And it has been a niche gun for most of its life.  They never have been that popular.

I'll give you credit that you mentioned da revolvers as the cause to glock leg.  Striker fired guns have been around in circulation for 3+decades in LEO.  What excuse does sig have?  Their trigger is a bit lighter, maybe 1lb.  They would help themselves if they admitted a dingus on trigger would cut down on the "ND" discharges.

And it tends to be solely in the hands of cops (and nobody has been able to explain the mechanism of discharge).  

Lack of trigger safety means less forgiving to finger fucking.  Low speed high drag officer has an ND, lies and blames the gun because he’s seen the articles about it.  Department doesn’t want to call the officer out for lying when they can’t prove it, so they blame the gun, which they also have no proof of.

It's all so tedious. Someone repost the armorer's video showing how this is astronomically unlikely without some Barney Fife diddling the trigger, eh? It's Glock leg and tard cops.

Lol @ $400 for a non optic cut, trade in, non x frame P320

I thought these guns were literal time bombs just waiting to kill. Should be $200 if all the claims are true.

I dropped mine when I was coming up the basement steps.  It slid off of the pile of Diseal soaked uniform and fell down the basement stairs hitting the concrete basement floor.  No boom.  Just a few scratches

Or it's abruptly stopped at the end of short drop.

No, it can't be re-produced consistently. From what I understand, the only common denominator with some of the discharges was a Safariland holster for a mounted light; I think it allowed too much access to the trigger getting caught on something.

So... since the P320s and Glocks are out in the wild and in use at thousands of LEO  agencies, where are the parallel reports of Glocks going off in a similar fashion? Glock leg veterans are all aging out and their replacements are just as fresh and inexperienced on a G45/17/19 as they are on a P320. Are recruits learning how to properly use a Glock while struggling with the P320's manual of arms? Serious question.

I've withheld judgement on the P320, mainly because I have no interest in the platform (as a pistol). I'm just trying to sift through the noise.

Was unaware NY had regs for super heavy triggers on duty guns.  Is this perhaps responsible for the NYPD’s legendary shitty accuracy?

I would say, most cops aren't gun guys. Most cops have to carry in whatever holster they're issued. Cops are more likely to get into a physical altercation while wearing a pistol than a normal citizen.

Maybe. The Glock NY trigger was developed for the NYPD.

I think they use the NY spring and bar. That brings it to like 12lb I think? My memory might be off on that.

Fed should mandate cops carry guns with manual safeties only.

Do something good for once, fed bois. Even if it is unconstitutional.

CZ P07 & P09,  FN FNP and FNX lines as well for  poly framed DA/SA

Because the 320 had the drop problem it became an easy scapegoat for dumbass LEOs to cover their collective asses.

I chuckled sensibly.

Bingo!

Hking

I love the trigger in all of mine. Stock flat face.

Yup. With all the controversy surrounding the P320 no idiot is going to take responsibility for a ND.

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Where’s the ghost hand in this video?



It’s not like the P320 hasn’t had issues before, why shouldn’t we assume it would continue to have issues?



Edit:  to clarify in this particular case I believe office dufus was finger fucking his gun while on the shitter.

Glocks were much easier to fire than any da, or da/sa when glock came out.  1911s are even easier to fire, but notice they are not a common national PD issue firearm, but are for those special dept/units that train a lot and still use them.  Ditto for .mil, though it seems the 1911 is not used much, if at all much anymore.  The ad/nd for 1911s would be statistically higher solely based on trigger pull being easier to manipulate.  Even more so with new lights/optics/gear.  It is why there is a NY trigger for glocks.  It is not the pistol, rather the humans using them..

Sig is experiencing the same issue glock did.  Anyhow, the sig has a better trigger, easier to use, just like Glocks trigger when it came out.  The fear and panic towards Glock was legendary, but also pre internet.  Glock leg, short trigger pulls called by some single action, plastic guns not showing up on xrays, etc.

Truth is, Glock forged the way for simpler/easier to use firearms through their dominance in LE.  Civilians followed.   Sig has made something easier to use, and it shows.  Retention holsters, lights on pistols, all sorts of new modern updates are also at play here.  Glock was not the reason for ad/nd, human behavior and gear/training were.  It appears very similar for sig, because no one can get a sig to just go off, at least not yet.

The question is, will sigs simpler/better/easier trigger combined with lights/dots/gear become the new accepted norm.  It is not necessarily the gun, but rather what will be accepted.  The .mil is still chugging along with m17/m18, so the gun is probably not going anywhere, even if Karens get their way and sig caves to a NY trigger pull solution.  If someone can show how a sig goes off on its own, it needs to be addressed.  With as many youtubers out there, it would seem there would be numerous showing how it happens.

Edit for:  holsters/gear became more predominantly used after glocks came out — Not just holsters, but specifically manufactured holsters to the gun. The reason is obvious, a mexican carry da pistol is less likely to mysteriously discharge, than a glock…

Also, Glock nd/ad are still occurring, but are not made out to be an issue, anymore.  Glock leg is easily known/accepted as operator error, due to Glocks time in the wild.

For example, on this site, who would risk trying to say their glock just went off when they took off their belt/holster??  Versus how many would love to post how their sig did…

Human behavior/training.  Comes with time and learning.

Yep. I’d absolutely bet on this one being user error

Yeah, cry harder Glockies. Your desperation to vilify the P320 brings me mirth.

not sure why they killed the program but one of the best things I’ve seen in a LEA was an agency here in CO had all of their SWAT qualified guys assigned to SRO.

@Bama-Shooter

Pray tell good sir. Been debating on switching.

Bingo

That’s the thing. We are really only seeing this in LE, we aren’t hearing wide spread reports from our military or any of the other militaries across the globe using these pistols. You aren’t seeing it amongst the CCW crowd. It’s all cops. I can confidently say this as a cop and academy instructor, most cops aren’t gun guys and many o ly carry because they are made to

25-30 years ago it was a Glock that was always going off

I don’t keep up with their used prices as I’m not interested. It was just an educated guess given what happened with the P250. Different situation though I guess. It got really crappy reviews and stalwart SIG buyers weren’t ready to embrace plastic fantastic yet. Dealers couldn’t give those away.

I’d say once a few big departments drop them over liability and they show up at the wholesalers, prices will drop precipitously.

Yeah, I agree and said as such in my other post. Most SIG buyers weren’t ready for plastic and reviewers expected better/different from SIG. It created a toxic mix of confusion and derision and doomed the gun in its infancy. The long DAO trigger pull was neither fish nor foul in auto loaders.

yes, we know.  you say it in every one of these threads.

Yup.  Just another fat fingered fuckup.

Oh, so stealing that.  

I've got a G19.4 that with a -1 trigger and just replaced my P320 X-Carry with a M18. What don't you like about the trigger? They've always impressed me for what it is, especially compared to a glock.

That’s funny! I’ve thought about picking one up just for woods carry with Buffalo Bore rounds. Holsters and mags might be an issue though. Decently cheap beat around gun that’s reliable and fail safe for dropping and that delivers enough payload for everything east of the Mississippi.

Schools are usually partially to blame for this as well.  They want Tik Tok cops who make funny videos with kids and staff.  Not real cops.

And safariland changes up the design and the new holsters no longer have that problem

Since these guns go off 'by themselves', wouldn't there be cases where it discharged in a nightstand or safe?

The reports always seem to be when they're being manipulated in some way.

My duty gun right now is a TXG Pro LE. It’s a fantastic pistol