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Posted: 5/31/2021 2:36:07 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Police are under no obligation to respond to a shooting, or to protect you. Yet they do it all the time. |
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Posted: 5/31/2021 2:37:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Gun powder is not an explosive therefore not a tracer the test detects. Try some Pyrodex powder next time. None of what you wrote is correct. |
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Posted: 5/31/2021 2:39:39 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I checked with a K9 buddy, it's the gun powder. They are explosive detecting K9's. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I wonder what it is, specifically, that the dogs hit on. Is it the smokeless powder residue? Primer residue? Gun oil? It would be fun to have one of those metal AMEX cards (or any other similar decoy...pocket knife, nail clippers, keys, you name it), expose it to whatever it is the dogs hit on, and then troll 'em in the mall. I checked with a K9 buddy, it's the gun powder. They are explosive detecting K9's. |
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Posted: 5/31/2021 2:45:11 PM EDT
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Does the dog hit on my hoppes?
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Posted: 5/31/2021 2:45:30 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It's a propellant that burns, the rate of that burn is less than explosive material, therefore does not qualify it as an explosive. Just because some components may be nitroglycerine does not make it an explosive compound. The chamber of a firearm would rupture if gun powder exploded, but it doesn't, it burns and accelerates the bullet out the barrel. Pyrodex is more explosive than gunpowder used in cartridges. You can double down if you want, but you're still wrong. |
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Posted: 5/31/2021 2:45:42 PM EDT
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Main idea here ain't off duty LE.
If a business wants me disarmed, they dont deserve my business.  Attached File |
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Posted: 5/31/2021 2:46:44 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yet they do it all the time. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Police are under no obligation to respond to a shooting, or to protect you. Yet they do it all the time. . Yes they do but that isn't the point. Somehow I think you know that. |
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Posted: 5/31/2021 3:03:04 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Trained to smell Hoppes #9.  So was my first dog. I found my wife that way. 
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Posted: 5/31/2021 3:19:26 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: This. It's almost as if they lower the quality of life everywhere they are present. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: No way I would go to a mall around here without a CCW. Large packs of black teens harassing people and acting feral. This. It's almost as if they lower the quality of life everywhere they are present. Some country should come up with a color-coded grading system and put it on postage stamps. |
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Posted: 5/31/2021 4:37:47 PM EDT
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So much violence at this mall!
Must be those wyte supreemasists I keep hearing about that commit most of those crimes...Since they're the biggest threat and all.... |
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Posted: 5/31/2021 6:30:53 PM EDT
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Posted: 5/31/2021 7:31:42 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: WTF? Our government is hopelessly broken at all levels. Quote Historyso they didn;t dispute the firing being justified, they disputed the sherrif waited to long to formally terminate them... One arbitrator had ruled in September that Broward Sheriff Gregory Tony acted 13 days too late when he fired deputy Stambaugh in 2019 for his conduct during the February 2018 massacre at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School. The shooting left 17 dead. State law says discipline against law enforcement officers must occur within 180 days of an investigation’s completion. Another arbitrator reinstated Miller last May, saying Tony had missed that deadline by two days. |
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Posted: 5/31/2021 7:37:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: What the hell is it going to alert on? img]http://www.ar15.com/images/smilies/smiley_abused.gif[/img] Nitrates? |
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Posted: 6/1/2021 12:13:08 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Some country should come up with a color-coded grading system and put it on postage stamps. Has Spain claimed it yet? |
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Posted: 6/1/2021 12:57:25 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I checked with a K9 buddy, it's the gun powder. They are explosive detecting K9's. Yes, this is what I was told years ago. The dog will sniff out the powder in the cartridge. If any law abiding CCW thinks he can ride through reciprocating gun friendly states on his way to visit family or friends in a rabidly anti-gun place like LA or NYC, and think he can just hide a disassembled and unloaded gun in the hidden compartment of his vehicle and plans on being a good boy and just not touching the gun again until leaving that town, well think again. Your car plate just might be the tip-off a bored anti-gun trooper or cop may use to call in for a local K9. . . . ETA; Was reading another post here that dogs sniffing out smokeless powder is BS. I don't want to find out the hard way. |
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Posted: 6/1/2021 1:44:49 AM EDT
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Was the rent a cops dog wearing goggles?
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Posted: 6/1/2021 8:10:33 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yes, this is what I was told years ago. The dog will sniff out the powder in the cartridge. If any law abiding CCW thinks he can ride through reciprocating gun friendly states on his way to visit family or friends in a rabidly anti-gun place like LA or NYC, and think he can just hide a disassembled and unloaded gun in the hidden compartment of his vehicle and plans on being a good boy and just not touching the gun again until leaving that town, well think again. Your car plate just might be the tip-off a bored anti-gun trooper or cop may use to call in for a local K9. . . . ETA; Was reading another post here that dogs sniffing out smokeless powder is BS. I don't want to find out the hard way. GD has this weird thing with dogs/K9's. Yes, they can smell drugs and yes they can smell your ammunition. https://wagwalking.com/sense/can-dogs-smell-firearms |
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Posted: 6/1/2021 8:54:30 AM EDT
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I'm going to say the Galleria, correct?
I haven't been there since 2015, and I don't plan on ever going back. I may be a jerk, but I'd love to bring in small plastic baggies of smokeless powder and dump them in the plants, on the floors, etc., just as a big F-U to the mall
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Posted: 6/1/2021 11:09:16 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm going to say the Galleria, correct? I haven't been there since 2015, and I don't plan on ever going back. I may be a jerk, but I'd love to bring in small plastic baggies of smokeless powder and dump them in the plants, on the floors, etc., just as a big F-U to the mall In the malls defense. How do you deter a certain element that brings lawlessness and guns into their building? The Thanksgiving shooting happened within feet of multiple uniformed cops. The whole mall was covered with cops that day. And yet, there was still a shooting. There is a HPD cop either on the property or very nearby at all times. Yet, they still have robberies, car jackings etc.. That last high profile shooting that killed the kid was after all the other measures that were put in place. Unless you ban teen to 40 yr old black males from the property, I don't have a good grasp on how to stop it. I'm actually shocked they are still in business. |
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Posted: 6/1/2021 11:14:38 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Unless there's open power exposed somewhere, and in a decent quantity, that's complete bullshit. Take a couple thousand round of say, 22lr. place it in a sealed can for a day or two. Now, open the can and take a sniff. Ammo plainly outgasses and has an obvious to a human odor. |
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Posted: 6/1/2021 11:36:02 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I wonder what it is, specifically, that the dogs hit on. Is it the smokeless powder residue? Primer residue? Gun oil? It would be fun to have one of those metal AMEX cards (or any other similar decoy...pocket knife, nail clippers, keys, you name it), expose it to whatever it is the dogs hit on, and then troll 'em in the mall. They most likely sniff out gunpowder. |
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Posted: 6/1/2021 11:41:53 AM EDT
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Just another reason to avoid the mall... congrats on losing even more business.
I can't be legally armed, and you'll have dogs that can sniff out my concealed weapon? I'll take my business elsewhere to the detriment of the shops. |
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Posted: 6/1/2021 11:54:56 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Gun powder. Bomb sniffing dogs. Not to derail the thread but I have it on good authority if you have an asshole boss and you have access to C4 if you press it against the outside of his or her luggage prior to returning to the United States from overseas, hilarity will ensue. Or so I’ve heard. That’s all I’ve got to say about that |
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Posted: 6/1/2021 11:56:11 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: They can eat a bag of rectal sootkins ArfCom generates yet another outstanding name for a band. |
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Posted: 6/1/2021 11:57:05 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: In the malls defense. How do you deter a certain element that brings lawlessness and guns into their building? The Thanksgiving shooting happened within feet of multiple uniformed cops. The whole mall was covered with cops that day. And yet, there was still a shooting. There is a HPD cop either on the property or very nearby at all times. Yet, they still have robberies, car jackings etc.. That last high profile shooting that killed the kid was after all the other measures that were put in place. Unless you ban teen to 40 yr old black males from the property, I don't have a good grasp on how to stop it. I'm actually shocked they are still in business. Been there several times and each time the place is pretty empty. The nights and weekends can get more interesting though. |
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Posted: 6/1/2021 12:03:07 PM EDT
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Next time I go to the range, this story kinda makes me want to put some fresh fired cases in a ziplock with a squirt of CLP and a rag, so I could bring the rag to said mall on next visit and innocuously wipe down various surfaces.
Just kinda. |
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Posted: 6/1/2021 12:03:23 PM EDT
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Gun sniffing dog?
 WTF...? More ouija dog bullshit, now being done by fucking rentacops? |
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Posted: 6/1/2021 12:11:18 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Cop gets to carry in mall off duty. I carry in mall and probably get told to leave or worse. Lol |
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Posted: 6/1/2021 12:11:48 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I believe it, something like that happened to me. My wife and I were hiking on a local trail, and I had a S&W 642 in my pocket. Another hiker and his dog passed going in the opposite direction. The dog planted his nose on my front right pocket where the gun was, leaving a nice wet nose print. The guy looked like he knew the dog found something but didn't say anything. I was at a Northern Virginia dog park a few years ago, and when I walked in with my dog, a hound of some sort broke out of it's pack to come stand by me and kept putting it's snout on my concealed carry. It wouldn't leave my side. The owners came over and said they just got it from a rescue; sob story about living in an outdoor kennel with other dogs, forced to run across hill and dale chasing game, no individual attention, . . . . Sounded like it was a hunting dog doing what it loved. I figured it picked up on the scent and hoped I would let it out of the park to chase the rabbits in the adjacent field. I was debating telling the new owners that if they wanted to keep the dog close, they should put some CLP on their clothes, but determined that wouldn't go over well. |
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Posted: 6/1/2021 12:13:10 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Too bad I'm not a cop, I'd like to protect my family too. Irrelevant tangent: I can't tell you how many times TSA swabbed my laptop with the explosives test and never got a positive, despite the fact it was saturated with gun powder from my reloading bench. |
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Posted: 6/1/2021 12:16:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So he got special treatment for being a cop? Shocker Was he also white? White privilege you know. |
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Posted: 6/1/2021 12:17:48 PM EDT
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I thought sworn officers are supposed to always be armed .... or did I just get that from a movie or some shit ??
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Posted: 6/1/2021 12:21:11 PM EDT
[#33]
People still go to malls? Yuck!
Ours looks like a DMZ, just a bunch of kids riding around on those Chinese Segway knockoffs. |
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Posted: 6/1/2021 12:23:12 PM EDT
[#34]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Yeah but when bullets start flying me and you get to tuck tail and run away. We also get to make more than $35k a year. So look on the bright side.  Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Cop gets to carry in mall off duty. I carry in mall and probably get told to leave or worse. Lol Yeah but when bullets start flying me and you get to tuck tail and run away. We also get to make more than $35k a year. So look on the bright side. Laughs in Broward County |
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Posted: 6/1/2021 12:29:15 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Gun sniffing dog? WTF...? More ouija dog bullshit, now being done by fucking rentacops? Maybe, but I stopped at a winery a few years ago and was standing at the tasting bar. A really old german shepard came up and sat down next to me, I reached down and petted him a bit but he wouldnt leave. The owner told me that he was a rescue dog that worked with the military and even saw a little Afghanistan action. He said he always knows who is carrying in his winery. Owner was behind the bar working the crowd...no way he ouija-ed the dog to walk up to me. He didn't care that I was armed, not one bit. |
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Posted: 6/1/2021 12:30:23 PM EDT
[#36]
Quote HistoryQuoted: If the mall has to employ a gun-sniffing canine, why the @&$# would your buddy be at that mall with his family? Yea, seems like the mall I would not to be around or in. |
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Posted: 6/1/2021 2:10:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Makes sense, but I thought they were trying to stop live bombs from being boarded on the plane. If it isn't just a feel good measure, it could be that gunpowder shows up well on X-rays but the more advanced explosives don't so the swab test is only needed for those. But it is probably just a feel good measure. |
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Posted: 6/1/2021 2:35:10 PM EDT
[#38]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I thought sworn officers are supposed to always be armed .... or did I just get that from a movie or some shit ?? Our policy is to always be armed. It's not a law. |
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Posted: 6/1/2021 4:04:04 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You are just another military fucker with combat experience, clearly not professional enough to be trusted with a firearm. Would it help prove his competence if he shot 8 bullets at a fishing boy and missed all 8 times? |
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Posted: 6/1/2021 4:24:26 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Would it help prove his competence if he shot 8 bullets at a fishing boy and missed all 8 times? No. Unacceptable. You need to demonstrate that you can hit people. The more, the better. Don't hold back. Paywall spoiler:Click To View Spoiler |
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Posted: 6/1/2021 4:42:41 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: No. Unacceptable. You need to demonstrate that you can hit people. The more, the better. Don't hold back. Paywall spoiler:Click To View Spoiler What? They got the shooter, didn't they? |
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Posted: 6/1/2021 5:59:14 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: GD has this weird thing with dogs/K9's. Yes, they can smell drugs and yes they can smell your ammunition. I get it. But I also personally know, and have seen video evidence more times than I can remember, that a dog is only as good and as trustworthy as their handler. It seems almost a foregone conclusion that if someone denies permission for a search of a vehicle a K9 will be called and *poof!* it'll "alert", thus giving probable cause to search. And if it doesn't alert on the first lap of the car, whaddya know, it sure will on the 2nd, 3rd, or 4th go-around. Then, when Officer Friendly tears the car apart and doesn't find anything, well, that's just damn proof that there surely was something there before, and that's why Fido alerted. Of course. |
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Posted: 6/1/2021 6:22:30 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If the mall has to employ a gun-sniffing canine, why the @&$# would your buddy be at that mall with his family? Smells like Birmingham, IMO................ 
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Posted: 6/1/2021 6:36:52 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: In the malls defense. How do you deter a certain element that brings lawlessness and guns into their building? The Thanksgiving shooting happened within feet of multiple uniformed cops. The whole mall was covered with cops that day. And yet, there was still a shooting. There is a HPD cop either on the property or very nearby at all times. Yet, they still have robberies, car jackings etc.. That last high profile shooting that killed the kid was after all the other measures that were put in place. Unless you ban teen to 40 yr old black males from the property, I don't have a good grasp on how to stop it. I'm actually shocked they are still in business. My issue is they effectively disarmed every "law abiding " customer between the parking garage and mall. As well as increasing the number of guns left in unattended vehicles. I go when my wife wants to go, period, and carry. If I get called out, we'll leave. |
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Posted: 6/1/2021 6:45:16 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: My wife's backpack was always searched after being swabbed, nine never did. Mine had been used for shooting and hunting, hers had never been around a gun. Not sure what on her bag kept testing positive or if it was just random searches My backpack didn’t get hit on by a airport K9, and I had just repurposed it from carrying all kinds of SWAT stuff that should have triggered it like munitions and flashbangs. Did not make me feel great at the time about how good of a dog it was. On the other hand, I had a buddy with a K9 that could absolutely find a gun (or whatever else) a suspect tossed in a field. Several other K9’s were good for it as well. Even the next day. Weak link in my opinion is usually the handler and how they train. Good dog can do a lot. A crummy dog, a badly trained dog, or crummy handler is near worthless and wastes your time. The trick is to figure out which it is early on in the incident, and also get rid of crummy dogs or handlers that cannot perform in a capable manner. My experience is basically 50% of new K9/new handler teams will do a great job, the other 50% need to fix something major before they really get squared away. So long as you can fix them, they can be pretty useful as well. But sometimes they can’t be fixed... |
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Posted: 6/1/2021 7:15:41 PM EDT
[#46]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Yeah but when bullets start flying me and you get to tuck tail and run away. We also get to make more than $35k a year. So look on the bright side. And shoot, kill, or maim indiscriminately with no consequences. So look on the bright side if you are not on the receiving end! |
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Posted: 6/1/2021 7:33:09 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Dogs are awesome and amazing and all that. I know their olfactory sense is multiple orders of magnitude more powerful than a Human's. Hell, there's dogs that can detect cancer. I get it. But I also personally know, and have seen video evidence more times than I can remember, that a dog is only as good and as trustworthy as their handler. It seems almost a foregone conclusion that if someone denies permission for a search of a vehicle a K9 will be called and *poof!* it'll "alert", thus giving probable cause to search. And if it doesn't alert on the first lap of the car, whaddya know, it sure will on the 2nd, 3rd, or 4th go-around. Then, when Officer Friendly tears the car apart and doesn't find anything, well, that's just damn proof that there surely was something there before, and that's why Fido alerted. Of course. And here we are, my buddy was armed and the K9 alerted on him.  |
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Posted: 6/1/2021 7:35:05 PM EDT
[#48]
Quote HistoryQuoted: My issue is they effectively disarmed every "law abiding " customer between the parking garage and mall. As well as increasing the number of guns left in unattended vehicles. I go when my wife wants to go, period, and carry. If I get called out, we'll leave. I don't disagree. |
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Posted: 6/1/2021 7:39:07 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: What would happen hypothetically if someone had some smokeless powder in their pocket and a small hole?? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: What the hell is it going to alert on? The smell of metal? "Sorry officer, I have my car keys right here" Carbon? "Sorry officer, I was at the range earlier" (and maybe he should maintain his firearm better if that was what it alerted on) CLP? "Sorry officer, it's my cologne" Gun powder. Bomb sniffing dogs. What would happen hypothetically if someone had some smokeless powder in their pocket and a small hole?? 
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Posted: 6/1/2021 7:40:35 PM EDT
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This is why I bleach my gun before I carry it every time.
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