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Posted: 7/31/2012 2:26:50 PM EDT
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Am I the first to say NO!!
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Posted: 7/31/2012 2:27:12 PM EDT
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Quoted: Yes, that shit is irritating.I think it's a great cartridge. I do get tired of hearing it discussed by people who have no fucking clue what they are talking about. One shot's all it takes. Close enough if you're shooting a .45. Knock a man down. When you're shooting .45, all you need is 8 rounds. Blah blah blah blah |
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Posted: 7/31/2012 2:29:08 PM EDT
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I like the round just fine but I'm tired of my 1911. Last time I went out shooting I shot all kinds of guns, including my last 1911 (had 2 at one point). I'm seriously considering selling/trading it because I'm just bored with the gun. Its been reliable and I even carried it for a while, but I'm bored with it.
I wouldn't mind replacing it with a Glock in .45acp though. 
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Posted: 7/31/2012 2:29:28 PM EDT
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Quoted: The cartridge I prefer to hate on is the forty. I like .45 and 9mm both. I know, answer to a question that no man should have ever asked. |
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Posted: 7/31/2012 2:31:41 PM EDT
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Quoted: My .454 is quite adequate for any bear.Quoted: No, .45 ACP is currently the whipping boy of the internet's group think. If anything 9mm is technically overrated, as you will see its fans say "well all handgun rounds are pretty much the same" while absolutely refusing to acknowledge that "pretty much the same" does not mean exactly the same. Many 9mm fans are totally unwilling to admit to any performance differences of any kind, no matter how small or minute. Oh, and there are the morons advocating 9mm FMJ for use against bears  9mm is an effective defensive pistol cartridge - but it has also dethroned the .45 as the most overrated pistol cartridge today. So you are saying the 45 is OK for bear? Gummy Bears?  |
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Posted: 7/31/2012 2:32:23 PM EDT
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It is certainly overrated. During my time at CTD I saw more ignorant comments about .45acp than all other calibers combined. The one that always comes to mind was the guy who said he didn't need to buy mags for his 1911 because he just kept a round chambered and the gun cocked and locked. Since he never misses and the .45acp always knocks them down immediately, he felt no need to even put a magazine in his carry gun. That's not a statement about the .45 as much as a statement about rabid fans of the .45. Meanwhile, back in reality, I know of a negligent discharge at a place of employment, in a cubicle environment, where the round failed to penetrate the metal wall of the cubicle, perhaps saving a life. I guess that's a high quality cubicle, but if a thin sheet of pot metal is cover and not concealment we should probably be re-assessing the almighty wonders of the cartridge. PS Pat Rogers is shooting 9mm now. Just sayin'. interdesting...because i KNOW it will go through car doors |
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Posted: 7/31/2012 2:33:00 PM EDT
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Not in the least.
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Posted: 7/31/2012 2:35:29 PM EDT
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Ask anyone thats been shot with a .45 if it is an effective round. I know a recent story where a cop shot a guy 17 times with a .45 before finally incapacitating him. The officer now carries a 9mm. WOW F**K that must have hurt! It must have incapacitted him enough to allow for a few reloads. 17 rounds? Well I guess a GLock 21.........still call bullshit. Not all that hard to believe actually. A good number of hits anywhere other than the heart or head to a tweaked out meth-head wouldnt drop him till the blood loss caght up with him. 9mm would NOT have done better with the same shot placment 
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Posted: 7/31/2012 2:38:05 PM EDT
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No, .45 ACP is currently the whipping boy of the internet's group think. If anything 9mm is technically overrated, as you will see its fans say "well all handgun rounds are pretty much the same" while absolutely refusing to acknowledge that "pretty much the same" does not mean exactly the same. Many 9mm fans are totally unwilling to admit to any performance differences of any kind, no matter how small or minute. Oh, and there are the morons advocating 9mm FMJ for use against bears
9mm is an effective defensive pistol cartridge - but it has also dethroned the .45 as the most overrated pistol cartridge today. So you are saying the 45 is OK for bear? Gummy Bears? havnt used it on bear, but its works great on MN whitetails |
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Posted: 7/31/2012 2:39:34 PM EDT
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The cartridge I prefer to hate on is the forty. I like .45 and 9mm both. Same here |
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Posted: 7/31/2012 2:43:15 PM EDT
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I was expecting to find a post that angrily stated, "Shut your whore mouth!" Well, that wasn't done and no disrespect was shown to the OP. Here is a response that is both civil and spiritually appropriate. Quoted:
God's own gun overrated? Nope. |
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Posted: 7/31/2012 2:43:45 PM EDT
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If I could shoot my 1911 with the recoil, capacity, and cost of a 9mm but power of a .45 I would only shoot my 1911.
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Posted: 7/31/2012 2:44:38 PM EDT
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Quoted: In certain circles, real life all pistol rounds are overrated in terms of "stopping power" (quotes added for emphasis). |
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Posted: 7/31/2012 2:45:35 PM EDT
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Quoted: There is a lot of myth and hype surrounding it, but it is an effective cartridge. |
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Posted: 7/31/2012 2:46:22 PM EDT
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I'll stick to my Glock 20 and 32
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nQE0e-9rCjM&feature=related[/youtube] |
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Posted: 7/31/2012 2:51:08 PM EDT
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In certain circles, all pistol rounds are overrated in terms of "stopping power" (quotes added for emphasis). Huh uhh, in the movies the bad guy is always stopped and killed outright with all handguns  If'n ya kant trust hollywood who kan ya?
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Posted: 7/31/2012 2:57:54 PM EDT
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no I have both but more 45 for more. jmb approves this thread.
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Posted: 7/31/2012 3:02:32 PM EDT
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I like it. I carry it.
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Posted: 7/31/2012 3:02:58 PM EDT
[#19]
Yes. It's the cartridge for simpletons.
Welp I got me one of em er kimber ultra pro les baer ed brown kobra colt carry cups. Ait rounds uh furdy fahv pokes a big ol' hole. Rekon that'll solve jus' bout' any problem. Don't trust at der nahn milluhmeter, figure at might jus expand to uh furdy fahv, but muh furdy fahv aint gonna shrink tuh no nahn milluhmeter. Don't know wah nobody would want mo than ait rounds, what them boys lookin fer war? |
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Posted: 7/31/2012 3:05:05 PM EDT
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THREAD ABOUT GUY SHOT 17 TIMES WITH .45
http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_5_13/127082_Glock_21_Saves_Officers_Life__17_hits_with__45.html |
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Posted: 7/31/2012 3:06:18 PM EDT
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I wouldn't say it's overrated but I will say there are a few better alternatives imo
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Posted: 7/31/2012 3:21:19 PM EDT
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No, I don't think it is overrated. I get a nice, warm, fuzzy feeling toting a .45.
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Posted: 7/31/2012 3:30:38 PM EDT
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Yes and No.
.45 is an excellent round for many purposes. It is powerful and very flexible. It does have the mythic stopping power, and is really fucking fun to shoot. However there is a lot of hype around it, and no matter how hopped up to load is, it isn't a brass and copper coated version of the wrath of God that some make it out to be. The cost of .45 is actually I think the biggest detractor in the round, followed by the cumbersome packaging that it requires, and finally the recoil associated with it in compact and subcompact guns, The most overrated common defensive/service round has to be .40s&w. |
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Posted: 7/31/2012 3:37:06 PM EDT
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I've killed enough deer with 45ACP to know it does a fine fucking job. 
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Posted: 7/31/2012 3:41:35 PM EDT
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Meh, all pistol rounds are shitty at killing people. All psitol rounds do a better job than your bare hands. A handgun is only as good as the man/woman holding it. |
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Posted: 7/31/2012 3:43:51 PM EDT
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No.....not at all
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Posted: 7/31/2012 3:44:02 PM EDT
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THREAD ABOUT GUY SHOT 17 TIMES WITH .45 http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_5_13/127082_Glock_21_Saves_Officers_Life__17_hits_with__45.html So it would've taken 34 hits with a 9mm?
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Posted: 7/31/2012 3:45:37 PM EDT
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Quoted: No.Flame suit on.  Yes, ironic screen name is ironic. |
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Posted: 7/31/2012 3:49:46 PM EDT
[#29]
Lots of opinions out there but that's all that they are. They are just as right as they're wrong. You can look at the raw facts but at the end of the day, what works best for you is what's best. In my experience I get better groups from double tapping with a 9mm and I can buy twice as much ammo hence more range time.
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Posted: 7/31/2012 3:52:24 PM EDT
[#30]
It is a good round. Better than 9mm on soft targets IMO. But it is still overrated. Very overrated when you get people who talk or collect more than shoot start running their mouths.
I defend my house with .45ACP, and CCW 9mm. I'd have no problem using 9mm for HD. |
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Posted: 7/31/2012 3:57:09 PM EDT
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Nope. I just wish Glock made a G19-sized pistol in .45 ACP. G36 |
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Posted: 7/31/2012 4:03:33 PM EDT
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You ever been shot with one? I bounced one off of my forearm after shooting into a log once. Does that count? Ouch
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Posted: 7/31/2012 4:33:52 PM EDT
[#33]
With modern expanding hollowpoints, definitely.
Why go for a small capacity with similar energy to other cartridges? |
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Posted: 7/31/2012 4:36:31 PM EDT
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With modern expanding hollowpoints, definitely. Why go for a small capacity with similar energy to other cartridges? Go hit some steel plates with 9mm and .45ACP. Huge difference.
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Posted: 7/31/2012 4:40:53 PM EDT
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With modern expanding hollowpoints, definitely. Why go for a small capacity with similar energy to other cartridges? Go hit some steel plates with 9mm and .45ACP. Huge difference. energy =/ inertia ETA: Hit the plate with a baseball bat |
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Posted: 7/31/2012 4:48:45 PM EDT
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Just hold a .45 acp next to a 9mm round and draw your own conclusions. Same thing with a .223 next to a .308. This |
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Posted: 7/31/2012 4:51:02 PM EDT
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With modern expanding hollowpoints, definitely. Why go for a small capacity with similar energy to other cartridges? Go hit some steel plates with 9mm and .45ACP. Huge difference. energy =/ inertia ETA: Hit the plate with a baseball bat Throw that bat at the plate |
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Posted: 7/31/2012 4:51:49 PM EDT
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THREAD ABOUT GUY SHOT 17 TIMES WITH .45 http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_5_13/127082_Glock_21_Saves_Officers_Life__17_hits_with__45.html So it would've taken 34 hits with a 9mm? Can't say for sure, but the 34 with a 9mm would require the same amount of reloads. It does seem to be overrated with people who have read little to zero into ballistic research. I have actually been told by seemingly intelligent people that 45 ACP is superior to 5.56x45. |
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Posted: 7/31/2012 4:56:08 PM EDT
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Quoted: Get em all! I sleep with a 9mm, .45, and 10mm. uh...10mm beats ALL! |
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Posted: 7/31/2012 4:56:48 PM EDT
[#40]
Yes.
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Posted: 7/31/2012 4:57:59 PM EDT
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It makes a hole in stuff. That's pretty good
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Posted: 7/31/2012 4:58:19 PM EDT
[#42]
Choices are fun.
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Posted: 7/31/2012 5:05:32 PM EDT
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Just hold a .45 acp next to a 9mm round and draw your own conclusions. Same thing with a .223 next to a .308. What about a .45 acp next to the .308? Shit, the .32 acp is .309" in diameter... it must be better than the little .308. |
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Posted: 7/31/2012 5:06:00 PM EDT
[#44]
No, like the 30/30 proven round
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Posted: 7/31/2012 5:10:30 PM EDT
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I could kill you with a .45 and I could kill you with a 9mm. But if it were me, I'd go with the Noveske . . .
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Posted: 7/31/2012 5:12:28 PM EDT
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Now the man at the gun shop said I would only have to shoot the bad guy once with a .45 and he'd be "Dead right there."
That's good enough reason for me.
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Posted: 7/31/2012 5:16:46 PM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Ask anyone thats been shot with a .45 if it is an effective round. I know a recent story where a cop shot a guy 17 times with a .45 before finally incapacitating him. The officer now carries a 9mm. WOW F**K that must have hurt! It must have incapacitted him enough to allow for a few reloads. 17 rounds? Well I guess a GLock 21.........still call bullshit. Obviously you know nothing about gunfights. People don't stand face to face and blast away at each other. People move behind cover, dodge, dive, and duck. While you are calling bullshit, read this. http://www.policemag.com/Channel/Patrol/Articles/2012/02/Shots-Fired-Skokie-Illinois-08-25-2008.aspx |
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Posted: 7/31/2012 5:17:52 PM EDT
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I bought a .22 converson for my Kimber .45 - sweet: cheap to shoot, little recoil and not as loud. Having said that, having actually shot someome - actually more that 'just someone' (along time ago in SE Asia) with a .45 with hard ball ammunition none the less, I can actually say, the right tool for the right job. Big and slow has real knock down/stopping power. The point (if you're not shooting targets) is to make sure 'they' go down and don't get back up .......... just saying ..............
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Posted: 7/31/2012 5:18:24 PM EDT
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Quoted: Doesn't matter.At the very least, we're missing a piece of the story. For example how much PCP (methamphetimine, etc., etc., etc.) had the target consumed in the 4 hours preceeding the shooting? I don't go out every day loaded up for sober criminals. |
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Posted: 7/31/2012 5:21:00 PM EDT
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I remember sitting in a roadside dive at noon eating lunch onetime and this big stout biker was sitting across the room and for some reason we locked eyes and he blinked first. When he got up to leave he came and stood at my table glowering at me and that sonofabitch was huge, 300+ and not some old beergutted greybeard but somebody looking to make his bones. I realized right then that a .45 was not overpowered. I had visions of a full mag or two 230 gr. copper solids handloaded to redline +P+. It would be like shooting into a giant sack of grain, poomp, poomp. Trying to stop something like that before he mauled your ass, I realized nothing smaller than a .45 would do.
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