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Posted: 10/22/2021 2:38:37 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Remember the whole “Gray State” film drama? I was an extra and provided props and guns. As they were going CGI with effects, no blanks were involved. The AKs and ARs I brought still had their bolt carriers but I checked chambers and removed the bolts beforehand. Crowley and some of the other guys running the show brought their ARs. At one point after filming some “rolling firefight” scenes, a a live 223 round was found on the ground. So at some point, someone was running around with a hot rifle and eventually racked it, oblivious to having cleared a live round. Scary that it’s so easy to be stupid…. Gray State deaths were eerie AF. |
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Posted: 10/22/2021 2:39:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You are another posting feels and not facts. When corrected you run away. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Really? You've never seen a movie where actors shoot guns at other actors? Ever? Have you been living under a rock your entire life? There's no need to point it directly at the other actor. Shoot beside him, the camera can't tell the difference. There seems to be a concerted effort by a few to ignore the facts and defend him. I have no idea why. Wait for the facts before you absolve the lead actor and producer of the film that just shot someone on set and hired a cheap armorer. And yet you'll not wait for the facts and condemn solely because of his political stance. Literally the same shit that the leftists you loathe do. Beautiful irony. Bingo. You are another posting feels and not facts. When corrected you run away. Fact is simple. He was playing with a loaded gun that he thought was unloaded and shot his girl and his bud. Dumbass and negligent. |
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Posted: 10/22/2021 2:40:00 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Well, well. Sounds like Baldwin's had some time to get a story together.
Baldwin hires a low cost unsafe local for a job involving firearms for a movie Baldwin is producing and when the low cost unsafe local behaves like a low cost unsafe local it makes Baldwin a “tragic victim.”  |
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Posted: 10/22/2021 2:40:20 PM EDT
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You know, this might be an opportunity. If this raises enough concern around safety maybe some kind of 'certification' could be made a thing, forcing any actors using firearms in movies to take regular training and MAYBE that could change some minds on the left cost.
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Posted: 10/22/2021 2:40:49 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: lol Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: No, it was a real gun that should never be pointed at anyone except those who you intend to shoot. lol What's funny? |
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Posted: 10/22/2021 2:42:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Well, well. Sounds like Baldwin's had some time to get a story together.
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Posted: 10/22/2021 2:43:00 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Of course, and I’m the same way. But a lot of actors are clueless when it comes to guns and just trust the armorer/props people. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I'm predicting nothing happens to AB and the Amorer and 1st AD are the ones going down. Of course. Here is what happens when a gun comes to set. Posting again since it’s buried a handful of pages back. If they followed the correct protocol none of this would have happen. Whenever a real gun is being used, the armorer brings it to set and shows the 1st AD it’s cold by usually shinning a flashlight into the chamber. They will invite anyone to check it as well (I usually try to see for myself that’s it’s clear). Then before rolling the 1st AD will call to make the weapon hot. Once loaded the armorer will call out that the weapon is hot, the 1st AD will echo this call out. Then the weapon will be handed off to the actor. The 1st AD will call rolling and “fire in the hole” Action is called, gun is fired. Cut is called out, nobody enters the set until the armorer takes control of the firearm, clears it, calls out cold weapon. As far as guns being pointed at someone, usually it is never pointed directly at anyone but if it must be pointed at someone, they will use blanks that are not full loads such as 1/8, 1/4, 1/2, 3/4 loads. One example I’ve seen was a gun was used to shoot someones handcuffs off, they used 1/8 loads which werent even powerful enough to cycle the pistol. Hope this explains it. In my experience, whenever firearms are on set it is taken very seriously and safely. I don't care what anyone says, if I am the actor that is instructed to point a firearm at someone else and pull the trigger, I will want to verify myself that the gun is clear and not loaded. Of course, and I’m the same way. But a lot of actors are clueless when it comes to guns and just trust the armorer/props people. Just because a lot of them are negligent does not excuse someone when they shoot somebody. Ok, so there are alot of negligent actors that get away with it...this one didn't. |
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Posted: 10/22/2021 2:43:07 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Screenname?  Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted:
So Baldwin hired some low cost local that didn't know what they were doing for his movie, the low cost local that didn't know what they were doing fucked up, and some people here want to to absolve Baldwin when he was the one that hired the low cost local that didn't know what they were doing? I left Santa Fe two days ago. Wasn't me. |
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Posted: 10/22/2021 2:43:50 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Well, well. Sounds like Baldwin's had some time to get a story together.
If that's true, that's a real unprofessional WTF screwup. Why on earth would you go and shoot live rounds out of a gun that's still being used as a prop in a movie that's still filming? You only own 4 guns, they're all being used as props in the movie, but you wanted to do a little plinking?  WTF |
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Posted: 10/22/2021 2:44:27 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: What's funny? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: No, it was a real gun that should never be pointed at anyone except those who you intend to shoot. lol What's funny? Nothing. Idiots in Hollywood seem to think that they are immune from reality and others instinctively support them. |
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Posted: 10/22/2021 2:44:43 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Doesn’t hurt especially if the armorer is present to observe/assist. The other thing is why on earth would you have production staff in the line of fire and not shooting and observing remote during gun play? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I don't care what anyone says, if I am the actor that is instructed to point a firearm at someone else and pull the trigger, I will want to verify myself that the gun is clear and not loaded. Doesn’t hurt especially if the armorer is present to observe/assist. The other thing is why on earth would you have production staff in the line of fire and not shooting and observing remote during gun play? Cause in their minds they were just playing with unloaded guns. Negligent. |
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Posted: 10/22/2021 2:44:53 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Well, well. Sounds like Baldwin's had some time to get a story together.
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Posted: 10/22/2021 2:45:28 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: How is that even a thing? I thought all the prop guns were all disabled/neutered and really specialized to specifically prevent being able to use real ammo? No, most are functional. Watch the TFB TV videos at the Hollywood armorer place. |
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Posted: 10/22/2021 2:45:30 PM EDT
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Posted: 10/22/2021 2:45:31 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Just because a lot of them are negligent does not excuse someone when they shoot somebody. Ok, so there are alot of negligent actors that get away with it...this one didn't. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I'm predicting nothing happens to AB and the Amorer and 1st AD are the ones going down. Of course. Here is what happens when a gun comes to set. Posting again since it’s buried a handful of pages back. If they followed the correct protocol none of this would have happen. Whenever a real gun is being used, the armorer brings it to set and shows the 1st AD it’s cold by usually shinning a flashlight into the chamber. They will invite anyone to check it as well (I usually try to see for myself that’s it’s clear). Then before rolling the 1st AD will call to make the weapon hot. Once loaded the armorer will call out that the weapon is hot, the 1st AD will echo this call out. Then the weapon will be handed off to the actor. The 1st AD will call rolling and “fire in the hole” Action is called, gun is fired. Cut is called out, nobody enters the set until the armorer takes control of the firearm, clears it, calls out cold weapon. As far as guns being pointed at someone, usually it is never pointed directly at anyone but if it must be pointed at someone, they will use blanks that are not full loads such as 1/8, 1/4, 1/2, 3/4 loads. One example I’ve seen was a gun was used to shoot someones handcuffs off, they used 1/8 loads which werent even powerful enough to cycle the pistol. Hope this explains it. In my experience, whenever firearms are on set it is taken very seriously and safely. I don't care what anyone says, if I am the actor that is instructed to point a firearm at someone else and pull the trigger, I will want to verify myself that the gun is clear and not loaded. Of course, and I’m the same way. But a lot of actors are clueless when it comes to guns and just trust the armorer/props people. Just because a lot of them are negligent does not excuse someone when they shoot somebody. Ok, so there are alot of negligent actors that get away with it...this one didn't. My point is, the two people in charge of overall safety on set fucked up. The actor is not in charge of the firearm or it’s state (loaded/unloaded). The actors NEVER load or unload the guns. |
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Posted: 10/22/2021 2:45:48 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You know, this might be an opportunity. If this raises enough concern around safety maybe some kind of 'certification' could be made a thing, forcing any actors using firearms in movies to take regular training and MAYBE that could change some minds on the left cost. Nah, According to you it was not his fault. |
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Posted: 10/22/2021 2:47:00 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: This probably isn’t true, but it’s not exactly unbelievable either. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/258158/4DAB73E7-778C-4263-A585-0E200D987B95_jpe-2139459.JPG So....Trump did this. Orange man!!!! 
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Posted: 10/22/2021 2:47:16 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Baldwin hires a low cost unsafe local for a job involving firearms for a movie Baldwin is producing and when the low cost unsafe local behaves like a low cost unsafe local it makes Baldwin a "tragic victim." Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Well, well. Sounds like Baldwin's had some time to get a story together.
Baldwin hires a low cost unsafe local for a job involving firearms for a movie Baldwin is producing and when the low cost unsafe local behaves like a low cost unsafe local it makes Baldwin a "tragic victim." |
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Posted: 10/22/2021 2:47:33 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If that's true, that's a real unprofessional WTF screwup. Why on earth would you go and shoot live rounds out of a gun that's still being used as a prop in a movie that's still filming? You only own 4 guns, they're all being used as props in the movie, but you wanted to do a little plinking? WTF Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Well, well. Sounds like Baldwin's had some time to get a story together.
If that's true, that's a real unprofessional WTF screwup. Why on earth would you go and shoot live rounds out of a gun that's still being used as a prop in a movie that's still filming? You only own 4 guns, they're all being used as props in the movie, but you wanted to do a little plinking? WTF There is no good reason for it. Makes you wonder if there is more to the story. They may not have actually even been filming and may have just found the gun and used it thinking, ah hell, it was all good last week. |
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Posted: 10/22/2021 2:47:50 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Do actors normally check the various saftey devices used on set for stunts? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: And if the shot called for the actor to point the weapon at another actor? What then? "oh, sorry this is just too scary. I'm going to have to follow the gun safety rules and decline to shoot this scene" He is responsible period. Do actors normally check the various saftey devices used on set for stunts? Do workers in other industries? They do in every one I have been involved in. |
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Posted: 10/22/2021 2:48:11 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Of course, and I’m the same way. But a lot of actors are clueless when it comes to guns and just trust the armorer/props people. Serious question. If the procedure you describe wasn't followed (obviously it appears it wasn't). The armorer wasn't vetted (not part of the union) or at least it's been reported this way. Is the 1st AD still on the hook? Based on known details. They may not have much experience filming with guns and likely would not be familiar with the procedure themselves. Is there some sort of documentation that puts them on the hook for accidents on set? |
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Posted: 10/22/2021 2:48:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That is pretty fucked up they were doing that between sets with the actual weapons being used in the movie. Is it common that armorers joy shoot onsite while filming? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Well, well. Sounds like Baldwin's had some time to get a story together.
Baldwin hires a low cost unsafe local for a job involving firearms for a movie Baldwin is producing and when the low cost unsafe local behaves like a low cost unsafe local it makes Baldwin a "tragic victim."
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Posted: 10/22/2021 2:48:51 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: My point is, the two people in charge of overall safety on set fucked up. The actor is not in charge of the firearm or it’s state (loaded/unloaded). The actors NEVER load or unload the guns. None of that apologist bullshit absolves him of the fact that he failed to ensure the weapon was safe. Just because others never do something, doesn't make it safe. It makes it stupid and really highlights the gross negligence so pervasive in the industry, it that's the case. |
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Posted: 10/22/2021 2:49:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That is pretty fucked up they were doing that between sets with the actual weapons being used in the movie. Is it common that armorers joy shoot onsite while filming? It is if you hire methy local low cost NM armorers because you're a shitty human being like Alec Baldwin. |
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Posted: 10/22/2021 2:49:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: My point is, the two people in charge of overall safety on set fucked up. The actor is not in charge of the firearm or it’s state (loaded/unloaded). The actors NEVER load or unload the guns. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I'm predicting nothing happens to AB and the Amorer and 1st AD are the ones going down. Of course. Here is what happens when a gun comes to set. Posting again since it’s buried a handful of pages back. If they followed the correct protocol none of this would have happen. Whenever a real gun is being used, the armorer brings it to set and shows the 1st AD it’s cold by usually shinning a flashlight into the chamber. They will invite anyone to check it as well (I usually try to see for myself that’s it’s clear). Then before rolling the 1st AD will call to make the weapon hot. Once loaded the armorer will call out that the weapon is hot, the 1st AD will echo this call out. Then the weapon will be handed off to the actor. The 1st AD will call rolling and “fire in the hole” Action is called, gun is fired. Cut is called out, nobody enters the set until the armorer takes control of the firearm, clears it, calls out cold weapon. As far as guns being pointed at someone, usually it is never pointed directly at anyone but if it must be pointed at someone, they will use blanks that are not full loads such as 1/8, 1/4, 1/2, 3/4 loads. One example I’ve seen was a gun was used to shoot someones handcuffs off, they used 1/8 loads which werent even powerful enough to cycle the pistol. Hope this explains it. In my experience, whenever firearms are on set it is taken very seriously and safely. I don't care what anyone says, if I am the actor that is instructed to point a firearm at someone else and pull the trigger, I will want to verify myself that the gun is clear and not loaded. Of course, and I’m the same way. But a lot of actors are clueless when it comes to guns and just trust the armorer/props people. Just because a lot of them are negligent does not excuse someone when they shoot somebody. Ok, so there are alot of negligent actors that get away with it...this one didn't. My point is, the two people in charge of overall safety on set fucked up. The actor is not in charge of the firearm or it’s state (loaded/unloaded). The actors NEVER load or unload the guns. But even now we don't know that. The person in charge of safety may not have even been on set that day. Apparently they were not actually filming... |
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Posted: 10/22/2021 2:50:50 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: What if dummies are used to represent a loaded cylinder in a close up shot and there are no blanks used in the scene? I’m betting this was the scenario and the armorer could not tell one was still a live round. If Baldwin was supposed to present and cock the pistol but dropped the hammer by mistake or mishandling…. Seeing as an SAA is gate loaded, one cartridge at a time it would be pretty easy to fuck up the cylinder count, not be able to tell from a quick visual and hand off a gun with a live cartridge in it… Not true. It should be IMPOSSIBLE to have live ammunition on a movie set. Apparently Hollywood libtards are so stupid that even the death of Brandon Lee taught them absolutely nothing. |
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Posted: 10/22/2021 2:52:30 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: This probably isn’t true, but it’s not exactly unbelievable either. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/258158/4DAB73E7-778C-4263-A585-0E200D987B95_jpe-2139459.JPG That is absolutely untrue. |
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Posted: 10/22/2021 2:52:39 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Right....so no more Mean Tweets [tm]? Nope... this is the cultural war and you stick it to them and rub their faces in their shitty filth when you can. Any less and you are fighting the war handicapped. See how far we've gotten by being polite? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: It's really funny how so much of what he said is coming back around, but I still don't think our representatives should be doing snarky "gotcha" tweets for online clout Right....so no more Mean Tweets [tm]? Nope... this is the cultural war and you stick it to them and rub their faces in their shitty filth when you can. Any less and you are fighting the war handicapped. See how far we've gotten by being polite? Exactly correct. We are losing the culture war because our first instinct is to be nice and their first instinct is to attack. It is amazing how many posters here excused Baldwin with zero knowledge of circumstances. Now that it is clear that he was also a producer, he hired an ill qualified armorer and people were previously complaining about safety on the set and people here still defend him is mind boggling. |
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Posted: 10/22/2021 2:53:40 PM EDT
[#29]
Quote HistoryQuoted: What's funny? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: No, it was a real gun that should never be pointed at anyone except those who you intend to shoot. lol What's funny? Join the military and you’ll get to point real guns loaded with blanks on your friends all the time. It’s perfectly safe when following the proper routines. |
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Posted: 10/22/2021 2:54:05 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Serious question. If the procedure you describe wasn't followed (obviously it appears it wasn't). The armorer wasn't vetted (not part of the union) or at least it's been reported this way. Is the 1st AD still on the hook? Based on known details. They may not have much experience filming with guns and likely would not be familiar with the procedure themselves. Is there some sort of documentation that puts them on the hook for accidents on set? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Of course, and I’m the same way. But a lot of actors are clueless when it comes to guns and just trust the armorer/props people. Serious question. If the procedure you describe wasn't followed (obviously it appears it wasn't). The armorer wasn't vetted (not part of the union) or at least it's been reported this way. Is the 1st AD still on the hook? Based on known details. They may not have much experience filming with guns and likely would not be familiar with the procedure themselves. Is there some sort of documentation that puts them on the hook for accidents on set? The 1st AD is on the hook. They are in charge of overall safety on set. They do all the safety meetings everyday as well. And the 1st AD position is not an entry level position. Any 1st AD has been on working on set for years, starting out as a production assistant. |
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Posted: 10/22/2021 2:54:19 PM EDT
[#31]
Quote HistoryQuoted: How does it happen to two victims? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: It was an accident. Plain and simple. Sucks. Same thing happened to Brandon Lee on the set of the Crow. How does it happen to two victims? Alec Baldwin is a mass-shooter. |
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Posted: 10/22/2021 2:54:31 PM EDT
[#32]
So Trump derangement syndrome has actually killed someone now. Way to go, Alec. That will be your legacy.
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Posted: 10/22/2021 2:54:44 PM EDT
[#33]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Nah, According to you it was not his fault. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: You know, this might be an opportunity. If this raises enough concern around safety maybe some kind of 'certification' could be made a thing, forcing any actors using firearms in movies to take regular training and MAYBE that could change some minds on the left cost. Nah, According to you it was not his fault. I said he was ultimately responsible. |
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Posted: 10/22/2021 2:55:43 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Of course. Here is what happens when a gun comes to set. Posting again since it’s buried a handful of pages back. If they followed the correct protocol none of this would have happen. Whenever a real gun is being used, the armorer brings it to set and shows the 1st AD it’s cold by usually shinning a flashlight into the chamber. They will invite anyone to check it as well (I usually try to see for myself that’s it’s clear). Then before rolling the 1st AD will call to make the weapon hot. Once loaded the armorer will call out that the weapon is hot, the 1st AD will echo this call out. Then the weapon will be handed off to the actor. The 1st AD will call rolling and “fire in the hole” Action is called, gun is fired. Cut is called out, nobody enters the set until the armorer takes control of the firearm, clears it, calls out cold weapon. As far as guns being pointed at someone, usually it is never pointed directly at anyone but if it must be pointed at someone, they will use blanks that are not full loads such as 1/8, 1/4, 1/2, 3/4 loads. One example I’ve seen was a gun was used to shoot someones handcuffs off, they used 1/8 loads which werent even powerful enough to cycle the pistol. Hope this explains it. In my experience, whenever firearms are on set it is taken very seriously and safely. @Proto3 Thanks for bringing some actual experience to the thread. Curious about the standard practice with prop guns handed to them that are already loaded with blanks; specifically, are actors allowed/encouraged to unload a prop gun to inspect the rounds to ensure that none are live ammo? It sounds like any inspection is to be done before the firearm is loaded, and if for whatever reason, the firearm wasn't loaded in-situ, once the blank-loaded firearm is handed to the actor, there's no further unloading/messing about. A) as you already mentioned, many actors aren't 'gun people' (not to mention a whole lot of 2 faced assholes who make millions off movies where they shoot guns, but turn aroynd and talk about how evil they are and no one should own them). I'm guessing most of them just trust the armorer/prop master to hand them the prop, then do whatever the scene entails. |
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Posted: 10/22/2021 2:56:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryI feel horrible for the poor young woman and even more horrible for laughing at that as hard as I did. There would be no humor in this if Baldwin wasn't such a supreme cock sucker. |
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Posted: 10/22/2021 2:56:28 PM EDT
[#36]
Baldwin fucked around and found out.
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Posted: 10/22/2021 2:57:12 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That is absolutely untrue. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: This probably isn’t true, but it’s not exactly unbelievable either. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/258158/4DAB73E7-778C-4263-A585-0E200D987B95_jpe-2139459.JPG That is absolutely untrue. How do we know that? There is a claim that the gun went off when filming the gun being drawn from a holster but the pictures of him in street clothes immediately after make me question if that is true. Are there any official statements from investigators? |
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Posted: 10/22/2021 2:57:23 PM EDT
[#38]
Quote HistoryQuoted: This probably isn’t true, but it’s not exactly unbelievable either. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/258158/4DAB73E7-778C-4263-A585-0E200D987B95_jpe-2139459.JPG This fails the "too on the nose" filter. Fake news. |
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Posted: 10/22/2021 2:58:17 PM EDT
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What a shame...
 Too bad it wasn't a suicide scene they were shooting and the Commie, Bottom-Feeding, Sewer-Dwelling Puke "accidentally" shot himself between the eyes.  |
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Posted: 10/22/2021 2:58:18 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Join the military and you’ll get to point real guns loaded with blanks on your friends all the time. It’s perfectly safe when following the proper routines. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: No, it was a real gun that should never be pointed at anyone except those who you intend to shoot. lol What's funny? Join the military and you’ll get to point real guns loaded with blanks on your friends all the time. It’s perfectly safe when following the proper routines. Last I checked Baldwin wasn’t military and he is probably wishing he didn’t point the gun at someone. lol |
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Posted: 10/22/2021 2:58:35 PM EDT
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Years ago our local celebrity The Dragonman was filming a show on his property. Somebody launched a rocket that went through his wife killing her.
https://www.fox21news.com/news/dragonmans-wife-killed-in-freak-explosion/ Shit happens. |
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Posted: 10/22/2021 2:58:55 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Join the military and you’ll get to point real guns loaded with blanks on your friends all the time. It’s perfectly safe when following the proper routines. Generally frowned on, but we occasionally had loaded ones pointed at each other too. Well trained and well oiled teams, it's less of an issue - though there aren't too many people I'd trust to that level. That really highlights the difference though doesn't it? |
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Posted: 10/22/2021 2:59:20 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If that's true, that's a real unprofessional WTF screwup. Why on earth would you go and shoot live rounds out of a gun that's still being used as a prop in a movie that's still filming? You only own 4 guns, they're all being used as props in the movie, but you wanted to do a little plinking? WTF Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Well, well. Sounds like Baldwin's had some time to get a story together.
If that's true, that's a real unprofessional WTF screwup. Why on earth would you go and shoot live rounds out of a gun that's still being used as a prop in a movie that's still filming? You only own 4 guns, they're all being used as props in the movie, but you wanted to do a little plinking? WTF Maybe they were doing it for sound. Also remember they are going to be doing everything in their power to pawn this off on the nobody armorer and do everything to make Baldwin look innocent. |
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Posted: 10/22/2021 3:00:33 PM EDT
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Someone TLDR 17 pages? Sum up the shooting?
ETA Wtf?! Shooting a prop gun? Absolute retards |
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Posted: 10/22/2021 3:01:27 PM EDT
[#45]
Quote HistoryQuoted: @Proto3 Thanks for bringing some actual experience to the thread. Curious about the standard practice with prop guns handed to them that are already loaded with blanks; specifically, are actors allowed/encouraged to unload a prop gun to inspect the rounds to ensure that none are live ammo? It sounds like any inspection is to be done before the firearm is loaded, and if for whatever reason, the firearm wasn't loaded in-situ, once the blank-loaded firearm is handed to the actor, there's no further unloading/messing about. A) as you already mentioned, many actors aren't 'gun people' (not to mention a whole lot of 2 faced assholes who make millions off movies where they shoot guns, but turn aroynd and talk about how evil they are and no one should own them). I'm guessing most of them just trust the armorer/prop master to hand them the prop, then do whatever the scene entails. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Of course. Here is what happens when a gun comes to set. Posting again since it’s buried a handful of pages back. If they followed the correct protocol none of this would have happen. Whenever a real gun is being used, the armorer brings it to set and shows the 1st AD it’s cold by usually shinning a flashlight into the chamber. They will invite anyone to check it as well (I usually try to see for myself that’s it’s clear). Then before rolling the 1st AD will call to make the weapon hot. Once loaded the armorer will call out that the weapon is hot, the 1st AD will echo this call out. Then the weapon will be handed off to the actor. The 1st AD will call rolling and “fire in the hole” Action is called, gun is fired. Cut is called out, nobody enters the set until the armorer takes control of the firearm, clears it, calls out cold weapon. As far as guns being pointed at someone, usually it is never pointed directly at anyone but if it must be pointed at someone, they will use blanks that are not full loads such as 1/8, 1/4, 1/2, 3/4 loads. One example I’ve seen was a gun was used to shoot someones handcuffs off, they used 1/8 loads which werent even powerful enough to cycle the pistol. Hope this explains it. In my experience, whenever firearms are on set it is taken very seriously and safely. @Proto3 Thanks for bringing some actual experience to the thread. Curious about the standard practice with prop guns handed to them that are already loaded with blanks; specifically, are actors allowed/encouraged to unload a prop gun to inspect the rounds to ensure that none are live ammo? It sounds like any inspection is to be done before the firearm is loaded, and if for whatever reason, the firearm wasn't loaded in-situ, once the blank-loaded firearm is handed to the actor, there's no further unloading/messing about. A) as you already mentioned, many actors aren't 'gun people' (not to mention a whole lot of 2 faced assholes who make millions off movies where they shoot guns, but turn aroynd and talk about how evil they are and no one should own them). I'm guessing most of them just trust the armorer/prop master to hand them the prop, then do whatever the scene entails. Actors are not allowed to load/unload firearms. The armorer is the only one allowed to do that. Inspection is done prior to rolling the camera, and once we cut, the armorer takes the gun from the actor and makes it safe. If an actor wanted to re-check the loads the armorer would unload it then reload it. I have personally never seen an actor question the armorer. |
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Posted: 10/22/2021 3:02:01 PM EDT
[#46]
Quote HistoryQuoted: My point is, the two people in charge of overall safety on set fucked up. The actor is not in charge of the firearm or it’s state (loaded/unloaded). The actors NEVER load or unload the guns. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I'm predicting nothing happens to AB and the Amorer and 1st AD are the ones going down. Of course. Here is what happens when a gun comes to set. Posting again since it’s buried a handful of pages back. If they followed the correct protocol none of this would have happen. Whenever a real gun is being used, the armorer brings it to set and shows the 1st AD it’s cold by usually shinning a flashlight into the chamber. They will invite anyone to check it as well (I usually try to see for myself that’s it’s clear). Then before rolling the 1st AD will call to make the weapon hot. Once loaded the armorer will call out that the weapon is hot, the 1st AD will echo this call out. Then the weapon will be handed off to the actor. The 1st AD will call rolling and “fire in the hole” Action is called, gun is fired. Cut is called out, nobody enters the set until the armorer takes control of the firearm, clears it, calls out cold weapon. As far as guns being pointed at someone, usually it is never pointed directly at anyone but if it must be pointed at someone, they will use blanks that are not full loads such as 1/8, 1/4, 1/2, 3/4 loads. One example I’ve seen was a gun was used to shoot someones handcuffs off, they used 1/8 loads which werent even powerful enough to cycle the pistol. Hope this explains it. In my experience, whenever firearms are on set it is taken very seriously and safely. I don't care what anyone says, if I am the actor that is instructed to point a firearm at someone else and pull the trigger, I will want to verify myself that the gun is clear and not loaded. Of course, and I’m the same way. But a lot of actors are clueless when it comes to guns and just trust the armorer/props people. Just because a lot of them are negligent does not excuse someone when they shoot somebody. Ok, so there are alot of negligent actors that get away with it...this one didn't. My point is, the two people in charge of overall safety on set fucked up. The actor is not in charge of the firearm or it’s state (loaded/unloaded). The actors NEVER load or unload the guns. Thanks. That answers my question. |
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Posted: 10/22/2021 3:03:31 PM EDT
[#47]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The 1st AD is on the hook. They are in charge of overall safety on set. They do all the safety meetings everyday as well. And the 1st AD position is not an entry level position. Any 1st AD has been on working on set for years, starting out as a production assistant. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Of course, and I’m the same way. But a lot of actors are clueless when it comes to guns and just trust the armorer/props people. Serious question. If the procedure you describe wasn't followed (obviously it appears it wasn't). The armorer wasn't vetted (not part of the union) or at least it's been reported this way. Is the 1st AD still on the hook? Based on known details. They may not have much experience filming with guns and likely would not be familiar with the procedure themselves. Is there some sort of documentation that puts them on the hook for accidents on set? The 1st AD is on the hook. They are in charge of overall safety on set. They do all the safety meetings everyday as well. And the 1st AD position is not an entry level position. Any 1st AD has been on working on set for years, starting out as a production assistant. So they are generally the most experienced person on set then? Didn't look like the main director had a lot of films under his belt. Also starts another question? Have you ever worked a set where the 1st AD has been this negligent? I imagine it happens all the time, and it rarely catches up with people. But I honestly don't know. |
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Posted: 10/22/2021 3:04:25 PM EDT
[#48]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Thanks. That answers my question. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I'm predicting nothing happens to AB and the Amorer and 1st AD are the ones going down. Of course. Here is what happens when a gun comes to set. Posting again since it’s buried a handful of pages back. If they followed the correct protocol none of this would have happen. Whenever a real gun is being used, the armorer brings it to set and shows the 1st AD it’s cold by usually shinning a flashlight into the chamber. They will invite anyone to check it as well (I usually try to see for myself that’s it’s clear). Then before rolling the 1st AD will call to make the weapon hot. Once loaded the armorer will call out that the weapon is hot, the 1st AD will echo this call out. Then the weapon will be handed off to the actor. The 1st AD will call rolling and “fire in the hole” Action is called, gun is fired. Cut is called out, nobody enters the set until the armorer takes control of the firearm, clears it, calls out cold weapon. As far as guns being pointed at someone, usually it is never pointed directly at anyone but if it must be pointed at someone, they will use blanks that are not full loads such as 1/8, 1/4, 1/2, 3/4 loads. One example I’ve seen was a gun was used to shoot someones handcuffs off, they used 1/8 loads which werent even powerful enough to cycle the pistol. Hope this explains it. In my experience, whenever firearms are on set it is taken very seriously and safely. I don't care what anyone says, if I am the actor that is instructed to point a firearm at someone else and pull the trigger, I will want to verify myself that the gun is clear and not loaded. Of course, and I’m the same way. But a lot of actors are clueless when it comes to guns and just trust the armorer/props people. Just because a lot of them are negligent does not excuse someone when they shoot somebody. Ok, so there are alot of negligent actors that get away with it...this one didn't. My point is, the two people in charge of overall safety on set fucked up. The actor is not in charge of the firearm or it’s state (loaded/unloaded). The actors NEVER load or unload the guns. Thanks. That answers my question. Example: I was on a show and we were using an M16 on full auto. Armorer walks up to the actor before rolling. Loads the mag, drops the bolt, turns it on “auto”. They dont even let the actors switch it from safe to auto. Then he handed the hot gun to the actor. |
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Posted: 10/22/2021 3:05:28 PM EDT
[#49]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Last I checked Baldwin wasn’t military and he is probably wishing he didn’t point the gun at someone. lol Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: No, it was a real gun that should never be pointed at anyone except those who you intend to shoot. lol What's funny? Join the military and you’ll get to point real guns loaded with blanks on your friends all the time. It’s perfectly safe when following the proper routines. Last I checked Baldwin wasn’t military and he is probably wishing he didn’t point the gun at someone. lol Nah, he just likes posing with them on camera to make cash and look cool. And talk trash on everyone that hasn't accidentally shot someone with theirs. Until... well ya know.. somebody else made him kill someone accidentally. Everyone knows it's the influenza at fault and someone else's responsibility. /s |
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Posted: 10/22/2021 3:05:31 PM EDT
[#50]
Quote HistoryQuoted: How do we know that? There is a claim that the gun went off when filming the gun being drawn from a holster but the pictures of him in street clothes immediately after make me question if that is true. Are there any official statements from investigators? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: This probably isn’t true, but it’s not exactly unbelievable either. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/258158/4DAB73E7-778C-4263-A585-0E200D987B95_jpe-2139459.JPG That is absolutely untrue. How do we know that? There is a claim that the gun went off when filming the gun being drawn from a holster but the pictures of him in street clothes immediately after make me question if that is true. Are there any official statements from investigators? That many factors never line up that perfectly in real life. |
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