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Link Posted: 1/10/2018 6:10:47 PM EST
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Because as the Germans are finding out, when you fail to replicate your culture through reproduction of natives- it has NEGATIVE CONSEQUENCES FOR EVERYONE THAT'S A PART OF THAT CULTURE.
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The choices that people make in conducting their private, personal lives are rarely of any concern to me.  I'm still not getting why other peoples' childbearing decisions matter to the person who started this thread.  I am unswayed by the "moral imperative" and "preserving our precious way of life" arguments because those matters don't require the breeding of every able-bodied couple.
Because as the Germans are finding out, when you fail to replicate your culture through reproduction of natives- it has NEGATIVE CONSEQUENCES FOR EVERYONE THAT'S A PART OF THAT CULTURE.
Culture is replicated by the passing on of values, not of genes.  None of my ancestors on my father's side were in this country before 1874 when they immigrated from Europe.  In two generations most of their descendants were not even close to recognizable as German Mennonites who had hung out in Russia for several decades.

The importance of some "native" people breeding to perpetuate the culture does not extend to an obligation for EVERYONE to breed.

Some people cannot, some choose not to for reasons that are inherently personal and nobody else's business.
Link Posted: 1/10/2018 6:44:40 PM EST
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"moral imperative" - ROFL. The human race is doomed.
Link Posted: 1/10/2018 6:45:47 PM EST
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The couples I know who don't have kids are dog people.
I love my dog, but I don't call myself  "doggy-daddy" or my wife "doggy-mommy".
Link Posted: 1/10/2018 6:57:14 PM EST
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90% of the kid free people in this thread admitted to that theory sooo
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Bingo, the dumbest theory yet presented.
90% of the kid free people in this thread admitted to that theory sooo
I'd fall in to the 10% then.

Though more money, for whatever reason, never hurts. I think we can all agree on that.
Link Posted: 1/10/2018 7:20:33 PM EST
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You people who have decided to Reproduce,  does it bother you that the dink types like me, were able to retire in our early 50s?

I have a neighbor at my florida place who seems pissed when he sees me loading my kayak and he is loading his kids.

I’ll tell him the snook are tearing it up and he can use a kayak anytime, I’ll put him right on the fish.  He just kind of hangs his head and mumbles something like “I wish”.
Link Posted: 1/10/2018 7:24:09 PM EST
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You people who have decided to Reproduce,  does it bother you that the dink types like me, were able to retire in our early 50s?

I have a neighbor at my florida place who seems pissed when he sees me loading my kayak and he is loading his kids.

I’ll tell him the snook are tearing it up and he can use a kayak anytime, I’ll put him right on the fish.  He just kind of hangs his head and mumbles something like “I wish”.
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I have 4 kids and will be able to comfortably retire at 53, full pension, all kids will be older than 18.  What was your point, again?
Link Posted: 1/10/2018 7:41:39 PM EST
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I have 4 kids and will be able to comfortably retire at 53, full pension, all kids will be older than 18.  What was your point, again?
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You people who have decided to Reproduce,  does it bother you that the dink types like me, were able to retire in our early 50s?

I have a neighbor at my florida place who seems pissed when he sees me loading my kayak and he is loading his kids.

I’ll tell him the snook are tearing it up and he can use a kayak anytime, I’ll put him right on the fish.  He just kind of hangs his head and mumbles something like “I wish”.
I have 4 kids and will be able to comfortably retire at 53, full pension, all kids will be older than 18.  What was your point, again?
Just an observation.  Let’s go fishing.
Link Posted: 1/10/2018 7:44:03 PM EST
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I can understand 29, but damn 23 with no kids seems young
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Have a friend who got snipped at age 19, either in the late 60s or early 70s
Had to go to several doctors to find on that would do the surgery.
He has zero regrets and is the last of the lineage.
Link Posted: 1/10/2018 7:44:22 PM EST
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You people who have decided to Reproduce,  does it bother you that the dink types like me, were able to retire in our early 50s?

I have a neighbor at my florida place who seems pissed when he sees me loading my kayak and he is loading his kids.

I’ll tell him the snook are tearing it up and he can use a kayak anytime, I’ll put him right on the fish.  He just kind of hangs his head and mumbles something like “I wish”.
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I'm glad you and your kayak are having a wonderful life together.
Link Posted: 1/10/2018 7:50:30 PM EST
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I'm glad you and your kayak are having a wonderful life together.
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You people who have decided to Reproduce,  does it bother you that the dink types like me, were able to retire in our early 50s?

I have a neighbor at my florida place who seems pissed when he sees me loading my kayak and he is loading his kids.

I’ll tell him the snook are tearing it up and he can use a kayak anytime, I’ll put him right on the fish.  He just kind of hangs his head and mumbles something like “I wish”.
I'm glad you and your kayak are having a wonderful life together.
We get along well, but it’s just a yak.  The wife likes fishing in the center console more.
Link Posted: 1/10/2018 7:50:49 PM EST
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It's safe to say come the next 2-3 decades elderly care is going to be booming.
Link Posted: 1/10/2018 7:51:03 PM EST
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Merkel's Germany is the end product of childless people electing childless rulers.
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Damn childless rulers...

Link Posted: 1/10/2018 7:52:28 PM EST
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Just an observation.  Let’s go fishing.
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It’s a bit cold here.  Just got back from the weekend muzzleloader hunt.  -15 sucks balls.

Where you at in FL?  I be in Daytona in March.  Bike Week, 5 days.
Link Posted: 1/10/2018 8:00:20 PM EST
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It’s a bit cold here.  Just got back from the weekend muzzleloader hunt.  -15 sucks balls.

Where you at in FL?  I be in Daytona in March.  Bike Week, 5 days.
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Just an observation.  Let’s go fishing.
It’s a bit cold here.  Just got back from the weekend muzzleloader hunt.  -15 sucks balls.

Where you at in FL?  I be in Daytona in March.  Bike Week, 5 days.
Upper Tampa Bay.  Trout, reds and snook in March .

I got tired of the short cold Rifle seasons in Colorado, so I do archery elk now.  Rarely cold then.
Link Posted: 1/10/2018 8:03:27 PM EST
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You people who have decided to Reproduce,  does it bother you that the dink types like me, were able to retire in our early 50s?

I have a neighbor at my florida place who seems pissed when he sees me loading my kayak and he is loading his kids.

I’ll tell him the snook are tearing it up and he can use a kayak anytime, I’ll put him right on the fish.  He just kind of hangs his head and mumbles something like “I wish”.
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I’ll retire at 55 if I want.  Earlier if I decide I don’t want to pay for my kids’ college. But I want to, like my dad did for me, and he retired at 56.
Link Posted: 1/10/2018 8:07:20 PM EST
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Don’t really care if people have kids or not, not my business.

I find it hilarious when people without kids try to give parenting advice.

And no, the chihuahua you let lick peanut butter off of your balls and his ‘brother’, the lab you 69 with, are nowhere close to being comparable to children.
Link Posted: 1/10/2018 8:07:29 PM EST
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Not even a school crayon stick drawing for the refrigerator door
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No can do. I’m working on kid number two now. I dropped the first on stjames porch. Ask him for pics. I don’t have any, I’m a breeder, not a photographer.
Not even a school crayon stick drawing for the refrigerator door
Sooo . . . Dog found it before I did . . . not a pretty picture.

Link Posted: 1/10/2018 8:14:23 PM EST
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We get along well, but it’s just a yak.  The wife likes fishing in the center console more.
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Fucking boats are more of a pain in the ass than kids.  I would rather have 10 kids than one boat.
Link Posted: 1/10/2018 8:23:43 PM EST
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I think there’s a very small portion of society who don’t like/want kids.  I think there’s a much larger portion of society who “think” they don’t want kids only because they have no concept of how wonderfully life-changing the experience can be.  I thought I knew what love meant before my boys came along....I had no clue.
Link Posted: 1/10/2018 8:33:33 PM EST
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It's safe to say come the next 2-3 decades elderly care is going to be booming.
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Self-driving cars and robots will reduce the need for that. 
Link Posted: 1/10/2018 8:40:04 PM EST
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“No kids” people? You mean every single person that is, has been, or ever will be for some period of their life?
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Link Posted: 1/10/2018 8:55:11 PM EST
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So, why does Germany need to import large numbers of immigrants?

Could it be the fact that their birth levels are below replacement rates, creating a vacuum in service and industrial jobs (normally taken by young people)?
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who said they needed them......they took them because of bleeding heart syndrome
Link Posted: 1/10/2018 9:00:59 PM EST
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Upper Tampa Bay.  Trout, reds and snook in March .

I got tired of the short cold Rifle seasons in Colorado, so I do archery elk now.  Rarely cold then.
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Just an observation.  Let’s go fishing.
It’s a bit cold here.  Just got back from the weekend muzzleloader hunt.  -15 sucks balls.

Where you at in FL?  I be in Daytona in March.  Bike Week, 5 days.
Upper Tampa Bay.  Trout, reds and snook in March .

I got tired of the short cold Rifle seasons in Colorado, so I do archery elk now.  Rarely cold then.
Yo!

I'm in Lakeland. Can I borrow your boat?
Link Posted: 1/10/2018 9:05:59 PM EST
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Lol.  You really believe that?

Migration always boils down to economics.  Germany has a high demand for low wage service jobs, yet there isn’t enough young Germans to fill all jobs.  Immigration fills that vacuum.  The owners of those businesses also encourage this to have a continuous supply of uneducated, low wage workers (much like how the local Chamber of Commerce in many places in the US quietly support illegal immigration here).

Now, there is some unique guilt complex working in the German psyche, but it falls in a distant second to economic reasons.

This is basic stuff.

Read and learn
Link Posted: 1/10/2018 9:48:29 PM EST
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Sure we do.
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Ok, some bad people kill because they just feel like it, and some people breed just because. Are you one of those people? Do you think the rest of us should be? Or should we do better than that?
Link Posted: 1/10/2018 9:49:11 PM EST
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They will all vote for bigger Nanny government.    (Like they already do... but with your plan, they'll be totally in charge)
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Well, duh.
Link Posted: 1/10/2018 9:50:14 PM EST
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Have a friend who got snipped at age 19, either in the late 60s or early 70s
Had to go to several doctors to find on that would do the surgery.
He has zero regrets and is the last of the lineage.
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That's kooky talk
Link Posted: 1/10/2018 9:52:49 PM EST
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The couples I know who don't have kids are dog people.
I love my dog, but I don't call myself  "doggy-daddy" or my wife "doggy-mommy".
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Plenty of people with human children call themselves Fluffy's mom or dad. I remember my parents talking about my big brother, the huge stripy tomcat. It's just a way of talking.
Link Posted: 1/10/2018 9:55:51 PM EST
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Sooo . . . Dog found it before I did . . . not a pretty picture.

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It's cool, I'll make more. r-selected lifestyle FTW!
Link Posted: 1/10/2018 9:57:30 PM EST
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Ok, some bad people kill because they just feel like it, and some people breed just because. Are you one of those people? Do you think the rest of us should be? Or should we do better than that?
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I think survival and reproduction are a key concept of life.

So if you are not willing to kill and reproduce for the survival of your genes like all your ancestors did you fail at life.
Link Posted: 1/10/2018 10:10:23 PM EST
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I think survival and reproduction are a key concept of life.

So if you are not willing to kill and reproduce for the survival of your genes like all your ancestors did you fail at life.
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Oh no, that's not what we're talking about. We're not talking about willingness to kill.
Link Posted: 1/10/2018 10:13:37 PM EST
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You people who have decided to Reproduce,  does it bother you that the dink types like me, were able to retire in our early 50s?
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Why so late?
Link Posted: 1/10/2018 10:38:46 PM EST
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That's kooky talk
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He's a member here, want to tell him that?
Link Posted: 1/10/2018 10:52:03 PM EST
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My kids are certainly willing to kill.
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I wouldn't have accepted the tiny ninja viking princess as my overlord (overlady?) if she wasn't. I assume her siblings are similarly minded.
Link Posted: 1/10/2018 10:54:23 PM EST
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Her little Bro is a vicious little thing as well. The littlest girl is all smiles though, not sure if she is a murder machine yet.
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I have faith in your seed. The happy baby thing is a ruse, to put her enemies at ease. She'll be the most dangerous one yet.
Link Posted: 1/11/2018 12:08:56 AM EST
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I don't have any kids for the simple fact that I don't like children. It has nothing to do with anything other than that. I've made peace with that many years ago. In fact I knew I would never have any back when I was in high school.

I had a two hour period everyday where I had no classes. So I worked in the adult ed office those hours for credit. I was supposed to be one day in, and the other day in the school's day care center. That's what they called it, but it was really a program for the school's promiscuous tarts to drop their crotch fruit.

I spent a half hour or so listening to brats scream, and breathing the feted oder of shit. I bailed and refused to go back.

I have a Brother to carry on the family name, as well as a Sister make grandchildren for my parents. I'm nearly 40 and am fine with it.
Link Posted: 1/11/2018 12:31:30 AM EST
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You people who have decided to Reproduce,  does it bother you that the dink types like me, were able to retire in our early 50s?

I have a neighbor at my florida place who seems pissed when he sees me loading my kayak and he is loading his kids.

I’ll tell him the snook are tearing it up and he can use a kayak anytime, I’ll put him right on the fish.  He just kind of hangs his head and mumbles something like “I wish”.
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Your theory is sad.    Some fathers actually go Kayaking With their children!  .
Link Posted: 1/11/2018 1:05:12 AM EST
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Your theory is sad.    Some fathers actually go Kayaking With their children!  .
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Kind of hard to call that a theory when he's living it.
Link Posted: 1/11/2018 1:13:29 AM EST
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Her little Bro is a vicious little thing as well. The littlest girl is all smiles though, not sure if she is a murder machine yet.
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I wouldn't have accepted the tiny ninja viking princess as my overlord (overlady?) if she wasn't. I assume her siblings are similarly minded.
Her little Bro is a vicious little thing as well. The littlest girl is all smiles though, not sure if she is a murder machine yet.
That's how they do it. With a smile. 7 year old daughter, here.
Link Posted: 1/11/2018 1:51:24 AM EST
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Kind of hard to call that a theory when he's living it.
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Your theory is sad.    Some fathers actually go Kayaking With their children!  .
Kind of hard to call that a theory when he's living it.
You missed the quote and the context:   I was referring to the fact that DV apparently thinks that his neighbor dislikes him out of jealousy, because somehow, having children, means the guy has no time to go fishing.

This is pitiful on several levels:    1. Fatherhood doesn't mean a guy has no time to go fishing.

2. He is missing the real reason the guy dislikes him.  3. Raising kids isn't just isn't that expensive.   4. He is making all these assumptions, because he's desperate to "believe" in something.

I could retire at 55, if I had 2 children, or 4, or none.  From a purely selfish and mercenary standpoint, It makes little difference in the financial scheme of things.

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You people who have decided to Reproduce, does it bother you that the dink types like me, were able to retire in our early 50s?

I have a neighbor at my florida place who seems pissed when he sees me loading my kayak and he is loading his kids.

I’ll tell him the snook are tearing it up and he can use a kayak anytime, I’ll put him right on the fish. He just kind of hangs his head and mumbles something like “I wish”.
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You missed the quote and the context:   I was referring to the fact that DV apparently thinks that his neighbor dislikes him out of jealousy, because somehow, having children, means the guy has no time to go fishing.

This is pitiful on several levels:    1. Fatherhood doesn't mean a guy has no time to go fishing.

2. He is missing the real reason the guy dislikes him.  3. Raising kids isn't just isn't that expensive.   4. He is making all these assumptions, because he's desperate to "believe" in something.

I could retire at 55, if I had 2 children, or 4, or none.  From a purely selfish and mercenary standpoint, It makes little difference in the financial scheme of things.

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You people who have decided to Reproduce, does it bother you that the dink types like me, were able to retire in our early 50s?

I have a neighbor at my florida place who seems pissed when he sees me loading my kayak and he is loading his kids.

I’ll tell him the snook are tearing it up and he can use a kayak anytime, I’ll put him right on the fish. He just kind of hangs his head and mumbles something like “I wish”.
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yes I did
Link Posted: 1/11/2018 5:32:02 AM EST
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You missed the quote and the context:   I was referring to the fact that DV apparently thinks that his neighbor dislikes him out of jealousy, because somehow, having children, means the guy has no time to go fishing.

This is pitiful on several levels:    1. Fatherhood doesn't mean a guy has no time to go fishing.

2. He is missing the real reason the guy dislikes him.  3. Raising kids isn't just isn't that expensive.   4. He is making all these assumptions, because he's desperate to "believe" in something.

I could retire at 55, if I had 2 children, or 4, or none.  From a purely selfish and mercenary standpoint, It makes little difference in the financial scheme of things.

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You people who have decided to Reproduce, does it bother you that the dink types like me, were able to retire in our early 50s?

I have a neighbor at my florida place who seems pissed when he sees me loading my kayak and he is loading his kids.

I’ll tell him the snook are tearing it up and he can use a kayak anytime, I’ll put him right on the fish. He just kind of hangs his head and mumbles something like “I wish”.
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Your theory is sad.    Some fathers actually go Kayaking With their children!  .
Kind of hard to call that a theory when he's living it.
You missed the quote and the context:   I was referring to the fact that DV apparently thinks that his neighbor dislikes him out of jealousy, because somehow, having children, means the guy has no time to go fishing.

This is pitiful on several levels:    1. Fatherhood doesn't mean a guy has no time to go fishing.

2. He is missing the real reason the guy dislikes him.  3. Raising kids isn't just isn't that expensive.   4. He is making all these assumptions, because he's desperate to "believe" in something.

I could retire at 55, if I had 2 children, or 4, or none.  From a purely selfish and mercenary standpoint, It makes little difference in the financial scheme of things.

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You people who have decided to Reproduce, does it bother you that the dink types like me, were able to retire in our early 50s?

I have a neighbor at my florida place who seems pissed when he sees me loading my kayak and he is loading his kids.

I’ll tell him the snook are tearing it up and he can use a kayak anytime, I’ll put him right on the fish. He just kind of hangs his head and mumbles something like “I wish”.
I didn’t say he didn’t like me. We have those neighbors and their kids over a couple times a year, and they have us over the same.  His kids are pretty cool and we have done the babysitting thing for them.

They both work and the two boys keep them running when they are not working.  Ace might be onto something, when their boys get a little older I can pay them to clean my boat.
Link Posted: 1/11/2018 6:23:55 AM EST
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Thank God for the breeders, what with the danger of humans going extinct and all that.
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Why so late?
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You people who have decided to Reproduce,  does it bother you that the dink types like me, were able to retire in our early 50s?
Why so late?
Hes not on the dole? No disability claims? Not living off tax payers?

Just a a few guesses.
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Hes not on the dole? No disability claims? Not living off tax payers?
Just a a few guesses.
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You people who have decided to Reproduce,  does it bother you that the dink types like me, were able to retire in our early 50s?
Why so late?
Hes not on the dole? No disability claims? Not living off tax payers?
Just a a few guesses.
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Yeah, there’s some crazy liberal type breeders up in here!

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The only people I know that had kids that weren't an oops are the handful of bible nuts I grew up with.

Literally every last one of the others was a mistake. One I'd prefer not to make anytime soon, if at all.
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