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: They're afraid of the gang bangers with Glock switches. They'd rather target families. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: But the weird flex is that it is on pistol braces, not Glock Switches. So, essentially, not a program to save lives, but a program to get numbers. Massive numbers. To squeeze later? There is a reason they are going this route. They're afraid of the gang bangers with Glock switches. They'd rather target families. Gang bangers give 0 fucks about shooting back Family men are more likely to register and hope to be left alone |
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Posted: 5/25/2023 11:21:46 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The problem with the amnesty is the original 68 gca has no provisions for a single item amnesty. It was intended to be used more than once and it only allowed I think for 90 days maximum. The atf is again making up rules. Can you cite this? |
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Posted: 5/26/2023 9:52:06 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Because ATF isn't sure they can win a criminal prosecution. The rule of lenity means the law should be read in favor of the defendants in criminal prosecutions. If ATF loses companies around America will be free to build forced reset designs without fear of prison time. So ATF is suing civilly hoping they can win in NY. Meanwhile they go around threatening prosecution to encourage surrendering FRT's that have been sold and telling gun dealers they will take their license if they make or sell FRT designs. This is the only rational explanation..Otherwise Delmonico would be in prison. To the individual user this means that the legal threat is bullshit. Imagine trying to prosecute regular Joe Blow while the manufacturer goes unprosecuted. |
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Posted: 5/26/2023 10:01:38 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Fighting criminals is hard, so no crack down on inner city switch users. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: dollars to dog shit says there will be a pistol brace false-flag event before this gets much farther But the weird flex is that it is on pistol braces, not Glock Switches. So, essentially, not a program to save lives, but a program to get numbers. Massive numbers. To squeeze later? There is a reason they are going this route. Fighting criminals is hard, so no crack down on inner city switch users. Peel's Principle #9 is: "To recognize always that the test of police efficiency is the absence of crime and disorder, and not the visible evidence of police action in dealing with them." Since all Law Enforcement agencies violate this these days, arresting a guy with a brace that's never done anything criminal looks the same on their metrics as arresting a guy with a switch. And, as Nexttime said, is far far safer. |
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Posted: 5/26/2023 10:10:57 AM EDT
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Nothing new so far, but a good update as the state of the 4 cases out there plus a tad on the latest EPA case.
 Pistol Brace Status Report: 05:26:2023 Some Issues To Know |
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Posted: 5/26/2023 10:13:57 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Peel's Principle #9 is: "To recognize always that the test of police efficiency is the absence of crime and disorder, and not the visible evidence of police action in dealing with them." Since all Law Enforcement agencies violate this these days, arresting a guy with a brace that's never done anything criminal looks the same on their metrics as arresting a guy with a switch. And, as Nexttime said, is far far safer. When you are a hammer, everything is a nail…but some nails are more equal than others. |
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Posted: 5/26/2023 3:36:30 PM EDT
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Posted: 5/26/2023 3:37:13 PM EDT
[#10]
Well that’s good news
ETA. Join and support FPC |
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Posted: 5/26/2023 5:07:13 PM EDT
[#11]
Don’t know if donating now makes you a “member” for purposes of the injunction. But you donate anyway
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Posted: 5/26/2023 5:23:03 PM EDT
[#12]
Nope - you must have been an FPC member when the litigation was filed.
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Posted: 5/26/2023 5:32:51 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Nope - you must have been an FPC member when the litigation was filed. Which is complicated because FPC does not do membership cards and numbers like NRA |
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Posted: 5/26/2023 5:46:57 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Which is complicated because FPC does not do membership cards and numbers like NRA Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Nope - you must have been an FPC member when the litigation was filed. Which is complicated because FPC does not do membership cards and numbers like NRA No ID required to vote, no ID required for this. |
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Posted: 5/26/2023 5:58:33 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Nope - you must have been an FPC member when the litigation was filed. False |
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Posted: 5/26/2023 6:29:42 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Nope - you must have been an FPC member when the litigation was filed. Here's one of the videos with actual words on it:  BREAKING & EPIC: 1 MILLION NOW COVERED by injunction!!! ATF takes ANOTHER "L" in Pistol Brace Rule.. |
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Posted: 5/26/2023 6:36:51 PM EDT
[#17]
ATF " So Who did you buy your brace from?"
"If I recall correctly, it was maxim Defense." -40 million Americans |
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Posted: 5/26/2023 6:40:36 PM EDT
[#18]
“since day one of this litigation.”
Were you a member since day one of the litigation? |
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Posted: 5/26/2023 6:50:00 PM EDT
[#19]
Quote HistoryQuoted: “since day one of this litigation.” Were you a member since day one of the litigation? Honest question.....how would they know? Does FPC keep records of when members signed up? |
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Posted: 5/26/2023 7:03:44 PM EDT
[#20]
Quote HistoryQuoted: ATF " So Who did you buy your brace from?" "If I recall correctly, it was maxim Defense." -40 million Americans Never talk to feds. Never lie to feds. -Martha Stewart |
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Posted: 5/26/2023 7:13:45 PM EDT
[#21]
Quote HistoryQuoted: “since day one of this litigation.” Were you a member since day one of the litigation? ?Plaintiffs’ to include the customers and members whose interests Plaintiffs Maxim Defense and Firearms Policy Coalition (?FPC’) have represented since day one of this litigation is correct.’ Sounds to me like the statement is saying the FPC has been representing all its customers and members since the beginning of the litigation. Otherwise it should say ‘only the plaintiffs who were members or customers since day one of the litigation’. |
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Posted: 5/26/2023 7:18:57 PM EDT
[#22]
Quote HistoryQuoted: ?Plaintiffs’ to include the customers and members whose interests Plaintiffs Maxim Defense and Firearms Policy Coalition (?FPC’) have represented since day one of this litigation is correct.’ Sounds to me like the statement is saying the FPC has been representing all its customers and members since the beginning of the litigation. Otherwise it should say ‘only the plaintiffs who were members or customers since day one of the litigation’. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: “since day one of this litigation.” Were you a member since day one of the litigation? ?Plaintiffs’ to include the customers and members whose interests Plaintiffs Maxim Defense and Firearms Policy Coalition (?FPC’) have represented since day one of this litigation is correct.’ Sounds to me like the statement is saying the FPC has been representing all its customers and members since the beginning of the litigation. Otherwise it should say ‘only the plaintiffs who were members or customers since day one of the litigation’. Im gonna go with: slightly vague on purpose |
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Posted: 5/26/2023 8:04:24 PM EDT
[#23]
It might as well be a nationwide injunction.
The rule is basically unenforceable until these cases are over. |
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Posted: 5/26/2023 9:29:02 PM EDT
[#24]
So the injunction applies to members of FPC but not GOA?.... Have I been sending my money to the wrong organization?
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Posted: 5/26/2023 9:32:55 PM EDT
[#25]
Quote HistoryQuoted: So the injunction applies to members of FPC but not GOA?.... Have I been sending my money to the wrong organization? GOA does good work too. But FPC has been killing it. |
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Posted: 5/26/2023 9:38:40 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: GOA does good work too. But FPC has been killing it. I thought GOA had been killing it.... And that's where I've been sending my second amendment contributions to since the late 80s... I hope I have not been back in the wrong horse all this time |
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Posted: 5/26/2023 9:41:37 PM EDT
[#27]
Check your emails people...
xxxxx, We're sending you this email in light of today's opinion regarding who is covered by the pistol brace injunction in FPC's case. If you are receiving this email, you are an active member per our records and covered by the injunction. Should you have any questions, please contact our customer support team at [email protected]. Also, please remember to encourage your friends and family to join as well at JoinFPC.org to be covered under the injunction. Stay Free, Firearms Policy Coalition |
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Posted: 5/26/2023 9:51:08 PM EDT
[#28]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I thought GOA had been killing it.... And that's where I've been sending my second amendment contributions to since the late 80s... I hope I have not been back in the wrong horse all this time Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted:  GOA does good work too. But FPC has been killing it. I thought GOA had been killing it.... And that's where I've been sending my second amendment contributions to since the late 80s... I hope I have not been back in the wrong horse all this time Different case, different judge, they are in the fight and I have worked with Nolo extensively on one of his cases. You are not backing the wrong horse by supporting GOA. It’s ARFCOM, get both motherfucker! |
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Posted: 5/26/2023 9:52:42 PM EDT
[#29]
Quote HistoryQuoted: It might as well be a nationwide injunction. The rule is basically unenforceable until these cases are over. Yeah, that 'clarification' reads like Robert E. Lee's "...take the hill, if practicable." You could drive a giant dump truck through that qualification. |
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Posted: 5/26/2023 9:57:18 PM EDT
[#30]
Quote HistoryQuoted: It might as well be a nationwide injunction. The rule is basically unenforceable until these cases are over. yeah, I've been thinking de facto universal injunction until the appeal is ruled. |
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Posted: 5/26/2023 10:00:12 PM EDT
[#31]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Check your emails people... |
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Posted: 5/26/2023 10:04:40 PM EDT
[#32]
Quote HistoryQuoted: So the injunction applies to members of FPC but not GOA?.... Have I been sending my money to the wrong organization? Get both |
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Posted: 5/26/2023 10:06:07 PM EDT
[#33]
This is from FPC's website when you click to join:
It's official: the injunction granted in FPC's pistol brace lawsuit applies to ALL FPC MEMBERS. LET'S FUCKING GO!! All FPC Members are covered by this injunction. Join Today! If you do, you will also automatically be entered to WIN a Custom "FPC" Glock generously donated by Rhino First Arms! |
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Posted: 5/26/2023 10:19:59 PM EDT
[#34]
I must have clicked on an older join link.
https://secure.anedot.com/firearmspolicycoalition/srm_1216?sc=joingaw |
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Posted: 5/26/2023 11:08:40 PM EDT
[#35]
Quote HistoryQuoted: “since day one of this litigation.” Were you a member since day one of the litigation? You have 8 total posts, and at least 3 of them are downplaying this ruling. Is your shift over? |
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Posted: 5/26/2023 11:17:13 PM EDT
[#36]
To add another data point
Joined FPC today, no email so far |
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Posted: 5/26/2023 11:23:24 PM EDT
[#37]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I got same email. I joined 2 days ago. I got it too. Been sending them money for some time. |
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Posted: 5/26/2023 11:25:18 PM EDT
[#38]
Bump for the FPC members being covered.
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Posted: 5/26/2023 11:28:06 PM EDT
[#39]
I got the email. Braces for errrrybody.
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Posted: 5/26/2023 11:29:17 PM EDT
[#40]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Bump for the FPC members being covered. Nationwide FPC members or only in 5th Circuit? 
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Posted: 5/26/2023 11:30:56 PM EDT
[#41]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I thought GOA had been killing it.... And that's where I've been sending my second amendment contributions to since the late 80s... I hope I have not been back in the wrong horse all this time GOA's date in court is next week. They might get a nationwide injunction. |
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Posted: 5/26/2023 11:55:31 PM EDT
[#42]
Quote HistoryQuoted: dollars to dog shit says there will be a pistol brace false-flag event before this gets much farther Pure evil murdering people for political gain. |
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Posted: 5/27/2023 12:04:57 AM EDT
[#43]
I've been a member of FPF forever. Just joined FPC as well.
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Posted: 5/27/2023 12:06:43 AM EDT
[#44]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I got same email. I joined 2 days ago. I join 3 days ago and nothing. I'm sure they are super busy, so this isn't a complaint. |
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Posted: 5/27/2023 8:17:21 AM EDT
[#45]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Different case, different judge, they are in the fight and I have worked with Nolo extensively on one of his cases. You are not backing the wrong horse by supporting GOA. It’s ARFCOM, get both motherfucker! Got both!!!! |
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Posted: 5/27/2023 8:20:58 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Can you cite this? The 1968 gca. |
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Posted: 5/27/2023 9:37:44 AM EDT
[#47]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Different case, different judge, they are in the fight and I have worked with Nolo extensively on one of his cases. You are not backing the wrong horse by supporting GOA. It’s ARFCOM, get both motherfucker!  Attached File |
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Posted: 5/27/2023 10:38:16 AM EDT
[#48]
Quote HistoryQuoted: yeah, I've been thinking de facto universal injunction until the appeal is ruled. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: It might as well be a nationwide injunction. The rule is basically unenforceable until these cases are over. yeah, I've been thinking de facto universal injunction until the appeal is ruled. |
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Posted: 5/27/2023 1:27:38 PM EDT
[#49]
 How There Will Be NO Nationwide Injunction on ATF's Pistol Brace Rule |
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Posted: 5/27/2023 1:36:36 PM EDT
[#50]
Quote HistoryQuoted: It might as well be a nationwide injunction. The rule is basically unenforceable until these cases are over. Nationwide injunction ain't happening |
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