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I enlisted at 17 my Jr year of hs I was a e6 at 24 y/o when I went to a 2 year officer commissioning program 27 y/o 2 LT.
Retired a LTC age 45 with 27.5 years so I guess I was smarter after 8 years of college classes and had 8 years “education” in armor BN artillery BN and a evac hospital as a enlisted man and NCO platoon sgt. |
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I did CIED {I was assigned to the dismounted squad with 4 soldiers under me but the remainder of the company was ‘motorized’ in Buffalos, Huskies, etc.} with the 235th Engineer company. We didn’t do it like that View Quote F**king assholes up at the school actually told me, and I'm quoting more-or-less verbatim from a DA civilian who was a Reserve Major with 35th Engineer Brigade up there at the schoolhouse "...we don't want that capability (talking about both humanitarian de-mining and armored route clearance), because if we have it, someone will expect us to do it...". Someone was talking about officer vs. enlisted intelligence in this thread...? Yeah. Perfect example of narrow-minded unobservant dolts in the commissioned side of the house. Anyone with a brain could look at world conflicts and say "Hey, ya know what? Mines and IEDs along lines of communications are gonna be a problem... Maybe we ought to look at being better prepared, eh?". They did not. Oh, and if you ever wondered why the hell the FMTV has that idiotic cab-forward design that puts the crew compartment directly over the axle voted "Most Likely to Trigger a Detonation", well... They were told that was a bad idea. I know that for a fact, because I helped write a letter to the set of dolts who were running the FMTV program back when it was still in design and trials during the early 1990s. We told them why the South African SAMIL vehicles were built the way they were, for mine-strike resistance, and how it would be a Really Good Idea (tm) for us to emulate that with a conventional design that we also built an up-armor kit for from the beginning. Nope; the response to that was, and I quote, "These are not combat vehicles. We do not foresee the need for them to have those features...". Anyone who wonders why I have a rather dubious attitude towards the geniuses we have working on the commissioned side of things, along with their educated-elite civilian counterparts can look at those two examples for the precise reason why I have that attitude. I have a multitude of other examples, as well. We did not need to be "surprised" by any of the IED campaign in 2003. It was predictable, predicted, and could have been dealt with immediately, instead of having to use the primitive-ass techniques dating back to WWII that we initially had to put into use in Iraq. Which, did indeed include PFC Smith, a mine detector, and foot patrolling of the MSR. Sheer stupidity and narrow-mindedness made that necessary, and it was stupid back during Vietnam, where we did the same damn thing. In short, unless you want a multi-volume tirade that I can back up with volumes of research, don't ask me about this issue. It still raises my blood pressure. (Edited for content and some language error...) |
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On average, probably. But there is damn sure stupid officers and smart enlisted. The nature of Enlistment would allow many more low IQ people in. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Would the average officer be smarter than the average enlisted man/woman? Apply this to the military as a whole. I have meet some pretty unintelligent officers On the other hand I've found that enlisted personel at times can be just plain ignorant. I probably fell into the ignorant category. Because now that I'm older and more educated and much wiser. There's no way in hell I'd do the shit I was told to do when I was young and ignorant. I've had flash backs and actually cringed at some of the things I've done. But really for the most part. I think there's both good and bad enlisted and officers. Ive seen both. But a bad officer can destroy you if your enlisted. Seen that happen. But most of my officers and NCOs when I enlisted in 79 were Vietnam vet hard asses. I had some great leadership when I enlisted and their shit was tight. Nothing like the bullshit today you guys are putting up with. I couldn't do it. I'd be smashing someone's face in. |
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meh, six one, half dozen the other. Besides, its not an O vs. E thing. You've actually got 4 different types, Active Smart, Active Stupid, Lazy Smart and Lazy Stupid. Its the Lazy Smart letting the Active Smart do the actual work while keeping the Active Stupid from ruining everything. The Lazy Stupid just need to stay out from underneath every ones feet.
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meh, six one, half dozen the other. Besides, its not an O vs. E thing. You've actually got 4 different types, Active Smart, Active Stupid, Lazy Smart and Lazy Stupid. Its the Lazy Smart letting the Active Smart do the actual work while keeping the Active Stupid from ruining everything. The Lazy Stupid just need to stay out from underneath every ones feet. View Quote |
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If I had to pick someone to do math that would save my life, I'd pick an officer.
If I had to pick someone to do some common sense tasks to save my life, I'd pick my platoon sergeant. If I had to pick someone to actually do some WORK to save my life, I'd call in some privates. |
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The Air Guard has 2.2% of enlisted with advanced degrees and 41.7% of officers with the same. Is there a unicorn out there that really wants to swap black boxes on a weekend? Stranger things have happened. But is it an indicator of the force overall? Let's ask the 65.6% of ANG enlisted that don't even have an associate's. View Quote However, I have met a recon PSG that was a deputy county attorney (and wouldn't promote past E-7 by choice), Civil Affairs NCOs that were in professional civilian jobs and combat arms enlisted with professional careers. Stuff like that makes more sense than somebody like that in an actual work MOS. And what percentage of that 41% of "advanced" degrees in the Air Guard are University of Phoenix (or similarly purchased) "degrees" designed to check a career box for government drones? |
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In my career, I had good officers, and great officers. I had good NCOs, and great NCOs.
The best officers I had were former NCOs, though, by a wide margin. As far as smart... nearly everyone I served with was very smart, not necessarily book smart, but sharp. I was combat arms my entire career, that may have had something to do with it, or not. |
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I don't know if this applies to the military, but in my personal life I've noticed a lot of people mistake experience for intelligence. They often refer to this as "street smarts" but I wouldn't really consider it "intelligence" since they had to learn it the hard way.
For example, I was standing around a campfire with some friends. Mr. StreetSmart added some sort of fuel additive because playing with fire is fun. He then tossed the "empty" container into the fire, which tipped over with the opening pointed at someone else. Mr. Intelligent immediately recognized the potential for a problem and told everyone to watch out. Mr. StreetSmart downplayed the hazard up until a flare shot out of a container and caught someone's leg on fire. At the end of the day they both know what happens when you throw an "empty" container of a flammable substance on a fire, but only one of them didn't actually have to set anyone on fire to figure it out. That is why some people are charged with making decisions and other people are charged with following instructions. Any idiot can learn from their mistakes. Intelligent people are less likely to make them in the first place. ETA I'm not discounting experience by any means. Experience helps people make quicker decisions without having to analyze a bunch of information. It's why professionals are better than amateurs and masters are better than apprentices. It can also be more effective than intelligence as far as predicting a possible outcome. The problem with experience is that, by definition, you have to experience something in order to attain it and that initial experience doesn't always have a favorable outcome. It can also become a hindrance as situations change and prior experience doesn't necessarily apply. |
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On average? Yes. Obviously there’s exceptions, but I think those stick out more in our mind and make us forget the norm. I remember some genius enlisted and some moronic officers, but they weren’t the norm. Those of y’all saying enlisted are smarter are forgetting the sea of dipshit privates y’all were around, and which I was once a part of.
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On average? Yes. Obviously there’s exceptions, but I think those stick out more in our mind and make us forget the norm. I remember some genius enlisted and some moronic officers, but they weren’t the norm. Those of y’all saying enlisted are smarter are forgetting the sea of dipshit privates y’all were around, and which I was once a part of. View Quote Berkeley Teacher Filmed Punching Man at Protest Arraigned in Sacramento Attached File Attached File |
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The Air Guard has 2.2% of enlisted with advanced degrees and 41.7% of officers with the same. Is there a unicorn out there that really wants to swap black boxes on a weekend? Stranger things have happened. But is it an indicator of the force overall? Let's ask the 65.6% of ANG enlisted that don't even have an associate's. View Quote CSB...I'm taking a grad school class at RAF Lakenheath. It's Human Factors in Aviation, I'm a SMSgt, and the only enlisted guy in a class of almost exclusively F-15 pilots and weapons officers. Instructor is a bird colonel of some flavor, flight surgeon I think. The class is in one of the squadron buildings (they all have their own bars), and the first night he tells everyone they can't drink in class, to a chorus of moans. I work on my term paper for three weeks. Get it back, and he's written "A+, and if there was a higher grade you'd get it". At the end of class he asks all the officers to hang back. I'm mildly curious and a little offended, but screw it, I leave. I get the full story a week later. The flyers have a file cabinet in one of the squadrons with dozens of old term papers. Everybody fishes a different paper out, changes it around, maybe updates it a little and hands it in. They don't give a fuck about the class, or the degree. The AF says they have to have a Masters to make major. Fill a square. Odd thing, one of the pilots told me all the prof's knew about the file - what had really pissed him off was that nobody had bothered to "help" me. Guess it never occurred to them. He'd threatened to take a couple of them that hadn't even tried to hide their plagiarism to some kind of review. Never happened...but I knew it wouldn't. |
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I'd say on average, as far as raw intelligence, it skews slightly more in favor of officers, but frankly not so much that it matters. The dumb O is often in a position to make more mischief than the annoyingly stupid SNCO. In technical fields, SNCOs ARE the technical experts, along with CWOs if you have them.
Officers and SNCOs have different and complimentary career paths. While there is command responsibility, leadership in pursuit of the success of the mission is a collective responsibility regardless of rank or position, as is the welfare and development of juniors. My SNCO's eyes on where the enlisted are at physically, spirituality, careerwise, job wise is INVALUABLE, and often takes a different type of intellectual flexibility that college or an academy doesn't immediately provide. Further, I rely on the assessment of SNCOs for professional decisions...sometimes its fundamentally correct, sometimes its correct but loses to other factors, but the strength of the SNCO comes from strong assessments from which I can make decisions. I don't have to agree with it...but I do need to take it into account, and have the humility to point out where I was wrong, and take the time to explain other factors that mitigate what might appear from their perspective an easy call. |
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LOL. Haven't been in the junior enlisted barracks on a Saturday night, have ya? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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They are smarter as in book smart. Intelligence is another story. Common sense favors the enlisted. also: https://terminallance.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/2010-06-25-Strip_46_Educated_Leadership_web.jpg |
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From what I've seen you've got smart people in both groups, but....
people who scored 40 on the asvab could enlist in the military in 1989. That same person wouldn't be accepted as an officer. Due the the lower IQ scores in the enlisted pool, I would say the average IQ was higher in the officer pool. I was a nuke and I just nuked it out. Of course, one of the key rules for any nuke is the 50/50/90 rule. If it's a 50 50 choice, 90% of the time a nuke will over-analyze it and choose the wrong answer. |
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From what I've seen you've got smart people in both groups, but.... people who scored 40 on the asvab could enlist in the military in 1989. That same person wouldn't be accepted as an officer. Due the the lower IQ scores in the enlisted pool, I would say the average IQ was higher in the officer pool. I was a nuke and I just nuked it out. Of course, one of the key rules for any nuke is the 50/50/90 rule. If it's a 50 50 choice, 90% of the time a nuke will over-analyze it and choose the wrong answer. View Quote A PFC pulled the fire alarm at jump school then stood there. When the instructors came thru and found out they asked why he did it. I was there and heard him say “I was curious what would happen” There’s some rock stupid enlisted for sure and some are dangerously stupid resulting in deaths or property damage. But you also have smart but corrupt officers https://www.cid.army.mil/headlines.html |
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they used to teach that at the academy but i met some officers dumber than a box of rocks.
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Kind of a silly question if asked seriously.
I served with some sharp officers and some real basket cases. Ditto with EM, including senior NCO. When the draft was going on you had all kinds. |
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In my experience, yes. View Quote I'm not saying that our enlisted techs were stupid--they weren't. I'm saying that, on general, our pilots were Tier One intelligence. They were Tier One men, on the whole...not just intelligence. Better genes. Better manners. 90% of the time, better physical condition. You could put ten men in a building in the exact same clothes, and still be able to pick out the officers...at least in my experience. |
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OP the world is never that black and white.
I personally know EM’s with masters degrees. I also know O’s who struggle to write a coherent paragraph. Generally speaking, O’s have more formal education, it’s usually a requirement. |
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More educated? For the most part yes. Smarter? I would judge that on a case by case basis. More arrogant? Absolutely no doubt there. View Quote |
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I have heard this trope over and over. I was 20 years enlisted, on my 14th year as a contrator doing the same thing. I have not seen this "arrogance" in the Naval fighter community. I have seen confidence, but not arrogance. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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More educated? For the most part yes. Smarter? I would judge that on a case by case basis. More arrogant? Absolutely no doubt there. I have of course worked with MANY absolutely phenomenal Staff NCOs too (the vast majority). IME with officers, most genuinely seek out the advice of their SNCOs and quite a lot "know what they don't know" and go find answers. There's too much on the line for us to assume we know it all, fuck it up, then also be the ones on the hook when we do something retarded. Most want to get the best info available, and that includes getting the SSgt, Gy, MSgt or MGuns involved, and often even some sharp NCOs. |
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It depends. The real difference is Officers commissioned through ROTC vs those who go to Service Acadamies. View Quote |
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Rank is not synonymous with intelligence. We have all seen fuck up, move up far too many times.
My base commander cut off three of his fingers trying to clean out a running lawnmower. |
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Many officers have an engineering degree. Having four years thinking analytically can really add some additional depth to an individual's mental processing power. In addition, the physics background lets a body have a better understanding of their surroundings. A college background prepares people better for accurate record keeping, which is paramount in many military fields.
I did it backwards; enlisted before going to University and doing math for four years. I owed it to myself to go do some higher learning. I crushed my year of technical training in avionics. No sailor or marine, in my A school class, was even close to keeping up with my GPA. Sort of on topic, way more sailors washed out of the job than did the Marines. I spent many more hours having study groups with the crayon eaters than with my Navy counterparts. Team green was way more motivated. Motivation is the key to being smart in a military manner. |
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Quoted: The "higher education" thing for officers in the AF is in large part a farce. CSB...I'm taking a grad school class at RAF Lakenheath. It's Human Factors in Aviation, I'm a SMSgt, and the only enlisted guy in a class of almost exclusively F-15 pilots and weapons officers. Instructor is a bird colonel of some flavor, flight surgeon I think. The class is in one of the squadron buildings (they all have their own bars), and the first night he tells everyone they can't drink in class, to a chorus of moans. I work on my term paper for three weeks. Get it back, and he's written "A+, and if there was a higher grade you'd get it". At the end of class he asks all the officers to hang back. I'm mildly curious and a little offended, but screw it, I leave. I get the full story a week later. The flyers have a file cabinet in one of the squadrons with dozens of old term papers. Everybody fishes a different paper out, changes it around, maybe updates it a little and hands it in. They don't give a fuck about the class, or the degree. The AF says they have to have a Masters to make major. Fill a square. Odd thing, one of the pilots told me all the prof's knew about the file - what had really pissed him off was that nobody had bothered to "help" me. Guess it never occurred to them. He'd threatened to take a couple of them that hadn't even tried to hide their plagiarism to some kind of review. Never happened...but I knew it wouldn't. View Quote |
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Cadet. I think he got washed out of the 10th. Mtn Div. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes |
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my experience would say yes. but i am a bit biased as those i served with were the cream of the crop in biological warfare research. the one fucking moron we had was the "new" company commander that was an infantry officer. he was a clueless fratboy mentality dumbass. View Quote |
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I’m an E7 in Air Command and Staff College and there’s no bullshit going on in it. You have to submit all the papers in through an anti-plagiarism site when you submit them. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Quoted: What if you compared E6+ to O5+? There are an abundance of dumb fuck E8 and E9 types who rode the DI/DS haircut and PT career bus because anything else was too hard. Plenty of senior officers whose main skill is politicking, not thinking. |
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I was enlisted in the Navy. There are some real dumbfuck enlisted guys in the Navy.
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USMC is the same, and an immediate F and dropped from the school. Likely to get negative paperwork too. I was instructed to even cite quotes from earlier papers that I wrote myself in order to not get flagged for plagiarism. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Quoted: The "higher education" thing for officers in the AF is in large part a farce. CSB...I'm taking a grad school class at RAF Lakenheath. It's Human Factors in Aviation, I'm a SMSgt, and the only enlisted guy in a class of almost exclusively F-15 pilots and weapons officers. Instructor is a bird colonel of some flavor, flight surgeon I think. The class is in one of the squadron buildings (they all have their own bars), and the first night he tells everyone they can't drink in class, to a chorus of moans. I work on my term paper for three weeks. Get it back, and he's written "A+, and if there was a higher grade you'd get it". At the end of class he asks all the officers to hang back. I'm mildly curious and a little offended, but screw it, I leave. I get the full story a week later. The flyers have a file cabinet in one of the squadrons with dozens of old term papers. Everybody fishes a different paper out, changes it around, maybe updates it a little and hands it in. They don't give a fuck about the class, or the degree. The AF says they have to have a Masters to make major. Fill a square. Odd thing, one of the pilots told me all the prof's knew about the file - what had really pissed him off was that nobody had bothered to "help" me. Guess it never occurred to them. He'd threatened to take a couple of them that hadn't even tried to hide their plagiarism to some kind of review. Never happened...but I knew it wouldn't. |
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On average officers are smarter than enlisted but there are of course notable exceptions. During the 1980's I went into the Navy to learn how to be a computer technician. I had a BA in Psychology but I was becoming obsessed with computers but did not want to be a starving college student again. I went enlisted with a 99 ASVAB. During my enlistment I met many incredibly smart enlisted persons. At my "C" school I had E5 and E6 instructors who were every bit as intelligent and polished as my professors at the University. Some of the most respected officers in the Navy are Warrent Officers and LDO's who came up through the ranks. View Quote I was First LT on a cruier. Had 63 non-rates. Several I would (and did) stake my life on as boast crews, etc. Some, would get lost trying to find the ship if we moved one pier over.. Look at the troops that fail to qualify for any training schools on enlistment.. Almost all officers have to have received a Bachelors Degree, so they had to have been accepted at some 4 year institution and if on an ROTC Scholarship, had to be at least somewhat competitive on SAT scores etc. So , per the op, taking the communities as a whole, everybody. Yeah to O's are smarter Those who know what Bell Curves are will likely agree. Those who don't know what a Bell Curve is, well that speaks for itself. |
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I'll raise you LTCs around a BG or MG. It's like watching ducks. I did commo in the 82nd Abn Div. I also did commo for the 18th Abn Corp Commander a few times. Try eating in a tent as the only junior enlisted and almost everyone else is O-4 to O-9 View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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I don't know about smarter, but much better at sucking that dick to get to the next O grade. Watching some CPTs interact with O4/5s is about the most stomach turning case of kiss ass I've ever witnessed. I also did commo for the 18th Abn Corp Commander a few times. Try eating in a tent as the only junior enlisted and almost everyone else is O-4 to O-9 Talking with John Ringo, even in the early '80's, the 82nd was full of careerists looking to get their stars, many of whom left the Pentagon only long enough to hold battalion command so their file would show battalion command in the division. |
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I was both. The night before I was commissioned, a bright light shown down on me and gave me instant smartness. From that day on I was the smartest MoFo in the valley. My smartness was known far and wide and all who witnessed it were duly impressed. View Quote |
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He was enlisted for at least an entire tour before that though. Mind boggling how he got as far as he did. This is a dumb question for sure but these are always entertaining. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes |
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I hadn’t thought of doing that. That way I can claim I’ve been cited in papers. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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