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Posted: 4/4/2018 11:50:23 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Golly gee, why would a tactical team who is buying BDUs buy the most commonly used color pattern for BDUs and tactical gear in the country?! Incidentally, I own no multicam, don't "run" anything on a rifle, "roll up" on anything, shoot dogs, or LARP as .mil |
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Posted: 4/4/2018 11:51:16 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Those times only existed in tv shows, books and imaginations. |
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Posted: 4/4/2018 11:52:02 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: They shouldn't be buying BDU's... they aren't soldiers. That's my whole point. They are not an offensive military force. They should be easily identifiable as Police Officers. IMHO "subdued" anything has no place on them. Even if they're getting shot at, that's what they signed up for. They should be wearing Hi-Vis green or something. If you want to operate, go back in the .mil 
I realize my mistake and will cease joinder with you. |
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Posted: 4/4/2018 11:53:56 AM EDT
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Posted: 4/4/2018 11:56:33 AM EDT
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Green BDUs or black. Waterbourne Ops where’s MultiCam. When we get a SHTF incident, it’s whatever you have on at the time. Beach bum shorts and a T-shirt is normal to see with a raid vest helmet and a AR.
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Posted: 4/4/2018 11:56:53 AM EDT
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My local PD's SWAT team is multicam from head to toe. As an ex-LEO, I never understood why they needed multicam. I can understand boots and a BDU cut jacket and pants, but multicam? Khaki or OD would have worked just as well. We didn't have a SWAT team, but our tactically trained guys would don a plate carrier over their uniform. |
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Posted: 4/4/2018 11:57:44 AM EDT
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Green BDUs or black. Waterbourne Ops where’s MultiCam. When we get a SHTF incident, it’s whatever you have on at the time. Beach bum shorts and a T-shirt is normal to see with a raid vest helmet and a AR.
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Posted: 4/4/2018 12:02:12 PM EDT
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Civilians had multicam before the military adopted it. The military should quit trying to be civilians.
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Posted: 4/4/2018 12:02:35 PM EDT
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Multicam https://i.imgur.com/KiHgsTP.jpg Green https://i.imgur.com/ZHIPWDL.jpg Black https://i.imgur.com/Xqd1PkT.jpg Gray https://i.imgur.com/Bn6hjpR.jpg Black in above post, OD isn’t too bad, but not as good as Multicam 
And the only pics of me in gray are these 
Saved by a multicam altimeter thank God.. 
And finally, gray apparently makes my butt look Big, so that’s a definite no-go. You have to be able to understand that! 
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Posted: 4/4/2018 12:02:48 PM EDT
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You sound triggered. You aren't around weapons that are too dangerous for common civilians and dressed up like a weapon of war in our streets are you? However if you called me at home and said "Hey there is a loony/felon with a rifle barricaded and we need you to get dressed come deal with and it may turn into a shootout" I would dig my ARMY gear out of mothball and show up wearing BDUs and a plate carrier because it MAKES SENSE for the given situation. 
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Posted: 4/4/2018 12:04:34 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Why not just throw a plate carrier over their uniform and grab an AR? Why the need to get decked all up in multicam pants, boots, and shirt? |
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Posted: 4/4/2018 12:08:01 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: They shouldn't be buying BDU's... they aren't soldiers. That's my whole point. They are not an offensive military force. They should be easily identifiable as Police Officers. IMHO "subdued" anything has no place on them. Even if they're getting shot at, that's what they signed up for. They should be wearing Hi-Vis green or something. If you want to operate, go back in the .mil Incidentally, I own no multicam, don't "run" anything on a rifle, "roll up" on anything, shoot dogs, or LARP as .mil |
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Posted: 4/4/2018 12:08:04 PM EDT
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Can confirm that San Antonio PD SWAT do not wear Multicam. They wear OD greens type unis.
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Posted: 4/4/2018 12:12:26 PM EDT
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Ours normally wears OD green crye . We have a lot of wooded areas with homes etc. They have multicam when its needed because it works. I have a plate carrier in multicam from my Army days. No sense wasting money on black when I already have one in the trunk.
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Posted: 4/4/2018 12:13:31 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I understand that wanting solid colors and POLICE in big letters is something like wanting this back: http://www.saturdayeveningpost.com/wp-content/uploads/satevepost/the_runaway_by_norman_rockwell-400x513.jpg I get that times have changed. But i'm old fashioned at 35 I guess. This dude so Old, might be the same guy! 
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Posted: 4/4/2018 12:13:31 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: For night time use. Day use it's about as useful as black. OD green and multcam are great for day and night. |
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Posted: 4/4/2018 12:17:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: They shouldn't be buying BDU's... they aren't soldiers. That's my whole point. They are not an offensive military force. They should be easily identifiable as Police Officers. IMHO "subdued" anything has no place on them. Even if they're getting shot at, that's what they signed up for. They should be wearing Hi-Vis green or something. If you want to operate, go back in the .mil Incidentally, I own no multicam, don't "run" anything on a rifle, "roll up" on anything, shoot dogs, or LARP as .mil 
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Posted: 4/4/2018 12:27:40 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: How is multicam useful in an urban setting? 
If it wasn’t the best, why did SOCOM copy us, then Big army copy them? |
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Posted: 4/4/2018 12:32:26 PM EDT
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They shouldn't be buying BDU's... they aren't soldiers. That's my whole point. They are not an offensive military force. "Official announcement: Only offensive military forces can wear BDUs. That'll be all." 
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Posted: 4/4/2018 12:33:42 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryIn what scenarios do Police NEED to go all secret squirrel, requiring extensive use of effective camouflage patterns? Awful lot of cops always seem to show up in these threads... |
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Posted: 4/4/2018 12:34:12 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: How is multicam useful in an urban setting? Please, please tell me you're serious. Oh god, that would make my day. |
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Posted: 4/4/2018 12:36:22 PM EDT
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How is multicam useful in an urban setting? Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: For night time use. Day use it's about as useful as black. OD green and multcam are great for day and night. MC works well in just about all environments to include urban. The worst is the solid black and blue uniforms. |
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Posted: 4/4/2018 12:36:39 PM EDT
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I honestly don't get why Police need to be hidden, which is what I understand camouflage is intended to be used for. Is the premise simply, "bad guy barricaded in a building sniping at officers, so officers need to hide?" Or is it more likely "I wanna sneak up on the perps dog, so I need muh multicam, bruh?" In what scenarios do Police NEED to go all secret squirrel, requiring extensive use of effective camouflage patterns? Awful lot of cops always seem to show up in these threads... |
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Posted: 4/4/2018 12:36:53 PM EDT
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Posted: 4/4/2018 12:38:05 PM EDT
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In what scenarios do Police NEED to go all secret squirrel, requiring extensive use of effective camouflage patterns? |
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Posted: 4/4/2018 12:42:11 PM EDT
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I know man, my point was that I am indeed idealizing it. That aint the world we live in. Never was really. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: Those times only existed in tv shows, books and imaginations. |
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Posted: 4/4/2018 12:44:49 PM EDT
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LOL the SWAT team of my dept used USGI mechanic coveralls they threw on over their uniforms. But then HK outfitted them for free and I guess they needed to feel the part so they adopted black utes.
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Posted: 4/4/2018 12:57:34 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: TR is a goat rope. My point is to simply show a bunch of civilians in .mil clothing doing military-ish things. Every one of these classes is filled to brim with dudes dressed like that. Lots of dudes in this thread are basically only mad because POLICE. 
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Posted: 4/4/2018 1:00:38 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I honestly don't get why Police need to be hidden, which is what I understand camouflage is intended to be used for. Is the premise simply, "bad guy barricaded in a building sniping at officers, so officers need to hide?" Or is it more likely "I wanna sneak up on the perps dog, so I need muh multicam, bruh?" In what scenarios do Police NEED to go all secret squirrel, requiring extensive use of effective camouflage patterns? Awful lot of cops always seem to show up in these threads... Think about it for a few minutes and see if you can’t come up with your own reasons why you would want to be invisible when some one wants to shoot you. Edit: Swat dudes show up swat thread and you find that weird? Post a transmission thread, see how many wrench turners show up. You might be surprised. |
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Posted: 4/4/2018 1:02:41 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted:
Awful lot of cops always seem to show up in these threads... |
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Posted: 4/4/2018 1:04:33 PM EDT
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Lol. No one is mad that you wear multicam. We're just saying it makes you look like retarded airsoft LARPer fags. You are the one that seems to be triggered. BDUs make sense. Full on multicam from head to toe looks gay as fuck in an LE role. That's all. It's ok bro. I like to play dress up too. Wear what you want. I'll keep laughing at you. 
Clearly, only real men are worried about what other men are wearing. 
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Posted: 4/4/2018 1:19:20 PM EDT
[#32]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I think your mistake is thinking we give a fuck about what you think.
Clearly, only real men are worried about what other men are wearing. I DGAF what you want to wear at home, including head to to multicam, but when you're out walking around pointing rifles at people in the line of duty, you should look like Police not like SF. I just don't see the need to multicam as a civilian policeman. |
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Posted: 4/4/2018 1:21:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted:
This thread went well.
Though I will say, I'm kinda sad we didn't talk more about the wearing of large quantities of rope while operating operationally in multicam. I guess i'll need to start a new thread on the usage of rope while operating. Perhaps the future of SWAT is multicam rope!! Just think, it'll match the uniform, no one will be able to see the rope in any setting, when you are using the rope, no one will know, and if you lose the rope, you wont have to worry because no one will be able to find it anyway. 
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Posted: 4/4/2018 1:21:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I DGAF . |
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Posted: 4/4/2018 1:35:33 PM EDT
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I just don't see the need to multicam as a civilian policeman.
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Posted: 4/4/2018 2:43:27 PM EDT
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I don’t have a problem with it.
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Posted: 4/4/2018 3:47:33 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: They dropped the pattern - because the desert pattern outperformed it in an urban environment. 
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Posted: 4/4/2018 4:32:01 PM EDT
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https://www.facebook.com/events/285887108601012/ go to this one. Ha! They are using a pic of my partner and I for the cover. We took the class last year. https://scontent-atl3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/26229967_1806382512718926_4258380909314304904_n.jpg?_nc_cat=0&oh=edb3659510df2735aa879609131e6aaa&oe=5B650F57 Quote HistoryQuoted:
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There is a cop at the LHT class today wearing plaid in the shoot house. Lemme know how that is, I haven't taken it. Ha! They are using a pic of my partner and I for the cover. We took the class last year. https://scontent-atl3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/26229967_1806382512718926_4258380909314304904_n.jpg?_nc_cat=0&oh=edb3659510df2735aa879609131e6aaa&oe=5B650F57
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Posted: 4/4/2018 4:38:52 PM EDT
[#40]
Quote HistoryQuoted: You guys are Police officers, and that to me means you should be held to a higher and different standard than civilians who are just "playing dress up". It's not about what you wear, it's about you having a license to face shoot an innocent and get away with it. It's about you living above the law. A Police officer acting in the line of duty shouldn't get to wear whatever the hell they want or shoot whoever the hell they want for whatever reason. You should be held accountable for every action taken in the line of duty , including dressing head to toe in warfighter gear while you issue a ticket for jaywalking or standing in line at burritomart. I DGAF what you want to wear at home, including head to to multicam, but when you're out walking around pointing rifles at people in the line of duty, you should look like Police not like SF. I just don't see the need to multicam as a civilian policeman. 
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Posted: 4/4/2018 4:45:26 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted:
There it is.... 
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Posted: 4/4/2018 4:45:46 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted:
There it is.... Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: You guys are Police officers, and that to me means you should be held to a higher and different standard than civilians who are just "playing dress up". It's not about what you wear, it's about you having a license to face shoot an innocent and get away with it. It's about you living above the law. A Police officer acting in the line of duty shouldn't get to wear whatever the hell they want or shoot whoever the hell they want for whatever reason. You should be held accountable for every action taken in the line of duty , including dressing head to toe in warfighter gear while you issue a ticket for jaywalking or standing in line at burritomart. I DGAF what you want to wear at home, including head to to multicam, but when you're out walking around pointing rifles at people in the line of duty, you should look like Police not like SF. I just don't see the need to multicam as a civilian policeman. |
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Posted: 4/4/2018 4:47:30 PM EDT
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Bro They have to look like a police army for the take over.
Seriously I have no idea. |
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Posted: 4/4/2018 4:49:44 PM EDT
[#44]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Actually, the pattern was never adopted to begin with. The test where desert marpat came out on top was about a decade later. Of you ever get a chance to look at the pics from those trials it will before clear why desert marpat came out on top...all of the buildings the different camos were tested in front of were fucking tan
http://img68.xooimage.com/files/0/c/7/r-sultat-test-camo-2eca4d7.png |
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Posted: 4/4/2018 4:53:20 PM EDT
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I think they should wear multicam pants, OD shirts, ATACS plate carrier, ACU painted helmets, black boots, marpat nylon holsters, and every rifle needs to be cerakoted Kryptek Highlander. Fuck it.
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Posted: 4/4/2018 4:58:35 PM EDT
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I cant help but wonder. You see pictures of active shooter situations and all the SWAT guys are always decked out in multicam, etc. Are they wearing that shit all day everyday just waiting or do they change out into their ACUs en-route? Is there a member of the team assigned the "designated driver" role, so everyone has time to assemble their ACUs with matching combat boots, multicam plate carriers, and multicam helmet covers? Curious minds just have to know! https://s.yimg.com/uu/api/res/1.2/sUNlbYBR4Bk8cqSMs7JcuQ--~B/Zmk9c3RyaW07aD0zODg7cHlvZmY9MDtxPTk1O3c9NzIwO3NtPTE7YXBwaWQ9eXRhY2h5b24-/https://media.zenfs.com/creatr-images/GLB/2018-04-03/3946a3c0-378c-11e8-97ec-4f75fe876594_image-5721 I think ours wear black. We had a couple of officers in SWAT uniforms at my apartment complex once. They had on black uniforms with plate carriers, but no helmets. Granted it was also a low/no-threat situation too. They'd already called the apartment manger IIRC asking about him and had been told that he'd moved out already. I guess they still had to knock on the door to make sure. |
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Posted: 4/4/2018 5:54:38 PM EDT
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Personally, I like the Nomac Flight Suits. They are fire resistant and slip on over patrol clothes. Much like mechanic's overalls. I know it can be hotter, but at least one doesn't have to remove clothes to put them on.
ex:  Attached File |
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Posted: 4/4/2018 8:18:27 PM EDT
[#48]
Quote HistoryQuoted: You should be held accountable for every action taken in the line of duty , including dressing head to toe in warfighter gear while you issue a ticket for jaywalking or standing in line at burritomart. |
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Posted: 4/4/2018 8:20:57 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted:
Personally, I like the Nomac Flight Suits. They are fire resistant and slip on over patrol clothes. Much like mechanic's overalls. I know it can be hotter, but at least one doesn't have to remove clothes to put them on. ex: https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/336822/flightsuits-504746.JPG |
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Posted: 4/4/2018 8:25:18 PM EDT
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Have there been actual formal studies on Police application of Camo? Or is the Police just going with whatever the .mil is going with? I think we don't "know" if Multicam is better than some Urban pattern, because I bet the study hasn't been thoroughly done. Because the Police are decentralized and don't have the budget for a big, all encompassing study. But that is just a supposition. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: The 90's called and said it sucked. I think we don't "know" if Multicam is better than some Urban pattern, because I bet the study hasn't been thoroughly done. Because the Police are decentralized and don't have the budget for a big, all encompassing study. But that is just a supposition. |
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