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Posted: 2/18/2020 2:05:30 PM EST
[#1]
But can you talk about sports?
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Posted: 2/18/2020 2:08:00 PM EST
[#2]
I have only ever seen people complain about the presence of small talk.
Today is the first time I have ever seen a complaint about its absence. This is a weird timeline. |
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Posted: 2/18/2020 2:09:18 PM EST
[#3]
I am there to do my job and get paid. That's it.
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Posted: 2/18/2020 2:11:19 PM EST
[#4]
They’re smart. A manager should never ask about anything personal. It’s one of the first things you learn/are taught.
Don’t talk about personal shit at work. |
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Posted: 2/18/2020 2:11:30 PM EST
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But can you talk about sports? |
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Posted: 2/18/2020 2:11:44 PM EST
[#6]
I once had a client that wanted to schedule an on-site training session, requiring travel for all attendees, on Christmas Eve.
 Fortunately they reconsidered, but the fact that the thought even crossed their minds...
I had another client that scheduled a virtual training session that ran all day on the Friday of Labor Day weekend. And of course all of the attendees were 2 hours behind me, so I got to run nice and late. |
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Posted: 2/18/2020 2:12:56 PM EST
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I have only ever seen people complain about the presence of small talk. Today is the first time I have ever seen a complaint about its absence. This is a weird timeline. |
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Posted: 2/18/2020 2:13:17 PM EST
[#8]
GD/
No one cares about your kids. You are there to work. /GD |
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Posted: 2/18/2020 2:14:08 PM EST
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But can you talk about sports? |
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Posted: 2/18/2020 2:14:40 PM EST
[#10]
I worked for UPS once.
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Posted: 2/18/2020 2:14:50 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm not even talking small talk......I'm just talking about aknowledment. The fact that you actually have concerns and priorities outside of work. |
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Posted: 2/18/2020 2:14:57 PM EST
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They’re smart. A manager should never ask about anything personal. It’s one of the first things you learn/are taught. Don’t talk about personal shit at work. "Ok, but make sure you get that report turned in today". That's just f'd up right there.......and I've heard that exact exchange of words....... 
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Posted: 2/18/2020 2:15:14 PM EST
[#13]
Lol. Kind of. Except it's my employees that are pretty sure I shouldn't have a life.
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Posted: 2/18/2020 2:15:51 PM EST
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I am there to do my job and get paid. That's it. |
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Posted: 2/18/2020 2:16:00 PM EST
[#15]
Well did you get that report done from 2 weeks ago?????
 LOL my wife was told she's not allowed to take vacation any more. I'm not allowed to take more than a week off at a time.
we look at it this way, we get paid good to do our jobs. The less we bitch the more work we get. ETA: It's nothing personal, it's just business. |
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Posted: 2/18/2020 2:16:09 PM EST
[#16]
Yes. They were open that it is a business and what you did for them yesterday doesn't matter; it's about what you're doing today and tomorrow that is important. They just want to be profitable and can't be unless you got/get your job done. If you're job performance is not necessary for day-to-day operations, or, doesn't impact the bottom line, your job is no longer needed.
I'm glad I'm retired. For those who are working....Quit reading this thread and get back to work! |
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Posted: 2/18/2020 2:17:49 PM EST
[#17]
Just about every employer in my industry does not give a shit about holidays or family. Mine is better than most.
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Posted: 2/18/2020 2:20:01 PM EST
[#18]
Best of luck.
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Posted: 2/18/2020 2:20:14 PM EST
[#19]
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They’re smart. A manager should never ask about anything personal. It’s one of the first things you learn/are taught. Don’t talk about personal shit at work. Bosses that are friends with their subordinates are like parents who are friends to their kids. Their job is to manage a staff, not babysit, be besties, or provide a shoulder to cry on. |
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Posted: 2/18/2020 2:21:07 PM EST
[#20]
Business is pretty cold sometimes...
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Posted: 2/18/2020 2:21:42 PM EST
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Yes. They were open that it is a business and what you did for them yesterday doesn't matter; it's about what you're doing today and tomorrow that is important. They just want to be profitable and can't be unless you got/get your job done. If you're job performance is not necessary for day-to-day operations, or, doesn't impact the bottom line, you're job is no longer needed. I'm glad I'm retired. For those who are working....Quit reading this thread and get back to work!
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Posted: 2/18/2020 2:22:03 PM EST
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My last boss said "God, family, work" in that order. Turns out he didn't really mean it, but he did say it.
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Posted: 2/18/2020 2:22:49 PM EST
[#23]
no.
I own the place 
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Posted: 2/18/2020 2:23:51 PM EST
[#24]
I have several guys that work for me.....and I have no issues asking them stuff like ......last week you said your wife was really sick...is she better now"? Or "how's your son's broken arm healing up".
Part of being a good manager is relating to people, and figuring out what they respond to in order to get the performance out of them that you need. If you ignore that fact that the employee is a real person, with a real family, and a real life ....it helps. Treating them just as a number...... doesn't make things any easier. |
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Posted: 2/18/2020 2:24:26 PM EST
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I did. Got my ass chewed for not answering the phone during my wife's birthday dinner, but waiting until the moment we left the restaurant to call back (I was not on call or technically required to even have my work phone with me). I could tell plenty of stories like that one. The company as a whole was good, but my management was not.
I managed to get a better position at a bigger company and it's the complete opposite. Flexible working hours so I can go to anything for my kids, paternal leave, work from home if needed, etc. Changing jobs was the best work-related decision I've ever made. |
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Posted: 2/18/2020 2:24:33 PM EST
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One of the first places I worked right out of college with my degree was a closely held manufacturing firm.
I thought it was strange when the owner asked me a couple of times if my wife and I had kids, planned to have kids...etc One of the other higher-ups made a comment that the boss preferred "family men", they were more stable, more reliable. Ended up being the boss knew he could bully family men who had kids to support...guys like me would tell him to fuqq-off and find something else. almost sounded like "The Firm" 
I couldn't make this shit up if I tried |
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Posted: 2/18/2020 2:25:22 PM EST
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A fucking Pandora's Box you don't want to open. Bosses that are friends with their subordinates are like parents who are friends to their kids. Their job is to manage a staff, not babysit, be besties, or provide a shoulder to cry on. Damn...you guys are cold. |
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Posted: 2/18/2020 2:25:52 PM EST
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Yep. I have been in a couple companies like that. I moved to a better one where family comes first, and it is exceptional. Kids sick, work form home for the week. Need to run errands or something comes up? np just let the receptionist know, if over 4 hours put in PTO. Events all the time, bonuses, christmas $$$, holidays + 1/2 day before. Holiday like Valentines day? Take afternoon off to be with your loved ones. Vacations yeah 5 weeks PTO, no issues whats so ever. Give ya a few days to get caught up when returning. Stocked kitchen, food brought in all the time. Raises +4% plus performance. It's not surprising that there is zero turn over and EVERY employee is happy, best company I've ever worked with.
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Posted: 2/18/2020 2:26:31 PM EST
[#29]
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I'm not even talking small talk......I'm just talking about aknowledment. The fact that you actually have concerns and priorities outside of work. |
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Posted: 2/18/2020 2:26:44 PM EST
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Part of being a good manager is relating to people, and figuring out what they respond to in order to get the performance out of them that you need. If you ignore that fact that the employee is a real person, with a real family, and a real life ....it helps. If I need time off to take care of personal things, it is my job to ask. |
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Posted: 2/18/2020 2:27:17 PM EST
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There are no company picnics. No company parties. No outside of work type events....ever. Very odd. |
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Posted: 2/18/2020 2:27:28 PM EST
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No, my job is very accommodating of virtually any personal thing you need to take care of. It only becomes an issue if your work starts to suffer. Years ago, I was able to take off pretty much whenever and however long I needed when my wife was going to eye doctors two, sometimes three times a week, and sometimes with appointments that lasted all day. Luckily those days are long gone, but I'm able to stay home for repair services if needed (I can log on and work from home), take kids to doctors, go to school functions, whatever.
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Posted: 2/18/2020 2:30:03 PM EST
[#33]
I remember years ago when i got away from places like that.
Told the owner my wife was sick at home with the kids (when they were little) and he told me to just go home and take care of them. I was like what? I wasn’t asking to go home. |
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Posted: 2/18/2020 2:30:04 PM EST
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I am there to do my job and get paid. That's it. |
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Posted: 2/18/2020 2:30:04 PM EST
[#35]
I suppose the flip side is that the minute you hit the front door heading for home you have the right to not think about it until you walk back thru the front door the next day.
Not such a bad trade off. That I would envy |
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Posted: 2/18/2020 2:30:33 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm not even talking small talk......I'm just talking about aknowledment. The fact that you actually have concerns and priorities outside of work. |
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Posted: 2/18/2020 2:30:47 PM EST
[#37]
Has your boss ever asked to see the edge of the precious?
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Posted: 2/18/2020 2:31:03 PM EST
[#38]
My job revolves around doing most of my work on off shifts when robots and automation aren't in production.
Management pretends family is important, but not as important as me working though the weekend to get an upgrade complete. On the plus side, I can leverage working off hours into extra vacation/PTO. |
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Posted: 2/18/2020 2:32:56 PM EST
[#39]
I’ll add where I work now is nice. 100% do what you want, no office hours or vacation days.
Of course it’s sales so your production does the talking for you. |
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Posted: 2/18/2020 2:33:12 PM EST
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Here is the dirty little secret. Sorry to have to be the one to break it to ya.
Mgmt does not give a shit about your wife, your kids, or your vacation. Truly, they don't. That's all just talk to make a possible snowflake feel special. All Mgmt really cares about is the employees doing their jobs. And, cancelling the work parties, picnics, and after work events is new school, not old school. Those are being cancelled because, more often than not, they just create drama that costs the company money and spills over into the work day. So, you should be happy. The alternative is to have people pretend to be interested in your every day life and just shine you on. |
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Posted: 2/18/2020 2:37:20 PM EST
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This is just more of a rant...... I work an office job (engineering) at a good sized privately owned manufacturing company. Been there for 20 years. Great place to work...BUT, it's the strangest environment I've ever worked in. The upper management are all in there 60's, and super old school. Their lives all revolve around work....it's their hobby, their fun, their life. Myself and my coworkers all have good relationships and chat about life outside of work, but as far as upper management goes (our bosses)....they never ask about peoples families, or how things are outside of work, what people do for fun, how their vacations went, etc, etc. If you tell them you need a day or two of vacation because you have a sick child in the hospital...when you get back to work, your boss will never ask you how your kid is....but how you will get caught up from being gone. If you are on a two week vacation with your family taking a cross country trip....when you get back in the office, your boss will not ask you about your vacation...they will ask you "where is that report from two wees ago?" If you can't make a meeting because you got an emergency call from daycare and you have to go pick up your kid for some reason......it's not "I hope your son is ok".....it's "I hope you are still going to make it to the meeting....right?". There are no company picnics. No company parties. No outside of work type events....ever. Very odd. It's just a very odd environment. I think it's just that old school "work always comes first, family second" type attitude. It's very frustrating sometimes. In the end, it doesn't' affect my job......but it's strange that they pretend their employees don't have a home life. Anyone else work at a place like that? Steve Jobs went to work 7am and came home around midnight every day including weekends and holidays. That’s a choice all of us must make. Here’s a great article to read about: https://www.kornferry.com/insights/articles/the-four-stages-of-contribution |
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Posted: 2/18/2020 2:38:02 PM EST
[#42]
Yes I do and I know exactly how you feel.
I remember this time I was sent overseas for a period of 7 months and was scheduled to return just in time for the birth of my son. The "company" I work for thought it was important that we address the uppity middle eastern ruler of some shithole over a "red line" of some sort, so my trip home was postponed. They were nice enough to let me be one of the first members of my organization off to meet my 6 week old son. -Mike |
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Posted: 2/18/2020 2:42:12 PM EST
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Here is the dirty little secret. Sorry to have to be the one to break it to ya. Mgmt does not give a shit about your wife, your kids, or your vacation. Truly, they don't. That's all just talk to make a possible snowflake feel special. All Mgmt really cares about is the employees doing their jobs. And, cancelling the work parties, picnics, and after work events is new school, not old school. Those are being cancelled because, more often than not, they just create drama that costs the company money and spills over into the work day. So, you should be happy. The alternative is to have people pretend to be interested in your every day life and just shine you on. |
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Posted: 2/18/2020 2:43:20 PM EST
[#44]
Yes but I’m free to find work else where if I want.
#WhatCanBrownDoForYou 
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Posted: 2/18/2020 2:44:27 PM EST
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Posted: 2/18/2020 2:44:28 PM EST
[#46]
Boomer thread.
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Posted: 2/18/2020 2:45:02 PM EST
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Yes I do and I know exactly how you feel. I remember this time I was sent overseas for a period of 7 months and was scheduled to return just in time for the birth of my son. The "company" I work for thought it was important that we address the uppity middle eastern ruler of some shithole over a "red line" of some sort, so my trip home was postponed. They were nice enough to let me be one of the first members of my organization off to meet my 6 week old son. -Mike |
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Posted: 2/18/2020 2:46:47 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Asking about a vacation, or your kids broken arm, or your wife's surgery doesn't make you friends.....it just makes you human. Damn...you guys are cold. Everyone here gets pto, I have to approve their pto, I tell them it it their decision to take it when/if they need it, I don't need details. I do not have time for all of the personal stuff, that's what buddies/wives/girlfriends/afterwork bars are for. I also make it a policy not to burden anyone up or down the chain from me with my personal trials and tribulations. I keep my life to me. I'm not a dick to work for, give all my people the respect they earn by excelling in their positions and fight with the bean counters to make sure everyone has the tools they need to get their job done. We also provide bonuses when deserved, but it ALL stays strictly professional. In the eight years I've been here I've had to let three people go, hired ten and had no one quit. |
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Posted: 2/18/2020 2:48:08 PM EST
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Posted: 2/18/2020 2:48:57 PM EST
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What’s up with the bitterness? It was your choice all along. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Yes I do and I know exactly how you feel. I remember this time I was sent overseas for a period of 7 months and was scheduled to return just in time for the birth of my son. The "company" I work for thought it was important that we address the uppity middle eastern ruler of some shithole over a "red line" of some sort, so my trip home was postponed. They were nice enough to let me be one of the first members of my organization off to meet my 6 week old son. -Mike -Mike |
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