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Posted: 1/27/2020 9:41:49 PM EDT
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There seems to be a divide in Battle Buddies theory. One, where we just head out to the woods and have fun hiking with good friends and get in shape, or the other where we stress/emphasize rankings/classes/certifications and the like. I feel like we need to come together a bit for ABB to ever get off the ground. Too loosey-goosey-hiking-fun-time and we'll lose hardchargers with practical skills. Too BoyScouts-esque ridged curriculum and beauracracy and we'll lose a large segment of good folks just looking to improve things. I really want this program to get off the ground guys.. but I'm worried that if y'all take a beaurocratic structured approach to this, you'll kill the fun that this could be, and thus kill off potential membership. Let's try to meet in the middle, at least in regards to a ABB basic premise. Edit for personal example: I would love to join protus's group, sounds like a blast! On the flipside, I would avoid sparticus/ben's group like the plague. No offense intended. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Exactly what you've hear me preach when i hosted the hikes in the past. Shiw up, hike. Do it as heavy,as light as slow as you want. But do it. You'll meet cool folks and learn stuff. Not just about your gear but what works for you and what doesnt. Hell... ill host a hike a be dragging ass but having fun...way it should be. No reason to get hung up on badges,flair or ranks, etc etc. Go and have fun. Quoted:
@Ben question about qualification: Does the 3 miles of hiking with a 25/35lbs. pack for Provisional rating qualify towards the cumulative "18 miles of qualifying hike distance" total for 3rd Class rating? c.3rd Class 1.In order to achieve a 3rd Class rating, a Provisional member must; -Within 90 days of their first hike, complete at least two additional hikes, each covering a minimum of 6 miles while maintaining an average pace of no less than 3mph (including any rest time), -Have completed cumulatively 18 miles of qualifying hike distance, not including any hikes of a distance less than 3 miles, and -Complete the above 3rd Class requirements while carrying a minimum 35lbs pack (dry weight, excluding water) and long gun, or 45lbs pack without long gun (Standard Hike Conditions). I feel like we need to come together a bit for ABB to ever get off the ground. Too loosey-goosey-hiking-fun-time and we'll lose hardchargers with practical skills. Too BoyScouts-esque ridged curriculum and beauracracy and we'll lose a large segment of good folks just looking to improve things. I really want this program to get off the ground guys.. but I'm worried that if y'all take a beaurocratic structured approach to this, you'll kill the fun that this could be, and thus kill off potential membership. Let's try to meet in the middle, at least in regards to a ABB basic premise. Edit for personal example: I would love to join protus's group, sounds like a blast! On the flipside, I would avoid sparticus/ben's group like the plague. No offense intended. Me and @bayeagle ( and others) have history. Long before VBB or ABB was a dream...a lone Florida man used to host hikes. Only the hardcore best of the best billy goat eating types would show up...kinda lol Meanwhile GD was to busy fighting over the type of " satchel " jack bauer used and will smiths pants in " i am legend ". But meanwhile...brave men trudged through central Florida scrub lands in August.....slept under tarps in 20f temps......while others slept in the coolness of HVAC controlled environments and shitted on a warm seat. My outlook comes from those events. Im stoked to see that the current climate is getting folks off thier asses and networking and pulling together.. In glad younger guys are getting it going. We all dont have to agree on everything. But what we do need is for guys to step up. Show up to hikes/events. Host ones in thier area and get to know your fellow arfcomrs. Dont try to cause a riff using my qoute to bayeagleto your benifit. Eta: Yeah added a lil flair to it..but damn if arf didnt jizz over will smiths pants...lol |
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Posted: 1/27/2020 9:44:28 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: There seems to be a divide in Battle Buddies theory. One, where we just head out to the woods and have fun hiking with good friends to get in shape and learn or the flipside where we stress/emphasize rankings/classes/certifications/merit badges and the like. I feel like we need to come together a bit for ABB to ever get off the ground. Too loosey-goosey-hiking-fun-time and we'll lose hardchargers with practical skills. Too BoyScouts-esque ridged curriculum and beauracracy and we'll lose a large segment of good folks just looking to improve things. I really want this program to get off the ground guys.. but I'm worried that if y'all take a beaurocratic structured approach to this, you'll kill the fun that this could be, and thus kill off potential membership. Let's try to meet in the middle, at least in regards to a ABB basic premise. Edit for personal example: I would love to join protus's group, sounds like a blast! On the flipside, I would avoid sparticus/ben's group like the plague. Im sure others may feel the opposite. No offense intended. |
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Posted: 1/27/2020 9:51:33 PM EDT
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Use this as an opportunity to find people:
1. at similar fitness levels to train with. 2. people with technical/tactical skills to learn from. 3. people of like mind to be friends with. 4. insert benefit here. Stop worrying about where you will rate. Fuck. I think people over complicate things just so they don’t have to commit. |
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Posted: 1/27/2020 9:51:48 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryI would love to join protus's group, sounds like a blast... while I would avoid sparticus/ben's group like the plague. Im sure others may feel the opposite. No offense intended. I'm in 100%. Took my backpack out for another walk today - I'm 50 and had a heart attack 2 years ago and I easily beat down the provisional times. We can do this! |
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Posted: 1/27/2020 9:54:17 PM EDT
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Um. Hold up skippy. Me and @bayeagle ( and others) have history. Long before VBB or ABB was a dream...a lone Florida man used to host hikes. Only the hardcore best of the best billy goat eating types would show up...kinda lol Meanwhile GD was to busy fighting over the type of " satchel " jack bauer used and will smiths pants in " i am legend ". But meanwhile...brave men trudged through central Florida scrub lands in August.....slept under tarps in 20f temps......while others slept in the coolness of HVAC controlled environments and shitted on a warm seat. My outlook comes from those events. Im stoked to see that the current climate is getting folks off thier asses and networking and pulling together.. In glad younger guys are getting it going. We all dont have to agree on everything. But what we do need is for guys to step up. Show up to hikes/events. Host ones in thier area and get to know your fellow arfcomrs. Dont try to cause a riff using my qoute to bayeagleto your benifit. Someone who clicks on this thread is immediately bombarded with rankings/classes/certifications and grading criteria, which may be prudent, but can also be a bit too much for the average guy to want to invest in right off the bat. All that I'm trying to say is that ABB needs to appeal to all personality types, not just the mission-oriented alphas. I worry that ABB is limiting our pledge pool by narrowly focusing on institutional burocracy. To what degree said beauracracy is prudent is what I'm trying to figure out. Don't feel like I'm hating on this concept, I just think it can be tweaked a bit to garner more support that's all. |
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Posted: 1/27/2020 9:54:50 PM EDT
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Use this as an opportunity to find people: 1. at similar fitness levels to train with. 2. people with technical/tactical skills to learn from. 3. people of like mind to be friends with. 4. insert benefit here. Stop worrying about where you will rate. Fuck. I think people over complicate things just so they don't have to commit. Stop making excuses. Get out there and join a group and give what you can. If it doesn't work out create a new group that's more to your liking - just KEEP MOVING AND IMPROVING! |
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Posted: 1/27/2020 9:55:08 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: There seems to be a divide in Battle Buddies theory. One, where we just head out to the woods and have fun hiking with good friends to get in shape and learn or the other where we stress/emphasize rankings/classes/certifications/merit badges and the like. I feel like we need to come together a bit for ABB to ever get off the ground. Too loosey-goosey-hiking-fun-time and we'll lose hardchargers with practical skills. Too BoyScouts-esque ridged curriculum and beauracracy and we'll lose a large segment of good folks just looking to improve things. I really want this program to get off the ground guys.. but I'm worried that if y'all take a beaurocratic structured approach to this, you'll kill the fun that this could be, and thus kill off potential membership. Let's try to meet in the middle, at least in regards to a ABB basic premise. Edit for personal example: I would love to join protus's group, sounds like a blast! On the flipside, I would avoid sparticus/ben's group like the plague. No offense intended. 
But you do bring up a good point. I had sort of assumed that a group would end up having both types of guys in it and it would work out alright. The hard chargers could do their thing and the more casual guys could do theirs, but most of it would still happen as a group. But I also have a theory that a guy who shows up thinking that he's going to be pretty casual about it will start to get more serious when he sees the other cool stuff that's going on and gets some good natured, friendly, peer pressure that encourages him to step outside of his comfort zone. I guess in order for this to work they'd have to be at least a few guys in each subgroup or I think your concerns would prove to be true, though. But at the end of the day I'm just speculating since I don't have any experience with a Battle Buddies group. I'm more of the hard charger type and I love setting goals, pushing myself, learning new skills, being a badass dude, etc., but not to the extent that I take myself too seriously or don't like to have fun. The problem is that I can't get any of my local friends to do basically anything. I can maybe get them to put together an AR or buy a Baofeng radio, but learning to shoot the AR or learning to use the radio are pretty much out of the question. Actually having to DO something is too much for them. This bums me out. I left Virginia thinking "I need battle buddies". The cool thing is that a whole lot of other people left the rally thinking the exact same thing. Hence the existence of this thread and all the other ones popping up in the HTF. I need to make friends with guys who aren't afraid of physical activity, discomfort, learning new things, etc. I really want this to get off the ground, too. This is cool stuff. |
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Posted: 1/27/2020 10:09:47 PM EDT
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Learning new stuff is fun.
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Posted: 1/27/2020 10:11:36 PM EDT
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I am afraid that the "get both" attitude may hurt the program.
You can't make everyone happy every time but you can piss everyone off all the time... There needs to be a set construct and those that are interested will come to it if they are interested. Cola Warrior is prime example. It isn't watered down to make everyone happy, in fact the crowd that participates does not want it watered down and failing is part of the game. That crowd NEVER complains about it being to hard and always just say next time I will "suck less". I am in the "well that sucked, next time I will strive to suck less" kind of guy. The other type of crowd is all... |
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Posted: 1/27/2020 10:13:33 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: We have found a bit of concern about an ambitious program in SC. I don't know where to go with it right now. It sounds like the hiking may just be too much for some folks to tackle. I see that as a cornerstone of the BB program. Fitness. |
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Posted: 1/27/2020 10:19:48 PM EDT
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We have found a bit of concern about an ambitious program in SC. I don't know where to go with it right now. It sounds like the hiking may just be too much for some folks to tackle. I see that as a cornerstone of the BB program. Fitness. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: There seems to be a divide in Battle Buddies theory. One, where we just head out to the woods and have fun hiking with good friends to get in shape and learn or the flipside where we stress/emphasize rankings/classes/certifications/merit badges and the like. I feel like we need to come together a bit for ABB to ever get off the ground. Too loosey-goosey-hiking-fun-time and we'll lose hardchargers with practical skills. Too BoyScouts-esque ridged curriculum and beauracracy and we'll lose a large segment of good folks just looking to improve things. I really want this program to get off the ground guys.. but I'm worried that if y'all take a beaurocratic structured approach to this, you'll kill the fun that this could be, and thus kill off potential membership. Let's try to meet in the middle, at least in regards to a ABB basic premise. Edit for personal example: I would love to join protus's group, sounds like a blast! On the flipside, I would avoid sparticus/ben's group like the plague. Im sure others may feel the opposite. No offense intended. Let’s get a date and set up the hike. If we lead others may follow. Over thinking things and trying to be everything to everyone is impossible. If we can get the ball rolling good things will happen and I honestly think everyone with a desire to precipitate will find their place. |
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Posted: 1/27/2020 10:21:29 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Erik I’ve been think about it as far as SC goes. Let’s get a date and set up the hike. If we lead others may follow. Over thinking things and trying to be everything to everyone is impossible. If we can get the ball rolling good things will happen and I honestly think everyone with a desire to precipitate will find their place. |
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Posted: 1/27/2020 10:29:42 PM EDT
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I am afraid that the "get both" attitude may hurt the program. You can't make everyone happy every time but you can piss everyone off all the time... There needs to be a set construct and those that are interested will come to it if they are interested. Cola Warrior is prime example. It isn't watered down to make everyone happy, in fact the crowd that participates does not want it watered down and failing is part of the game. That crowd NEVER complains about it being to hard and always just say next time I will "suck less". I am in the "well that sucked, next time I will strive to suck less" kind of guy. The other type of crowd is all... But you don’t have to wait until you are “x” fit to try. You will just suffer more. |
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Posted: 1/27/2020 10:31:30 PM EDT
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Not trying to cause a riff my friend, honestly. I just want this program to succeed. I'm afraid that if ABB becomes too structured it will overwhelm the guy with a casual interest, and thus be closed off to the idea right off the bat. Someone who clicks on this thread is immediately bombarded with rankings/classes/certifications and grading criteria, which may be prudent, but can also be a bit too much for the average guy to want to invest in right off the bat. All that I'm trying to say is that ABB needs to appeal to all personality types, not just the mission-oriented alphas. I worry that ABB is limiting our pledge pool by narrowly focusing on institutional burocracy. To what degree said beauracracy is prudent is what I'm trying to figure out. Don't feel like I'm hating on this concept, I just think it can be tweaked a bit to garner more support that's all. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Um. Hold up skippy. Me and @bayeagle ( and others) have history. Long before VBB or ABB was a dream...a lone Florida man used to host hikes. Only the hardcore best of the best billy goat eating types would show up...kinda lol Meanwhile GD was to busy fighting over the type of " satchel " jack bauer used and will smiths pants in " i am legend ". But meanwhile...brave men trudged through central Florida scrub lands in August.....slept under tarps in 20f temps......while others slept in the coolness of HVAC controlled environments and shitted on a warm seat. My outlook comes from those events. Im stoked to see that the current climate is getting folks off thier asses and networking and pulling together.. In glad younger guys are getting it going. We all dont have to agree on everything. But what we do need is for guys to step up. Show up to hikes/events. Host ones in thier area and get to know your fellow arfcomrs. Dont try to cause a riff using my qoute to bayeagleto your benifit. Someone who clicks on this thread is immediately bombarded with rankings/classes/certifications and grading criteria, which may be prudent, but can also be a bit too much for the average guy to want to invest in right off the bat. All that I'm trying to say is that ABB needs to appeal to all personality types, not just the mission-oriented alphas. I worry that ABB is limiting our pledge pool by narrowly focusing on institutional burocracy. To what degree said beauracracy is prudent is what I'm trying to figure out. Don't feel like I'm hating on this concept, I just think it can be tweaked a bit to garner more support that's all. I could be wrong though. |
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Posted: 1/27/2020 10:40:26 PM EDT
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It would be pretty cool if folks could stop projecting their unfounded concerns. Many guys who have been in on it for awhile have told you how it is.
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Posted: 1/27/2020 10:40:55 PM EDT
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I am afraid that the "get both" attitude may hurt the program. You can't make everyone happy every time but you can piss everyone off all the time... There needs to be a set construct and those that are interested will come to it if they are interested. Cola Warrior is prime example. It isn't watered down to make everyone happy, in fact the crowd that participates does not want it watered down and failing is part of the game. That crowd NEVER complains about it being to hard and always just say next time I will "suck less". I am in the "well that sucked, next time I will strive to suck less" kind of guy. The other type of crowd is all... I guess the point that I've been trying to make in my last few posts (which may have seemed like I was arguing for a warmer, fuzzier, Battle Buddies) was that people who aren't sold on the idea should still show up and give it a shot because I think they'd be motivated to "suck less" when they see what's going on. And that there might also be a place in ABB for folks who can't meet the standard but still want to help. Since meeting people/networking/getting people working together is also a goal of the ABB I think it's good to encourage folks to come see what it's all about. |
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Posted: 1/27/2020 10:41:13 PM EDT
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Maybe this isn't the group for people with a casual interest. To me, it comes off as a pretty serious group of people trying to get together and actually work. Not to meet up, sit around and drink beer all day talking about bullshit. I could be wrong though. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Um. Hold up skippy. Me and @bayeagle ( and others) have history. Long before VBB or ABB was a dream...a lone Florida man used to host hikes. Only the hardcore best of the best billy goat eating types would show up...kinda lol Meanwhile GD was to busy fighting over the type of " satchel " jack bauer used and will smiths pants in " i am legend ". But meanwhile...brave men trudged through central Florida scrub lands in August.....slept under tarps in 20f temps......while others slept in the coolness of HVAC controlled environments and shitted on a warm seat. My outlook comes from those events. Im stoked to see that the current climate is getting folks off thier asses and networking and pulling together.. In glad younger guys are getting it going. We all dont have to agree on everything. But what we do need is for guys to step up. Show up to hikes/events. Host ones in thier area and get to know your fellow arfcomrs. Dont try to cause a riff using my qoute to bayeagleto your benifit. Someone who clicks on this thread is immediately bombarded with rankings/classes/certifications and grading criteria, which may be prudent, but can also be a bit too much for the average guy to want to invest in right off the bat. All that I'm trying to say is that ABB needs to appeal to all personality types, not just the mission-oriented alphas. I worry that ABB is limiting our pledge pool by narrowly focusing on institutional burocracy. To what degree said beauracracy is prudent is what I'm trying to figure out. Don't feel like I'm hating on this concept, I just think it can be tweaked a bit to garner more support that's all. I could be wrong though. |
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Posted: 1/27/2020 10:44:12 PM EDT
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There seems to be a divide in Battle Buddies theory. One, where we just head out to the woods and have fun hiking with good friends to get in shape and learn or the flipside where we stress/emphasize rankings/classes/certifications/merit badges and the like. I feel like we need to come together a bit for ABB to ever get off the ground. Too loosey-goosey-hiking-fun-time and we'll lose hardchargers with practical skills. Too BoyScouts-esque ridged curriculum and beauracracy and we'll lose a large segment of good folks just looking to improve things. I really want this program to get off the ground guys.. but I'm worried that if y'all take a beaurocratic structured approach to this, you'll kill the fun that this could be, and thus kill off potential membership. Let's try to meet in the middle, at least in regards to a ABB basic premise. Edit for personal example: I would love to join protus's group, sounds like a blast... while I would avoid sparticus/ben's group like the plague. Im sure others may feel the opposite. No offense intended. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Exactly what you've hear me preach when i hosted the hikes in the past. Shiw up, hike. Do it as heavy,as light as slow as you want. But do it. You'll meet cool folks and learn stuff. Not just about your gear but what works for you and what doesnt. Hell... ill host a hike a be dragging ass but having fun...way it should be. No reason to get hung up on badges,flair or ranks, etc etc. Go and have fun. Quoted:
@Ben question about qualification: Does the 3 miles of hiking with a 25/35lbs. pack for Provisional rating qualify towards the cumulative "18 miles of qualifying hike distance" total for 3rd Class rating? c.3rd Class 1.In order to achieve a 3rd Class rating, a Provisional member must; -Within 90 days of their first hike, complete at least two additional hikes, each covering a minimum of 6 miles while maintaining an average pace of no less than 3mph (including any rest time), -Have completed cumulatively 18 miles of qualifying hike distance, not including any hikes of a distance less than 3 miles, and -Complete the above 3rd Class requirements while carrying a minimum 35lbs pack (dry weight, excluding water) and long gun, or 45lbs pack without long gun (Standard Hike Conditions). I feel like we need to come together a bit for ABB to ever get off the ground. Too loosey-goosey-hiking-fun-time and we'll lose hardchargers with practical skills. Too BoyScouts-esque ridged curriculum and beauracracy and we'll lose a large segment of good folks just looking to improve things. I really want this program to get off the ground guys.. but I'm worried that if y'all take a beaurocratic structured approach to this, you'll kill the fun that this could be, and thus kill off potential membership. Let's try to meet in the middle, at least in regards to a ABB basic premise. Edit for personal example: I would love to join protus's group, sounds like a blast... while I would avoid sparticus/ben's group like the plague. Im sure others may feel the opposite. No offense intended. Quoted:
Seems to me this can be taken as seriously or lightly as one desires. I imagined the general tone will be set on a group by group basis, but the framework laid out looks like it will work pretty well for the varying levels of commitment we’re sure to see. *it's not really 'stagnation' if you're still actively engaged with the group, just not climbing ranks diligently Scouts had all those manuals, which made it easy for folks to both set up groups per their fancy within a set framework, as well as for kids to progress through the structured stuff even if the troop wasn't similarly focused; Ben & the rest are working on similar published guidelines as we speak, and this thread is kind of the first edition. Once the rules are 'settled' for a bit & there's less uncertainty, I imagine it will become easier & easier for folks to join in. |
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Posted: 1/27/2020 10:48:44 PM EDT
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Maybe this isn't the group for people with a casual interest. To me, it comes off as a pretty serious group of people trying to get together and actually work. Not to meet up, sit around and drink beer all day talking about bullshit. I could be wrong though. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Um. Hold up skippy. Me and @bayeagle ( and others) have history. Long before VBB or ABB was a dream...a lone Florida man used to host hikes. Only the hardcore best of the best billy goat eating types would show up...kinda lol Meanwhile GD was to busy fighting over the type of " satchel " jack bauer used and will smiths pants in " i am legend ". But meanwhile...brave men trudged through central Florida scrub lands in August.....slept under tarps in 20f temps......while others slept in the coolness of HVAC controlled environments and shitted on a warm seat. My outlook comes from those events. Im stoked to see that the current climate is getting folks off thier asses and networking and pulling together.. In glad younger guys are getting it going. We all dont have to agree on everything. But what we do need is for guys to step up. Show up to hikes/events. Host ones in thier area and get to know your fellow arfcomrs. Dont try to cause a riff using my qoute to bayeagleto your benifit. Someone who clicks on this thread is immediately bombarded with rankings/classes/certifications and grading criteria, which may be prudent, but can also be a bit too much for the average guy to want to invest in right off the bat. All that I'm trying to say is that ABB needs to appeal to all personality types, not just the mission-oriented alphas. I worry that ABB is limiting our pledge pool by narrowly focusing on institutional burocracy. To what degree said beauracracy is prudent is what I'm trying to figure out. Don't feel like I'm hating on this concept, I just think it can be tweaked a bit to garner more support that's all. I could be wrong though. I argue that it doesn't have to be one or the other... but if ABB turns into former and not the latter, I wouldn't be suprised if we had a comparatively small following. If we really are trying to improve readiness, preparedness and 2A proficincy through group support, it seems like we would want numbers on our side. Otherwise ABB is just an enthusiest's hobby group. I know my opinion is loathed here, but take what I have to say in consideration that's all. It'd be a shame if guys dismissed the idea of ABB as crossfitting boyscouts with guns, as it has the potential to do great things for everyone. We just have to be cautious not to become "bros"
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Posted: 1/27/2020 10:52:41 PM EDT
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I guess it just boils down to what the core principles of ABB really is. Either a smaller cadre of devoted enthusiasts, or a larger yet less capable group. I argue that it doesn't have to be one or the other... but if ABB turns into former and not the latter, I wouldn't be suprised if we had a comparatively small following. If we really are trying to improve readiness, preparedness and 2A proficincy through group support, it seems like we would want numbers on our side. Otherwise ABB is just an enthusiest's hobby group. I know my opinion is loathed here, but take what I have to say in consideration that's all. It'd be a shame if guys dismissed the idea of ABB as crossfitting boyscouts with guns, as it has the potential to do great things for everyone. We just have to be cautious not to become "bros" Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Um. Hold up skippy. Me and @bayeagle ( and others) have history. Long before VBB or ABB was a dream...a lone Florida man used to host hikes. Only the hardcore best of the best billy goat eating types would show up...kinda lol Meanwhile GD was to busy fighting over the type of " satchel " jack bauer used and will smiths pants in " i am legend ". But meanwhile...brave men trudged through central Florida scrub lands in August.....slept under tarps in 20f temps......while others slept in the coolness of HVAC controlled environments and shitted on a warm seat. My outlook comes from those events. Im stoked to see that the current climate is getting folks off thier asses and networking and pulling together.. In glad younger guys are getting it going. We all dont have to agree on everything. But what we do need is for guys to step up. Show up to hikes/events. Host ones in thier area and get to know your fellow arfcomrs. Dont try to cause a riff using my qoute to bayeagleto your benifit. Someone who clicks on this thread is immediately bombarded with rankings/classes/certifications and grading criteria, which may be prudent, but can also be a bit too much for the average guy to want to invest in right off the bat. All that I'm trying to say is that ABB needs to appeal to all personality types, not just the mission-oriented alphas. I worry that ABB is limiting our pledge pool by narrowly focusing on institutional burocracy. To what degree said beauracracy is prudent is what I'm trying to figure out. Don't feel like I'm hating on this concept, I just think it can be tweaked a bit to garner more support that's all. I could be wrong though. I argue that it doesn't have to be one or the other... but if ABB turns into former and not the latter, I wouldn't be suprised if we had a comparatively small following. If we really are trying to improve readiness, preparedness and 2A proficincy through group support, it seems like we would want numbers on our side. Otherwise ABB is just an enthusiest's hobby group. I know my opinion is loathed here, but take what I have to say in consideration that's all. It'd be a shame if guys dismissed the idea of ABB as crossfitting boyscouts with guns, as it has the potential to do great things for everyone. We just have to be cautious not to become "bros" IMO it should strive for excellence, not participation. |
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Posted: 1/27/2020 10:58:26 PM EDT
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Link to my trying to get something going in North Alabama..wish me luck.
https://www.ar15.com/forums/hometown/Battle-Buddies--Wanna-try-/31-640490/&page=1&anc=7049416#i7049416 |
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Posted: 1/27/2020 11:01:03 PM EDT
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I'll let you guys fret over the details. There's already a local group forming in the KY HTF. Whenever it's time I'm just going to show up and participate.
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Posted: 1/27/2020 11:05:03 PM EDT
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Um. Hold up skippy. Me and @bayeagle ( and others) have history. Long before VBB or ABB was a dream...a lone Florida man used to host hikes. Only the hardcore best of the best billy goat eating types would show up...kinda lol Meanwhile GD was to busy fighting over the type of " satchel " jack bauer used and will smiths pants in " i am legend ". But meanwhile...brave men trudged through central Florida scrub lands in August.....slept under tarps in 20f temps......while others slept in the coolness of HVAC controlled environments and shitted on a warm seat. My outlook comes from those events. Im stoked to see that the current climate is getting folks off thier asses and networking and pulling together.. In glad younger guys are getting it going. We all dont have to agree on everything. But what we do need is for guys to step up. Show up to hikes/events. Host ones in thier area and get to know your fellow arfcomrs. Dont try to cause a riff using my qoute to bayeagleto your benifit. Someone who clicks on this thread is immediately bombarded with rankings/classes/certifications and grading criteria, which may be prudent, but can also be a bit too much for the average guy to want to invest in right off the bat. All that I'm trying to say is that ABB needs to appeal to all personality types, not just the mission-oriented alphas. I worry that ABB is limiting our pledge pool by narrowly focusing on institutional burocracy. To what degree said beauracracy is prudent is what I'm trying to figure out. Don't feel like I'm hating on this concept, I just think it can be tweaked a bit to garner more support that's all. I could be wrong though. I argue that it doesn't have to be one or the other... but if ABB turns into former and not the latter, I wouldn't be suprised if we had a comparatively small following. If we really are trying to improve readiness, preparedness and 2A proficincy through group support, it seems like we would want numbers on our side. Otherwise ABB is just an enthusiest's hobby group. I know my opinion is loathed here, but take what I have to say in consideration that's all. It'd be a shame if guys dismissed the idea of ABB as crossfitting boyscouts with guns, as it has the potential to do great things for everyone. We just have to be cautious not to become "bros" IMO it should strive for excellence, not participation. Both have their merits... but I still doubt it has to be one or the other. ABB can represent our community as a whole, while also retaining a internal structure for the box-checker types... similar to the boy scout post above. |
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Posted: 1/27/2020 11:09:26 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: In what capacity will ABB be more valuable to our community as a whole? As a all-ranks improvement program, or a niche enclave of enthusiasts? Both have their merits... but I still doubt it has to be one or the other. ABB can represent our community as a whole, while also retaining a internal structure for the box-checker types... similar to the boy scout post above. Look at the photos of the Rattlesnake Rally for 5 minutes. Pay attention to the men and women with yellow caution tape and Silent Brigade patches. Those folks kicked ass, took names, and many of them knew each other through the BB program. If you call that group a “nice enclave of enthusiasts” and think that’s some sort of negative, I don’t really know if you will ever be satisfied with what Ben is trying to do here. |
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Posted: 1/27/2020 11:10:05 PM EDT
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Um. Hold up skippy. Me and @bayeagle ( and others) have history. Long before VBB or ABB was a dream...a lone Florida man used to host hikes. Only the hardcore best of the best billy goat eating types would show up...kinda lol Meanwhile GD was to busy fighting over the type of " satchel " jack bauer used and will smiths pants in " i am legend ". But meanwhile...brave men trudged through central Florida scrub lands in August.....slept under tarps in 20f temps......while others slept in the coolness of HVAC controlled environments and shitted on a warm seat. My outlook comes from those events. Im stoked to see that the current climate is getting folks off thier asses and networking and pulling together.. In glad younger guys are getting it going. We all dont have to agree on everything. But what we do need is for guys to step up. Show up to hikes/events. Host ones in thier area and get to know your fellow arfcomrs. Dont try to cause a riff using my qoute to bayeagleto your benifit. Someone who clicks on this thread is immediately bombarded with rankings/classes/certifications and grading criteria, which may be prudent, but can also be a bit too much for the average guy to want to invest in right off the bat. All that I'm trying to say is that ABB needs to appeal to all personality types, not just the mission-oriented alphas. I worry that ABB is limiting our pledge pool by narrowly focusing on institutional burocracy. To what degree said beauracracy is prudent is what I'm trying to figure out. Don't feel like I'm hating on this concept, I just think it can be tweaked a bit to garner more support that's all. I could be wrong though. I argue that it doesn't have to be one or the other... but if ABB turns into former and not the latter, I wouldn't be suprised if we had a comparatively small following. If we really are trying to improve readiness, preparedness and 2A proficincy through group support, it seems like we would want numbers on our side. Otherwise ABB is just an enthusiest's hobby group. I know my opinion is loathed here, but take what I have to say in consideration that's all. It'd be a shame if guys dismissed the idea of ABB as crossfitting boyscouts with guns, as it has the potential to do great things for everyone. We just have to be cautious not to become "bros" IMO it should strive for excellence, not participation.  )
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Posted: 1/27/2020 11:10:31 PM EDT
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In what capacity will ABB be more valuable to our community as a whole? As a all-ranks improvement program, or a niche enclave of enthusiasts? Both have their merits... but I still doubt it has to be one or the other. ABB can represent our community as a whole, while also retaining a internal structure for the box-checker types... similar to the boy scout post above. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Um. Hold up skippy. Me and @bayeagle ( and others) have history. Long before VBB or ABB was a dream...a lone Florida man used to host hikes. Only the hardcore best of the best billy goat eating types would show up...kinda lol Meanwhile GD was to busy fighting over the type of " satchel " jack bauer used and will smiths pants in " i am legend ". But meanwhile...brave men trudged through central Florida scrub lands in August.....slept under tarps in 20f temps......while others slept in the coolness of HVAC controlled environments and shitted on a warm seat. My outlook comes from those events. Im stoked to see that the current climate is getting folks off thier asses and networking and pulling together.. In glad younger guys are getting it going. We all dont have to agree on everything. But what we do need is for guys to step up. Show up to hikes/events. Host ones in thier area and get to know your fellow arfcomrs. Dont try to cause a riff using my qoute to bayeagleto your benifit. Someone who clicks on this thread is immediately bombarded with rankings/classes/certifications and grading criteria, which may be prudent, but can also be a bit too much for the average guy to want to invest in right off the bat. All that I'm trying to say is that ABB needs to appeal to all personality types, not just the mission-oriented alphas. I worry that ABB is limiting our pledge pool by narrowly focusing on institutional burocracy. To what degree said beauracracy is prudent is what I'm trying to figure out. Don't feel like I'm hating on this concept, I just think it can be tweaked a bit to garner more support that's all. I could be wrong though. I argue that it doesn't have to be one or the other... but if ABB turns into former and not the latter, I wouldn't be suprised if we had a comparatively small following. If we really are trying to improve readiness, preparedness and 2A proficincy through group support, it seems like we would want numbers on our side. Otherwise ABB is just an enthusiest's hobby group. I know my opinion is loathed here, but take what I have to say in consideration that's all. It'd be a shame if guys dismissed the idea of ABB as crossfitting boyscouts with guns, as it has the potential to do great things for everyone. We just have to be cautious not to become "bros" IMO it should strive for excellence, not participation. Both have their merits... but I still doubt it has to be one or the other. ABB can represent our community as a whole, while also retaining a internal structure for the box-checker types... similar to the boy scout post above. |
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Posted: 1/27/2020 11:11:27 PM EDT
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Fuck. I think people over complicate things just so they don’t have to commit. That's basically how getting people age 25+ to try any new activity goes.
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Posted: 1/27/2020 11:11:43 PM EDT
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Um. Hold up skippy. Me and @bayeagle ( and others) have history. Long before VBB or ABB was a dream...a lone Florida man used to host hikes. Only the hardcore best of the best billy goat eating types would show up...kinda lol Meanwhile GD was to busy fighting over the type of " satchel " jack bauer used and will smiths pants in " i am legend ". But meanwhile...brave men trudged through central Florida scrub lands in August.....slept under tarps in 20f temps......while others slept in the coolness of HVAC controlled environments and shitted on a warm seat. My outlook comes from those events. Im stoked to see that the current climate is getting folks off thier asses and networking and pulling together.. In glad younger guys are getting it going. We all dont have to agree on everything. But what we do need is for guys to step up. Show up to hikes/events. Host ones in thier area and get to know your fellow arfcomrs. Dont try to cause a riff using my qoute to bayeagleto your benifit. Someone who clicks on this thread is immediately bombarded with rankings/classes/certifications and grading criteria, which may be prudent, but can also be a bit too much for the average guy to want to invest in right off the bat. All that I'm trying to say is that ABB needs to appeal to all personality types, not just the mission-oriented alphas. I worry that ABB is limiting our pledge pool by narrowly focusing on institutional burocracy. To what degree said beauracracy is prudent is what I'm trying to figure out. Don't feel like I'm hating on this concept, I just think it can be tweaked a bit to garner more support that's all. I could be wrong though. I argue that it doesn't have to be one or the other... but if ABB turns into former and not the latter, I wouldn't be suprised if we had a comparatively small following. If we really are trying to improve readiness, preparedness and 2A proficincy through group support, it seems like we would want numbers on our side. Otherwise ABB is just an enthusiest's hobby group. I know my opinion is loathed here, but take what I have to say in consideration that's all. It'd be a shame if guys dismissed the idea of ABB as crossfitting boyscouts with guns, as it has the potential to do great things for everyone. We just have to be cautious not to become "bros" IMO it should strive for excellence, not participation. ) |
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Posted: 1/27/2020 11:13:15 PM EDT
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DT, you keep trying to make this conversation happen. Look at the photos of the Rattlesnake Rally for 5 minutes. Pay attention to the men and women with yellow caution tape and Silent Brigade patches. Those folks kicked ass, took names, and many of them knew each other through the BB program. If you call that group a “nice enclave of enthusiasts” and think that’s some sort of negative, I don’t really know if you will ever be satisfied with what Ben is trying to do here. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Posted: 1/27/2020 11:13:46 PM EDT
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SCBB hike/ruck #1 scheduled and posted to the SCHTF thread.
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Posted: 1/27/2020 11:19:44 PM EDT
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It would be pretty cool if folks could stop projecting their unfounded concerns. Many guys who have been in on it for awhile have told you how it is. Guys, just show up. Do what you can. We are here to support each other and grow. Just show up. That is 90% of the battle. Just show up. |
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Posted: 1/27/2020 11:24:42 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: DT, you keep trying to make this conversation happen. Look at the photos of the Rattlesnake Rally for 5 minutes. Pay attention to the men and women with yellow caution tape and Silent Brigade patches. Those folks kicked ass, took names, and many of them knew each other through the BB program. If you call that group a “nice enclave of enthusiasts” and think that’s some sort of negative, I don’t really know if you will ever be satisfied with what Ben is trying to do here. We can either turn ABB into an individual competition of sorts, or a grassroots community betterment type of thing. It seems like this thread has generally went the way of individual competition, and while I think it could be capeable of more, I respect the consensus. Regardless how ABB materializes, I'll still be interested 
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Posted: 1/27/2020 11:33:34 PM EDT
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This. It was inspiring. Wish I had made the time to go. But I pussed out. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Posted: 1/28/2020 12:13:07 AM EDT
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So in summary:
1. Show up. No backpacks, guns, or weight required. Merely encouraged. 2. If you want to pursue ratings/merit badges feel free to do so. Result: If you only do #1, you'll be more fit, feel better, and get to know some people you didn't know before. If you want to challenge yourself, you can get more out of this. But nobody will make you. I don't want to say "nobody cares" because we do, but we won't think any less of you if you just walk along with us. |
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Posted: 1/28/2020 12:16:43 AM EDT
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You guys have any use for medics?
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Posted: 1/28/2020 12:24:17 AM EDT
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You guys have any use for medics? Every hike starts off by asking who they are so if something happens we all know who to let take charge. |
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Posted: 1/28/2020 12:28:03 AM EDT
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You guys have any use for medics? Eta: my battle buddy beat me by four minutes on the answer |
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Posted: 1/28/2020 12:33:22 AM EDT
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Yes. Every hike starts off by asking who they are so if something happens we all know who to let take charge. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Posted: 1/28/2020 12:36:13 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Absolutely. We call them out before every hike so the group knows who to go to in case we need a doc. Eta: my battle buddy beat me by four minutes on the answer Sic Semper Bonchon |
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Posted: 1/28/2020 12:38:06 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Im currently trying to get something going on the Pa home forum. |
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Posted: 1/28/2020 9:36:32 AM EDT
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I am afraid that the "get both" attitude may hurt the program. You can't make everyone happy every time but you can piss everyone off all the time... There needs to be a set construct and those that are interested will come to it if they are interested. Cola Warrior is prime example. It isn't watered down to make everyone happy, in fact the crowd that participates does not want it watered down and failing is part of the game. That crowd NEVER complains about it being to hard and always just say next time I will "suck less". I am in the "well that sucked, next time I will strive to suck less" kind of guy. The other type of crowd is all...
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Posted: 1/28/2020 9:43:14 AM EDT
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As someone missing half a lung with severe respiratory and nasal passage deformities who also used to be 300lbs I can tell from a place of caring
to stop being pussies and nut the fuck up.If you can’t achieve your goals today you should bust ass so that you’re that much closer tomorrow. |
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Posted: 1/28/2020 9:45:12 AM EDT
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You guys have any use for medics?
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Posted: 1/28/2020 9:53:21 AM EDT
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Yes, and if you could bring an AED, O2 and some amiodarone, I'd appreciate it. |
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Posted: 1/28/2020 9:59:52 AM EDT
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Posted: 1/28/2020 11:08:58 AM EDT
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Posted: 1/28/2020 11:48:41 AM EDT
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Posted: 1/28/2020 12:59:55 PM EDT
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Posted: 1/28/2020 1:14:45 PM EDT
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Yes, and if you could bring an AED, O2 and some amiodarone, I'd appreciate it. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Posted: 1/28/2020 1:18:35 PM EDT
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