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Posted: 6/28/2017 1:30:42 PM EST

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Which part of the "police work"? That's a rather broad brush.

A K9 alerting on drywall is unacceptable "police work".

Patrol officers using a field test kit and believing the results isn't unacceptable "police work" on the front line officers part.

A testing lab determining the substance is not cocaine is acceptable "police work". A testing lab taking 90 days to run the test isn't a front line officers issue.

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I did go back and re-read. You said there were "issues" and "problems" but then state that he wasn't in jail because of that but because of violating the terms of his probation which he of course did not.

You still are pretty far from stating that this was unacceptable police work.

Issues/problems with the dog, with the field test and with the lab taking 3 months. The drug/drywell stuff should have never happened and that's a failure on the LE Dept/Officer/K9/K9 training as well as the field test kit provider. A 3 month backlog in a lab isn't exactly a street level police work issue.

Feel free to explain how the Probation (or Parole) system should work when a person is suspected of violating their Probation terms. Should the person be able to remain on the street until the newly suspected crimes/violations are found guilty BRD in court? If so, WTF purpose does Probation serve?

Probation terms can include abstaining from alcohol - a perfectly legal activity (for those over 21 y/o) - yet the simple possession of a bottle of beer could put someone back in jail.

With just one word, was the police work acceptable or unacceptable?

Which part of the "police work"? That's a rather broad brush.

A K9 alerting on drywall is unacceptable "police work".

Patrol officers using a field test kit and believing the results isn't unacceptable "police work" on the front line officers part.

A testing lab determining the substance is not cocaine is acceptable "police work". A testing lab taking 90 days to run the test isn't a front line officers issue.

So since the field test kit was only done because the unacceptable K9 work, and the lab test was only because of the unacceptable field test kit, then the entire 90 incarceration was unacceptable?

Posted: 6/28/2017 1:31:33 PM EST

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Feel free to post the list of the cops........................

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You are truly delusional.

No, he's right.

There are a small few cops here who could see a video of a cop skull fucking a baby to death and would still defend the actions...

It is absurd the lengths a small few will go to try and justify the unjustifiable.

Feel free to post the list of the cops........................

And get this locked as a call-out thread?

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Posted: 6/28/2017 1:34:56 PM EST

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So since the field test kit was only done because the unacceptable K9 work, and the lab test was only because of the unacceptable field test kit, then the entire 90 incarceration was unacceptable?

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I did go back and re-read. You said there were "issues" and "problems" but then state that he wasn't in jail because of that but because of violating the terms of his probation which he of course did not.

You still are pretty far from stating that this was unacceptable police work.

Issues/problems with the dog, with the field test and with the lab taking 3 months. The drug/drywell stuff should have never happened and that's a failure on the LE Dept/Officer/K9/K9 training as well as the field test kit provider. A 3 month backlog in a lab isn't exactly a street level police work issue.

Feel free to explain how the Probation (or Parole) system should work when a person is suspected of violating their Probation terms. Should the person be able to remain on the street until the newly suspected crimes/violations are found guilty BRD in court? If so, WTF purpose does Probation serve?

Probation terms can include abstaining from alcohol - a perfectly legal activity (for those over 21 y/o) - yet the simple possession of a bottle of beer could put someone back in jail.

With just one word, was the police work acceptable or unacceptable?

Which part of the "police work"? That's a rather broad brush.

A K9 alerting on drywall is unacceptable "police work".

Patrol officers using a field test kit and believing the results isn't unacceptable "police work" on the front line officers part.

A testing lab determining the substance is not cocaine is acceptable "police work". A testing lab taking 90 days to run the test isn't a front line officers issue.

So since the field test kit was only done because the unacceptable K9 work, and the lab test was only because of the unacceptable field test kit, then the entire 90 incarceration was unacceptable?

The 90 day incarceration was unacceptable - as previously stated (or at least implied to anyone without blinders on).

Incarceration /=/ Police Work - you are moving the goal posts.

Posted: 6/28/2017 1:35:28 PM EST

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Well played - sort of

Posted: 6/28/2017 1:38:02 PM EST

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The 90 day incarceration was unacceptable - as previously stated (or at least implied to anyone without blinders on).

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This is like blaming the undertaker for burying someone after you shot them to death.

The unacceptable police work using the dog (your assessment) is what led to his incarceration.

Posted: 6/28/2017 1:41:32 PM EST

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The 90 day incarceration was unacceptable - as previously stated (or at least implied to anyone without blinders on).

Incarceration /=/ Police Work - you are moving the goal posts.

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I did go back and re-read. You said there were "issues" and "problems" but then state that he wasn't in jail because of that but because of violating the terms of his probation which he of course did not.

You still are pretty far from stating that this was unacceptable police work.

Issues/problems with the dog, with the field test and with the lab taking 3 months. The drug/drywell stuff should have never happened and that's a failure on the LE Dept/Officer/K9/K9 training as well as the field test kit provider. A 3 month backlog in a lab isn't exactly a street level police work issue.

Feel free to explain how the Probation (or Parole) system should work when a person is suspected of violating their Probation terms. Should the person be able to remain on the street until the newly suspected crimes/violations are found guilty BRD in court? If so, WTF purpose does Probation serve?

Probation terms can include abstaining from alcohol - a perfectly legal activity (for those over 21 y/o) - yet the simple possession of a bottle of beer could put someone back in jail.

With just one word, was the police work acceptable or unacceptable?

Which part of the "police work"? That's a rather broad brush.

A K9 alerting on drywall is unacceptable "police work".

Patrol officers using a field test kit and believing the results isn't unacceptable "police work" on the front line officers part.

A testing lab determining the substance is not cocaine is acceptable "police work". A testing lab taking 90 days to run the test isn't a front line officers issue.

So since the field test kit was only done because the unacceptable K9 work, and the lab test was only because of the unacceptable field test kit, then the entire 90 incarceration was unacceptable?

The 90 day incarceration was unacceptable - as previously stated (or at least implied to anyone without blinders on).

Incarceration /=/ Police Work - you are moving the goal posts.

So how would he have made it to the one outside agency you can pin the blame on if the dog that started the chain of failures hadn't performed unacceptably?

Posted: 6/28/2017 1:58:31 PM EST

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Yep all they had to do was make a notation of it and check it to verify when they get back to the station. If it turns out the computer was right all they had to do was call and report it to his probation officer the next day. Let them deal with it.

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But that would help break the chain of retardedness.

Posted: 6/28/2017 2:02:12 PM EST

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Watch the agricultural detection dogs work at customs. Calm quiet handler walks along letting the dog do his thing. If the dog alerts it sits down.

Watch podunk police force drug dog work. All sorts of "Good Boy! Go Find It!" and nervous energy from the handlers.

Hmmmmm

Posted: 6/28/2017 2:03:53 PM EST

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My agency did not allow field test kits. We make arrests based on training and experience, but the arrestee can't be held over a few hours without a chemical test that has been dead nuts accurate in every case. That's still not good enough for the DA. We have to have lab test results (GC/MS) in-hand to get a case filed.

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And still sometimes the materials found to be drugs are not drugs.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/04/18/us/annie-dookhan-drug-tests/index.html

Posted: 6/28/2017 2:11:10 PM EST

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Did I miss where you did anything other than state it's acceptable that he was locked away for three months because police identified drywall as cocaine?

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You are truly delusional.

Did I miss where you did anything other than state it's acceptable that he was locked away for three months because police identified drywall as cocaine?

No you did not, I wonder what he's going to do when he finally catches a private citizen in his state who did nothing wrong except have a 30rd mag.

I'm pretty sure I know the answer

Posted: 6/28/2017 2:18:34 PM EST

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Issues/problems with the dog, with the field test and with the lab taking 3 months. The drug/drywell stuff should have never happened and that's a failure on the LE Dept/Officer/K9/K9 training as well as the field test kit provider. A 3 month backlog in a lab isn't exactly a street level police work issue.

Feel free to explain how the Probation (or Parole) system should work when a person is suspected of violating their Probation terms. Should the person be able to remain on the street until the newly suspected crimes/violations are found guilty BRD in court? If so, WTF purpose does Probation serve?

Probation terms can include abstaining from alcohol - a perfectly legal activity (for those over 21 y/o) - yet the simple possession of a bottle of beer could put someone back in jail.

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I did go back and re-read. You said there were "issues" and "problems" but then state that he wasn't in jail because of that but because of violating the terms of his probation which he of course did not.

You still are pretty far from stating that this was unacceptable police work.

Issues/problems with the dog, with the field test and with the lab taking 3 months. The drug/drywell stuff should have never happened and that's a failure on the LE Dept/Officer/K9/K9 training as well as the field test kit provider. A 3 month backlog in a lab isn't exactly a street level police work issue.

Feel free to explain how the Probation (or Parole) system should work when a person is suspected of violating their Probation terms. Should the person be able to remain on the street until the newly suspected crimes/violations are found guilty BRD in court? If so, WTF purpose does Probation serve?

Probation terms can include abstaining from alcohol - a perfectly legal activity (for those over 21 y/o) - yet the simple possession of a bottle of beer could put someone back in jail.

So in essence, you agree that this event should have never happened and it's a failure of the system, and somebody should at a bare minimum seek to make sure this doesn't happen again.

So what the fuck are you even arguing, you agree with us but then you double back and defend the cops. He only "violated his parole" over sheer preventable stupidity and lack of giving a fuck, how is this defend-able?

This is why terms like TBL & JBT get thrown around, you agree with what we're saying but still defend the cop for doing things you personally disagree with, its asinine.

Posted: 6/28/2017 2:21:02 PM EST

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Kinda sad actually.

I and a few others get called out all the time because our opinions are unpopular. Personal I don't care or mind. It's actually expected in forums.

Maybe it says more about the actual people being called out and not the act of calling out in general?

Posted: 6/28/2017 2:25:01 PM EST

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And still sometimes the materials found to be drugs are not drugs.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/04/18/us/annie-dookhan-drug-tests/index.html

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It's normal in police work these days.

I've seen test results for suspected marijuana come back for everything from lettuce to carpet... and in every single case the trooper really did believe it was weed.

Posted: 6/28/2017 2:48:00 PM EST

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So how would he have made it to the one outside agency you can pin the blame on if the dog that started the chain of failures hadn't performed unacceptably?

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Is the video on the previous page really the correct stop? If it is, the driver was under arrest for probation violation before the "drug" issue ever came up.

It sounds like there was an issue with the curfew time as well and that's the actual root cause - sounded like the cop was just going to do a warning for the DRL issue but may have searched the car once the probation issue came to light, no way of knowing for sure.

This whole thing is a giant shit sandwich.

Posted: 6/28/2017 2:49:50 PM EST

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No you did not, I wonder what he's going to do when he finally catches a private citizen in his state who did nothing wrong except have a 30rd mag.

I'm pretty sure I know the answer

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You are truly delusional.

Did I miss where you did anything other than state it's acceptable that he was locked away for three months because police identified drywall as cocaine?

No you did not, I wonder what he's going to do when he finally catches a private citizen in his state who did nothing wrong except have a 30rd mag.

I'm pretty sure I know the answer

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Posted: 6/28/2017 2:52:51 PM EST

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It's normal in police work these days.

I've seen test results for suspected marijuana come back for everything from lettuce to carpet... and in every single case the trooper really did believe it was weed.

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And still sometimes the materials found to be drugs are not drugs.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/04/18/us/annie-dookhan-drug-tests/index.html

It's normal in police work these days.

I've seen test results for suspected marijuana come back for everything from lettuce to carpet... and in every single case the trooper really did believe it was weed.

Around here nobody has messed with personal quantities of marijuana for years - an advantage of living just south of the Emerald Triangle. Dealer level quantity/packaging is a different issue.

Posted: 6/28/2017 2:55:33 PM EST

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Me again? LOL you don't fucking know me pougeboss. I was assigned a working dag for my 2nd deployment and then fter I got out of the .mil I was the kennel master on an army post with 28 working K9s and handlers under me. I know the deal. The .mil spent a shitload for top notch dogs and training and our drugs and explosives dogs fucking SUCKED ASS that they spent tens of thousands of dollars on. When we would test them for "certification" using real narcotics easily 16-17 out of the 28 dogs FAILED miserably but were still used for vehicle inspections for people coming on post.

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Posted: 6/28/2017 2:55:38 PM EST

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So in essence, you agree that this event should have never happened and it's a failure of the system, and somebody should at a bare minimum seek to make sure this doesn't happen again.

So what the fuck are you even arguing, you agree with us but then you double back and defend the cops. He only "violated his parole" over sheer preventable stupidity and lack of giving a fuck, how is this defend-able?

This is why terms like TBL & JBT get thrown around, you agree with what we're saying but still defend the cop for doing things you personally disagree with, its asinine.

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Please identify the specific failure points that should be corrected.

Posted: 6/28/2017 2:57:18 PM EST

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It's always better to err to the side of fucking peoples lives up-as long as our brave heroes go home safe........

A University of Virginia student, alleging assault and malicious prosecution, filed a $40 million lawsuit against the state over being arrested and jailed after buying a case of sparkling water.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/u-va-student-sues-state-40-million-arrest-buying-water-article-1.1738798

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Holy shit that's scary.

Imagine if 3 guys dressed in street clothes surrounded a car and started trying to break into it of one of the members here and he saw a gun. There would be bodies on both sides...

Posted: 6/28/2017 2:59:13 PM EST

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Kinda sad actually.

I and a few others get called out all the time because our opinions are unpopular. Personal I don't care or mind. It's actually expected in forums.

Maybe it says more about the actual people being called out and not the act of calling out in general?

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The baby skull fucking BS is not just an "unpopular opinion".

Posted: 6/28/2017 3:17:25 PM EST

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Holy shit that's scary.

Imagine if 3 guys dressed in street clothes surrounded a car and started trying to break into it of one of the members here and he saw a gun. There would be bodies on both sides...

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It's always better to err to the side of fucking peoples lives up-as long as our brave heroes go home safe........

A University of Virginia student, alleging assault and malicious prosecution, filed a $40 million lawsuit against the state over being arrested and jailed after buying a case of sparkling water.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/u-va-student-sues-state-40-million-arrest-buying-water-article-1.1738798

Holy shit that's scary.

Imagine if 3 guys dressed in street clothes surrounded a car and started trying to break into it of one of the members here and he saw a gun. There would be bodies on both sides...

Yep,thankfully the cops have never jumped on a hood and shot passengers,or shot into a vehicle that was driving away from a party and killed someone inside.(sarcasm-both have happened).

The girl in the link was damn lucky she didn't get shot for driving away in a deadly weapon.

Posted: 6/28/2017 3:20:47 PM EST

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So in essence, you agree that this event should have never happened and it's a failure of the system, and somebody should at a bare minimum seek to make sure this doesn't happen again.

So what the fuck are you even arguing, you agree with us but then you double back and defend the cops. He only "violated his parole" over sheer preventable stupidity and lack of giving a fuck, how is this defend-able?

This is why terms like TBL & JBT get thrown around, you agree with what we're saying but still defend the cop for doing things you personally disagree with, its asinine.

Please identify the specific failure points that should be corrected.

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Posted: 6/28/2017 3:21:38 PM EST

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Posted: 6/28/2017 3:22:39 PM EST

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It's always better to err to the side of fucking peoples lives up-as long as our brave heroes go home safe........

A University of Virginia student, alleging assault and malicious prosecution, filed a $40 million lawsuit against the state over being arrested and jailed after buying a case of sparkling water.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/u-va-student-sues-state-40-million-arrest-buying-water-article-1.1738798

Because at the end of your shift you go home.

This guy went to jail,probably had his car towed,may have lost his job,and who knows what else.His paperwork said his curfew was 10,and the computer said 8-probably because someone entered it wrong.No big deal for them or the cop,but the guys life gets trashed over it.

I'm sure he has the utmost respect for police and the justice system though.

Same with the girls being arrested and taken to jail because the cops thought she had alcohol.

You are looking at it form the LE side,not from the poor guy that did absolutely nothing wrong (except forgetting to turn his headlights on in a new to him car) and got fucked for it.

Posted: 6/28/2017 3:27:37 PM EST

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Yep,thankfully the cops have never jumped on a hood and shot passengers,or shot into a vehicle that was driving away from a party and killed someone inside.(sarcasm-both have happened).

The girl in the link was damn lucky she didn't get shot for driving away in a deadly weapon.

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It's this kind of insane hall monitor stuff that drives me absolutely crazy.

Can you imagine how much safer we'd all be if instead of focusing on intoxicant crime, police focused their efforts on crimes that might have real victims?

...the mind reels.

Posted: 6/28/2017 3:50:07 PM EST

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I know for a fact you can test onsite for cocaine in less than 2 hrs.

Posted: 6/28/2017 3:56:22 PM EST

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Can you imagine, knowing you're in jail, first because of a clerical error, then because some police officers tested drywall powder and thought it was cocain. Put yourself in that guys shoes.

...90 days you sit, wondering IF another government mistake might put you in prison for a long time.

...90 days in the belly of the beast, praying that some government employee doesn't make a third mistake, lie, get samples mixed up.

Holy shit, I would be insane. It's not like this guy was getting daily updates on the progress being made in his case. I certainly wouldn't come out of jail with a greater appreciation for government or the law. This is how radicals are made.

There is a reason liberty was held in such high regard for the founders of this country. Putting someone in jail for intoxicants, is absolutely insane.

Posted: 6/28/2017 4:00:13 PM EST

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It's fundamental to Root Cause Corrective Action (RCCA).

Posted: 6/28/2017 4:05:23 PM EST

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Because at the end of your shift you go home.

This guy went to jail,probably had his car towed,may have lost his job,and who knows what else.His paperwork said his curfew was 10,and the computer said 8-probably because someone entered it wrong.No big deal for them or the cop,but the guys life gets trashed over it.

I'm sure he has the utmost respect for police and the justice system though.

Same with the girls being arrested and taken to jail because the cops thought she had alcohol.

You are looking at it form the LE side,not from the poor guy that did absolutely nothing wrong (except forgetting to turn his headlights on in a new to him car) and got fucked for it.

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It's always better to err to the side of fucking peoples lives up-as long as our brave heroes go home safe........

A University of Virginia student, alleging assault and malicious prosecution, filed a $40 million lawsuit against the state over being arrested and jailed after buying a case of sparkling water.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/u-va-student-sues-state-40-million-arrest-buying-water-article-1.1738798

Because at the end of your shift you go home.

This guy went to jail,probably had his car towed,may have lost his job,and who knows what else.His paperwork said his curfew was 10,and the computer said 8-probably because someone entered it wrong.No big deal for them or the cop,but the guys life gets trashed over it.

I'm sure he has the utmost respect for police and the justice system though.

Same with the girls being arrested and taken to jail because the cops thought she had alcohol.

You are looking at it form the LE side,not from the poor guy that did absolutely nothing wrong (except forgetting to turn his headlights on in a new to him car) and got fucked for it.

I'm still waiting to meet someone on probation/parole that has respect for police and justice system.

Posted: 6/28/2017 4:07:31 PM EST

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It's fundamental to Root Cause Corrective Action (RCCA).

Could they have called his probation officer like he asked?

Probation officer may have said the guys curfew is 10-your computer is wrong.Guy is working full time as a drywaller and we have no issues with him.Turn him loose,and we can grab him IF that is cocaine.

Instead,he goes to jail,car gets towed/impounded,maybe lost his job,maybe lost his apartment,maybe all his shit got thrown in a dumpster,etc.....

Again,no big deal for the cops-they went home at the end of their shift.Judge went home.Everyone carries on except the guy in jail for 3 months.

Posted: 6/28/2017 4:13:18 PM EST

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I'm still waiting to meet someone on probation/parole that has respect for police and justice system.

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It's always better to err to the side of fucking peoples lives up-as long as our brave heroes go home safe........

A University of Virginia student, alleging assault and malicious prosecution, filed a $40 million lawsuit against the state over being arrested and jailed after buying a case of sparkling water.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/u-va-student-sues-state-40-million-arrest-buying-water-article-1.1738798

Because at the end of your shift you go home.

This guy went to jail,probably had his car towed,may have lost his job,and who knows what else.His paperwork said his curfew was 10,and the computer said 8-probably because someone entered it wrong.No big deal for them or the cop,but the guys life gets trashed over it.

I'm sure he has the utmost respect for police and the justice system though.

Same with the girls being arrested and taken to jail because the cops thought she had alcohol.

You are looking at it form the LE side,not from the poor guy that did absolutely nothing wrong (except forgetting to turn his headlights on in a new to him car) and got fucked for it.

I'm still waiting to meet someone on probation/parole that has respect for police and justice system.

You have more experience with that then I do.

That said,I thought the guy was pretty decent at first.

I would be pretty decent too,until the time I was getting fucked over for a bullshit mistake on the curfew and supposed drugs in my vehicle.

Posted: 6/28/2017 4:14:04 PM EST

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Certainly. Given the discrepancy between the MDT and the paperwork I would have.

With our 20/20 hindsight the probation curfew discrepancy is the first failure point that needs to be resolved.

The K9 alerting on drywall and the field test positive results are failure points #2 & #3.

Being held on the probation violation is not a failure point - it's dependent upon the info from failure points #2 & #3.

90 days to process a test is failure point #4.

Posted: 6/28/2017 4:15:28 PM EST

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Make sure your headlights are on.

Honestly, I cherish my slices of anarchy. I live most of my life in blissful anarchy. I absolutely hate all interactions with government employees, so I do whatever I can not interact with them.

Check your car, make sure it doesn't have any problems with the lights. Make sure you carry your travel papers, and that your travel papers are up to date, and correct. Don't leave any valuables in sight, especially money.

Don't speed, or make any improper lane changes. If you are captured, detained, and shaken down for money, by the government, pay it quickly, and make sure you keep copies of all receipts and forms. Keep these copies with you when you travel. It may not prevent a government employee from kidnapping you due to some clerical error, but it's always good to have them with you.

Don't talk to the police. Provide them only the information they request, ...and be polite. Don't get involved in anything that does not concern you. Mind your own business.

Posted: 6/28/2017 4:24:33 PM EST

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Please identify the specific failure points that should be corrected.

It's fundamental to Root Cause Corrective Action (RCCA).

You yourself identified three points of failure in the chain. Four of you count the incorrect court order in the computer system.

Posted: 6/28/2017 4:25:48 PM EST

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What justice system?

Posted: 6/28/2017 4:27:59 PM EST

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You have more experience with that then I do.

That said,I thought the guy was pretty decent at first.

I would be pretty decent too,until the time I was getting fucked over for a bullshit mistake on the curfew and supposed drugs in my vehicle.

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I thought both the cop and the driver were very polite to begin with. Do we know the correct curfew time - was it 10pm? The drug/drywall issue didn't occur until after the driver was in cuffs/in the patrol car.

Posted: 6/28/2017 4:29:58 PM EST

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Make sure your headlights are on.

Honestly, I cherish my slices of anarchy. I live most of my life in blissful anarchy. I absolutely hate all interactions with government employees, so I do whatever I can not interact with them.

Check your car, make sure it doesn't have any problems with the lights. Make sure you carry your travel papers, and that your travel papers are up to date, and correct. Don't leave any valuables in sight, especially money.

Don't speed, or make any improper lane changes. If you are captured, detained, and shaken down for money, by the government, pay it quickly, and make sure you keep copies of all receipts and forms. Keep these copies with you when you travel. It may not prevent a government employee from kidnapping you due to some clerical error, but it's always good to have them with you.

Don't talk to the police. Provide them only the information they request, ...and be polite. Don't get involved in anything that does not concern you. Mind your own business.

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It's fundamental to Root Cause Corrective Action (RCCA).

Make sure your headlights are on.

Honestly, I cherish my slices of anarchy. I live most of my life in blissful anarchy. I absolutely hate all interactions with government employees, so I do whatever I can not interact with them.

Check your car, make sure it doesn't have any problems with the lights. Make sure you carry your travel papers, and that your travel papers are up to date, and correct. Don't leave any valuables in sight, especially money.

Don't speed, or make any improper lane changes. If you are captured, detained, and shaken down for money, by the government, pay it quickly, and make sure you keep copies of all receipts and forms. Keep these copies with you when you travel. It may not prevent a government employee from kidnapping you due to some clerical error, but it's always good to have them with you.

Don't talk to the police. Provide them only the information they request, ...and be polite. Don't get involved in anything that does not concern you. Mind your own business.

Not seeing a problem here

Posted: 6/28/2017 4:30:31 PM EST

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Make sure your headlights are on.

Honestly, I cherish my slices of anarchy. I live most of my life in blissful anarchy. I absolutely hate all interactions with government employees, so I do whatever I can not interact with them.

Check your car, make sure it doesn't have any problems with the lights. Make sure you carry your travel papers, and that your travel papers are up to date, and correct. Don't leave any valuables in sight, especially money.

Don't speed, or make any improper lane changes. If you are captured, detained, and shaken down for money, by the government, pay it quickly, and make sure you keep copies of all receipts and forms. Keep these copies with you when you travel. It may not prevent a government employee from kidnapping you due to some clerical error, but it's always good to have them with you.

Don't talk to the police. Provide them only the information they request, ...and be polite. Don't get involved in anything that does not concern you. Mind your own business.

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Same here,BUT,you can still get bit.

Years ago when I lived behind the Iron Curtain,I had an all original 65 Impala.Drove it to work once in awhile,but more of a weekend playtoy.

Anyway,decide to go into town for an ice cream one night after work.Give it a once over while she was warming up (you young guys can google chokes and warm up periods) and check all the lights.Everything is fine.

Head towards town,get on the highway,hadn't even gotten to 55 yet and get pulled over.License and registration.Why did you pull me over?You have a light out.I go to open the door and he says stay in the car.Which light I asked?One of the taillights he says.Bullshit,they were all working 5 minutes ago-show me.Nope,stay in your car.Ran my shit and said free to go.I got out and they were all working.Called and complained for what it was worth.

Had 2 customers out here that worked 2nd shift that would get pulled over on a regular basis for having a light out-never had any lights out.

And yeah,I know filaments/wiring can be finicky,just like I know some cops can be lying pieces of shit.

Posted: 6/28/2017 4:32:22 PM EST

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You yourself identified three points of failure in the chain. Four of you count the incorrect court order in the computer system.

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Please identify the specific failure points that should be corrected.

It's fundamental to Root Cause Corrective Action (RCCA).

You yourself identified three points of failure in the chain. Four of you count the incorrect court order in the computer system.

I wanted to know what you and clause considered to be the failure points - but then I'm sure you knew that and also knew I had identified what I considered to be the failure points before hitting the submit button on my posts.

Posted: 6/28/2017 4:33:09 PM EST

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What justice system?

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I'm still waiting to meet someone on probation/parole that has respect for police and justice system.

What justice system?

The one we have - that while not perfect is the best one I know of.

Posted: 6/28/2017 4:34:55 PM EST

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Don't forget about me.

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When you get your gut full, you can always write your congressman. Yeah, that should do it.

Posted: 6/28/2017 4:43:46 PM EST

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Same here,BUT,you can still get bit.

Years ago when I lived behind the Iron Curtain,I had an all original 65 Impala.Drove it to work once in awhile,but more of a weekend playtoy.

Anyway,decide to go into town for an ice cream one night after work.Give it a once over while she was warming up (you young guys can google chokes and warm up periods) and check all the lights.Everything is fine.

Head towards town,get on the highway,hadn't even gotten to 55 yet and get pulled over.License and registration.Why did you pull me over?You have a light out.I go to open the door and he says stay in the car.Which light I asked?One of the taillights he says.Bullshit,they were all working 5 minutes ago-show me.Nope,stay in your car.Ran my shit and said free to go.I got out and they were all working.Called and complained for what it was worth.

Had 2 customers out here that worked 2nd shift that would get pulled over on a regular basis for having a light out-never had any lights out.

And yeah,I know filaments/wiring can be finicky,just like I know some cops can be lying pieces of shit.

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Certainly there are lying sack of shit cops out there - no one can deny that. But sometimes they're not lying pieces of shit.

I've told this story before but I'll repeat it.

I pulled over a VW one night for a brake light being out. I got the drivers info and ran it - driver was clear so just a "get it fixed" situation. Driver asked which side and for whatever reason I had him step on the brakes and fuck me running all the brake lights were working. Explained what was going on, apologized to the driver and cleared the stop. Later that night I was talking to a senior patrol officer and told him about my stop and how I was positive the brake light was out when I made the stop. He literally started laughing and then explained he'd had the same thing happen to him when he had stopped a VW. He explained that prior to becoming a cop he had worked at an autoparts store for several years and intermittent brake lights were a known issue on certain era of VWs due to a relay(?) - he had forgotten about the VW issue until the stopped one for a inoperative brake light.

Posted: 6/28/2017 4:52:00 PM EST

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I wanted to know what you and clause considered to be the failure points - but then I'm sure you knew that and also knew I had identified what I considered to be the failure points before hitting the submit button on my posts.

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Please identify the specific failure points that should be corrected.

It's fundamental to Root Cause Corrective Action (RCCA).

You yourself identified three points of failure in the chain. Four of you count the incorrect court order in the computer system.

I wanted to know what you and clause considered to be the failure points - but then I'm sure you knew that and also knew I had identified what I considered to be the failure points before hitting the submit button on my posts.

The failure points and remedies have all been mentioned multiple times in this thread to responses of temper tantrums about getting rid of search dogs.

Posted: 6/28/2017 4:55:05 PM EST

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Not seeing a problem here

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It's fundamental to Root Cause Corrective Action (RCCA).

Make sure your headlights are on.

Honestly, I cherish my slices of anarchy. I live most of my life in blissful anarchy. I absolutely hate all interactions with government employees, so I do whatever I can not interact with them.

Check your car, make sure it doesn't have any problems with the lights. Make sure you carry your travel papers, and that your travel papers are up to date, and correct. Don't leave any valuables in sight, especially money.

Don't speed, or make any improper lane changes. If you are captured, detained, and shaken down for money, by the government, pay it quickly, and make sure you keep copies of all receipts and forms. Keep these copies with you when you travel. It may not prevent a government employee from kidnapping you due to some clerical error, but it's always good to have them with you.

Don't talk to the police. Provide them only the information they request, ...and be polite. Don't get involved in anything that does not concern you. Mind your own business.

Not seeing a problem here

He just articulated the inherent paranoia of an individual living in a police state and you see no problem that this is the condition to which we have been reduced - that "life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness" is now an antiquated anachronism?

Posted: 6/28/2017 4:55:12 PM EST

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Certainly there are lying sack of shit cops out there - no one can deny that. But sometimes they're not lying pieces of shit.

I've told this story before but I'll repeat it.

I pulled over a VW one night for a brake light being out. I got the drivers info and ran it - driver was clear so just a "get it fixed" situation. Driver asked which side and for whatever reason I had him step on the brakes and fuck me running all the brake lights were working. Explained what was going on, apologized to the driver and cleared the stop. Later that night I was talking to a senior patrol officer and told him about my stop and how I was positive the brake light was out when I made the stop. He literally started laughing and then explained he'd had the same thing happen to him when he had stopped a VW. He explained that prior to becoming a cop he had worked at an autoparts store for several years and intermittent brake lights were a known issue on certain era of VWs due to a relay(?) - he had forgotten about the VW issue until the stopped one for a inoperative brake light.

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Same here,BUT,you can still get bit.

Years ago when I lived behind the Iron Curtain,I had an all original 65 Impala.Drove it to work once in awhile,but more of a weekend playtoy.

Anyway,decide to go into town for an ice cream one night after work.Give it a once over while she was warming up (you young guys can google chokes and warm up periods) and check all the lights.Everything is fine.

Head towards town,get on the highway,hadn't even gotten to 55 yet and get pulled over.License and registration.Why did you pull me over?You have a light out.I go to open the door and he says stay in the car.Which light I asked?One of the taillights he says.Bullshit,they were all working 5 minutes ago-show me.Nope,stay in your car.Ran my shit and said free to go.I got out and they were all working.Called and complained for what it was worth.

Had 2 customers out here that worked 2nd shift that would get pulled over on a regular basis for having a light out-never had any lights out.

And yeah,I know filaments/wiring can be finicky,just like I know some cops can be lying pieces of shit.

Certainly there are lying sack of shit cops out there - no one can deny that. But sometimes they're not lying pieces of shit.

I've told this story before but I'll repeat it.

I pulled over a VW one night for a brake light being out. I got the drivers info and ran it - driver was clear so just a "get it fixed" situation. Driver asked which side and for whatever reason I had him step on the brakes and fuck me running all the brake lights were working. Explained what was going on, apologized to the driver and cleared the stop. Later that night I was talking to a senior patrol officer and told him about my stop and how I was positive the brake light was out when I made the stop. He literally started laughing and then explained he'd had the same thing happen to him when he had stopped a VW. He explained that prior to becoming a cop he had worked at an autoparts store for several years and intermittent brake lights were a known issue on certain era of VWs due to a relay(?) - he had forgotten about the VW issue until the stopped one for a inoperative brake light.

Anecdotal story, playing the "We're humans too, ah schucks" angle. Cliche.

Posted: 6/28/2017 5:19:37 PM EST

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Not seeing a problem here

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It's fundamental to Root Cause Corrective Action (RCCA).

Make sure your headlights are on.

Honestly, I cherish my slices of anarchy. I live most of my life in blissful anarchy. I absolutely hate all interactions with government employees, so I do whatever I can not interact with them.

Check your car, make sure it doesn't have any problems with the lights. Make sure you carry your travel papers, and that your travel papers are up to date, and correct. Don't leave any valuables in sight, especially money.

Don't speed, or make any improper lane changes. If you are captured, detained, and shaken down for money, by the government, pay it quickly, and make sure you keep copies of all receipts and forms. Keep these copies with you when you travel. It may not prevent a government employee from kidnapping you due to some clerical error, but it's always good to have them with you.

Don't talk to the police. Provide them only the information they request, ...and be polite. Don't get involved in anything that does not concern you. Mind your own business.

Not seeing a problem here

Wow.

Sprechen Sie deutsch?

Posted: 6/28/2017 5:27:12 PM EST

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The failure points and remedies have all been mentioned multiple times in this thread to responses of temper tantrums about getting rid of search dogs.

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Please identify the specific failure points that should be corrected.

It's fundamental to Root Cause Corrective Action (RCCA).

You yourself identified three points of failure in the chain. Four of you count the incorrect court order in the computer system.

I wanted to know what you and clause considered to be the failure points - but then I'm sure you knew that and also knew I had identified what I considered to be the failure points before hitting the submit button on my posts.

The failure points and remedies have all been mentioned multiple times in this thread to responses of temper tantrums about getting rid of search dogs.

Seriously. How about the most obvious one: the ouija dog?

Or locking up a guy for 90 days without verifying he was locked up for any fucking reason at all?

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Not seeing a problem here

Are you just being cheeky or does it really seem okay that what he explained is what's necessary to keep your life intact?

Posted: 6/28/2017 5:34:35 PM EST

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He just articulated the inherent paranoia of an individual living in a police state and you see no problem that this is the condition to which we have been reduced - that "life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness" is now an antiquated anachronism?

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Well, in all honesty, if you're a cop it probably is about as good as it could ever be...if you are the unfortunate citizen that happens to get in the crosshairs of some of these cops...well all bets are off....

Posted: 6/28/2017 5:41:14 PM EST

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I'm still waiting to meet someone on probation/parole that has respect for police and justice system.

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It's a good thing that I've worked with over 100 cops for the past 20 years and know many of them very well... because if I had to base my opinion of all LE solely on your posts over the years... then I wouldn't think much of cops period. It's pretty clear to see that your "us versus them" attitude will follow you to the grave.

FYI... never been arrested, charged, booked, tried, or incarcerated in my 49 years and plan to keep it that way.

Posted: 6/28/2017 5:44:00 PM EST

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There is a reason liberty was held in such high regard for the founders of this country. Putting someone in jail for intoxicants, is absolutely insane.

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It's friggin pathetic how many people who write, enforce, and interpret the law have ZERO regard for liberty and the concept that the Founding Fathers put everything on the line for. "Public servants" my ass.

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