If you have no kids, then someone else's kids are going to be running the city, county, state and country when you are old.  It's a longshot, but I would rather have my kids in charge over someone else's progeny.

I just happen to teach my kids that entitlements are bad, and should be eliminated.  Sorry you disagree, but your opinion won't matter.

Neither will yours when you send the kids off to school and they come back preaching about how "We as a society should be providing for the less fortunate."

You are a stone cold windmill tilting, strawman slaying machine.

And a fantastic argument against some moral imperative to have kids.

Crazy that I was raised by a conservative, went to college, gained an education, came home and was still conservative.

It's almost like I was taught to be strong in my beliefs and be my own person.  Not to be swayed easily, without considerable forethought.

Amazing.  The way my parents raised me probably had nothing to do with that.  Probably.  

Most of the people that I know that decided not to have kids, had screwed up or traumatic childhoods.  Divorce, fighting, split homes.  I admire them for their decision, we are in a way programmed to repeat what we know.

i dont like kids.  i like being able to do my projects and keep my money and i like my dogs.

It may be your moral imperative, but I feel no obligation to care what you think.  That's what's nice about living in America.

In 15 years, there’s going to be a bunch of posts on the Internet from conservative parents bemoaning their liberal children and asking if they should eject.

I'd agree that it probably did. I agree because the aforementioned reasons are probably why I can say the same of myself. My sister probably decided she was of a totally different mindset because people think for themselves and you only have so much control over it.

You're disillusioned if you believe having kids is the only way to contribute to society. A lot of big donors are casting that money at causes they champion BECAUSE they don't have kids to throw it at.

Again, I'll have children. I just think your polarization on the issue is narrow minded.

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I’m healthy, conservative, and had a successful vasectomy last year.  I’m 32, and no kids that I know of.  Been to 30+ countries, two of those actively participated in combat directly and indirectly (Afghanistan and Iraq).  I came to my own conclusion not to have children.

**Edit:  It’s kind of sad to some degree.  My fathers line of the family has been in the US since 1764.  I’m the only child, no health issues in family.

Oh, I know that having children isn't the only way to contribute to society.  There are many ways to be a good person and make an impact.  But for most of us regular people, who aren't extremely wealthy, connected or otherwise, the most lasting impact we will have on society is through our offspring.  Good or bad.

I really don't care if people have kids.  Most of those who don't, shouldn't, and the world will be better off with their bloodline eliminated (exceptions for those who, for medical reasons, can't).

Sorry your sister went a different direction.  You're right that occasionally one goes awry.  However, I am doing my level best and anticipating what they will run into in college.

My grandparents are 6 for 6 with conservative kids, and my parents are 3 for 3.  I'd say we have a pretty good track record.

I know plenty who aren't having them due to financial reasons.  Clearly anyone who can afford to do all that stuff you just said doesn't have a money issue, and how they choose to live their lives is their business.  It does not constitute selfishness.

I've been hit, i've been abused, I've had the shit kicked out of me by parental figures. As such, I started doing the same to my younger half brother before I moved away.

I also maintain a long "fuse" on my personality, with lots and lots of blow offs. I do this because I get violent - not at people, but in general. It's a side of me I do not like at all. But it is a side that, unfortunately, my wife has seen a couple times (I have never nor will i ever raise a hand to her - my violence is taken out on inanimate objects).

One of the very few things that cuts my "fuse" close to the blasting cap are kids.

While I can see myself being a decent father, I can also see myself being that mother fucker that gets derided on this board for beating the shit out of kids, or being that father who is constantly mad at them for reasons unknown. This isn't fair to anyone.

So kids aren't in mine or my wifes future. I can tolerate them in small doses, but I don't do well with them even then.

Wanna know how I know that you have crotch fruit?

Also sounds like you might be feeling bad about that?

Also, winning a fuck trophy is not really a huge accomplishment in itself. Humans have been doing it forever.

At my previous job, a vocal libtard woman was the same way.  I only ever hear it from White women though, never minorities.  Not sure if its a "thing".

I had a terrible accident with a table saw and cant have kids.

Really?  Or do you mean a woman that is at least semi-attractive/nice/sense of humor?

A woman is not that hard to find, plenty of psycho's, scrawnies, fatties, medically desperate, married women, stalkers, older women etc...

This, I am far too materialistic to ever want children, need to save to get a stinger gt.

Plus they scare me.

Maybe our society should stop making it damned near impossible for those with normal, lower middle class means, to afford them then and quit subsidizing those who won't work to have kids.  Maybe our society should quit writing laws that destroy fathers in favor of mothers during divorces...and while we're on that subject, maybe our society should quit encouraging divorce as a solution to our marital problems and maybe it should quit raising what children we do have to behave like spoiled, self-entitled snowflakes, thus guaranteeing higher divorce rates.  Because who the hell wants to be married to, and raise children with, a bratty princess, a metrosexual quasi-male with a murse, a complete whore, or a complete stuck up douchebag?   (oops, those last two are actually pretty popular)

You are never going to moral grandstand people into a particular kind of behavior.  Nothing works better than economic and social incentive.

I'll address this as a religious person, yes, the Bible has "be fruitful and multiply in it."  You can make a solid argument that there is, in fact, a moral imperative.  Of course most people do not believe in the bible and aren't going to live bound by its prescriptions.  Even those of us who do, or try to, tend not to react to grandstanding as a way to change behavior.  It's an interesting theological point that makes a good commentary on just how far from God man has fallen.  It's not just that man has fallen so far, it's that even those who try to follow God don't even really come close, and not nearly as close most of us think we do.  Even the faithful among us still react far better to economic and social incentive than to biblical authority.  There are very few for which that is the other way around.  We can lament it and try to change it, but in the mean time, there is nothing to be gained by pretending the situation is anything other than what it actually is.  If we want the smarter people to reproduce, the path of least resistance is to create social and economic conditions that promote that behavior.

This will never happen, of course.  Said social and economic conditions are considered to be wildly un-PC.  It's just another way of ignoring reality, a talent that liberals and socialists have trained well into their legions useful idiots.

One of my biggest fears is how they would turn out.  With my luck they would love communism and then I would be going to jail for child (teens-to early 20's most likely) abuse after I knee them in the skull repeatedly.  I could live with most other problems except maybe child molester/rapist/serial killer.

Fuck kids. I like money.

That's precious

That is incredibly true, and it's one of the saddest realities of mankind.  It's a very hard thing to break and overcome.  It usually doesn't happen.

moral imperative?  LOL

Not all of us want rug rats running around 24/7 for 18-25 years.

GTFO

I don’t support entitlement programs, at all. I also don’t have children. How is the loss of entitlements a detriment, again? Isn’t the foundation of removing these programs based on the belief that it will be better for our society in the long run? So, future generations won’t be saddled by massive debt?

Most of the people voting to keep entitlements alive have children. They are also a benefactor of various tax breaks and credits through out their working years, that folks without children don’t receive.

I probably would’ve voted for you, until you made this bizarre and vague threat. It’s not because I want or need the entitlements, it’s because you appear to be guided by feelings, rather than logic.

Nyet. Now go mind your damn business & stay outta my life, liberal..

Lot of truth in that.

What threat?  There is no threat in my statement, unless you support entitlements like SS, welfare, medicare, etc.

Where am I saying the loss of entitlements is a detriment?  The whole point of my post was to say that I want to remove entitlements, and I will raise my children to believe and work towards the same.

I would also love to get rid of tax breaks and credits for children, EIC, etc.

I still don't see what is illogical about having children, raising them to be conservative and encouraging to eliminate entitlements - doing the same work I am doing.

It is logical to tell people I dislike entitlements, I will work to get rid of them, I will raise my children to do the same, and those without children will rely on other peoples offspring to run the country when they are old.

Funny how a fair amount of the people in my life that suggest we have kids have raised terrible kids, not all but enough to go

Yes, it will be a detriment to those who rely on entitlements.

Hence, it's only a threat to those who rely on entitlements.  Why to you take such offense to that?

I don’t take offense to it. I’m trying to figure out what the fuck it has to do with not having kids.

It's a divergence between conservative norms and the economic conditions from which they grew. The middle class is shrinking. Responsible people without a good economic outlook will refrain from creating kids if the conditions are poor.

Who will be the bulk of the people who run the country 30 years from today?  What are their ages now?

Who is raising them?

I see you've been to the Team forum.

I see the bait thread is going well...

I call them Fuck trophies but only when referring to shitbags.

While I would never want people to have kids they didn't want or love etc....Yes, I think it's selfish and self centered as all hell not to have children. It is our ONE biological imperative, there is something basically wrong with people unwilling to fulfill their purpose.

"Conservatives" are out producing libs across the country. Especially church goers, seem to remember reading that in an article somewhere. What do you think the push for amnesty is all about. I  think that the dems see the demographics and need a fresh supply of voters to go with all their dead voters.

Problem is, they are winning the war...their importation and fraud is exceeding any birthrate margin that exists. Especially since overall, american birth rates are declining overall.

That's a mighty progressive attitude you have there, dictating other people's responsibility to have children for the good of society.

I in no way intended to insult those who have health issues, emotional problems or traumatic childhoods which deter them from having kids. I certainly have tremendous compassion for people dealing with those challenges.

I'm specifically curious as to how healthy conservatives who have the ability to start a family can embrace a "no kids" attitude when it is clearly at odds with moral essence of American Conservatism and Christianity.

I make good money for a single guy living in an expensive city and live in a nice condo.

Raising a kid here is a whole different ball game. My salary wouldn't cover a top of the line day care let alone an actual house which runs a million plus in any area you'd want to walk outside and meet your neighbors.

We are lucky enough to now live in a time where kids aren't really mandatory for a family to function. Pretty much any time before recently you made them and when they were old enough they worked on the farm, in the family business, or just around the house. We also now have very easy access to effective birth control.

Conservatives are really big on personal responsibility, as well as supporting yourself financially. Not having kids can help with both of those goals for many people. For people living right on the cusp of being lower class it could mean the difference between a very comfortable life, or a very stressful one.

OP is a master baiter.

Why I won't have kids

1) I don't like them
2) the careers that my wife and I have don't allow it
3) i like my sleep
4) i like having money for travel, fishing, and adventure
5) I like having the time to do the above
6) my wife and I have no siblings and our parents are old and in poor health

and fuck kids

I hear that has a pretty low success rate at conception, too.

I just did a quick calculation and I will be getting to send another check to the .gov for taxes,since I didn't pay them enough, this year.  If I calculate in one child, with no further childcare expanses, I would be getting back over $3K.  It kind of sounds like more money is being taken from me, because I don't have children, so that it can be given to those with children.  There may be some bolsheviks here, but I don't think it's the ones with no kids.

Every human on the planet has three biologically programmed purposes when they first breath air.

#1 is to survive to reproductive maturity.

#2 is to mate and have offspring to continue the cycle.

#3 insure that the offspring survive to reproductive maturity.

Those that choose to not reproduce take themselves out of that cycle. That inaction is self correcting in the big scheme of things.