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Posted: 6/27/2017 9:40:11 PM EDT
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What's the gain for him to do so? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Officers should be fired and jailed for same amount of time. Promotion>Rights>Integrity>Going home safe. Something something stupid games, something something stupid prizes. |
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Posted: 6/27/2017 9:40:52 PM EDT
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None. Something something free men can't be controlled something only criminals. I believe the next part is something like : If you don't have enough criminals, make them, or something. Shrugs. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Posted: 6/27/2017 9:46:04 PM EDT
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Lol why are you blaming the officers for what the court says constitutes valid PC for an arrest? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Officers should be fired and jailed for same amount of time. You need some spiritual introspection. There is still such a thing as right and wrong regardless of what the courts hold. It is permanent and immovable - and you need to find it somewhere other than in the interlocked arms of your brothers that are declaring war on the unwashed masses. |
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Posted: 6/27/2017 9:48:43 PM EDT
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Nope. No one in our department carries them. But they did give us narcan to carry Quote HistoryQuoted:
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He is full of shit and trying to save face. I have went blue in my thumbs trying to tell him and his homies what the score really is. It is like talking to my liberal biomom, it is a waste of time because I don't know nothin'. These days, telling the truth is a revolutionary act. |
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Posted: 6/27/2017 9:49:23 PM EDT
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Ah, "Befehl ist Befehl!" - the Nuremberg defense. You need some spiritual introspection. There is still such a thing as right and wrong regardless of what the courts hold. It is permanent and immovable - and you need to find it somewhere other than in the interlocked arms of your brothers that are declaring war on the unwashed masses. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Officers should be fired and jailed for same amount of time. You need some spiritual introspection. There is still such a thing as right and wrong regardless of what the courts hold. It is permanent and immovable - and you need to find it somewhere other than in the interlocked arms of your brothers that are declaring war on the unwashed masses. |
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Posted: 6/27/2017 9:49:43 PM EDT
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Of what relevance is Narcan to gypsum dust? |
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Posted: 6/27/2017 9:50:31 PM EDT
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What's the gain for him to do so? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Officers should be fired and jailed for same amount of time. |
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Posted: 6/27/2017 9:52:27 PM EDT
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all of the self outed moth breathers in this thread don't get my humor, apparently you included Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Of what relevance is Narcan to gypsum dust? LMAO If so, this is at least a three year comedy sketch with no punchline. |
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Posted: 6/27/2017 9:52:38 PM EDT
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This shit has to end.
The spirit of the constitution, and common sense, tells us a man should be secure in his property. That individuals should be free to exercise their inalienable rights to life, liberty and pursuit of happiness. These are kind of our founding principles and the support of which is the value of the United States of America. Without supporting these inalienable rights, the United States and its constitution are both worthless. Our execution of the law shouldn't be "if it catches one criminal", it should be "if it protects one individual's rights to life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness". The war on drugs isn't worth violating our basic values. |
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Posted: 6/27/2017 9:53:43 PM EDT
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all of the self outed moth breathers in this thread don't get my humor, apparently you included Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Of what relevance is Narcan to gypsum dust? |
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Posted: 6/27/2017 9:55:50 PM EDT
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This shit has to end. The spirit of the constitution, and common sense, tells us a man should be secure in his property. That individuals should be free to exercise their inalienable rights to life, liberty and pursuit of happiness. These are kind of our founding principals and the support of which is the value of the United States of America. Without supporting these inalienable rights, the United States and its constitution are both worthless. Our execution of the law shouldn't be "if it catches one criminal", it should be "if it protects one individual's rights to life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness". The war on drugs isn't worth violating our basic values. But like Trumps tweets; fuck it, I am all in. |
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Posted: 6/27/2017 9:57:39 PM EDT
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What if the money tests positive for cocaine? Check mate. It's like the Catch-22 of drug busts. |
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Posted: 6/27/2017 9:57:39 PM EDT
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I don't think suing should be necessary. I think each level of "legal", wrongful kidnapping should at the minimum carry a financial penalty, and reparations. Something like this... 1. $10,000 for the arrest itself plus any damage to property or loss of wages. 2. $10,000 for the initial booking at the jail, and then 3x the person's hourly earnings (or minimum wage if unemployed), for each hour spent in jail. All paid upon exoneration. Then the municipality must undergo the expense to clear the person's name, articles and press releases, whatever it takes. Because like it or not, admit it or not, everyone pretty much makes assumptions about you if you're arrested. It matters not whether you're innocent or what you're being arrested for, we all make conscious and subconscious assumptions about the arrestee. I think the state should be held accountable for unjustified or mistaken disruptions to a person's life, and it should be enough to make them a little more reluctant to pull the trigger willy-nilly, or abuse their "legal" authority. It should also more than make the arrestee whole, and compensate him/her for the trauma and disruption to their life. I also think the arresting officer, and any other government official involved should be thoroughly investigated, and at the very least reprimanded and retrained. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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i would be suing the shit out of that dept. . makes you wonder if dogs are actually misused regularly. Something like this... 1. $10,000 for the arrest itself plus any damage to property or loss of wages. 2. $10,000 for the initial booking at the jail, and then 3x the person's hourly earnings (or minimum wage if unemployed), for each hour spent in jail. All paid upon exoneration. Then the municipality must undergo the expense to clear the person's name, articles and press releases, whatever it takes. Because like it or not, admit it or not, everyone pretty much makes assumptions about you if you're arrested. It matters not whether you're innocent or what you're being arrested for, we all make conscious and subconscious assumptions about the arrestee. I think the state should be held accountable for unjustified or mistaken disruptions to a person's life, and it should be enough to make them a little more reluctant to pull the trigger willy-nilly, or abuse their "legal" authority. It should also more than make the arrestee whole, and compensate him/her for the trauma and disruption to their life. I also think the arresting officer, and any other government official involved should be thoroughly investigated, and at the very least reprimanded and retrained. The argument that an arrest is not a conviction is based on the idea that absent a conviction, there is no punishment. That is obviously false on the face of it, and everyone needs to quit pretending otherwise. An arrest, even a false one that leads to charges being dropped or dismissed, is still hugely destructive. At a minimum, when these things occur, the state should be liable for all legal fees and lost wages. There should also be a requirement that the state make a public statement admitting wrongdoing. I'm less onboard with personal consequences for the arresting officers unless it is obviously egregious or the officer has a history of causing problems like this. I don't want cops afraid to do their jobs. At the end of the day, the taxpayers are responsible for the actions of their employees, so I don't have an issue with reparations for lost wages and lost reputation coming out of the public treasury. |
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Posted: 6/27/2017 9:58:38 PM EDT
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Now it's humor? LMAO If so, this is at least a three year comedy sketch with no punchline. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Of what relevance is Narcan to gypsum dust? LMAO If so, this is at least a three year comedy sketch with no punchline. |
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Posted: 6/27/2017 9:59:43 PM EDT
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Don't worry. We have investigated ourselves and our dogs, and have found nothing wrong. Thank you for your concern, citizen.
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Posted: 6/27/2017 10:00:10 PM EDT
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This person is on to something. The argument that an arrest is not a conviction is based on the idea that absent a conviction, there is no punishment. That is obviously false on the face of it, and everyone needs to quit pretending otherwise. An arrest, even a false one that leads to charges being dropped or dismissed, is still hugely destructive. At a minimum, when these things occur, the state should be liable for all legal fees and lost wages. There should also be a requirement that the state make a public statement admitting wrongdoing. I'm less onboard with personal consequences for the arresting officers unless it is obviously egregious or the officer has a history of causing problems like this. I don't want cops afraid to do their jobs. At the end of the day, the taxpayers are responsible for the actions of their employees, so I don't have an issue with reparations for lost wages and lost reputation coming out of the public treasury. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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i would be suing the shit out of that dept. . makes you wonder if dogs are actually misused regularly. Something like this... 1. $10,000 for the arrest itself plus any damage to property or loss of wages. 2. $10,000 for the initial booking at the jail, and then 3x the person's hourly earnings (or minimum wage if unemployed), for each hour spent in jail. All paid upon exoneration. Then the municipality must undergo the expense to clear the person's name, articles and press releases, whatever it takes. Because like it or not, admit it or not, everyone pretty much makes assumptions about you if you're arrested. It matters not whether you're innocent or what you're being arrested for, we all make conscious and subconscious assumptions about the arrestee. I think the state should be held accountable for unjustified or mistaken disruptions to a person's life, and it should be enough to make them a little more reluctant to pull the trigger willy-nilly, or abuse their "legal" authority. It should also more than make the arrestee whole, and compensate him/her for the trauma and disruption to their life. I also think the arresting officer, and any other government official involved should be thoroughly investigated, and at the very least reprimanded and retrained. The argument that an arrest is not a conviction is based on the idea that absent a conviction, there is no punishment. That is obviously false on the face of it, and everyone needs to quit pretending otherwise. An arrest, even a false one that leads to charges being dropped or dismissed, is still hugely destructive. At a minimum, when these things occur, the state should be liable for all legal fees and lost wages. There should also be a requirement that the state make a public statement admitting wrongdoing. I'm less onboard with personal consequences for the arresting officers unless it is obviously egregious or the officer has a history of causing problems like this. I don't want cops afraid to do their jobs. At the end of the day, the taxpayers are responsible for the actions of their employees, so I don't have an issue with reparations for lost wages and lost reputation coming out of the public treasury. |
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Posted: 6/27/2017 10:00:52 PM EDT
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I did not read it as humor. I read it as smug pugnacity - that the Narcan was considered the more relevant item for the officer to carry rather than the known-to-be-faulty field test. This is a continuance of his straw man tactics however. Narcan has no relevance to gypsum dust, which is the primary topic of this thread. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Of what relevance is Narcan to gypsum dust? LMAO If so, this is at least a three year comedy sketch with no punchline. Edit - I wonder if this expert witness can recall our debates from 2013. Him and his infallible testimony. |
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Posted: 6/27/2017 10:02:21 PM EDT
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I think cops should carry personal liability insurance that is not on the taxpayers dime like I am expected to carry liability insurance on my own dime for cutting grass. |
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Posted: 6/27/2017 10:02:39 PM EDT
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Don't worry. We have investigated ourselves and our dogs, and have found nothing wrong. Thank you for your concern, citizen. |
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Posted: 6/27/2017 10:02:59 PM EDT
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Lol why are you blaming the officers for what the court says constitutes valid PC for an arrest? |
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Posted: 6/27/2017 10:03:35 PM EDT
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all of the self outed moth breathers in this thread don't get my humor, apparently you included |
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Posted: 6/27/2017 10:04:10 PM EDT
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I think cops should carry personal liability insurance that is not on the taxpayers dime like I am expected to carry liability insurance on my own dime for cutting grass. |
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Posted: 6/27/2017 10:04:21 PM EDT
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all of the self outed moth breathers in this thread don't get my humor, apparently you included Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Posted: 6/27/2017 10:04:51 PM EDT
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I think cops should carry personal liability insurance that is not on the taxpayers dime like I am expected to carry liability insurance on my own dime for cutting grass. |
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Posted: 6/27/2017 10:05:38 PM EDT
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I am sure you will advocate for it next monday, when the market collapses. |
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Posted: 6/27/2017 10:06:07 PM EDT
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You should probably double-check your punctuation and spelling when you're calling everyone else a "moth breather." Quote HistoryQuoted:
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all of the self outed moth breathers in this thread don't get my humor, apparently you included How the tides have changed since I was a young grasshopper. Hole E Phuck |
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Posted: 6/27/2017 10:06:44 PM EDT
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i would be suing the shit out of that dept. . makes you wonder if dogs are actually misused regularly.  They are called PC on a leash for a reason.
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Posted: 6/27/2017 10:09:27 PM EDT
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This shit has to end. The spirit of the constitution, and common sense, tells us a man should be secure in his property. That individuals should be free to exercise their inalienable rights to life, liberty and pursuit of happiness. These are kind of our founding principles and the support of which is the value of the United States of America. Without supporting these inalienable rights, the United States and its constitution are both worthless. Our execution of the law shouldn't be "if it catches one criminal", it should be "if it protects one individual's rights to life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness". The war on drugs isn't worth violating our basic values. The courts have granted law enforcement to use drug dogs to circumvent our founding principles Let's visit my earlier post with picture. I have a felony drug arrest on my record, a few thousand in cash, gun, and white powder in my vehicle. I was arrested for my prescribed medications being in the wrong bottle = felony drug arrest record even though no criminal history (charges dropped). The cash is lawfully acquired earnings used to buy specialized construction materials quickly where I have no account. White powder is, wait for it.....drywall from one of my jobs. Gun is my rifle because, fuck you! That's why. But yes, because of a blue knight with no motive to do the right thing, I get to do the stupid human tricks if I'm stopped for a burned out trailer light. Because of a felony drug ARREST, for legally prescribed and possessed meds not in the correct container. I could very well be this man in the OP arrested by LEO in this very thread.  Attached File Attached File |
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Posted: 6/27/2017 10:09:58 PM EDT
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I am sure you will advocate for it next monday, when the market collapses. What a brave man you are. |
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Posted: 6/27/2017 10:11:26 PM EDT
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You should probably double-check your punctuation and spelling when you're calling everyone else a "moth breather." |
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Posted: 6/27/2017 10:12:20 PM EDT
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Bingo! Let's visit my earlier post with picture. I have a felony drug arrest on my record, a few thousand in cash, gun, and white powder in my vehicle. I was arrested for my prescribed medications being in the wrong bottle = felony drug arrest record even though no criminal history (charges dropped). The cash is lawfully acquired earnings used to buy specialized construction materials quickly where I have no account. White powder is, wait for it.....drywall from one of my jobs. Gun is my rifle because, fuck you! That's why. But yes, because of a blue knight with no motive to do the right thing, I get to do the stupid human tricks if I'm stopped for a burned out trailer light. Because of a felony drug ARREST, for legally prescribed and possessed meds not in the correct container. I could very well be this man in the OP arrested by LEO in this very thread. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/139525/IMG-0531-240249.JPG https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/139525/IMG-0532-240250.JPG Quote HistoryQuoted:
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This shit has to end. The spirit of the constitution, and common sense, tells us a man should be secure in his property. That individuals should be free to exercise their inalienable rights to life, liberty and pursuit of happiness. These are kind of our founding principles and the support of which is the value of the United States of America. Without supporting these inalienable rights, the United States and its constitution are both worthless. Our execution of the law shouldn't be "if it catches one criminal", it should be "if it protects one individual's rights to life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness". The war on drugs isn't worth violating our basic values. The courts have granted law enforcement to use drug dogs to circumvent our founding principles Let's visit my earlier post with picture. I have a felony drug arrest on my record, a few thousand in cash, gun, and white powder in my vehicle. I was arrested for my prescribed medications being in the wrong bottle = felony drug arrest record even though no criminal history (charges dropped). The cash is lawfully acquired earnings used to buy specialized construction materials quickly where I have no account. White powder is, wait for it.....drywall from one of my jobs. Gun is my rifle because, fuck you! That's why. But yes, because of a blue knight with no motive to do the right thing, I get to do the stupid human tricks if I'm stopped for a burned out trailer light. Because of a felony drug ARREST, for legally prescribed and possessed meds not in the correct container. I could very well be this man in the OP arrested by LEO in this very thread. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/139525/IMG-0531-240249.JPG https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/139525/IMG-0532-240250.JPG Edit- operating. |
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Posted: 6/27/2017 10:13:57 PM EDT
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Posted: 6/27/2017 10:14:00 PM EDT
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Like the tacticool cargo pockets? What a brave man you are. |
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Posted: 6/27/2017 10:19:32 PM EDT
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Dogs are approximately as accurate at detecting drugs as flipping coins would be. Let's get rid of drug-sniffing dogs. That's actually a pretty accurate analogy. Heads, you're free to go. Tails, the coin licks its own ass and sends you to jail for 3 months. |
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Posted: 6/27/2017 10:21:55 PM EDT
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when are you just gonna go ahead and tell us what you were wrongfully charged with? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Like the tacticool cargo pockets? What a brave man you are. The only thing I am ashamed of is my DUI that I deserved, but it was bullshit by no fault of the trooper that responded after I called the cops on myself. I am a special kind of fucked up, and I pride myself on that. Edit - that trooper said he would have let me go after my preliminary hearing had he known who I was prior to the arrest. I knew who he was by his name and fished for shit when we talked afterwards because I needed to learn that lesson. But I can tell you about a police chief that watched his son beat up my little brother while on duty before he was chief, and how I exacted immediate revenge. Strangely enough, I wasnt arrested but I was jumped by his biker buddies not long after. Needless to say, I can blow every stop sign in town without worries these days. I am like the gangbanger you ignore because your dick isn't big enough to fuck me. |
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Posted: 6/27/2017 10:22:22 PM EDT
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This shit has to end. The spirit of the constitution, and common sense, tells us a man should be secure in his property. That individuals should be free to exercise their inalienable rights to life, liberty and pursuit of happiness. These are kind of our founding principles and the support of which is the value of the United States of America. Without supporting these inalienable rights, the United States and its constitution are both worthless. Our execution of the law shouldn't be "if it catches one criminal", it should be "if it protects one individual's rights to life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness". The war on drugs isn't worth violating our basic values. I don't see it changing in my lifetime though,so we'll all rehash this next time it happens............. |
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Posted: 6/27/2017 10:24:11 PM EDT
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when are you just gonna go ahead and tell us what you were wrongfully charged with? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Posted: 6/27/2017 10:25:20 PM EDT
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LOL no it doesn't. It is FACT that dogs are missused 100% of the time and most times there is a "hit" is because the handler wants PC to search and signals it. There have been NUMEROUS independent tests that shows that dogs are wrong something like 60%+ of the time. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-watch/wp/2015/08/04/federal-appeals-court-drug-dog-thats-barely-more-accurate-than-a-coin-flip-is-good-enough/ http://national.suntimes.com/national-world-news/7/72/2572167/drug-sniffing-police-dogs-inaccurate-reflect-racial-bias/ http://reason.com/blog/2013/02/27/how-even-a-well-trained-narcotics-detect |
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Posted: 6/27/2017 10:25:59 PM EDT
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I have earned and not fought a single charge that has been brought against me. I will IM you with my info if you would like to verify. I have roughly outlined all incidences on this very forum. The only thing I am ashamed of is my DUI that I deserved, but it was bullshit by no fault of the trooper that responded after I called the cops on myself. I am a special kind of fucked up, and I pride myself on that. Just seems your hate grows from some incident(s) where you were fucked over. Guess not |
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Posted: 6/27/2017 10:26:51 PM EDT
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I have earned and not fought a single charge that has been brought against me. I will IM you with my info if you would like to verify. I have roughly outlined all incidences on this very forum. The only thing I am ashamed of is my DUI that I deserved, but it was bullshit by no fault of the trooper that responded after I called the cops on myself. I am a special kind of fucked up, and I pride myself on that. |
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Posted: 6/27/2017 10:29:01 PM EDT
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Posted: 6/27/2017 10:33:18 PM EDT
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I have earned and not fought a single charge that has been brought against me. I will IM you with my info if you would like to verify. I have roughly outlined all incidences on this very forum. The only thing I am ashamed of is my DUI that I deserved, but it was bullshit by no fault of the trooper that responded after I called the cops on myself. I am a special kind of fucked up, and I pride myself on that. Just seems your hate grows from some incident(s) where you were fucked over. Guess not |
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Posted: 6/27/2017 10:35:04 PM EDT
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I have earned and not fought a single charge that has been brought against me. I will IM you with my info if you would like to verify. I have roughly outlined all incidences on this very forum. The only thing I am ashamed of is my DUI that I deserved, but it was bullshit by no fault of the trooper that responded after I called the cops on myself. I am a special kind of fucked up, and I pride myself on that. |
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Posted: 6/27/2017 10:37:47 PM EDT
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Lol why are you blaming the officers for what the court says constitutes valid PC for an arrest? 
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Posted: 6/27/2017 10:47:31 PM EDT
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Posted: 6/27/2017 10:49:19 PM EDT
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I'm not going to defend or condemn the use of dogs. My concern is the false positive test. Was this addressed? My experience is that nothing will cause a false positive for cocaine. And why did they get a case filed without a positive lab test?
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Posted: 6/27/2017 10:50:29 PM EDT
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Posted: 6/27/2017 10:57:55 PM EDT
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I'm not going to defend or condemn the use of dogs. My concern is the false positive test. Was this addressed? My experience is that nothing will cause a false positive for cocaine. And why did they get a case filed without a positive lab test? |
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Posted: 6/27/2017 10:59:32 PM EDT
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I'm not going to defend or condemn the use of dogs. My concern is the false positive test. Was this addressed? My experience is that nothing will cause a false positive for cocaine. And why did they get a case filed without a positive lab test? |
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Posted: 6/27/2017 11:05:29 PM EDT
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