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Posted: 6/29/2020 11:32:47 AM EDT
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People my age no no longer worry about bayonets.
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Posted: 6/29/2020 11:50:33 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Army did back in 2005, no idea if they still do. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted:  I dont think many, if any, know how to fight with a bayonet attached to their rifle. The marines might still teach it, but I dont think anyone else does.Eta: ok, one guy here does. Army did back in 2005, no idea if they still do. Nope. Replaced w/ equal rights for trannies training. Aimless, this is what I put together for the oldest girl a couple of years ago:  Attached FileETA: Oddly, shoots to the same POI @ 50 yds w/ bayonet fixed or unfixed. |
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Posted: 6/29/2020 12:02:58 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: First rule: Dispatch the enemy at great distance by means that do not involve you (air/artillery strike). Now, if you think it behooves you to be prepared for the time when things get close and sporty having something pointy on your main personal weapon could come in useful. IF. My, that's a big if!  If, you know how to use it, the bayonet might save you. If you don't know how to use one and you are not willing to put a bunch of time into learning how to use a long gun so equipped, just practice reloading efficiently, and invest in magazines. Some observations: I started in the Marine Corps with an M14. I think an M14 (or and M1) with an bayonet is a usable last ditch tool (see First Rule above). After I was issued an M16 I just never thought the bayonet would be much use (as a bayonet). Too light and awkward. You had to let go of the pistol grip and grab the stock to get a buttstroke (upward or forward). Also the M16 stock was slick (sweaty or wet hands) and not designed for a good grip. I know the Marines after my time that started with the M16 have no problem with it. It just never felt right to me. Like boxing, aggressiveness and combinations increase your chances of winning. If needs be, by a feint with the blade you can get your opponent to bob, weave or duck into your followup upward buttstroke. If that has failed to put him down, you are in perfect position for a forward buttstroke. CAUTION, when your rifle is over your shoulder, your guts are undefended. DO NOT just go pokey-pokey. If you do, you WILL come to regret it and wish you'd spent your money on ammo and mags instead. Pugil stick training is useful. You will learn what not to do and if you are the sort, it will put you in the right frame of mind. There is a book you might find interesting. Cold Steel by John Styers Fairbairn is worth reading. Closing with the enemy and destroying him is a Marine thing. All well and good. Getting close enough to stick 'em is always a coin toss. Doing so intentionally is a good way to get more than your feelings hurt. First Rule, learn it, love it, live it. Good thoughts. I always thought if you had to use the bayonet you were one notch above being up shit creek in the first place. I think if I had to fix the bayonet for real I might just decide to run instead. 
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Posted: 6/29/2020 12:03:28 PM EDT
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Posted: 6/29/2020 12:05:06 PM EDT
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I’m all set
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Posted: 6/29/2020 12:07:56 PM EDT
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Posted: 6/29/2020 12:13:44 PM EDT
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Quoted: Have we been too quick to abandon the bayonet now that we're all going to be hiding in our cellars with our 590s pointed up the stairs at the door to the kitchen as we hear crashing, banging, and shouts of "I found a copy of the Dukes Of Hazzard" and the sound of footfalls coming our way? FPNI, also you're the only one advocating that, Chilly Willy. I say light 'em up if they put one toe onto the perfectly manicured lawn.
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Posted: 6/29/2020 12:32:08 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Good thoughts. Quote HistoryQuoted: Good thoughts. I always thought if you had to use the bayonet you were one notch above being up shit creek in the first place. Some people go their whole life and never get a bayonet kill.
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Posted: 6/29/2020 12:37:17 PM EDT
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LOL!...Aimless, I love the way you introduced your topic here, but when I have to transition away from my rifle, it will be to a pistol. Makes me think, however. Do they make bayonets for a Glock 17?
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Posted: 6/29/2020 12:38:28 PM EDT
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I should modify my Mosin bayonet to fit an AR.
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Posted: 6/29/2020 12:40:13 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Aww. I can only muster Caliber .30, M1903A3, with Bayonet M1. Need to get the appropriate bayonet for my M1917...there's some "social distancing" for you. Might be a little awkward though.  Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: US Rifle, caliber .30, with bayonet M1903. Problem solved. Problem staying solved. Aww. I can only muster Caliber .30, M1903A3, with Bayonet M1. Need to get the appropriate bayonet for my M1917...there's some "social distancing" for you. Might be a little awkward though. Finally found one for my 1917......... now all the rifles have stabby appendages |
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Posted: 6/29/2020 12:41:33 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Do they make bayonets for a Glock 17?   Attached FileWouldn't seriously use it however. Better to beat them with the slide, because that novelty crap would likely rip off the frame if it experienced real torque. |
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Posted: 6/29/2020 12:42:27 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: LOL!...Aimless, I love the way you introduced your topic here, but when I have to transition away from my rifle, it will be to a pistol. Makes me think, however. Do they make bayonets for a Glock 17? |
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Posted: 6/29/2020 12:56:56 PM EDT
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Quoted: As the US spirals into a bad 1980s post apocalyptic movie have gunbros been too quick to abandon the bayonet? Used to be in the 70s and 80s every young dope had an m7 bayonet (although I've heard people who were actually in the military thought they were junk). Now I think with the m4 you either need a sbr or that weird extra long bayonet (can you still buy that?).? I'm not sure I own-er I meant owned-an AR that would accept a standard bayonet. Plus the newer big Bowie knife bayonets cost over $ 100+ and don't seem to be laying around in piles in army surplus stores. You can get something sensible like an esee or Becker for that kind of money. I don't even know what the difference between the m 9 and 10 are (is there a difference?). I'm not sure I've seen one of the newer bayonets outside of a gun show. Have we been too quick to abandon the bayonet now that we're all going to be hiding in our cellars with our 590s pointed up the stairs at the door to the kitchen as we hear crashing, banging, and shouts of "I found a copy of the Dukes Of Hazzard" and the sound of footfalls coming our way?      I have bayonets for the vast majority of my guns that can take bayonets. M1 Garands, Krags, Enfields, Mausers, AR-15s, AKs, etc.... Many have never been shot but many have been cut/stabbed. There is a psychological fear of the blade in people because of that. They have a subconscious instinct to fear the blade and fear the injury and pain that comes with and is associated with being cut/stabbed. Bayonets have always been deployed in the past with riot controlling troops for a reason and I have them for that same reason. |
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Posted: 6/29/2020 1:01:05 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: For sure. Arty is king. What if you just want to use a bayonet? Maybe there's minimal risk at the time? Some people go their whole life and never get a bayonet kill. Quote HistoryQuoted: For sure. Arty is king. What if you just want to use a bayonet? Maybe there's minimal risk at the time? Some people go their whole life and never get a bayonet kill. If there's minimal risk, seize the prisoner, silence him, and speed him back to the intel section where they might learn something that could save your ass. You can use the bayonet if he runs. Try not to kill him - the intel section will get him after the medics patch him up. Quoted: I should modify my Mosin bayonet to fit an AR. Terrible things may happen if you quarter Mosins and ARs together and allow them to breed. |
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Posted: 6/29/2020 1:01:08 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Aww. I can only muster Caliber .30, M1903A3, with Bayonet M1. Need to get the appropriate bayonet for my M1917...there's some "social distancing" for you. Might be a little awkward though. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: US Rifle, caliber .30, with bayonet M1903. Problem solved. Problem staying solved. Aww. I can only muster Caliber .30, M1903A3, with Bayonet M1. Need to get the appropriate bayonet for my M1917...there's some "social distancing" for you. Might be a little awkward though. The long bayonet is actually the M1905. 
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Posted: 6/29/2020 1:03:13 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If yours has a rail they do. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/13082/60707EF9-25B2-4157-BEE4-140630EA1789_jpe-1482031.JPG Wouldn't seriously use it however. Better to beat them with the slide, because that novelty crap would likely rip off the frame if it experienced real torque. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Do they make bayonets for a Glock 17? https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/13082/60707EF9-25B2-4157-BEE4-140630EA1789_jpe-1482031.JPG Wouldn't seriously use it however. Better to beat them with the slide, because that novelty crap would likely rip off the frame if it experienced real torque. That would make IWB CC a real bitch.
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Posted: 6/29/2020 1:13:19 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I dont think many, if any, know how to fight with a bayonet attached to their rifle. The marines might still teach it, but I dont think anyone else does.Eta: ok, one guy here does. I do. We learned it in 1969 and I got tips from a Guadalcanal Marine. |
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Posted: 6/29/2020 1:19:52 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If there's minimal risk, seize the prisoner, silence him, and speed him back to the intel section where they might learn something that could save your ass. You can use the bayonet if he runs. Try not to kill him - the intel section will get him after the medics patch him up.
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Posted: 6/29/2020 1:21:31 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If yours has a rail they do. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/13082/60707EF9-25B2-4157-BEE4-140630EA1789_jpe-1482031.JPG Wouldn't seriously use it however. Better to beat them with the slide, because that novelty crap would likely rip off the frame if it experienced real torque. Now that's pretty cool...or weird...or both. Thanks. |
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Posted: 6/29/2020 1:23:04 PM EDT
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Posted: 6/29/2020 1:23:33 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If yours has a rail they do. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/13082/60707EF9-25B2-4157-BEE4-140630EA1789_jpe-1482031.JPG Wouldn't seriously use it however. Better to beat them with the slide, because that novelty crap would likely rip off the frame if it experienced real torque. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Do they make bayonets for a Glock 17? https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/13082/60707EF9-25B2-4157-BEE4-140630EA1789_jpe-1482031.JPG Wouldn't seriously use it however. Better to beat them with the slide, because that novelty crap would likely rip off the frame if it experienced real torque.  |
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Posted: 6/29/2020 1:32:11 PM EDT
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Pike squares in up-state New York
What's the rally point? |
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Posted: 6/29/2020 1:41:22 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Fucking rambo and shit, I dont care about bayonets and bowie knifes 
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Posted: 6/29/2020 1:47:11 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Sound advice, but what if you know they possess no actionable intel? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: If there's minimal risk, seize the prisoner, silence him, and speed him back to the intel section where they might learn something that could save your ass. You can use the bayonet if he runs. Try not to kill him - the intel section will get him after the medics patch him up. Sound advice, but what if you know they possess no actionable intel? He might not have actionable intelligence for YOUR unit - but what he has to say, or even what he refuses to say, might be very enlightening for a different unit or your higher. He might look like a low-level insurgent to you - but his cousin could be commanding an enemy unit two valleys or two provinces over, and that could be very helpful. If you can capture an enemy, capture, don't kill. If you can shoot, shoot, don't use a bayonet, he might be a suicide bomber and you'll be in Valhalla by bomb blast w/o your balls instead of your bayonet kill. I'm not saying don't fix bayonets, the Brits apparently do so all the time - but to put yourself and your buddies at risk IOT use a bayonet seems rather selfish. If it's not risky, then it might be murder, and certainly a loss of intel. |
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Posted: 6/29/2020 2:19:16 PM EDT
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Unfinished project.
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Posted: 6/29/2020 2:35:48 PM EDT
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I think I only have one upper that will mount a regular one. I should buy one for it...
I do have AK-74, VZ-58, and AG42 bayonets. I also got the shit stabbed out of my ass with a civil war p1853 triangular bayonet when I was 9 or 10. I was at an estate auction and an acquaintance of my dad had bought one and stuck it through his belt( under a big gut) and was standing on a hay wagon. He jumped down next to where I was standing, and the damn bayonet was perfectly lined up to stab my butt cheek and run 3-4" through it. (Can't imagine how much it sucked for my dad to explain that to my mom, he'd dressed the wound fine, as a former medic, but my mom as a former ER doc, ripped it all off, and redid it). I still have scars on my ass from it. To @Miami_JBT 's point, I'm way more afraid of triangular bayonets than gunfire. |
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Posted: 6/29/2020 2:38:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That would make IWB CC a real bitch. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Do they make bayonets for a Glock 17? https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/13082/60707EF9-25B2-4157-BEE4-140630EA1789_jpe-1482031.JPG Wouldn't seriously use it however. Better to beat them with the slide, because that novelty crap would likely rip off the frame if it experienced real torque. That would make IWB CC a real bitch. It’d certainly make one rethink appendix carry. |
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Posted: 6/29/2020 2:45:03 PM EDT
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How do I use a bayonet with my suppressor
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Posted: 6/29/2020 2:52:30 PM EDT
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Posted: 6/29/2020 3:22:18 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Fucking rambo and shit, I dont care about bayonets and bowie knifes https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/162/download-357750.jpg Is it because he lives on...  Attached File |
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Posted: 6/29/2020 3:31:45 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: How do I use a bayonet with my suppressor   Attached File TAB Episode 33: M1903 and Maxim Silencer (Skip to 6:40 for bayonet info.) |
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Posted: 6/29/2020 3:44:03 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That's the exact question US Army Ordnance was asking in 1918. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/13082/bayo_Maxim_jpg-1482271.JPG  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vqVSCI9q_Nc(Skip to 6:40 for bayonet info.) Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: How do I use a bayonet with my suppressor https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/13082/bayo_Maxim_jpg-1482271.JPG https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vqVSCI9q_Nc(Skip to 6:40 for bayonet info.) I've never forgiven my father for not buying me a Maxim silencer for my 10th birthday. 
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Posted: 6/29/2020 3:55:14 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I really like the one that came with the Mosin Nagant rifle. Looks like a really long flat heat screwdriver. I had to use it for a screwdriver one time, nothing else was long enough. A bayonet fits a mid length AR just fine. |
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Posted: 6/29/2020 3:59:58 PM EDT
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Did someone say Bayonet?
 Arcelin Mousqueton: An 1850s Breechloader with a Ludicrous Bayonet Start at 8:30.  Edit: Here's a screenshot for you lazy folk.  Attached File |
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Posted: 6/29/2020 4:02:58 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I had to use it for a screwdriver one time, nothing else was long enough. A bayonet fits a mid length AR just fine. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I really like the one that came with the Mosin Nagant rifle. Looks like a really long flat heat screwdriver. I had to use it for a screwdriver one time, nothing else was long enough. A bayonet fits a mid length AR just fine.
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Posted: 6/29/2020 4:12:16 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: @Attman, I kept one for that after I sold all my Nagants. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: I really like the one that came with the Mosin Nagant rifle. Looks like a really long flat heat screwdriver. I had to use it for a screwdriver one time, nothing else was long enough. A bayonet fits a mid length AR just fine. 
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Posted: 6/29/2020 4:42:37 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If things get "sporty" I might have to break out my Garand and use this bad boy. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/42994/bayonetlargeonpaper_jpg-1482224.JPG I owned one. Paid $25 for it. Then I sold it for $50 for beer money. I didn't know any better. |
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Posted: 6/29/2020 6:55:32 PM EDT
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Quote History |
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Posted: 6/29/2020 7:20:30 PM EDT
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Got it covered. Bayonets for the AR’s, AK’s, Garands, 590, and M1 carbine. I can get all kinds of stabby!
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Posted: 6/29/2020 7:27:50 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: People should learn the riddle of steel in high school..... Agreed! Along with "That Which is Good"... And if you disagree, then may Crom send you straight to HELL!!! @cwm1150 |
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Posted: 6/29/2020 7:30:15 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: IMHO a bayonet on a shotgun makes a lot more sense than say on a AR or AK. The same way they made sense on more limited capacity arms like MLs, single shots, bolt actions, and Garands. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/88145/DSCN0115__2__JPG-1481725.JPG Hard to find anything that says "YOU'LL BE SORRY IF YOU FnCK with ME" like a 12 gauge with a Bayonet... |
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Posted: 6/29/2020 7:34:06 PM EDT
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Posted: 6/29/2020 9:21:42 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Agreed! Along with "That Which is Good"... And if you disagree, then may Crom send you straight to HELL!!! @cwm1150 Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: People should learn the riddle of steel in high school..... Agreed! Along with "That Which is Good"... And if you disagree, then may Crom send you straight to HELL!!! @cwm1150  Crom, Crom, Crom |
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Posted: 6/29/2020 9:30:58 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Is there a picatinny QD bayonet attachment? Cause there should be if there aint.    
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Posted: 6/29/2020 9:49:17 PM EDT
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That Guiselle thing is butt-stupid
just make a bayonet that attaches directly to the handguard |
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Posted: 6/29/2020 9:52:37 PM EDT
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What would Dieudonne Saive do?
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Posted: 6/29/2020 9:55:13 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I dont think many, if any, know how to fight with a bayonet attached to their rifle. The marines might still teach it, but I dont think anyone else does.Eta: ok, one guy here does. Thrust with the pointy end? It's not rocket science. Watch some youtube videos and learn what makes the grass grow green. |
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Posted: 6/30/2020 5:23:04 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Thrust with the pointy end? It's not rocket science. Watch some youtube videos and learn what makes the grass grow green. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I dont think many, if any, know how to fight with a bayonet attached to their rifle. The marines might still teach it, but I dont think anyone else does.Eta: ok, one guy here does. Thrust with the pointy end? It's not rocket science. Watch some youtube videos and learn what makes the grass grow green. Um,,,yeah, NO. Watch all the golf games you want. You will NOT learn to drive for show or how or to putt for dough. Nobody learns stance, grip and trigger control by watching somebody else do it. You have to teach both the mind AND the body. Just thrusting works for some things in a man's life.  It does NOT work for the effective use of a bayonet equipped long gun. If all you know how to do poke at your enemy, and said enemy has been hand to hand combat trained, you are almost certainly going to be in a big world of hurt. The bad news is that it's going to hurt a lot. The good news is the pain will probably not last for very long.Having read through this thread, one possible positive of modern use of the bayonet does occur to me. Repeating the First Rule; First rule: Dispatch the enemy at great distance by means that do not involve you (air/artillery strike). Learn it, Love it, Live it. A corollary to the First Rule is: You are far more likely to survive engaging the enemy at 500 yards with well placed single rifle shots than you are engaging the enemy at 50 yards with a machinegun. Intentionally engaging an enemy at 1 yard with a bayonet is a very bad plan. Some posters have touched on it. Shock value. A bayonet needs no explanation. People with no military training catch on right quick. If you look at pictures from the '60s, NG with bayonets fixed was a common theme. Today, not so much. Therefore, suddenly confronting your enemy with a bayonet might cause them a WTF moment giving you a short time window to end the fight. |
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Posted: 6/30/2020 5:40:13 PM EDT
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