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Posted: 8/13/2023 5:48:52 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I wonder how many died in the apartment complex? I would not want to be those pilots if they killed others.  Fuckin shitty Russian jets, but they have good ejection seats. nobody in their right mind would sit on a russian flogger seat looks like I was remembering wrong |
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Posted: 8/13/2023 5:51:11 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Dual engine failure. Well, it's a single engine jet.. so EXTRA not good. |
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Posted: 8/13/2023 5:52:08 PM EDT
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That dude just started flying it on the airshow circuit this year, it was at Oshkosh a week ago. Believe it was the same jet previously owned local to me in Delaware by Joe Gano. I think there is another one or possibly two he got.
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Posted: 8/13/2023 5:52:59 PM EDT
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When I saw the video, I immediately thought "That looks like the kind of flying we see from the Russian crap". Then I saw it was a MIG. LOL.
Hope everyone is okay. |
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Posted: 8/13/2023 5:55:28 PM EDT
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Looked like a third, smaller chute in one of the videos.
Are Mig-23s hobbit capable? |
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Posted: 8/13/2023 5:57:18 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Well it's a single engine jet.. so not good. I was letting the F-18 poster know it was a dual engine failure. I know the MiG-29 is a single engine aircraft. |
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Posted: 8/13/2023 5:58:07 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Looked like a third, smaller chute in one of the videos. Are Mig-23s hobbit capable? Probably the drogue on the seat to pull it away from the pilot. |
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Posted: 8/13/2023 5:58:09 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The floggers the air force flew were retrofitted with US ejection systems.. nobody in their right mind would sit on a russian flogger seat Wow, didn’t know that |
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Posted: 8/13/2023 5:58:20 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Glad noone is hurt. Flogger's are single engine, and have the glide capabilities of a brick. Coupled with their somewhat 'tricky' handling even when everything is working, not surprised the pilots got out rather than tried to ride it back. One of the books I have talks about the USAF 'Red Eagles' program, and the biggest one that crops up was the Flogger. Pilots hated it, groundcrews worked miracles to keep em flying, and even with the best pilots behind the stick they still had a bunch of accidents and losses. IIRC, a USAF General got killed in one, which lead to a hell of a coverup and policy change. Not the Red Eagles. General Bond was killed, going to fast for ejection. |
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Posted: 8/13/2023 6:00:46 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I was letting the F-18 poster know it was a dual engine failure. I know the MiG-29 is a single engine aircraft. ??? Mig 23= 1 engine ( accident aircraft) Mig 29= 2 engines. |
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Posted: 8/13/2023 6:03:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The floggers the air force flew were retrofitted with US ejection systems.. nobody in their right mind would sit on a russian flogger seat I may be wrong, but I think they had the original seats in them. I was told the Russians made good seats. |
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Posted: 8/13/2023 6:05:04 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You must think in Russian. Sadly, I understood that comment. I didn't bother looking for the meme [I understood that comment] as what was once worthy, is apparently, now old, and gone, or more than 20 pages deep.  |
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Posted: 8/13/2023 6:05:17 PM EDT
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Buddy is there, by I-94 now.
I working at DTW and have no first hand input |
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Posted: 8/13/2023 6:05:50 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I was letting the F-18 poster know it was a dual engine failure. I know the MiG-29 is a single engine aircraft. 
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Posted: 8/13/2023 6:07:03 PM EDT
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Per the N number, that aircraft was at Sun-n-Fun this year. I had a close walk around of it. Was not impressed by lots of little things that needed attention. Also registered as a fixed wing single engine aircraft, although MIG-23 are variable geometry wings.
That type of incident will kill air shows. Just like the Leeward accident doomed Reno air races There are two MIG-23s in Lakeland on the SE corner of the airport waiting restoration, probably by Draken International. |
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Posted: 8/13/2023 6:07:34 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Maybe there was no engine noise?  The engine sounds like whales seaman Beaumont; whales. |
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Posted: 8/13/2023 6:13:30 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I may be wrong, but I think they had the original seats in them. I was told the Russians made good seats. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: The floggers the air force flew were retrofitted with US ejection systems.. nobody in their right mind would sit on a russian flogger seat I may be wrong, but I think they had the original seats in them. I was told the Russians made good seats. when I flew against the Red Eagles in the mid 1980s, I was told by one of the Pilots that they were retrofitted, I assumed he meant all of them. I have never heard anybody claim they had good seats, but although I have met russian fighter pilots we didnt talk about seats. I have the Red Eagles book, maybe it is mentioned in that. |
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Posted: 8/13/2023 6:25:29 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I was letting the F-18 poster know it was a dual engine failure. I know the MiG-29 is a single engine aircraft. /media/mediaFiles/sharedAlbum/simpsons_nelson_haha2-36.jpg |
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Posted: 8/13/2023 6:29:14 PM EDT
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Posted: 8/13/2023 6:30:25 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: when I flew against the Red Eagles in the mid 1980s, I was told by one of the Pilots that they were retrofitted, I assumed he meant all of them. I have never heard anybody claim they had good seats, but although I have met russian fighter pilots we didnt talk about seats. I have the Red Eagles book, maybe it is mentioned in that. I'ts possible they had retrofitted seats, I've only been around the Red Hat jets. |
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Posted: 8/13/2023 6:30:40 PM EDT
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Posted: 8/13/2023 6:34:24 PM EDT
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Posted: 8/13/2023 6:34:38 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Per the N number, that aircraft was at Sun-n-Fun this year. I had a close walk around of it. Was not impressed by lots of little things that needed attention. Also registered as a fixed wing single engine aircraft, although MIG-23 are variable geometry wings. That type of incident will kill air shows. Just like the Leeward accident doomed Reno air races There are two MIG-23s in Lakeland on the SE corner of the airport waiting restoration, probably by Draken International. |
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Posted: 8/13/2023 6:35:46 PM EDT
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Not a pilot. From the video, It seems like they could have stayed with the jet a bit longer to direct it to an area that was not an apartment complex? Again, I have no experience flying, but it did not seem out of control to me. I'm not talking shit, I'm trying to understand.
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Posted: 8/13/2023 6:36:55 PM EDT
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Posted: 8/13/2023 6:40:15 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Not a pilot. From the video, It seems like they could have stayed with the jet a bit longer to direct it to an area that was not an apartment complex? Again, I have no experience flying, but it did not seem out of control to me. I'm not talking shit, I'm trying to understand. They were pretty low. Did you see how close they were to the ground before they got a full chute? |
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Posted: 8/13/2023 6:41:39 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'ts possible they had retrofitted seats, I've only been around the Red Hat jets. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: when I flew against the Red Eagles in the mid 1980s, I was told by one of the Pilots that they were retrofitted, I assumed he meant all of them. I have never heard anybody claim they had good seats, but although I have met russian fighter pilots we didnt talk about seats. I have the Red Eagles book, maybe it is mentioned in that. I'ts possible they had retrofitted seats, I've only been around the Red Hat jets. I can' find anything that mentions it, and it was told to me verbally, so maybe it is wrong. I cant imagine the red eagles jets were that different than the red hat jets, so maybe I am remembering wrong or maybe it was planned, now I am starting to doubt myself, it was a long time ago. eta: looks like I remember wrong. I hate that. this link about the book Red Eagles says they used the original russian seats https://travelforaircraft.wordpress.com/2013/10/19/red-eagles-write/ @ammosdad1 maybe at the time they were talking about retrofitting them, I dont jnow |
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Posted: 8/13/2023 6:43:00 PM EDT
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The canopy on this Mig blew off at OshKosh a few weeks ago. It was also grounded temporarily (I think) because the ejection seats won't work properly unless both seats are occupied and they wouldn't allow 2 people to fly
Edit-I think I'm wrong about it being grounded due to the seats |
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Posted: 8/13/2023 6:46:44 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The canopy on this Mig blew off at OshKosh a few weeks ago. It was also grounded temporarily (I think) because the ejection seats won't work properly unless both seats are occupied and they wouldn't allow 2 people to fly I thought it was an L39 Albatros that lost the canopy at Oshkosh... unless it happened twice. |
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Posted: 8/13/2023 6:47:17 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: What, in your opinion are the most "common cause of aircraft accidents and incidents"? Seriously?????...... |
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Posted: 8/13/2023 6:49:51 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Mig-23UB |
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Posted: 8/13/2023 6:50:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So many questions. Aircraft looked to be gliding. Maybe engine dead? Plane was sinking but looked to be controllable, I mean it wasn't in a flat spin or stalled out or any thing. I wonder what happened. |
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Posted: 8/13/2023 6:50:43 PM EDT
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I was in Ypsilanti this afternoon and was watching the planes, didn't see that.
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Posted: 8/13/2023 6:53:34 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Wow, didn’t know that Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: The floggers the air force flew were retrofitted with US ejection systems.. nobody in their right mind would sit on a russian flogger seat Wow, didn’t know that I was remembering wrong. I hate it when that happens https://travelforaircraft.wordpress.com/2013/10/19/red-eagles-write/ @FlyNavy75 |
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Posted: 8/13/2023 6:54:57 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Single engine jet. Still flying straight in a slight dive. Possible causes: Engine malfunction. Loss of hydraulics. Loss of flight control. Fire in cockpit. Looks like it started a turn to the right and then the control surfaces froze. |
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Posted: 8/13/2023 7:01:13 PM EDT
[#36]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I may be wrong, but I think they had the original seats in them. I was told the Russians made good seats. |
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Posted: 8/13/2023 7:01:40 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: They were pretty low. Did you see how close they were to the ground before they got a full chute? Yep. They did pretty good. Missed the freeway, and Belleville Lake which would be crowded with boat traffic today. A Belleville apartment building would likely result in 10's of dollars of damage, and thousands saved in Section 8 dollars. I was going to go check it out today, but fell asleep in a hammock. Oh well, I don't care to visit that area often. Not our best.  Attached File |
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Posted: 8/13/2023 7:05:50 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: At first glance I thought it was an Aardvark. Don't think there are any of them still flying because. 1. They would be really fucking expensive to keep in the air. 2. Some of their parts might wind up in Iran. I think they use the same engine as their old F-14s. |
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Posted: 8/13/2023 7:12:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: First the engine explodes, next 2 pops are the ejections. I don't know anything except by watching at 0.5x speed, but I don't think it was the engine. As another poster mentioned, it might have been a charge to get the seat away from the rear-seater, or (and this is my theory) it might have been a charge to get the entire canopy off, before both ejection seats fire (still also back then front after a delay). Do the seats have to have anything except a drag chute to pull them away from the pilot? 
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Posted: 8/13/2023 7:12:49 PM EDT
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 Video shows fire, smoke after jet crashes during Michigan air show |
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Posted: 8/13/2023 7:12:58 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I thought it was an L39 Albatros that lost the canopy at Oshkosh... unless it happened twice. Happened twice |
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Posted: 8/13/2023 7:14:20 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Not a pilot. From the video, It seems like they could have stayed with the jet a bit longer to direct it to an area that was not an apartment complex? Again, I have no experience flying, but it did not seem out of control to me. I'm not talking shit, I'm trying to understand. It looks like the flight controls were unresponsive. The plane is slightly banking port/left through the entirety of the vids. |
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Posted: 8/13/2023 7:15:04 PM EDT
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Posted: 8/13/2023 7:16:42 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: They were pretty low. Did you see how close they were to the ground before they got a full chute? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Not a pilot. From the video, It seems like they could have stayed with the jet a bit longer to direct it to an area that was not an apartment complex? Again, I have no experience flying, but it did not seem out of control to me. I'm not talking shit, I'm trying to understand. They were pretty low. Did you see how close they were to the ground before they got a full chute? yeah this. The last chute opened pretty low. Probably fo'd as long as they could fo. Then decided to fo. |
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Posted: 8/13/2023 7:17:33 PM EDT
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My pic of the fireball. Just looked up in time to see the jet impact and catch a glimpse of the chutes disappearing. Took me a second to swing up the iphone and snap a pic.
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Posted: 8/13/2023 7:18:21 PM EDT
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Posted: 8/13/2023 7:21:46 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I think you are thinking of the 29, I think there are or were 3-4 of the 23's in private hands in the US.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yFexYme5EqwAlways thought the Fulcrum was a sexy looking airplane… |
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Posted: 8/13/2023 7:28:10 PM EDT
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Engine sounded good. Must have lost all hydraulic power.
 Pilots eject from jet before it crashes at Michigan air show |
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Posted: 8/13/2023 7:29:24 PM EDT
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Back in 2016, he Navy's Blue Angels lost a plane and pilot in a crash during practice for an air show in Smyrna, TN. The pilot rode the plane into the ground, crashing into a field, rather than nearby apartments.
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Posted: 8/13/2023 7:35:33 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Back in 2016, he Navy's Blue Angels lost a plane and pilot in a crash during practice for an air show in Smyrna, TN. The pilot rode the plane into the ground, crashing into a field, rather than nearby apartments. I remember that. Pilot ejected, but the fireball disintegrated the chute. |
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