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Posted: 7/3/2019 10:03:32 AM EST
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Well they are officers for a reason. You could have a bachelor's in womens study to lead a platoon of infantryMEN |
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Posted: 7/3/2019 10:05:56 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: LOL. Haven't been in the junior enlisted barracks on a Saturday night, have ya?  |
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Posted: 7/3/2019 10:06:34 AM EST
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All you need is a 4 year degree from a college. You could have a bachelor's in womens study to lead a platoon of infantryMEN |
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Posted: 7/3/2019 10:07:01 AM EST
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Bwahahahaha
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Posted: 7/3/2019 10:07:22 AM EST
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Posted: 7/3/2019 10:08:35 AM EST
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IME enlisted were more likely to adapt if something deviated from SOP Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: Isn't that also true of enlisted men before they got their training? It could also be officers pay a higher price when caught doing things outside of what the book says. |
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Posted: 7/3/2019 10:08:38 AM EST
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Posted: 7/3/2019 10:08:42 AM EST
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for better or worse the military is a cross section of society. There are dummies, geniuses, dirt bags, people who are just there to do a job and feed their family, and on and on.
Officers are expected to know a little about a lot of things (in the Army at least). Its by design, and works reasonably well. Aside from basic Soldier skills, Enlisted are much more specific to their MOS. Warrant Officers are the subject matter experts in their respective fields, and are drawn almost exclusively from the NCO corps. Ask me to set up a satellite terminal out in the field and you might as well be talking to a stump. Meanwhile, that 25 series Joe's got it up and running in 15 minutes. |
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Posted: 7/3/2019 10:08:43 AM EST
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yea they were smart enough to become officers so they didn't have to peons for their whole careers. |
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Posted: 7/3/2019 10:10:43 AM EST
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I got to my unit as an E-2. There was a guy in the platoon with a college degree that came in as an E-3 and automatically promoted to E-4 by a year. A little over two years later I was an E-5 and he was still an E-4 working for me. Dumb ass POS.
Another guy came in with a degree. E-5 by 24 months and did a great job. Just had low test scores, couldn't take a test all that well. Had to go to a six week school to try and get his ASVAB score up. (There was minimum for re-enlistment and they sent a number in the unit to get better scores) I don't think he got his score up, but he wasn't planning on staying in anyway. He knows history better than just about anyone out there. He could easily teach it at the college/graduate level. I never met a truly dumb/low IQ officer. Sure the joke about LTs getting us lost rings true, but that's just more lack of experience. I work with guys now that have gone to some of the best colleges in the country, including to the service academies, to those that have no college at all. Unless it comes up in discussion, I usually can't tell their level of education. |
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Posted: 7/3/2019 10:11:30 AM EST
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the USAF is smart enough to fight wars by throwing officers at the enemy... I stayed back, kept the TACAN and ILS up and the beer cold. |
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Posted: 7/3/2019 10:12:57 AM EST
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Speaking in generalities, on average, Officers are more educated. Intelligence is a whole 'nuther bag of dicks... Common sense also varies greatly. |
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Posted: 7/3/2019 10:13:32 AM EST
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LOL. Haven't been in the junior enlisted barracks on a Saturday night, have ya? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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They are smarter as in book smart. Intelligence is another story. Common sense favors the enlisted. also: https://terminallance.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/2010-06-25-Strip_46_Educated_Leadership_web.jpg |
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Posted: 7/3/2019 10:15:32 AM EST
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Typically the Navy officers come from money where not so much with the enlisted.
I did meet a few enlisted that came from wealth but not a handful of the thousands I knew. Discounting the officers who came up through the ranks with a commissioning program the officers that worked for me were from the upper class. Back when I served you had to pay for college unlike now that it's free (right?).  I would think a higher percentage of the middle and lower class kids are going to colleges now with all the scholarships and special programs to include them so that's likely changed. |
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Posted: 7/3/2019 10:18:06 AM EST
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It depends.
The real difference is Officers commissioned through ROTC vs those who go to Service Acadamies. |
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Posted: 7/3/2019 10:18:34 AM EST
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Sometimes
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Posted: 7/3/2019 10:18:43 AM EST
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Would the average officer be smarter than the average enlisted man/woman? Apply this to the military as a whole. Some of he hands down dumbest fucking people I have ever met are military pilots, or I met in college. Some of the most intelligent people I ever met were regular enlisted turning a wrench. Further, many enlisted people have higher levels of education than most officers who got a general education or english degree and got to Major. Most of the airmen I was getting in my shop for the last two years already had their bachelor's degree. It made the conversation with the dumbfuck captain who came over to tell them how getting their CCAF degree was important, moreso than the bachelor they already hold. One of the guys, a SrA, was a fucking ER doctor and another was a pharmacist. Both of whom had more education than any three of that base's command staff. The ER doctor SrA ran into one of his coworkers over in the ASTS, but what was funny about it was that in civilian life the SrA was the Captain's boss. |
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Posted: 7/3/2019 10:19:50 AM EST
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It depends. The real difference is Officers commissioned through ROTC vs those who go to Service Acadamies. |
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Posted: 7/3/2019 10:19:53 AM EST
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Does he count against enlisted or officer? I think he got washed out of the 10th. Mtn Div. |
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Posted: 7/3/2019 10:22:27 AM EST
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Speaking in generalities, on average, Officers are more educated. Intelligence is a whole 'nuther bag of dicks... |
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Posted: 7/3/2019 10:24:15 AM EST
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Cadet. I think he got washed out of the 10th. Mtn Div. |
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Posted: 7/3/2019 10:24:25 AM EST
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I've been on both sides of the aisle.
GENERALLY, yes- but mainly because the ASVAB standards are higher. We probably all agree that education =/= intelligence, but the ASVAB is the best metric we have to compare the two groups. With that said, I have a Sergeant that is a practicing lawyer. I have guys with master's degrees. I have a lot of VERY smart dudes, so when I say generally, I really mean it. One of the biggest mistakes officers make is assuming they are the smartest guy in the room. They might be smarter than most of their guys but there's almost certainly at least a few who are smarter. |
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Posted: 7/3/2019 10:25:08 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Education =/= Intelligence. Some of he hands down dumbest fucking people I have ever met are military pilots, or I met in college. Some of the most intelligent people I ever met were regular enlisted turning a wrench. Further, many enlisted people have higher levels of education than most officers who got a general education or english degree and got to Major. Most of the airmen I was getting in my shop for the last two years already had their bachelor's degree. It made the conversation with the dumbfuck captain who came over to tell them how getting their CCAF degree was important, moreso than the bachelor they already hold. One of the guys, a SrA, was a fucking ER doctor and another was a pharmacist. Both of whom had more education than any three of that base's command staff. The ER doctor SrA ran into one of his coworkers over in the ASTS, but what was funny about it was that in civilian life the SrA was the Captain's boss.
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Posted: 7/3/2019 10:25:53 AM EST
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I'd like to hear more about this. Can you expound? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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It depends. The real difference is Officers commissioned through ROTC vs those who go to Service Acadamies. |
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Posted: 7/3/2019 10:27:52 AM EST
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Yes, if we’re broad brushing everything.
Now if you wiped out all E5 and below from the enlisteds reporting, it would be more of a fight. Now thank me for my service! |
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Posted: 7/3/2019 10:29:06 AM EST
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Typically the Navy officers come from money where not so much with the enlisted. I did meet a few enlisted that came from wealth but not a handful of the thousands I knew. Discounting the officers who came up through the ranks with a commissioning program the officers that worked for me were from the upper class. Back when I served you had to pay for college unlike now that it's free (right?). I would think a higher percentage of the middle and lower class kids are going to colleges now with all the scholarships and special programs to include them so that's likely changed. 
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Posted: 7/3/2019 10:29:20 AM EST
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Yes, if we’re broad brushing everything. Now if you wiped out all E5 and below from the enlisteds reporting, it would be more of a fight. Now thank me for my service! |
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Posted: 7/3/2019 10:31:08 AM EST
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Speaking in generalities, on average, Officers are more educated. Intelligence is a whole 'nuther bag of dicks... 
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Posted: 7/3/2019 10:31:29 AM EST
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my experience would say yes. but i am a bit biased as those i served with were the cream of the crop in biological warfare research. the one fucking moron we had was the "new" company commander that was an infantry officer. he was a clueless fratboy mentality dumbass.
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Posted: 7/3/2019 10:33:24 AM EST
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In general I'd say yes considering there are education requirements to be brass. That said I've met some dumb fucking officers. Especially butter bars.
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Posted: 7/3/2019 10:33:51 AM EST
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Not always. I was never the sharpest crayon in the box but I worked harder to compensate for my lack of education and intelligence.
<-- Worked out alright I guess. |
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Posted: 7/3/2019 10:35:57 AM EST
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I don't know about smarter, but much better at sucking that dick to get to the next O grade. Watching some CPTs interact with O4/5s is about the most stomach turning case of kiss ass I've ever witnessed.
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Posted: 7/3/2019 10:36:23 AM EST
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Unless their IQ is dipping down into the low 70s, I really don't care. I'd rather have an average joe working for me who had a strong work ethic than what I see out of the "geniuses."
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Posted: 7/3/2019 10:36:53 AM EST
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It depends. The real difference is Officers commissioned through ROTC vs those who go to Service Acadamies. |
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Posted: 7/3/2019 10:37:03 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Education =/= Intelligence. Some of he hands down dumbest fucking people I have ever met are military pilots, or I met in college. Some of the most intelligent people I ever met were regular enlisted turning a wrench. Further, many enlisted people have higher levels of education than most officers who got a general education or english degree and got to Major. Most of the airmen I was getting in my shop for the last two years already had their bachelor's degree. It made the conversation with the dumbfuck captain who came over to tell them how getting their CCAF degree was important, moreso than the bachelor they already hold. One of the guys, a SrA, was a fucking ER doctor and another was a pharmacist. Both of whom had more education than any three of that base's command staff. The ER doctor SrA ran into one of his coworkers over in the ASTS, but what was funny about it was that in civilian life the SrA was the Captain's boss. And I'm not going to say that you didn't have an ER doctor in your shop, but I will say that's so atypical that it's barely worth mentioning. |
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Posted: 7/3/2019 10:37:27 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yeah fewer and fewer people are having to pay for their education and yeah education =/= intelligence. I was never the sharpest crayon in the box but I worked harder to compensate for my lack of education and intelligence.
<-- Worked out alright I guess. |
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Posted: 7/3/2019 10:38:11 AM EST
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That’s bait gif |
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Posted: 7/3/2019 10:39:26 AM EST
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I knew some real fucktards on both sides. Some of the smartest, most educated people I've ever met were enlisted guys though.
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Posted: 7/3/2019 10:39:34 AM EST
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Posted: 7/3/2019 10:40:04 AM EST
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Officers are smarter on average, but their stupidity is far worse for everyone.
In iraq we were ordered by fucking retards to do route clearance. Route clearance is when you walk down the side of the road until someone blows you up with an IED, then the officers go oh shit I didn't know that would happen because officers are literally fucking retarded. At least when joe does stupid ass shit there are E4s to catch most of it, then a bunch of ncos to babysit shit, then officers if it becomes more noticeable. |
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Posted: 7/3/2019 10:40:04 AM EST
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Yeah, the service academy guys were the worst. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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It depends. The real difference is Officers commissioned through ROTC vs those who go to Service Acadamies. |
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Posted: 7/3/2019 10:40:16 AM EST
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If we just look at averages of enlisted as a whole vs officers as a whole then yes, officers are more intelligent.
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Posted: 7/3/2019 10:42:04 AM EST
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I wonder what Sylvan would have answered???
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Posted: 7/3/2019 10:45:45 AM EST
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They got a liberal arts degree from devry |
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Posted: 7/3/2019 10:46:40 AM EST
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Are you talking an average E8 or E9? Depends on the branch I'd say in the airforce the enlisted are smarter... remember the officer in the Air Force is over the enemy |
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Posted: 7/3/2019 10:46:51 AM EST
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If we just look at averages of enlisted as a whole vs officers as a whole then yes, officers are more intelligent. |
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Posted: 7/3/2019 10:47:21 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I would really like to hear more from you guys about this! The academies have always fascinated me for some reason. |
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Posted: 7/3/2019 10:48:03 AM EST
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Somewhere I saw on average, the CG has the highest number of enlisted with college degrees. When I retired in '06 every single enlisted person who worked for me had a degree, one had a Masters.
Having spent 4 years in the Army, I was not impressed with the intelligence of the average junior enlisted member. I do not think as a rule that officers are generally smarter just because they have a degree. They should be smarter in a certain field if that's what they studied. The last 2 star I worked for visited us in the Chief's Mess and initiated a plan for each Chief to adopt a junior officer to mentor them. It provided material for a lot of jokes but I feel it was successful. I had an 02 who was a good guy and open to learning from someone with 20 years experience. |
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Posted: 7/3/2019 10:48:08 AM EST
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Random comments...
- Best commander hands-down I served under graduated from East Carolina University with a degree in forestry. Much as I disliked many of them for their arrogance, most of the Zoomies were damn good officers. - At the time, I made more money as a chief over 25 than most officers did until they made major. - Two flavors of mustangs...outstanding and fucking God-awful. The latter were in a slight majority. Way too many pay-your-fee, get-your-"B" diploma mills catering to the military community. When I walked into the dorm at my first duty station on Okinawa, the first person I met was SrA Terri Gonderman. Sparkling green eyes and long copper-colored hair. I was smitten. She was such a good person...went on to make LtCol before being retired out to fight breast cancer. Only recently found out she died in 2011. Judging by the comments from her people, she was as good commissioned as she was was enlisted. Don't know why I added that, just a tribute for this Fourth of July. |
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Posted: 7/3/2019 10:51:08 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I would really like to hear more from you guys about this! The academies have always fascinated me for some reason. And slightly overshadowed by the entirely voluntary displays provided by your average product of the Corps of Cadets... |
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