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Posted: 5/31/2021 11:44:04 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: We talked about that. I really don't know. yes they will still hit on it. worked with k9 teams a good bit the last few years in training |
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Posted: 5/31/2021 11:45:54 AM EDT
[#2]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I believe there was a shooting outside and a couple robberies in the last year or two. they have had multiple car jackings robberies and at least one homicide in the parking deck prior to the sunday school student getting capped |
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Posted: 5/31/2021 11:57:29 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: they have had multiple car jackings robberies and at least one homicide in the parking deck prior to the sunday school student getting capped Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I believe there was a shooting outside and a couple robberies in the last year or two. they have had multiple car jackings robberies and at least one homicide in the parking deck prior to the sunday school student getting capped These I did not know about. I don't necessarily feel safer with cops around because the bad guys pick times when the cops aren't around to do their bad stuff. 
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Posted: 5/31/2021 12:01:38 PM EDT
[#4]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Your story has all kinds of fucked-up in it. These days starting with "going to the mall" Not a whole lot of malls left without too many scumbags in them. |
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Posted: 5/31/2021 12:08:23 PM EDT
[#5]
Short boring story..., but typical preferential treatment of the tax collector.
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Posted: 5/31/2021 12:12:46 PM EDT
[#6]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Makes sense, but I thought they were trying to stop live bombs from being boarded on the plane. He said they light up like a Christmas tree for black powder and black powder burn residue. But unburned smokeless or fully burned smokeless/nitro compounds don't do much. But partially decomposed nitro compounds react. Which is consistent with folks I know that work with and around explosives, and never trip for a second review. |
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Posted: 5/31/2021 12:18:36 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: My agency requires we carry off duty in the county except when drinking or where prohibited on federal property. |
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Posted: 5/31/2021 12:19:34 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: What the hell is it going to alert on? The smell of metal? "Sorry officer, I have my car keys right here" Carbon? "Sorry officer, I was at the range earlier" (and maybe he should maintain his firearm better if that was what it alerted on) CLP? "Sorry officer, it's my cologne"  Lol I don't care how well you maintain your firearm. You will not rove all traces of carbon and nitrates. |
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Posted: 5/31/2021 12:21:33 PM EDT
[#9]
Quote HistoryQuoted: These days starting with "going to the mall" Not a whole lot of malls left without too many scumbags in them.  I had a client who was stopped for stealing from some mall store. The cops saw she had a felony warrant from another county and told they store manager they weren't going to bother charging her for the theft. |
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Posted: 5/31/2021 12:34:15 PM EDT
[#10]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I forgot how we got talking about it but a friend mine said her husband, who is a cop, said to not park in the parking lot closest to the movie theater at a big mall because that's where the fights are. I had a client who was stopped for stealing from some mall store. The cops saw she had a felony warrant from another county and told they store manager they weren't going to bother charging her for the theft. Most of the fights back in the day was near or at the movie theater at this mall. |
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Posted: 5/31/2021 12:41:12 PM EDT
[#11]
Quote HistoryQuoted: What the hell is it going to alert on? The smell of metal? Besides propellant of ammo, or burned residue, probably common gun care products. Hell, I can smell Hopes #9 when handling firearms at shows, and I'm not even part dog.  |
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Posted: 5/31/2021 12:47:53 PM EDT
[#12]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Gun powder. Bomb sniffing dogs. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: What the hell is it going to alert on? The smell of metal? "Sorry officer, I have my car keys right here" Carbon? "Sorry officer, I was at the range earlier" (and maybe he should maintain his firearm better if that was what it alerted on) CLP? "Sorry officer, it's my cologne" Gun powder. Bomb sniffing dogs. What would happen hypothetically if someone had some smokeless powder in their pocket and a small hole?? |
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Posted: 5/31/2021 12:50:39 PM EDT
[#13]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Too bad I'm not a cop, I'd like to protect my family too. Irrelevant tangent: I can't tell you how many times TSA swabbed my laptop with the explosives test and never got a positive, despite the fact it was saturated with gun powder from my reloading bench. I got flagged for a positive hit on luggage that was complete bullshit. |
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Posted: 5/31/2021 12:59:09 PM EDT
[#14]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I participated in a webinar recently on venue security. The thermal scanning tech, they can see your gun. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: While the special treatment is certainly an issue, I think the point of this particular post was that (1) they’re sniffing us out and (2) “concealed means concealed” may not always work. I participated in a webinar recently on venue security. The thermal scanning tech, they can see your gun. Disney is using this at the parks now. It can find two inch folding pocket knives. |
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Posted: 5/31/2021 1:00:04 PM EDT
[#15]
So is stuff like this coming to non sketchy public venues? Malls, movie theaters, concert venues, theme parks etc
Is this going to be an industry standard? |
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Posted: 5/31/2021 1:10:07 PM EDT
[#16]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Yeah but when bullets start flying me and you get to tuck tail and run away. We also get to make more than $35k a year. So look on the bright side.  Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Cop gets to carry in mall off duty. I carry in mall and probably get told to leave or worse. Lol Yeah but when bullets start flying me and you get to tuck tail and run away. We also get to make more than $35k a year. So look on the bright side. Police are under no obligation to respond to a shooting, or to protect you. |
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Posted: 5/31/2021 1:13:55 PM EDT
[#17]
Quote HistoryQuoted: These I did not know about. I don't necessarily feel safer with cops around because the bad guys pick times when the cops aren't around to do their bad stuff. Unfortunately, the policies effectively create more opportunities between the parking and inside mall area. As well as increase the likelihood of someone leaving a desirable item in an unattended vehicle. |
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Posted: 5/31/2021 1:22:55 PM EDT
[#18]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I participated in a webinar recently on venue security. The thermal scanning tech, they can see your gun. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: While the special treatment is certainly an issue, I think the point of this particular post was that (1) they’re sniffing us out and (2) “concealed means concealed” may not always work. I participated in a webinar recently on venue security. The thermal scanning tech, they can see your gun. Firearms can also be detected under your clothing, in backpacks and other bags, by radar too. Specifically by SAR. |
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Posted: 5/31/2021 1:24:04 PM EDT
[#19]
Quote HistoryQuoted: So what happens if someone sprinkles gun powder on the ground around the entrance to the mall? Gave me a mental image and spit coffee all over the porch. Could be fun to count the doors on the building then get that many folks together and roll in all at once one per door. Trickling powder all thru the damn mall then sit and watch the dogs lose their shit at random everywhere in the building Good times |
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Posted: 5/31/2021 1:25:16 PM EDT
[#20]
FPNI. What is the legal of effect of violating a posted gun free zone in Alabama?
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Posted: 5/31/2021 1:28:10 PM EDT
[#21]
Quote HistoryQuoted: If the mall has to employ a gun-sniffing canine, why the @&$# would your buddy be at that mall with his family? yep, that's a wrap |
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Posted: 5/31/2021 1:28:28 PM EDT
[#22]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Cops have no legal duty to protect you or save your life |
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Posted: 5/31/2021 1:29:39 PM EDT
[#23]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Firearms can also be detected under your clothing, in backpacks and other bags, by radar too. Specifically by SAR. Need some plastic nuchucks
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Posted: 5/31/2021 1:29:53 PM EDT
[#24]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Cops have no legal duty to protect you or save your life Still say that has nothing to do with stopping a criminal act in progress. ETA: Distinction with a difference whereby it’s not protecting someone but rather stopping one person while in the criminal activity of assaulting another. |
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Posted: 5/31/2021 1:30:36 PM EDT
[#25]
Quote HistoryQuoted: FPNI. What is the legal of effect of violating a posted gun free zone in Alabama? There isn't one. |
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Posted: 5/31/2021 1:35:19 PM EDT
[#26]
Quote HistoryQuoted: How does "no guns" work legally in AL? Their business, their rules and all, but does the usual Beretta silhouette with a red circle/slash carry legal weight? Inquiring Texans want to know. It Texas that sign better be in English/Spanish and in 1"x1" block format and measure 4'x4'. |
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Posted: 5/31/2021 1:36:04 PM EDT
[#27]
Quote HistoryQuoted: So he got special treatment for being a cop? Shocker |
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Posted: 5/31/2021 1:38:25 PM EDT
[#28]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Gecko45 wouldn’t have put up with that sort of shit! He would have bladed at 45 and called in his highly trained spooks to fuck you up. |
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Posted: 5/31/2021 1:41:18 PM EDT
[#29]
Quote HistoryQuoted: So is stuff like this coming to non sketchy public venues? Malls, movie theaters, concert venues, theme parks etc Is this going to be an industry standard? Already here, if you see a handler/dog, assume its trained on all types of scent. |
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Posted: 5/31/2021 1:41:47 PM EDT
[#30]
Quote HistoryQuoted: What would happen hypothetically if someone had some smokeless powder in their pocket and a small hole?? You just described my dream girl. |
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Posted: 5/31/2021 1:43:49 PM EDT
[#31]
In for the anti cop butthurt.
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Posted: 5/31/2021 1:45:27 PM EDT
[#32]
Quote HistoryQuoted: He would have bladed at 45 and called in his highly trained spooks to fuck you up. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Gecko45 wouldn’t have put up with that sort of shit! He would have bladed at 45 and called in his highly trained spooks to fuck you up. Yes, Sir. He was a more elegant troll for a more civilized age. RIP, Gecko45. |
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Posted: 5/31/2021 1:46:10 PM EDT
[#33]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Still say that has nothing to do with stopping a criminal act in progress. ETA: Distinction with a difference whereby it’s not protecting someone but rather stopping one person while in the criminal activity of assaulting another. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Cops have no legal duty to protect you or save your life Still say that has nothing to do with stopping a criminal act in progress. ETA: Distinction with a difference whereby it’s not protecting someone but rather stopping one person while in the criminal activity of assaulting another. I’m not sure I understand your post. A cop’s job is to investigate and arrest. If they are there investigating a crime in progress and happen to save your life, it’s a byproduct of the investigation and arrest they’re there to perform. They aren’t obligated to save your life. Edited for spelling. |
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Posted: 5/31/2021 1:47:30 PM EDT
[#34]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Yes, Sir. He was a more elegant troll for a more civilized age. RIP, Gecko45. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Gecko45 wouldn’t have put up with that sort of shit! He would have bladed at 45 and called in his highly trained spooks to fuck you up. Yes, Sir. He was a more elegant troll for a more civilized age. RIP, Gecko45.  Attached File |
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Posted: 5/31/2021 1:49:44 PM EDT
[#35]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I’m not sure I understand your post. A cop’s job is to investigate and arrest. If they are there investigating a crime in progress and happen to save your life, it’s a biproduct of the investigation and arrest they’re there to perform. They aren’t obligated to save your life. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Cops have no legal duty to protect you or save your life Still say that has nothing to do with stopping a criminal act in progress. ETA: Distinction with a difference whereby it’s not protecting someone but rather stopping one person while in the criminal activity of assaulting another. I’m not sure I understand your post. A cop’s job is to investigate and arrest. If they are there investigating a crime in progress and happen to save your life, it’s a biproduct of the investigation and arrest they’re there to perform. They aren’t obligated to save your life. That’s exactly what I’m saying. It seems though that many think it should mean an officer should be able to just walk away without interdicting. Stopping the crime in progress is their duty; that they may save a life or a person from further harm is the byproduct. |
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Posted: 5/31/2021 1:55:19 PM EDT
[#36]
If I was a LEO and there was a chance of running into a thug that I'd arrested at some point I'd carry everywhere I went too.
I'm not a cop of any sort and I still carry everywhere I go. |
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Posted: 5/31/2021 2:01:29 PM EDT
[#37]
Quote HistoryQuoted: How many place outside of casinos or places like Disney have magic gun detectors? I wouldn't be surprised if CCW in urban areas ends because of this technology in this century, but how prevalent is it now? Need some plastic nuchucks Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Firearms can also be detected under your clothing, in backpacks and other bags, by radar too. Specifically by SAR. Need some plastic nuchucks I could see this technology eventually being integrated into the entrances and exits of buildings, just like the shoplifting detectors are now. Or how about along with license plate scanners, law enforcement vehicles also have firearm scanners that scan everyone that it passes by while driving down a street? Drones that fly over crowds of people scanning for weapons? |
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Posted: 5/31/2021 2:02:43 PM EDT
[#38]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I could see this technology eventually being integrated into the entrances and exits of buildings, just like the shoplifting detectors are now. Or how about along with license plate scanners, law enforcement vehicles also have firearm scanners that scan everyone that it passes by while driving down a street? Drones that fly over crowds of people scanning for weapons? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Firearms can also be detected under your clothing, in backpacks and other bags, by radar too. Specifically by SAR. Need some plastic nuchucks I could see this technology eventually being integrated into the entrances and exits of buildings, just like the shoplifting detectors are now. Or how about along with license plate scanners, law enforcement vehicles also have firearm scanners that scan everyone that it passes by while driving down a street? Drones that fly over crowds of people scanning for weapons? Backpacks |
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Posted: 5/31/2021 2:04:15 PM EDT
[#39]
The entire thing is so stupid. Ban guns because of high profile shootings because this policy will stop the next one.
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Posted: 5/31/2021 2:06:31 PM EDT
[#40]
Riverside? Yeah after last Black Friday I said fuck all that. Saw a hit and run and a verbal altercation before I even walked in the door. I said we needed to fo, but the rest of the group I was with said no. The inside went smoothly though, thankfully.
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Posted: 5/31/2021 2:10:34 PM EDT
[#41]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Too bad I'm not a cop, I'd like to protect my family too. Irrelevant tangent: I can't tell you how many times TSA swabbed my laptop with the explosives test and never got a positive, despite the fact it was saturated with gun powder from my reloading bench. I used to work in a lot of ammonia (basically explosives) plants. One time I had been all over the ammonium nitrate unit. That shit had to be on my boots, laptop, clothes, backpack... I was all over that place for a full day. At the airport on the way home, I got pulled for the swab. They rubbed that thing all over my computer belt, boots, everything. I was sure I was going to get pulled into the back room and cavity searched. “You’re good to go!” Wtf. Was the machine plugged in? |
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Posted: 5/31/2021 2:11:53 PM EDT
[#42]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I used to work in a lot of ammonia (basically explosives) plants. One time I had been all over the ammonium nitrate unit. That shit had to be on my boots, laptop, clothes, backpack... I was all over that place for a full day. At the airport on the way home, I got pulled for the swab. They rubbed that thing all over my computer belt, boots, everything. I was sure I was going to get pulled into the back room and cavity searched. “You’re good to go!” Wtf. Was the machine plugged in? PCS or UREA plants? |
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Posted: 5/31/2021 2:16:17 PM EDT
[#43]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Gun powder. Bomb sniffing dogs. This is why I dump my old gun powder onto the floors at the public bathrooms in the airport. 
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Posted: 5/31/2021 2:20:58 PM EDT
[#44]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Fuck that mall, security twit and policies they have in place because savages do their things at malls... They can eat a bag of rectal sootkins |
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Posted: 5/31/2021 2:23:47 PM EDT
[#45]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Probably gun powder residue or oils. Guessing there's no scientific testing to establish that dogs can reliably smell gunpowder residue. I'd also wonder if privately owned dogs are even more "hold my dog bone and watch this" https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Florida_v._Harris Aldo the Ouija Dog said a guy had drugs, and he did. Later Aldo said he had drugs and he didn't. Supreme Court upheld the search lol Interesting reading of the case. It comes up here often enough. |
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Posted: 5/31/2021 2:25:05 PM EDT
[#46]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Whats sad is the area was held as the Gold standard for safety and affluence for the longest time. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: It's funny to me that every "local" person knew the exact location I was referring to without having to say it. Whats sad is the area was held as the Gold standard for safety and affluence for the longest time. What ever could have changed? |
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Posted: 5/31/2021 2:26:46 PM EDT
[#47]
Quote HistoryQuoted: What if it's in your prison wallet? I saw this xray of a naa mini once, and the mac stinger came with a rubber sleeve that you could astroglide. Constipation would slow that drawstroke |
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Posted: 5/31/2021 2:28:50 PM EDT
[#48]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I asked him the same question. His wife wanted to go. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: If the mall has to employ a gun-sniffing canine, why the @&$# would your buddy be at that mall with his family? I asked him the same question. His wife wanted to go. |
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Posted: 5/31/2021 2:29:26 PM EDT
[#49]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Probably gun powder residue or oils. Guessing there's no scientific testing to establish that dogs can reliably smell gunpowder residue. I'd also wonder if privately owned dogs are even more "hold my dog bone and watch this" https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Florida_v._Harris Aldo the Ouija Dog said a guy had drugs, and he did. Later Aldo said he had drugs and he didn't. Supreme Court upheld the search lol Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: What the hell is it going to alert on? The smell of metal? "Sorry officer, I have my car keys right here" Carbon? "Sorry officer, I was at the range earlier" (and maybe he should maintain his firearm better if that was what it alerted on) CLP? "Sorry officer, it's my cologne" https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Florida_v._Harris Aldo the Ouija Dog said a guy had drugs, and he did. Later Aldo said he had drugs and he didn't. Supreme Court upheld the search lol IIRC Aldo had a 100% hit rate, nevermind the fact that they didn't count the thousand times he alerted and found nothing. |
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Posted: 5/31/2021 2:33:55 PM EDT
[#50]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Some years back my dad emptied his carry gun the old fashioned way before tossing it in the safe and going to the airport for a flight (he virtually never flies). He set off the residue alarm at the airport and got searched. He didn't alarm for the gun. |
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