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Posted: 8/13/2023 4:55:11 PM EDT
[#1]
Looks like 2 ejections
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Posted: 8/13/2023 4:55:19 PM EDT
[#2]
Trainer of some sort? 2 chutes popped.
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Posted: 8/13/2023 4:56:52 PM EDT
[#3]
Mig-23UB
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Posted: 8/13/2023 4:58:11 PM EDT
[#4]
Hope no one was hurt. Tag for more info
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Posted: 8/13/2023 4:59:40 PM EDT
[#5]
Crashed into an apartment complex.
Plenty of videos. https://www.clickondetroit.com/news/local/2023/08/13/jet-crashes-during-thunder-over-michigan-show-at-willow-run-airport-in-ypsilanti/ |
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Posted: 8/13/2023 4:59:40 PM EDT
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Hmm, I have a friend on Facebook in Michigan who posted pics of himself next to that jet.
He posted this a few hours ago. Hope he checks in later.  Attached File |
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Posted: 8/13/2023 5:00:36 PM EDT
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Posted: 8/13/2023 5:01:09 PM EDT
[#8]
Ukrainians shoot it down?
[Waited to see if the pilots were OK] |
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Posted: 8/13/2023 5:03:10 PM EDT
[#9]
You must think in Russian. |
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Posted: 8/13/2023 5:03:38 PM EDT
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Posted: 8/13/2023 5:03:47 PM EDT
[#11]
https://www.fox2detroit.com/video/1263343
"They both just ejected outta that bitch"! |
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Posted: 8/13/2023 5:04:16 PM EDT
[#12]
I wonder how many died in the apartment complex?
I would not want to be those pilots if they killed others.  Fuckin shitty Russian jets, but they have good ejection seats.
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Posted: 8/13/2023 5:06:17 PM EDT
[#13]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Crashed into an apartment complex. Plenty of videos. https://www.clickondetroit.com/news/local/2023/08/13/jet-crashes-during-thunder-over-michigan-show-at-willow-run-airport-in-ypsilanti/ Looks like an apartment complex parking lot. Hopefully no one hurt on the ground 
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Posted: 8/13/2023 5:07:01 PM EDT
[#14]
So many questions.
Aircraft looked to be gliding. Maybe engine dead? Plane was sinking but looked to be controllable, I mean it wasn't in a flat spin or stalled out or any thing. I wonder what happened. |
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Posted: 8/13/2023 5:07:24 PM EDT
[#15]
 Plane crashes at Thunder Over Michigan air show at Willow Run Airport |
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Posted: 8/13/2023 5:09:32 PM EDT
[#16]
Wow, hope nobody died or was injured.
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Posted: 8/13/2023 5:10:40 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So many questions. Aircraft looked to be gliding. Maybe engine dead? Plane was sinking but looked to be controllable, I mean it wasn't in a flat spin or stalled out or any thing. I wonder what happened. Probably a whole bunch of red lights that said time to go. 
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Posted: 8/13/2023 5:11:56 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So many questions. Aircraft looked to be gliding. Maybe engine dead? Plane was sinking but looked to be controllable, I mean it wasn't in a flat spin or stalled out or any thing. I wonder what happened. Single engine jet. Still flying straight in a slight dive. Possible causes: Engine malfunction. Loss of hydraulics. Loss of flight control. Fire in cockpit. |
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Posted: 8/13/2023 5:14:46 PM EDT
[#19]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Single engine jet. Still flying straight in a slight dive. Possible causes: Engine malfunction. Loss of hydraulics. Loss of flight control. Fire in cockpit. I generally agree. But, never rule out the most common cause of aircraft accidents and incidents. |
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Posted: 8/13/2023 5:15:03 PM EDT
[#20]
Quote HistoryQuoted: So many questions. Aircraft looked to be gliding. Maybe engine dead? Plane was sinking but looked to be controllable, I mean it wasn't in a flat spin or stalled out or any thing. I wonder what happened. Have to wait for blancolirio.  https://www.youtube.com/@blancolirio/videos |
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Posted: 8/13/2023 5:15:24 PM EDT
[#21]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Wow, hope nobody died or was injured. Several years ago an F18 crashed from losing both engines right after take off from Oceana in Virginia Beach. Crashed right into an apartment complex, both pilots ejected. It’s a miracle no one was killed. Hopefully this will be the same. |
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Posted: 8/13/2023 5:15:58 PM EDT
[#22]
Yikes.
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Posted: 8/13/2023 5:16:06 PM EDT
[#23]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I generally agree. But, never rule out the most common cause of aircraft accidents and incidents. What, in your opinion are the most "common cause of aircraft accidents and incidents"? |
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Posted: 8/13/2023 5:17:56 PM EDT
[#24]
 MiG 23 Walkaround Tour Russian Airplane |
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Posted: 8/13/2023 5:17:57 PM EDT
[#25]
Isn't this the only one in private US hands?
Prayers out. |
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Posted: 8/13/2023 5:18:20 PM EDT
[#26]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Several years ago an F18 crashed from losing both engines right after take off from Oceana in Virginia Beach. Crashed right into an apartment complex, both pilots ejected. It’s a miracle no one was killed. Hopefully this will be the same. Dual engine failure. |
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Posted: 8/13/2023 5:18:49 PM EDT
[#27]
Interesting
Hope aircrew are ok Was this a part of the show, or after waivered airspace? Anyone know the minimum aircrew for this jet? |
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Posted: 8/13/2023 5:18:52 PM EDT
[#28]
Hopefully all on the ground are ok
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Posted: 8/13/2023 5:19:15 PM EDT
[#29]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I generally agree. But, never rule out the most common cause of aircraft accidents and incidents. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Single engine jet. Still flying straight in a slight dive. Possible causes: Engine malfunction. Loss of hydraulics. Loss of flight control. Fire in cockpit. I generally agree. But, never rule out the most common cause of aircraft accidents and incidents. “Hey Jim, what does this lever do?” |
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Posted: 8/13/2023 5:19:55 PM EDT
[#30]
There was a promo video out recently saying it was rare to see one fly in the US. |
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Posted: 8/13/2023 5:20:35 PM EDT
[#31]
Quote HistoryQuoted: What, in your opinion are the most "common cause of aircraft accidents and incidents"? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I generally agree. But, never rule out the most common cause of aircraft accidents and incidents. What, in your opinion are the most "common cause of aircraft accidents and incidents"? Pilot error? |
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Posted: 8/13/2023 5:20:38 PM EDT
[#32]
 Looks like no one was hurt, thankfully. |
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Posted: 8/13/2023 5:23:14 PM EDT
[#33]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Isn't this the only one in private US hands? Prayers out. I think you are thinking of the 29, I think there are or were 3-4 of the 23's in private hands in the US.  America's Only Private, Airworthy MiG-29 Fulcrum-B |
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Posted: 8/13/2023 5:23:42 PM EDT
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I had a client who owned storage units - they had cinder block walls (but in all honesty, since the sides were garage doors, there was only 1 cinder block all down the center, the others were side dividers). A US Air Force jet crashed into the complex - I think it went through 3 rows of units.
I don't think he ever got angry about it. Most of his renters were Air Force personnel, and the Air Force paid him well for the damage. Hell, he eventually ended up incorporating it into his company logo as a good luck symbol. --- Anyway, unless it augured in, even if it struck in the parking lot - good chance some it went through some apartments, given the case I knew about had 3 cinder block walls of ballistic penetration. |
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Posted: 8/13/2023 5:24:57 PM EDT
[#35]
Tag for updates
Prayers for those on the ground |
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Posted: 8/13/2023 5:25:05 PM EDT
[#36]
Quote HistoryQuoted: So many questions. Aircraft looked to be gliding. Maybe engine dead? Plane was sinking but looked to be controllable, I mean it wasn't in a flat spin or stalled out or any thing. I wonder what happened. a flogger engine smokes like hell, and I don' see any engine smoke |
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Posted: 8/13/2023 5:25:07 PM EDT
[#37]
Glad noone is hurt.
Flogger's are single engine, and have the glide capabilities of a brick. Coupled with their somewhat 'tricky' handling even when everything is working, not surprised the pilots got out rather than tried to ride it back. One of the books I have talks about the USAF 'Red Eagles' program, and the biggest one that crops up was the Flogger. Pilots hated it, groundcrews worked miracles to keep em flying, and even with the best pilots behind the stick they still had a bunch of accidents and losses. IIRC, a USAF General got killed in one, which lead to a hell of a coverup and policy change. |
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Posted: 8/13/2023 5:27:09 PM EDT
[#38]
Quote HistoryQuoted: What, in your opinion are the most "common cause of aircraft accidents and incidents"? I got this.. It’s between the stick and the seat. |
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Posted: 8/13/2023 5:27:55 PM EDT
[#39]
I live relatively close, glad it was a P-51 tha buzzed over my house this morning and not a Mig..........
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Posted: 8/13/2023 5:29:14 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Isn't this the only one in private US hands? Prayers out. according to wiki, the FAA says there are 11 privately owned MiG-23s in the U.S. |
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Posted: 8/13/2023 5:29:19 PM EDT
[#41]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Pilot error? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: I generally agree. But, never rule out the most common cause of aircraft accidents and incidents. What, in your opinion are the most "common cause of aircraft accidents and incidents"? Pilot error? It was. Now it's The Jab. |
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Posted: 8/13/2023 5:33:59 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Isn't this the only one in private US hands? Prayers out. N23UB - Crash Owned by private party Texas N5106E N51734 Owned by MIG23-27LLC and MIG23-05LLC Florida N844MG Deregistered 2015 Owned by FloggerTown USA OKC, OK N223ML Deregistered 2018 Owned by MACH 2 INC Florida |
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Posted: 8/13/2023 5:35:27 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I wonder how many died in the apartment complex? I would not want to be those pilots if they killed others. Fuckin shitty Russian jets, but they have good ejection seats.  Attached File |
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Posted: 8/13/2023 5:36:15 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: according to wiki, the FAA says there are 11 privately owned MiG-23s in the U.S. According to the FAA there are/were 5. |
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Posted: 8/13/2023 5:37:17 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I wonder how many died in the apartment complex? I would not want to be those pilots if they killed others. Fuckin shitty Russian jets, but they have good ejection seats. NO INJURIES ON THE GROUND REPORTED! Good news |
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Posted: 8/13/2023 5:37:18 PM EDT
[#46]
Ejections sounded louder than the engine noise.
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Posted: 8/13/2023 5:38:11 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: According to the FAA there are/were 5. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: according to wiki, the FAA says there are 11 privately owned MiG-23s in the U.S. According to the FAA there are/were 5. footnote info is old |
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Posted: 8/13/2023 5:40:08 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: N23UB - Crash Owned by private party Texas N5106E N51734 Owned by MIG23-27LLC and MIG23-05LLC Florida N844MG Deregistered 2015 Owned by FloggerTown USA OKC, OK N223ML Deregistered 2018 Owned by MACH 2 INC Florida Thank you. And thank God for no casualties. |
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Posted: 8/13/2023 5:40:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Ejections sounded louder than the engine noise. Maybe there was no engine noise? 
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Posted: 8/13/2023 5:42:09 PM EDT
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