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Posted: 6/27/2017 10:06:51 PM EST
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Dumb ass cops should have swapped it for real stuff.
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Posted: 6/27/2017 10:12:18 PM EST
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My agency did not allow field test kits. We make arrests based on training and experience, but the arrestee can't be held over a few hours without a chemical test that has been dead nuts accurate in every case. That's still not good enough for the DA. We have to have lab test results (GC/MS) in-hand to get a case filed. |
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Posted: 6/27/2017 10:13:25 PM EST
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Cops use drug dogs because judges let them, when will the courts deny PC based on dogs? I wish judges were more educated on the subject. The funny part is that Arfcom GD would consider those judges to be "liberals." 
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Posted: 6/27/2017 10:15:31 PM EST
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The agency that covers my area has a dog that the handler trained. He had never trained a dog before. He bought the dog himself. They did buy warning stickers for his Tahoe though. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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It's not. The problem isn't the dogs its the handler, which he sort of alluded to. Most PDs suck at training and maintenance of their dogs. The use them like dowsing rods. |
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Posted: 6/27/2017 10:18:22 PM EST
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The false positive in this case was on a field test kit. And these kits are apparently well-known for reacting with a host of ordinary chemicals that aren't cocaine. |
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Posted: 6/27/2017 10:21:01 PM EST
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That is the real question. I wish judges were more educated on the subject. The funny part is that Arfcom GD would consider those judges to be "liberals." Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Cops use drug dogs because judges let them, when will the courts deny PC based on dogs? I wish judges were more educated on the subject. The funny part is that Arfcom GD would consider those judges to be "liberals." Remember the SCOTUS ruling on DUI checkpoints, they essentially admitted they're unconstitutional but ultimately approved them anyway because "safety". |
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Posted: 6/27/2017 10:31:59 PM EST
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Drywall snorters are Caulk suckers.   Half Baked (8/10) Movie CLIP - Thurgood Goes to Rehab (1998) HD 
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Posted: 6/28/2017 12:03:26 AM EST
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LOL
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Posted: 6/28/2017 2:39:31 AM EST
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I'm not going to defend or condemn the use of dogs. My concern is the false positive test. Was this addressed? My experience is that nothing will cause a false positive for cocaine. And why did they get a case filed without a positive lab test? |
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Posted: 6/28/2017 7:49:30 AM EST
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This person is on to something. The argument that an arrest is not a conviction is based on the idea that absent a conviction, there is no punishment. That is obviously false on the face of it, and everyone needs to quit pretending otherwise. An arrest, even a false one that leads to charges being dropped or dismissed, is still hugely destructive. At a minimum, when these things occur, the state should be liable for all legal fees and lost wages. There should also be a requirement that the state make a public statement admitting wrongdoing. I'm less onboard with personal consequences for the arresting officers unless it is obviously egregious or the officer has a history of causing problems like this. I don't want cops afraid to do their jobs. At the end of the day, the taxpayers are responsible for the actions of their employees, so I don't have an issue with reparations for lost wages and lost reputation coming out of the public treasury. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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i would be suing the shit out of that dept. . makes you wonder if dogs are actually misused regularly. Something like this... 1. $10,000 for the arrest itself plus any damage to property or loss of wages. 2. $10,000 for the initial booking at the jail, and then 3x the person's hourly earnings (or minimum wage if unemployed), for each hour spent in jail. All paid upon exoneration. Then the municipality must undergo the expense to clear the person's name, articles and press releases, whatever it takes. Because like it or not, admit it or not, everyone pretty much makes assumptions about you if you're arrested. It matters not whether you're innocent or what you're being arrested for, we all make conscious and subconscious assumptions about the arrestee. I think the state should be held accountable for unjustified or mistaken disruptions to a person's life, and it should be enough to make them a little more reluctant to pull the trigger willy-nilly, or abuse their "legal" authority. It should also more than make the arrestee whole, and compensate him/her for the trauma and disruption to their life. I also think the arresting officer, and any other government official involved should be thoroughly investigated, and at the very least reprimanded and retrained. The argument that an arrest is not a conviction is based on the idea that absent a conviction, there is no punishment. That is obviously false on the face of it, and everyone needs to quit pretending otherwise. An arrest, even a false one that leads to charges being dropped or dismissed, is still hugely destructive. At a minimum, when these things occur, the state should be liable for all legal fees and lost wages. There should also be a requirement that the state make a public statement admitting wrongdoing. I'm less onboard with personal consequences for the arresting officers unless it is obviously egregious or the officer has a history of causing problems like this. I don't want cops afraid to do their jobs. At the end of the day, the taxpayers are responsible for the actions of their employees, so I don't have an issue with reparations for lost wages and lost reputation coming out of the public treasury. Lawyers, CPA's, financial advisors, and other "professions" carry types of malpractice, or errors or omission insurance and bonds. They are also held accountable for their actions by different regulatory bodies. While I understand your concerns, I kind of want officers very confident that the arrests they make are appropriate. If they're "reluctant" to make an arrest, maybe they shouldn't. |
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Posted: 6/28/2017 8:03:10 AM EST
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My agency did not allow field test kits. We make arrests based on training and experience, but the arrestee can't be held over a few hours without a chemical test that has been dead nuts accurate in every case. That's still not good enough for the DA. We have to have lab test results (GC/MS) in-hand to get a case filed. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Do the field tests from your experience use cobalt thiocyanate? https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2016/07/29/florida-man-arrested-when-officer-mistakes-krispy-kreme-donut-glaze-for-meth/?utm_term=.78664290f3c7 |
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Posted: 6/28/2017 8:09:07 AM EST
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My agency did not allow field test kits. We make arrests based on training and experience, but the arrestee can't be held over a few hours without a chemical test that has been dead nuts accurate in every case. That's still not good enough for the DA. We have to have lab test results (GC/MS) in-hand to get a case filed. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Do the field tests from your experience use cobalt thiocyanate? |
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Posted: 6/28/2017 8:14:23 AM EST
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This hits home to me.
Father in law had a rent house that got raided and tenants moved out. I went over there with him to see what needed to be done to fix the house, saw circle patterns everywhere in the drywall   .
Later found out those were a knife scraping marks and the tenants where selling bags of drywall to the rich college kids.  
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Posted: 6/28/2017 8:41:00 AM EST
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Me again? LOL you don't fucking know me pougeboss. I was assigned a working dag for my 2nd deployment and then fter I got out of the .mil I was the kennel master on an army post with 28 working K9s and handlers under me. I know the deal. The .mil spent a shitload for top notch dogs and training and our drugs and explosives dogs fucking SUCKED ASS that they spent tens of thousands of dollars on. When we would test them for "certification" using real narcotics easily 16-17 out of the 28 dogs FAILED miserably but were still used for vehicle inspections for people coming on post. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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LOL no it doesn't. It is FACT that dogs are missused 100% of the time and most times there is a "hit" is because the handler wants PC to search and signals it. There have been NUMEROUS independent tests that shows that dogs are wrong something like 60%+ of the time. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-watch/wp/2015/08/04/federal-appeals-court-drug-dog-thats-barely-more-accurate-than-a-coin-flip-is-good-enough/ http://national.suntimes.com/national-world-news/7/72/2572167/drug-sniffing-police-dogs-inaccurate-reflect-racial-bias/ http://reason.com/blog/2013/02/27/how-even-a-well-trained-narcotics-detect |
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Posted: 6/28/2017 8:55:19 AM EST
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Both situations rely on the dogs sense of smell, no? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Those are completely different situations. Nice job building up those strawmen though. Keep it going |
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Posted: 6/28/2017 9:44:01 AM EST
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all of the self outed moth breathers in this thread don't get my humor, apparently you included
NOW you're funny! Ha ha ha... |
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Posted: 6/28/2017 10:33:01 AM EST
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This is not the issue at hand. We are not indicting you for your behavior. The issue at hand is "90 days in jail for possession of drywall". Your stated conduct, having found yourself in somewhat similar circumstances, is not being faulted. You should consider, however, how apparent it was for all of us that you automatically fell into the defensive line with your brothers - even knowing how far in the wrong they were. The later equivocations, obfuscations and straw man arguments are not an expungement. When you see a man doing wrong - fight against that evil at the earliest moment - even if the man be your brother. Justice delayed is justice denied. 
That's the problem. The blue line is ridiculous. You can ALWAYS count on guys like JIA and a few others to fall-in line on that, no matter how egregious the offense by an officer. Very few of us would have a problem if an officer acted within in the law and Constitution in effecting a legitimate arrest, where the law was clearly being broken. So why do some badges always choose to die on the hill of a bad arrest, which leads to an unfair incarceration? I supposed it's because they don't think it was a bad arrest. Which is all the more frightening... that a guy ASSUMES a civilian MUST be guilty because he has a prior arrest. Three months in jail for having drywall until the "perp" has been proven innocent? That's INSANE and it's scary as hell that the resident JBTs are so quick to defend stupid shit like that. But you'll never convince the supercops that their fellow supercops were in the wrong. Because "muh brothers in blue" and all that. Asinine! Frankly, it's pretty clear that the JBTs have NO ability to empathize and put themselves in a situation where something goes wrong and another LEO is having a bad day and wrecks their day, or that of a family member. True karma would dictate that it will happen to them eventually... and I sincerely hope it does! |
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Posted: 6/28/2017 11:08:28 AM EST
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Bunch of dog haters up in here here.
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Posted: 6/28/2017 11:22:29 AM EST
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 Man jailed after drywall incorrectly tests positive for cocaine during traffic stop |
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Posted: 6/28/2017 12:23:50 PM EST
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Quote HistorySo was he arrested for violating curfew or illegal possession of drywall? Article and video don't match. |
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Posted: 6/28/2017 12:28:09 PM EST
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That's the problem. The blue line is ridiculous. You can ALWAYS count on guys like JIA and a few others to fall-in line on that, no matter how egregious the offense by an officer. Very few of us would have a problem if an officer acted within in the law and Constitution in effecting a legitimate arrest, where the law was clearly being broken. So why do some badges always choose to die on the hill of a bad arrest, which leads to an unfair incarceration? I supposed it's because they don't think it was a bad arrest. Which is all the more frightening... that a guy ASSUMES a civilian MUST be guilty because he has a prior arrest. Three months in jail for having drywall until the "perp" has been proven innocent? That's INSANE and it's scary as hell that the resident JBTs are so quick to defend stupid shit like that. But you'll never convince the supercops that their fellow supercops were in the wrong. Because "muh brothers in blue" and all that. Asinine! Frankly, it's pretty clear that the JBTs have NO ability to empathize and put themselves in a situation where something goes wrong and another LEO is having a bad day and wrecks their day, or that of a family member. True karma would dictate that it will happen to them eventually... and I sincerely hope it does! |
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Posted: 6/28/2017 12:30:25 PM EST
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I wonder where the rest of the video is.... So was he arrested for violating curfew or illegal possession of drywall? Article and video don't match. |
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Posted: 6/28/2017 12:37:16 PM EST
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You are truly delusional. |
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Posted: 6/28/2017 12:41:59 PM EST
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Quote HistoryAnd another lol at the cops believing anything you tell them-court paperwork says 10,but the computer says 8,so lets fuck him up. Cops were dicks,imo. |
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Posted: 6/28/2017 12:42:04 PM EST
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Why did it take the lab 3 months? Touch on tongue, if it turns numb it's coke. If it taste like chalk it's drywall. |
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Posted: 6/28/2017 12:42:11 PM EST
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What if the dude lost his job? how about 5 years lost wages? Sounds about fair to me.
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Posted: 6/28/2017 12:45:56 PM EST
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Did I miss where you did anything other than state it's acceptable that he was locked away for three months because police identified drywall as cocaine? Probably whoever entered it in the computer screwed up military time. 
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Posted: 6/28/2017 12:48:16 PM EST
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Did I miss where you did anything other than state it's acceptable that he was locked away for three months because police identified drywall as cocaine? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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You are truly delusional. |
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Posted: 6/28/2017 12:49:13 PM EST
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Technically,he was busted for violating curfew.Even though his paperwork said 10,the computer said 8. Probably whoever entered it in the computer screwed up military time. |
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Posted: 6/28/2017 12:50:25 PM EST
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Technically,he was busted for violating curfew.Even though his paperwork said 10,the computer said 8. Probably whoever entered it in the computer screwed up military time. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Did I miss where you did anything other than state it's acceptable that he was locked away for three months because police identified drywall as cocaine? Probably whoever entered it in the computer screwed up military time. He was put in handcuffs when court records showed he was out past his court-ordered curfew. Hours later, police realized the system was not up to date and Cashe had not violated his curfew.
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Posted: 6/28/2017 12:52:49 PM EST
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Terms of his probation had a curfew? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Technically,he was busted for violating curfew.Even though his paperwork said 10,the computer said 8. Probably whoever entered it in the computer screwed up military time. Cop said the computer showed his curfew at 8,he had court papers showing 10.
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Posted: 6/28/2017 12:54:31 PM EST
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This entire thing can easily be avoided by following the motherfucking constitution. If what you are doing is harming someone else it is a crime. If what you are doing harms no one else it is not a crime. Apply to everything and all this fucking nonsense goes away. But no, we need revenue and to fucking boss people around. This whole shit is retarded. I dont do drugs, but who fucking cares if someone chooses to do them? But the drug war likely is unConstitutional. |
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Posted: 6/28/2017 12:54:43 PM EST
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As usual the answer to your above question is yes. I'll leave it to you to reread my posts. But also as usual I expect you to respond with "you didn't explicitly state the cops should be fired & tried for violating the 4A so therefore you support him being in jail for 3 months". Quote HistoryQuoted:
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You still are pretty far from stating that this was unacceptable police work. |
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Posted: 6/28/2017 12:55:07 PM EST
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That accounts for about about 0.1% of the time he was in custody. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Did I miss where you did anything other than state it's acceptable that he was locked away for three months because police identified drywall as cocaine? Probably whoever entered it in the computer screwed up military time. He was put in handcuffs when court records showed he was out past his court-ordered curfew. Hours later, police realized the system was not up to date and Cashe had not violated his curfew.
"Hours later". Still bullshit.
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Posted: 6/28/2017 1:03:40 PM EST
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I did go back and re-read. You said there were "issues" and "problems" but then state that he wasn't in jail because of that but because of violating the terms of his probation which he of course did not.
You still are pretty far from stating that this was unacceptable police work. Feel free to explain how the Probation (or Parole) system should work when a person is suspected of violating their Probation terms. Should the person be able to remain on the street until the newly suspected crimes/violations are found guilty BRD in court? If so, WTF purpose does Probation serve? Probation terms can include abstaining from alcohol - a perfectly legal activity (for those over 21 y/o) - yet the simple possession of a bottle of beer could put someone back in jail. |
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Posted: 6/28/2017 1:06:39 PM EST
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What if the dude lost his job? how about 5 years lost wages? Sounds about fair to me. Car was probably towed and impounded.If he didn't have anyone that could get it out,that's probably gone as well. IF it was paid for.Missing 3 months worth of payments,may mean he lost ot too. Oh well. |
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Posted: 6/28/2017 1:09:58 PM EST
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lol at the guys saying don't break the law and you wont get pulled over.My truck has DRL,and there's been a few times at night I've forgotten to turn the headlights on. And another lol at the cops believing anything you tell them-court paperwork says 10,but the computer says 8,so lets fuck him up. Cops were dicks,imo. 
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Posted: 6/28/2017 1:10:50 PM EST
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lol at the guys saying don't break the law and you wont get pulled over.My truck has DRL,and there's been a few times at night I've forgotten to turn the headlights on. And another lol at the cops believing anything you tell them-court paperwork says 10,but the computer says 8,so lets fuck him up. Cops were dicks,imo. As far as the arrestees actions, I can understand his hostility. Going to jail for a clerical error would absolutely suck. I'd be "agitated" too. Putting people in jail doesn't make them "better" citizens. In fact, I think depriving a man of his freedom, can have a radicalizing effect. |
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Posted: 6/28/2017 1:11:01 PM EST
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Issues/problems with the dog, with the field test and with the lab taking 3 months. The drug/drywell stuff should have never happened and that's a failure on the LE Dept/Officer/K9/K9 training as well as the field test kit provider. A 3 month backlog in a lab isn't exactly a street level police work issue. Feel free to explain how the Probation (or Parole) system should work when a person is suspected of violating their Probation terms. Should the person be able to remain on the street until the newly suspected crimes/violations are found guilty BRD in court? If so, WTF purpose does Probation serve? Probation terms can include abstaining from alcohol - a perfectly legal activity (for those over 21 y/o) - yet the simple possession of a bottle of beer could put someone back in jail. A University of Virginia student, alleging assault and malicious prosecution, filed a $40 million lawsuit against the state over being arrested and jailed after buying a case of sparkling water. http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/u-va-student-sues-state-40-million-arrest-buying-water-article-1.1738798 |
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Posted: 6/28/2017 1:12:51 PM EST
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The war on drugs must end. As far as the arrestees actions, I can understand his hostility. Going to jail for a clerical error would absolutely suck. I'd be "agitated" too. Putting people in jail doesn't make them "better" citizens. In fact, I think depriving a man of his freedom, can have a radicalizing effect. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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lol at the guys saying don't break the law and you wont get pulled over.My truck has DRL,and there's been a few times at night I've forgotten to turn the headlights on. And another lol at the cops believing anything you tell them-court paperwork says 10,but the computer says 8,so lets fuck him up. Cops were dicks,imo. As far as the arrestees actions, I can understand his hostility. Going to jail for a clerical error would absolutely suck. I'd be "agitated" too. Putting people in jail doesn't make them "better" citizens. In fact, I think depriving a man of his freedom, can have a radicalizing effect. What do you think the odds of us living to see the end of the War on Drugs is??
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Posted: 6/28/2017 1:15:23 PM EST
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Issues/problems with the dog, with the field test and with the lab taking 3 months. The drug/drywell stuff should have never happened and that's a failure on the LE Dept/Officer/K9/K9 training as well as the field test kit provider. A 3 month backlog in a lab isn't exactly a street level police work issue. Feel free to explain how the Probation (or Parole) system should work when a person is suspected of violating their Probation terms. Should the person be able to remain on the street until the newly suspected crimes/violations are found guilty BRD in court? If so, WTF purpose does Probation serve? Probation terms can include abstaining from alcohol - a perfectly legal activity (for those over 21 y/o) - yet the simple possession of a bottle of beer could put someone back in jail. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I did go back and re-read. You said there were "issues" and "problems" but then state that he wasn't in jail because of that but because of violating the terms of his probation which he of course did not.
You still are pretty far from stating that this was unacceptable police work. Feel free to explain how the Probation (or Parole) system should work when a person is suspected of violating their Probation terms. Should the person be able to remain on the street until the newly suspected crimes/violations are found guilty BRD in court? If so, WTF purpose does Probation serve? Probation terms can include abstaining from alcohol - a perfectly legal activity (for those over 21 y/o) - yet the simple possession of a bottle of beer could put someone back in jail. |
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Posted: 6/28/2017 1:15:51 PM EST
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It's always better to err to the side of fucking peoples lives up-as long as our brave heroes go home safe........ A University of Virginia student, alleging assault and malicious prosecution, filed a $40 million lawsuit against the state over being arrested and jailed after buying a case of sparkling water. http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/u-va-student-sues-state-40-million-arrest-buying-water-article-1.1738798
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Posted: 6/28/2017 1:19:02 PM EST
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If law enforcement has risen to the status of a "profession", then as professionals they should be held to a higher standard. Lawyers, CPA's, financial advisors, and other "professions" carry types of malpractice, or errors or omission insurance and bonds. They are also held accountable for their actions by different regulatory bodies. While I understand your concerns, I kind of want officers very confident that the arrests they make are appropriate. If they're "reluctant" to make an arrest, maybe they shouldn't. It's just an open admission they know the occupation is less than professional. |
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Posted: 6/28/2017 1:23:22 PM EST
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The war on drugs must end. As far as the arrestees actions, I can understand his hostility. Going to jail for a clerical error would absolutely suck. I'd be "agitated" too. Putting people in jail doesn't make them "better" citizens. In fact, I think depriving a man of his freedom, can have a radicalizing effect. |
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Posted: 6/28/2017 1:23:38 PM EST
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You are truly delusional. There are a small few cops here who could see a video of a cop skull fucking a baby to death and would still defend the actions... It is absurd the lengths a small few will go to try and justify the unjustifiable. |
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Posted: 6/28/2017 1:24:32 PM EST
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Yeah,but the dog hit and the field test showed coke.No way they were letting him go at that point.
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Did I miss where you did anything other than state it's acceptable that he was locked away for three months because police identified drywall as cocaine? Probably whoever entered it in the computer screwed up military time. He was put in handcuffs when court records showed he was out past his court-ordered curfew. Hours later, police realized the system was not up to date and Cashe had not violated his curfew.
"Hours later". Still bullshit. |
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Posted: 6/28/2017 1:24:46 PM EST
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Terms of his probation had a curfew? |
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Posted: 6/28/2017 1:25:03 PM EST
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With just one word, was the police work acceptable or unacceptable? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I did go back and re-read. You said there were "issues" and "problems" but then state that he wasn't in jail because of that but because of violating the terms of his probation which he of course did not.
You still are pretty far from stating that this was unacceptable police work. Feel free to explain how the Probation (or Parole) system should work when a person is suspected of violating their Probation terms. Should the person be able to remain on the street until the newly suspected crimes/violations are found guilty BRD in court? If so, WTF purpose does Probation serve? Probation terms can include abstaining from alcohol - a perfectly legal activity (for those over 21 y/o) - yet the simple possession of a bottle of beer could put someone back in jail. A K9 alerting on drywall is unacceptable "police work". Patrol officers using a field test kit and believing the results isn't unacceptable "police work" on the front line officers part. A testing lab determining the substance is not cocaine is acceptable "police work". A testing lab taking 90 days to run the test isn't a front line officers issue. |
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Posted: 6/28/2017 1:27:28 PM EST
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That's not unusual especially if he's serving it in a halfway house |
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Posted: 6/28/2017 1:28:33 PM EST
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No, he's right. There are a small few cops here who could see a video of a cop skull fucking a baby to death and would still defend the actions... It is absurd the lengths a small few will go to try and justify the unjustifiable. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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You are truly delusional. There are a small few cops here who could see a video of a cop skull fucking a baby to death and would still defend the actions... It is absurd the lengths a small few will go to try and justify the unjustifiable. |
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