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Posted: 8/6/2022 10:24:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The federal goverent has not "outlawed" Alex Jones, nor have they put him in jail or "fined" him. AJ lost a civil case brought against him by a fellow citizen(s). Your example would actually violate the First Amendment. This post is a great example of how utterly clueless you are regarding this issue. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I will take a page out of your book. I wish the federal government would outlaw you. Put you in jail or fine you 45 million for all these type posts you have made on internet forums. See how statist a thought that is? Probably not, doubt you can see it. The federal goverent has not "outlawed" Alex Jones, nor have they put him in jail or "fined" him. AJ lost a civil case brought against him by a fellow citizen(s). Your example would actually violate the First Amendment. This post is a great example of how utterly clueless you are regarding this issue. |
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Posted: 8/6/2022 10:24:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: QFT. Look carefully at the enemies and detractors Alex Jones has. You will soon realize that they are all the same type of people. IQ above potato? |
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Posted: 8/6/2022 10:25:09 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Why are you hung up on the "No names". It is no secret who the parents of the Sandy Hook victims are, and there aren't that many of them. Your point is entirely irrelevant. |
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Posted: 8/6/2022 10:32:28 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: IQ above potato? |
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Posted: 8/6/2022 10:32:54 PM EDT
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I think a lot of times where people talk past each other are the more difficult issues.
I mean Sandman was mentioned and that's definitely a news outlet, right? I think we would agree it is, for sure. Also generally speaking people are allowed their opinion. I mean I can say I don't like NBCMarine because he's espouses Russian talking points and I'm fine. So where does Alex Jones fit in? And that's legit up for debate and I don't have an answer. Everyone seems to have an opinion on everything but there's no real standard. The left said Andy Ngo isn't a journalist, I have no opinion either way on that. Rachel Maddow successfully avoided a defamation lawsuit by saying "Are you kidding me? Anyone who thinks I'm news is retarded." And won. Which is basically kinda what Alex is saying. So is anyone who picks up a camera a reporter? Maybe you need to make money from it? But if money is the test, then does a super chat donation count? If no, what amount of money makes it count? With both sides running very obvious opinion pieces, how does that factor into liability for a news organization? Can they have no opinion pieces? If they can have opinion pieces are they protected but news anchors are not? If Jones is clearly just a water filter peddling shill, should he be treated as a news organization? There's a lot of larger problems at work here, and honestly I'm not really sure what the answer is. |
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Posted: 8/6/2022 10:35:51 PM EDT
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I think if you forced me into a decision I would say no money for Sandman and no money for Sandy Hook.
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Posted: 8/6/2022 10:40:06 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: And you did just what I said you would Since you seem intent on remaining willfully ignorant, here is the first parent that Jones defamed, by name, on his show. https://infowarslawsuit.com/heslin-versus-jones/ |
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Posted: 8/6/2022 10:42:18 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I think if you forced me into a decision I would say no money for Sandman and no money for Sandy Hook. Wait, so slander/libel/defamation shouldn't be civil torts? They didn't become so by accident, you know. |
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Posted: 8/6/2022 10:45:10 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I think if you forced me into a decision I would say no money for Sandman and no money for Sandy Hook. Sandmann was singled out. And terrible lies were attributed to him personally, by "legit" news agencies reporting the "news" that they lied and skewed. Who watches Alex Jones and hangs on their seat with every word as the truth. The dude plays the news and facts loosely while offering a spectacle. I do not believe he got it right on Sandy Hook. Nor do I think he got it right on 9/11. I don't watch him other than clips posted on this site or maybe twitter. I have read the news about him. Sandmann and Jones are just two different things to me. If somebody wants to argue they are the same, we can debate respectfully. To tell me my version is clueless or try to make their OPINION fact is deleted for CoC reasons. |
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Posted: 8/6/2022 10:45:42 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Let me spoon feed you since you have trouble sounding it out. He was specifcially attacked and defamed. They lied about him specifically attributing things he did not do. They made him into a racist. I have seen AJ call out no names. Just be clown shoes about the whole event. That hurt some feelz, including yours. I think it was classless but not 45 million classless. Try, if you can, to wrap your cluelessness around that. So NOW it's okay to "violate" someone's First Amendment right IF they use your name specifically?  Not to mention the fact AJ accused specific family members of being crisis actors. So your entire argument falls apart when he posted videos of them on his show. He specifically accused them of being crisis actors and a part of a hoax that was 100% true. |
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Posted: 8/6/2022 10:46:50 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I think if you forced me into a decision I would say no money for Sandman and no money for Sandy Hook. |
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Posted: 8/6/2022 10:47:49 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So NOW it's okay to "violate" someone's First Amendment right IF they use your name specifically? Not to mention the fact AJ accused specific family members of being crisis actors. So your entire argument falls apart when he posted videos of them on his show.   |
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Posted: 8/6/2022 10:49:33 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Wait, so slander/libel/defamation shouldn't be civil torts? They didn't become so by accident, you know. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I think if you forced me into a decision I would say no money for Sandman and no money for Sandy Hook. Wait, so slander/libel/defamation shouldn't be civil torts? They didn't become so by accident, you know. If you forced me into a decision. For the sake of argument. |
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Posted: 8/6/2022 10:51:39 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I think if you forced me into a decision I would say no money for Sandman and no money for Sandy Hook. Libel, slander, and defamation have the potential to destroy lives. They are civil torts for a reason. |
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Posted: 8/6/2022 10:51:44 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Was Sandman a public figure or just a private citizen slandered by CNN? One could argue that some of the Sandy Hook families were public figures as they took their stories to the news to do interviews about gun control and their loss. Once they consented to being on news networks to espouse their views they could be scrutinized as public figures without civil penalties. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I think if you forced me into a decision I would say no money for Sandman and no money for Sandy Hook. I have thought about that as well, and agree. But also Jones is clearly a public figure as well. I don't care if Alex goes bankrupt personally, in fact it would benefit me by him offering shitpost cameos. But that doesn't make it right. And what I'm saying is the entire issue is pretty difficult to dissect. |
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Posted: 8/6/2022 10:55:02 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Curious to see if any of them will show up to defend CNN’s “freedom” to defame Sandmann. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: https://nypost.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2021/12/nicholas-sandmann-937.jpg?quality=75&strip=all&w=744 So which is this guy? A freedom loving American or a big government regulation loving statist who violated CNN's first amenent rights? Curious to see if any of them will show up to defend CNN’s “freedom” to defame Sandmann. I heard his case was thrown out. I also don't think the cases are comparable. |
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Posted: 8/6/2022 10:56:42 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I heard his case was thrown out. I also don't think the cases are comparable. Well you heard wrong. CNN settled with Sandmann for an undisclosed amount. As did NBC. And the Washington Post. And the cases are perfectly analogous. A media outlet spreading bullshit about innocent people which negatively impacted their lives. |
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Posted: 8/6/2022 10:58:17 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Libel, slander, and defamation have the potential to destroy lives. They are civil torts for a reason. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I think if you forced me into a decision I would say no money for Sandman and no money for Sandy Hook. Libel, slander, and defamation have the potential to destroy lives. They are civil torts for a reason. I've always taken you for a libertarian leaning ancap, much like Honda. Meaning neither of you liked Trump because you were disappointed in his decisions and actions because they didn't align with your sense of how the world should be. I too agree the world is really fucked up. I also would like more liberty. To quote Walter Block: But what is a person’s “reputation”? What is this thing which may not be “taken lightly”? Clearly, it is not a possession which may be said to belong to him in the way, for example, his clothes do. In fact, a person’s reputation does not “belong” to him at all. A person’s reputation is what other people think of him; it consists of the thoughts which other people have. A man does not own his reputation any more than he owns the thoughts of others—because that is all his reputation con- sists of. A man’s reputation cannot be stolen from him any more than can the thoughts of other people be stolen from him. Whether his reputation was “taken from him” by fair means or foul, by truth or falsehood, he did not own it in the first place and, hence, should have no recourse to the law for damages. What then are we doing when we object to, or prohibit, libel? We are prohibiting someone from affecting or trying to affect the thoughts of other people. But what does the right of free speech mean if not that we are all free to try to affect the thoughts of those around us? So we must conclude that libel and slander are consistent with the rights of free speech. Finally, paradoxical though it may be, reputations would probably be more secure without the laws which prohibit libelous speech! With the present laws prohibiting libelous false- hoods, there is a natural tendency to believe any publicized slur on someone’s character. “It would not be printed if it were not true,” reasons the gullible public. If libel and slander were allowed, however, the public would not be so easily deceived. Attacks would come so thick and fast that they would have to be substantiated before they could have any impact. Agencies simi- lar to Consumers Union or the Better Business Bureau might be organized to meet the public’s demand for accurate scurrilous information. The public would soon learn to digest and evaluate the state- ments of libelers and slanderers—if the latter were allowed free rein. No longer would a libeler or slanderer have the automatic power to ruin a person’s reputation. Link here: Mises.org - Defending the Undefendable |
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Posted: 8/6/2022 10:59:26 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Alex Jones is a piece of shit who made millions with a business model built around pandering bullshit to stupid people who could be convinced he is a great man. You said my feelings in a CoC approved manner. |
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Posted: 8/6/2022 11:01:15 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Well you heard wrong. CNN settled with Sandmann for an undisclosed amount. As did NBC. And the Washington Post. And the cases are perfectly analogous. A media outlet spreading bullshit about innocent people which negatively impacted their lives. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I heard his case was thrown out. I also don't think the cases are comparable. Well you heard wrong. CNN settled with Sandmann for an undisclosed amount. As did NBC. And the Washington Post. And the cases are perfectly analogous. A media outlet spreading bullshit about innocent people which negatively impacted their lives. What jones did was not what they did. He was wrong. Did he stop them from earning future wages? Did he cause them to be ostracized by an entire nation of woke sheep? |
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Posted: 8/6/2022 11:01:29 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I have thought about that as well, and agree. But also Jones is clearly a public figure as well. I don't care if Alex goes bankrupt personally, in fact it would benefit me by him offering shitpost cameos. But that doesn't make it right. And what I'm saying is the entire issue is pretty difficult to dissect. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: I think if you forced me into a decision I would say no money for Sandman and no money for Sandy Hook. I have thought about that as well, and agree. But also Jones is clearly a public figure as well. I don't care if Alex goes bankrupt personally, in fact it would benefit me by him offering shitpost cameos. But that doesn't make it right. And what I'm saying is the entire issue is pretty difficult to dissect. No way Alex goes under. Infowars and banned.video will stay up as long as he's alive. Whoever donated the 7mil in Bitcoin will probably make another big donation and they'll pay off the families and go back to work. AJ has repeatedly apologized and said sandy hook was real and that they got it wrong. I don't remember cnn ever apologizing and admitting they got it wrong on sandman or Rittenhouse |
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Posted: 8/6/2022 11:02:37 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Cause they attacked a kid with lies on a specific and personal basis. Doing damage to him calling him a racist among other things. During the height of hot button racism dog whistle. What jones did was not what they did. He was wrong. Did he stop them from earning future wages? Did he cause them to be ostracized by an entire nation of woke sheep? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: I heard his case was thrown out. I also don't think the cases are comparable. Well you heard wrong. CNN settled with Sandmann for an undisclosed amount. As did NBC. And the Washington Post. And the cases are perfectly analogous. A media outlet spreading bullshit about innocent people which negatively impacted their lives. What jones did was not what they did. He was wrong. Did he stop them from earning future wages? Did he cause them to be ostracized by an entire nation of woke sheep? I don't see how alexs comments hurt those families other than their feelings. Sandman was labeled a racist nationally |
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Posted: 8/6/2022 11:03:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Cause they attacked a kid with lies on a specific and personal basis. Doing damage to him calling him a racist among other things. During the height of hot button racism dog whistle. What jones did was not what they did. He was wrong. Did he stop them from earning future wages? Did he cause them to be ostracized by an entire nation of woke sheep? Jones did exactly that. He attacked people, specifically and identifiably with wild false accusations. |
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Posted: 8/6/2022 11:03:55 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I think a lot of times where people talk past each other are the more difficult issues. I mean Sandman was mentioned and that's definitely a news outlet, right? I think we would agree it is, for sure. Also generally speaking people are allowed their opinion. I mean I can say I don't like NBCMarine because he's espouses Russian talking points and I'm fine. So where does Alex Jones fit in? And that's legit up for debate and I don't have an answer. Everyone seems to have an opinion on everything but there's no real standard. The left said Andy Ngo isn't a journalist, I have no opinion either way on that. Rachel Maddow successfully avoided a defamation lawsuit by saying "Are you kidding me? Anyone who thinks I'm news is retarded." And won. Which is basically kinda what Alex is saying. So is anyone who picks up a camera a reporter? Maybe you need to make money from it? But if money is the test, then does a super chat donation count? If no, what amount of money makes it count? With both sides running very obvious opinion pieces, how does that factor into liability for a news organization? Can they have no opinion pieces? If they can have opinion pieces are they protected but news anchors are not? If Jones is clearly just a water filter peddling shill, should he be treated as a news organization? There's a lot of larger problems at work here, and honestly I'm not really sure what the answer is. Hold my beer watch this. Alex Jones Jesse Ventura 2024. |
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Posted: 8/6/2022 11:04:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I don't see how alexs comments hurt those families other than their feelings. Sandman was labeled a racist nationally Their claim that these events, Sandmann and Sandy Hook are equal is complete and utter bullshit. Neither was a good thing though. |
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Posted: 8/6/2022 11:05:25 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Jones did exactly that. He attacked people, specifically and identifiably with wild false accusations. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Cause they attacked a kid with lies on a specific and personal basis. Doing damage to him calling him a racist among other things. During the height of hot button racism dog whistle. What jones did was not what they did. He was wrong. Did he stop them from earning future wages? Did he cause them to be ostracized by an entire nation of woke sheep? Jones did exactly that. He attacked people, specifically and identifiably with wild false accusations. And those accusations, which he apologized for and said he was wrong, how did they hurt those families other than their feelings |
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Posted: 8/6/2022 11:05:28 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: So you "know what team I play for", but won't say it? Come on. When you are forced to resort to irrelevant ad hominems and memes, instead of actual points, recognize you lost the debate. /media/mediaFiles/sharedAlbum/crazykat-330.gif |
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Posted: 8/6/2022 11:05:36 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Hold my beer watch this. Alex Jones Jesse Ventura 2024. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I think a lot of times where people talk past each other are the more difficult issues. I mean Sandman was mentioned and that's definitely a news outlet, right? I think we would agree it is, for sure. Also generally speaking people are allowed their opinion. I mean I can say I don't like NBCMarine because he's espouses Russian talking points and I'm fine. So where does Alex Jones fit in? And that's legit up for debate and I don't have an answer. Everyone seems to have an opinion on everything but there's no real standard. The left said Andy Ngo isn't a journalist, I have no opinion either way on that. Rachel Maddow successfully avoided a defamation lawsuit by saying "Are you kidding me? Anyone who thinks I'm news is retarded." And won. Which is basically kinda what Alex is saying. So is anyone who picks up a camera a reporter? Maybe you need to make money from it? But if money is the test, then does a super chat donation count? If no, what amount of money makes it count? With both sides running very obvious opinion pieces, how does that factor into liability for a news organization? Can they have no opinion pieces? If they can have opinion pieces are they protected but news anchors are not? If Jones is clearly just a water filter peddling shill, should he be treated as a news organization? There's a lot of larger problems at work here, and honestly I'm not really sure what the answer is. Hold my beer watch this. Alex Jones Jesse Ventura 2024. No no Alex Jones as press secretary would be the best |
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Posted: 8/6/2022 11:06:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Jones did exactly that. He attacked people, specifically and identifiably with wild false accusations. Your statement is BULLSHIT. |
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Posted: 8/6/2022 11:07:05 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: No no Alex Jones as press secretary would be the best Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: I think a lot of times where people talk past each other are the more difficult issues. I mean Sandman was mentioned and that's definitely a news outlet, right? I think we would agree it is, for sure. Also generally speaking people are allowed their opinion. I mean I can say I don't like NBCMarine because he's espouses Russian talking points and I'm fine. So where does Alex Jones fit in? And that's legit up for debate and I don't have an answer. Everyone seems to have an opinion on everything but there's no real standard. The left said Andy Ngo isn't a journalist, I have no opinion either way on that. Rachel Maddow successfully avoided a defamation lawsuit by saying "Are you kidding me? Anyone who thinks I'm news is retarded." And won. Which is basically kinda what Alex is saying. So is anyone who picks up a camera a reporter? Maybe you need to make money from it? But if money is the test, then does a super chat donation count? If no, what amount of money makes it count? With both sides running very obvious opinion pieces, how does that factor into liability for a news organization? Can they have no opinion pieces? If they can have opinion pieces are they protected but news anchors are not? If Jones is clearly just a water filter peddling shill, should he be treated as a news organization? There's a lot of larger problems at work here, and honestly I'm not really sure what the answer is. Hold my beer watch this. Alex Jones Jesse Ventura 2024. No no Alex Jones as press secretary would be the best Can we start a petition on change.org? When Trump gets elected in 24, make AJ press secretary. That'd be the greatest thing in the entire world |
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Posted: 8/6/2022 11:08:15 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Well you heard wrong. CNN settled with Sandmann for an undisclosed amount. As did NBC. And the Washington Post. And the cases are perfectly analogous. A media outlet spreading bullshit about innocent people which negatively impacted their lives. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I heard his case was thrown out. I also don't think the cases are comparable. Well you heard wrong. CNN settled with Sandmann for an undisclosed amount. As did NBC. And the Washington Post. And the cases are perfectly analogous. A media outlet spreading bullshit about innocent people which negatively impacted their lives. https://www.dailywire.com/news/nick-sandmann-responds-after-judge-tosses-lawsuits-against-5-media-companies U.S. District Judge William O. Bertelsman on Tuesday dismissed Sandmann's lawsuits against The New York Times, CBS News, ABC News, Gannett, and Rolling Stone magazine. |
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Posted: 8/6/2022 11:08:20 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: And those accusations, which he apologized for and said he was wrong, how did they hurt those families other than their feelings You mean aside from the death threats and constant harassment? |
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Posted: 8/6/2022 11:08:52 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Cause they attacked a kid with lies on a specific and personal basis. Doing damage to him calling him a racist among other things. During the height of hot button racism dog whistle. What jones did was not what they did. He was wrong. Did he stop them from earning future wages? Did he cause them to be ostracized by an entire nation of woke sheep? So you admit calling a kid a racist in front of a national audience equates to “damages”. But somehow calling the parents of murdered children crisis actors in front of a national audience, doesn’t. Alex Jones mocking a parent for holding their child with a bullet hole in its head as a crisis actor which resulted in years of harassment and death threats isn’t “damages”. Got it. |
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Posted: 8/6/2022 11:09:57 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You mean aside from the death threats and constant harassment? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: And those accusations, which he apologized for and said he was wrong, how did they hurt those families other than their feelings You mean aside from the death threats and constant harassment? Oh I missed where Alex Jones did that. When was that? Because what his fans do, isn't his responsibility. |
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Posted: 8/6/2022 11:10:49 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I mostly agree with you. I am not sure what he did to them to prevent them from earning a living. Meanwhile Sandmann was untouchable until the truth started to surface and even then they denied him and painted him as a racist. Their claim that these events, Sandmann and Sandy Hook are equal is complete and utter bullshit. Neither was a good thing though. Damages don’t have to be monetary, and liability does exist for causing emotional distress. This is basic stuff Lug. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intentional_infliction_of_emotional_distress |
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Posted: 8/6/2022 11:12:20 PM EDT
[#36]
Quote HistoryQuoted: No, You're wrong, he heard right. https://www.dailywire.com/news/nick-sandmann-responds-after-judge-tosses-lawsuits-against-5-media-companies Dateline July 28 Well how about that. I’ll stand corrected. |
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Posted: 8/6/2022 11:12:24 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Can we start a petition on change.org? When Trump gets elected in 24, make AJ press secretary. That'd be the greatest thing in the entire world Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I think a lot of times where people talk past each other are the more difficult issues. I mean Sandman was mentioned and that's definitely a news outlet, right? I think we would agree it is, for sure. Also generally speaking people are allowed their opinion. I mean I can say I don't like NBCMarine because he's espouses Russian talking points and I'm fine. So where does Alex Jones fit in? And that's legit up for debate and I don't have an answer. Everyone seems to have an opinion on everything but there's no real standard. The left said Andy Ngo isn't a journalist, I have no opinion either way on that. Rachel Maddow successfully avoided a defamation lawsuit by saying "Are you kidding me? Anyone who thinks I'm news is retarded." And won. Which is basically kinda what Alex is saying. So is anyone who picks up a camera a reporter? Maybe you need to make money from it? But if money is the test, then does a super chat donation count? If no, what amount of money makes it count? With both sides running very obvious opinion pieces, how does that factor into liability for a news organization? Can they have no opinion pieces? If they can have opinion pieces are they protected but news anchors are not? If Jones is clearly just a water filter peddling shill, should he be treated as a news organization? There's a lot of larger problems at work here, and honestly I'm not really sure what the answer is. Hold my beer watch this. Alex Jones Jesse Ventura 2024. No no Alex Jones as press secretary would be the best Can we start a petition on change.org? When Trump gets elected in 24, make AJ press secretary. That'd be the greatest thing in the entire world |
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Posted: 8/6/2022 11:12:36 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So you admit calling a kid a racist in front of a national audience equates to “damages”. But somehow calling the parents of murdered children crisis actors in front of a national audience, doesn’t. Alex Jones mocking a parent for holding their child with a bullet hole in its head as a crisis actor which resulted in years of harassment and death threats isn’t “damages”. Got it. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Cause they attacked a kid with lies on a specific and personal basis. Doing damage to him calling him a racist among other things. During the height of hot button racism dog whistle. What jones did was not what they did. He was wrong. Did he stop them from earning future wages? Did he cause them to be ostracized by an entire nation of woke sheep? So you admit calling a kid a racist in front of a national audience equates to “damages”. But somehow calling the parents of murdered children crisis actors in front of a national audience, doesn’t. Alex Jones mocking a parent for holding their child with a bullet hole in its head as a crisis actor which resulted in years of harassment and death threats isn’t “damages”. Got it. No, it's just a shitty thing to say. And AJ didn't come up with the sandy hook theories. He read articles and talked to people who talked about the crisis actors and whatnot. To me, the biggest difference between AJ and sandman is that AJ apologized multiple times and said he was wrong. That never happened with sandman or Rittenhouse |
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Posted: 8/6/2022 11:12:45 PM EDT
[#39]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Can we start a petition on change.org? When Trump gets elected in 24, make AJ press secretary. That'd be the greatest thing in the entire world Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I think a lot of times where people talk past each other are the more difficult issues. I mean Sandman was mentioned and that's definitely a news outlet, right? I think we would agree it is, for sure. Also generally speaking people are allowed their opinion. I mean I can say I don't like NBCMarine because he's espouses Russian talking points and I'm fine. So where does Alex Jones fit in? And that's legit up for debate and I don't have an answer. Everyone seems to have an opinion on everything but there's no real standard. The left said Andy Ngo isn't a journalist, I have no opinion either way on that. Rachel Maddow successfully avoided a defamation lawsuit by saying "Are you kidding me? Anyone who thinks I'm news is retarded." And won. Which is basically kinda what Alex is saying. So is anyone who picks up a camera a reporter? Maybe you need to make money from it? But if money is the test, then does a super chat donation count? If no, what amount of money makes it count? With both sides running very obvious opinion pieces, how does that factor into liability for a news organization? Can they have no opinion pieces? If they can have opinion pieces are they protected but news anchors are not? If Jones is clearly just a water filter peddling shill, should he be treated as a news organization? There's a lot of larger problems at work here, and honestly I'm not really sure what the answer is. Hold my beer watch this. Alex Jones Jesse Ventura 2024. No no Alex Jones as press secretary would be the best Can we start a petition on change.org? When Trump gets elected in 24, make AJ press secretary. That'd be the greatest thing in the entire world I think Trump is beyond shitpost phase and seems to be developing coherent plans. This will make stuff a lot less fun if he gets reelected. Thankfully he himself is still ridiculous. But all the turmoil I loved. Think about it, this guy just shitposts populist stream of consciousness while at the same time the government hates him so (except for covid money printing and judicial appointments) nothing gets done I'm telling you this will be a cool thing to have lived through depending on who writes the history books. Even an objective view on Trump would be interesting to read in 2100 |
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Posted: 8/6/2022 11:12:55 PM EDT
[#40]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Oh I missed where Alex Jones did that. When was that? Because what his fans do, isn't his responsibility.  Are you capable of following a train of thought from A to B to C? Alex Jones made false statements. "OH but its not like those people suffered any consequences as a result!" "Yes, they did. People made death threats and constantly harrassed them on the basis of those statements." "YEAH, but JONES didn't make those threats!" Jesus Fucking Christ. |
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Posted: 8/6/2022 11:13:50 PM EDT
[#41]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Well how about that. I’ll stand corrected. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: No, You're wrong, he heard right. https://www.dailywire.com/news/nick-sandmann-responds-after-judge-tosses-lawsuits-against-5-media-companies Dateline July 28 Well how about that. I’ll stand corrected. I thought I heard that correctly. I heard it on..... Infowars. Lmao |
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Posted: 8/6/2022 11:13:52 PM EDT
[#42]
Quote HistoryQuoted: No no Alex Jones as press secretary would be the best Glorious! |
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Posted: 8/6/2022 11:14:42 PM EDT
[#43]
Everyone is going to scroll by my Block post about how you don't own your reputation, but it's a really interesting position to consider.
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Posted: 8/6/2022 11:15:15 PM EDT
[#44]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Are you capable of following a train of thought from A to B to C? Alex Jones made false statements. "OH but its not like those people suffered any consequences as a result!" "Yes, they did. People made death threats and constantly harrassed them on the basis of those statements." "YEAH, but JONES didn't make those threats!" Jesus Fucking Christ. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Oh I missed where Alex Jones did that. When was that? Because what his fans do, isn't his responsibility. Are you capable of following a train of thought from A to B to C? Alex Jones made false statements. "OH but its not like those people suffered any consequences as a result!" "Yes, they did. People made death threats and constantly harrassed them on the basis of those statements." "YEAH, but JONES didn't make those threats!" Jesus Fucking Christ. Lol calm down. I don't agree with you. I didn't kick your dog |
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Posted: 8/6/2022 11:15:20 PM EDT
[#45]
Quote HistoryQuoted: So you admit calling a kid a racist in front of a national audience equates to "damages". But somehow calling the parents of murdered children crisis actors in front of a national audience, doesn't. Alex Jones mocking a parent for holding their child with a bullet hole in its head as a crisis actor which resulted in years of harassment and death threats isn't "damages". Got it. When they lie about him that causes him to be untouchable and a pariah by an entire nation, because that is what happened to Sandmann. NOBODY wanted anything to do with that kid. EVERY LIBERAL branded him racist. His future was bleak. But you have a tendency to write narratives that fit your way of thinking, and to mask any real facts that could also be entered. Please show me how the country responded in kind to the parents who were wronged by Alex Jones bullshit. Further more, enter into evidence as stated earlier, how those very parents were putting themselves out there with public opinions on gun control on many news outlets. Who's to say their woes came from AJ and not their own vitriol against gun rights. I don't know. But you will make up some gibberish to try to make this story lean your way again, excluding every fact that might counterpoint your opinion.  |
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Posted: 8/6/2022 11:15:47 PM EDT
[#46]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Everyone is going to scroll by my Block post about how you don't own your reputation, but it's a really interesting position to consider. I read it. It is an interesting opinion, though it’s not one I share. |
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Posted: 8/6/2022 11:17:43 PM EDT
[#47]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Damages don't have to be monetary, and liability does exist for causing emotional distress. This is basic stuff Lug. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intentional_infliction_of_emotional_distress |
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Posted: 8/6/2022 11:18:29 PM EDT
[#48]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Well how about that. I'll stand corrected. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: No, You're wrong, he heard right. https://www.dailywire.com/news/nick-sandmann-responds-after-judge-tosses-lawsuits-against-5-media-companies Dateline July 28 Well how about that. I'll stand corrected.  And you admitted it..... 
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Posted: 8/6/2022 11:19:07 PM EDT
[#49]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Lol calm down. I don't agree with you. I didn't kick your dog No, you don't agree with reality in a 5 fucking minute sequence. Its not like we went down a deep dark rabbit hole where the original argument got muddied with 16 different rabbit trails. A. To B. To C. You blew the tracks with an idiot bomb and derailed the train before it got to C. |
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Posted: 8/6/2022 11:19:20 PM EDT
[#50]
Quote HistoryQuoted: NO.....follow slowly, sound it out so you get it right. When they lie about him that causes him to be untouchable and a pariah by an entire nation, because that is what happened to Sandmann. NOBODY wanted anything to do with that kid. EVERY LIBERAL branded him racist. His future was bleak. But you have a tendency to write narratives that fit your way of thinking, and to mask any real facts that could also be entered. Please show me how the country responded in kind to the parents who were wronged by Alex Jones bullshit. Further more, enter into evidence as stated earlier, how those very parents were putting themselves out there with public opinions on gun control on many news outlets. Who's to say their woes came from AJ and not their own vitriol against gun rights. I don't know. But you will make up some gibberish to try to make this story lean your way again, excluding every fact that might counterpoint your opinion. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: So you admit calling a kid a racist in front of a national audience equates to "damages". But somehow calling the parents of murdered children crisis actors in front of a national audience, doesn't. Alex Jones mocking a parent for holding their child with a bullet hole in its head as a crisis actor which resulted in years of harassment and death threats isn't "damages". Got it. When they lie about him that causes him to be untouchable and a pariah by an entire nation, because that is what happened to Sandmann. NOBODY wanted anything to do with that kid. EVERY LIBERAL branded him racist. His future was bleak. But you have a tendency to write narratives that fit your way of thinking, and to mask any real facts that could also be entered. Please show me how the country responded in kind to the parents who were wronged by Alex Jones bullshit. Further more, enter into evidence as stated earlier, how those very parents were putting themselves out there with public opinions on gun control on many news outlets. Who's to say their woes came from AJ and not their own vitriol against gun rights. I don't know. But you will make up some gibberish to try to make this story lean your way again, excluding every fact that might counterpoint your opinion. That's a good point about them going on tv talking about guns. I didn't consider that as a possible reason they'd receive threats. I wonder if that was brought up in court, oh yea, they didn't even give him a chance to defend himself, that's right. |
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