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Link Posted: 1/10/2018 10:35:25 AM EST
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What really makes me wonder sometimes is people who substitute pets for children.

I don't care if you want kids or not, but pets are not people.
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What about subsituting children for pets? My Pomeranian keeps pulling off his clothes and eating them, does anyone have a baby to sell me instead?
Link Posted: 1/10/2018 10:37:03 AM EST
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Uhhhhh.....

And typing on ARFCOM?
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I was told to breed, not to do a good job at making sweet love.
Link Posted: 1/10/2018 10:38:17 AM EST
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Are you the chick my son the knucklhead married????
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Nope. Arfcom said breed, I’m breeding. In another thread, Arfcom says women who want to marry are pieces of shit. I won’t be getting married.
Link Posted: 1/10/2018 10:42:21 AM EST
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Am I the father? No? I don't recall making it with a white gorilla...but there was that one time we got drunk and snuck into the zoo, so....Send me a picture of the kid....
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No can do. I’m working on kid number two now. I dropped the first on stjames porch. Ask him for pics. I don’t have any, I’m a breeder, not a photographer.
Link Posted: 1/10/2018 10:43:06 AM EST
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Did anybody say that if you don't have kids you pretty much failed at life?

Reproduction is one of the main goals of life.
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For a goat.
Link Posted: 1/10/2018 10:46:01 AM EST
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People who dont have kids should not be allowed to vote/ hold office, they have no stake in the future, so they should have no say in it.
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We should “elect” officals based on how many children a woman has. More children = more of a stake = higher office. It would be all women since men can fuck and run but moms and grandmas care for the babies.
Link Posted: 1/10/2018 10:47:59 AM EST
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Because the 3rd world garbage people who reproduce like bacteria have such awesome governments.
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Culture, not copulation is the issue.....
Link Posted: 1/10/2018 10:49:21 AM EST
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No can do. I’m working on kid number two now. I dropped the first on stjames porch. Ask him for pics. I don’t have any, I’m a breeder, not a photographer.
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Not even a school crayon stick drawing for the refrigerator door
Link Posted: 1/10/2018 11:01:07 AM EST
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I don't think anyone has argued the entirity of the human species is in danger of survival.
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I will. I think there is a serious danger humanity will survive, and I'm not sure that's a good thing.
Link Posted: 1/10/2018 11:07:12 AM EST
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People who dont have kids should not be allowed to vote/ hold office, they have no stake in the future, so they should have no say in it.
Good point.
Terrible point. First a non-sequitur, and also not true. Because they have a stake in all the future from now until they die, which is all you have as well, kids or not. Your involvement ends when you die.
Link Posted: 1/10/2018 11:08:28 AM EST
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Link Posted: 1/10/2018 11:12:42 AM EST
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Link Posted: 1/10/2018 11:16:11 AM EST
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Yeah I might have considered it if my friends and former co-workers with kids would have stopped constantly complaining about what a burden their kids were.
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All my married friends are exactly the same. Complain and moan, until you pipe up with, "Yeah, I'm glad i didn't get married/have children."
Then it's like pulling a string on a chatty doll, except this one is full of cliches. "Oh marriage/kids is wonderful, it's the best. You should get some too, it's so rich and vibrant."
It's all bullshit. It's brain chemistry. When they are complaining, that's frontal cortex and rational thought. When they are spouting the other stuff, that's dopamine and oxytocin on the lizard brain. The anger is them trying to reconcile incompatibles without sounding silly even to themselves.
Link Posted: 1/10/2018 11:30:35 AM EST
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Culture, not copulation is the issue.....
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Well the two posts I quoted suggested that low birth rates were the bane of civilized society. I was simply demonstrating that high birth rates were not an indication of a healthy society. Quite the opposite actually if we look at the present trends. The only places with growing birth rates are third world shitholes. Civilized, post industrial societies all have decreasing birth rates.

Immigration of third world parasite farmers is the issue.
Link Posted: 1/10/2018 11:33:31 AM EST
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Not even a school crayon stick drawing for the refrigerator door
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Not my responsibility. I’m just popping them out.
Link Posted: 1/10/2018 11:36:03 AM EST
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Single moms/dads shouldn’t be allowed to vote either.
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That’s easy enough to work with. Plenty of men will marry a future Presidentess once she holds the baby record.
Link Posted: 1/10/2018 11:48:30 AM EST
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Well the two posts I quoted suggested that low birth rates were the bane of civilized society. I was simply demonstrating that high birth rates were not an indication of a healthy society. Quite the opposite actually if we look at the present trends. The only places with growing birth rates are third world shitholes. Civilized, post industrial societies all have decreasing birth rates.

Immigration of third world parasite farmers is the issue.
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It's certainly a part of the issue
Link Posted: 1/10/2018 11:55:14 AM EST
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Fake well to do conservatives on here.

Wouldn't surprise me if half voted for Obama for free healthcare.

I mean have you seen their mom's basement?
Link Posted: 1/10/2018 11:56:34 AM EST
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I know a couple of couples who don't want children. They've likely put more thought into that decision than anyone I know who does have children.

If only we could get more of the socialists to stop breeding.
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Statistically the Socialists have stopped breeding, that is why it is an imperative for them to import third worlders to serve as their voting base.
Link Posted: 1/10/2018 12:10:37 PM EST
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For a goat.
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For All life.
Link Posted: 1/10/2018 12:30:19 PM EST
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If we don't judge people on the choices they make.....What exactly are we supposed to judge them on? Their God given looks? Oh, I know, how they "feel" about things maybe?

There is nothing BETTER to judge people on than THEIR CHOICES IN LIFE!
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Having children or not is a choice made between partners. Judging people based on their choice is ridiculous. That is between them and nobody else's business.
If we don't judge people on the choices they make.....What exactly are we supposed to judge them on? Their God given looks? Oh, I know, how they "feel" about things maybe?

There is nothing BETTER to judge people on than THEIR CHOICES IN LIFE!
The choices that people make in conducting their private, personal lives are rarely of any concern to me.  I'm still not getting why other peoples' childbearing decisions matter to the person who started this thread.  I am unswayed by the "moral imperative" and "preserving our precious way of life" arguments because those matters don't require the breeding of every able-bodied couple.
Link Posted: 1/10/2018 12:34:44 PM EST
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No.

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FPNI.
Link Posted: 1/10/2018 12:39:06 PM EST
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Some people never grow up-those people decide not to have kids.
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Bingo it’s this. They just want more money to themselves.
Link Posted: 1/10/2018 12:43:25 PM EST
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Bingo it's this. They just want more money to themselves.
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Some people never grow up-those people decide not to have kids.
Bingo it's this. They just want more money to themselves.
Bingo, the dumbest theory yet presented.
Link Posted: 1/10/2018 1:06:34 PM EST
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Bingo it's this. They just want more money to themselves.
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Ironic post considering the thread premiss.
Link Posted: 1/10/2018 1:08:17 PM EST
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Bingo, the dumbest theory yet presented.
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90% of the kid free people in this thread admitted to that theory sooo
Link Posted: 1/10/2018 3:55:24 PM EST
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On an individual level, it should go without saying that it's your life to live as you choose. Anyone who says otherwise can fuck right off. My wife and I had one child, so we failed to even replace ourselves and are therefore contributing to the diminishing demographic and cultural dominance our kind once enjoyed. Whether or not that's a net positive or negative for the rest of the world is pretty subjective stuff.

On a societal/cultural level, the dangers of failing to maintain or grow your population should be pretty self evident. As mentioned above, Germany (and much of the EU) are experiencing negative population growth. To keep their economy running, they need immigrants. Those immigrants, by definition, are not culturally German. So German culture is diluted/diminished/pick-your-favorite-word as immigrants make up a growing segment of the population.

Demographics really are destiny, and if you happen to enjoy your enlightened, liberal (in the classic sense, a society that values personal liberty) Western society... You know what you have to do.
Link Posted: 1/10/2018 4:02:20 PM EST
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I wouldn’t know, I’ve been boycotting for years. Just send cash.
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You’re a good egg
Link Posted: 1/10/2018 4:07:09 PM EST
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I do no sex
Link Posted: 1/10/2018 4:10:23 PM EST
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The choices that people make in conducting their private, personal lives are rarely of any concern to me.  I'm still not getting why other peoples' childbearing decisions matter to the person who started this thread.  I am unswayed by the "moral imperative" and "preserving our precious way of life" arguments because those matters don't require the breeding of every able-bodied couple.
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Because as the Germans are finding out, when you fail to replicate your culture through reproduction of natives- it has NEGATIVE CONSEQUENCES FOR EVERYONE THAT'S A PART OF THAT CULTURE.
Link Posted: 1/10/2018 4:41:55 PM EST
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I don't think he needs a hug.

Willing to kick in a few bucks for a trip for him to Vegas or Reno.
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I want a kid...I just can't find anyone that will let me stick my dick in them
This post made me sad. I’d hug you if I could.
I don't think he needs a hug.

Willing to kick in a few bucks for a trip for him to Vegas or Reno.


Link Posted: 1/10/2018 4:46:26 PM EST
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People who dont have kids should not be allowed to vote/ hold office, they have no stake in the future, so they should have no say in it.
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I certainly hope you are being sarcastic
Link Posted: 1/10/2018 4:48:55 PM EST
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For All life.
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Humans are beyond mere life. We’re different from other animals in some ways. This is one of them. We also don’t kill just because we feel like it.
Link Posted: 1/10/2018 4:53:06 PM EST
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I certainly hope you are being sarcastic
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How dare you? RustedAce is straight shooter. He’s incapable of something as insincere as sarcasm. To him, parody is an impossibility. You need to look past his humorlessness and appreciate his earnestness.
Link Posted: 1/10/2018 4:54:41 PM EST
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Muslim Radicals love the no kid westernized posture
Link Posted: 1/10/2018 4:57:44 PM EST
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I hear this one a lot as welll,.. who will take care of you when your old?...

My worst effing nightmare is forcing some poor soul to clean me, wipe my ass, help me do mundane tasks, I would never ever burdon someone with those things.

When I'm to old to feed myself or wipe my own ass I will die a dignified death, if I make it that long.

I know some people can't wrap their heads around this, but I like being alone, other people annoy me, I don't want them around...at all...period.

It's not because I'm angry, or sad, or psycotic, or whatever, I'm super happy and love life,..as long as I don't have to put up with other people.
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That isn't how it works. There is a time gap between being independent and needing to go into a home. That gap can be for several years, maybe even more than a decade, if you have family who can visit a couple of times a week, help with the bills/taxes, make sure you get doctor visits, etc. Without kids to help out, you end up in a home much sooner, plus you want kids to check up on to make sure you are being treated well in the home. Without kids checking up, a sadistic nurse could do all sorts of nasty shit, and who would know, especially if you are too old to communicate? Nursing homes are definitely a circle of hell, but the patients w/o family are the lowest circle of all.
Link Posted: 1/10/2018 5:03:49 PM EST
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Humans are beyond mere life. We’re different from other animals in some ways. This is one of them. We also don’t kill just because we feel like it.
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Sure we do.
Link Posted: 1/10/2018 5:15:15 PM EST
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The doc let you get snipped at 23 with no kids? I didn't think they'd do that.

Edit: I'm in no way trying to be insulting. Just curious
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Got a vasectomy at 23. Our dogs and jobs are enough trouble, the missus and I don't want kids preventing us from doing what we want.
The doc let you get snipped at 23 with no kids? I didn't think they'd do that.

Edit: I'm in no way trying to be insulting. Just curious
I had mine at 29, they made me have two meetings with the doctor first, one of them with my wife there.
Link Posted: 1/10/2018 5:20:31 PM EST
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Serious question:  Do those of you with small children honestly expect your kids to have a better life than you have had?

I ask that because (in my opinion), fathers for many generations have believed their kids could have a better life.  Which is one of the many reasons we don't have children. . .
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Of course. We make better money than our parents, so we can give them more opportunity, and hopefully they will use that opportunity to do the same for their children.

I see no reason why they couldn't have a better life than me as long a they make good choices (it's my job to teach them how to make good choices).

Why do you think current kids can't have a better life than their parents? It's not like we are going to turn into Ugunda in 20 years.
Link Posted: 1/10/2018 5:23:54 PM EST
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We should “elect” officals based on how many children a woman has. More children = more of a stake = higher office. It would be all women since men can fuck and run but moms and grandmas care for the babies.
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People who dont have kids should not be allowed to vote/ hold office, they have no stake in the future, so they should have no say in it.
We should “elect” officals based on how many children a woman has. More children = more of a stake = higher office. It would be all women since men can fuck and run but moms and grandmas care for the babies.
They will all vote for bigger Nanny government.    (Like they already do... but with your plan, they'll be totally in charge)
Link Posted: 1/10/2018 5:28:18 PM EST
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I feel dumber having simply read this
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These threads are always good entertainment.

Bolsheviks vs Breeders, round 10.
Link Posted: 1/10/2018 5:34:28 PM EST
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The OP hopes to out breed the democrats.
Link Posted: 1/10/2018 5:36:12 PM EST
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The 'point' about breeding more conservatives isn't much of one in my mind. How can you know beyond a shadow of a doubt that your children will grow up to have the same political views that you do? Kids are their own people, not your xerox clones.
Link Posted: 1/10/2018 5:41:25 PM EST
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The 'point' about breeding more conservatives isn't much of one in my mind. How can you know beyond a shadow of a doubt that your children will grow up to have the same political views that you do? Kids are their own people, not your xerox clones.
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Nothing in life is a guarantee.  But you can do a hell of a lot to influence and mold your kid and to teach them to be a conservative.  Yes, I said influence and mold them.  Kids aren't capable of deciding who they are when they are young.  It's up to you to show them the way.

"Oh, there is a 10% chance my kids could become liberal.  Better give up now."

I'm pretty much when I hear the particular complaint that they might grow up to be liberal.
Link Posted: 1/10/2018 5:51:00 PM EST
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All my married friends are exactly the same. Complain and moan, until you pipe up with, "Yeah, I'm glad i didn't get married/have children."
Then it's like pulling a string on a chatty doll, except this one is full of cliches. "Oh marriage/kids is wonderful, it's the best. You should get some too, it's so rich and vibrant."
It's all bullshit. It's brain chemistry. When they are complaining, that's frontal cortex and rational thought. When they are spouting the other stuff, that's dopamine and oxytocin on the lizard brain. The anger is them trying to reconcile incompatibles without sounding silly even to themselves.
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Yeah I might have considered it if my friends and former co-workers with kids would have stopped constantly complaining about what a burden their kids were.
All my married friends are exactly the same. Complain and moan, until you pipe up with, "Yeah, I'm glad i didn't get married/have children."
Then it's like pulling a string on a chatty doll, except this one is full of cliches. "Oh marriage/kids is wonderful, it's the best. You should get some too, it's so rich and vibrant."
It's all bullshit. It's brain chemistry. When they are complaining, that's frontal cortex and rational thought. When they are spouting the other stuff, that's dopamine and oxytocin on the lizard brain. The anger is them trying to reconcile incompatibles without sounding silly even to themselves.
That's a fascinating rant.    It says everything about your individual perspective.

Parenthood Is indeed full of contradictions.    It's the toughest and most thankless job, and also the most rewarding.

You can spout all you want about "dopamine and oxytocin" but if you know those words, than you know enough to realize that our entire consciousness is "Brain chemistry".

The "Lizard brain" bit, just makes you sound like a jealous and clueless geek.   You can throw it out, along with "crotchfruit" and the like.

All parts of our brain, contribute to who we are.   The part that you term "Lizard brain", is actually, the complete opposite.    Without it, we would have no Self sacrifice, no love of family, God or country.   Nothing that makes us human.   Nothing that makes life worth living.

You, participating in a conversation about parenthood, would be like me complaining about my taxes, to immigrants from Africa.    They could relate on some level, but they wouldn't and couldn't truly understand.
Link Posted: 1/10/2018 5:56:57 PM EST
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Because as the Germans are finding out, when you fail to replicate your culture through reproduction of natives- it has NEGATIVE CONSEQUENCES FOR EVERYONE THAT'S A PART OF THAT CULTURE.
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No, Germany is finding out that when you introduce a massive number of people suddenly, it changes your culture.

It's not like the ROPers bred their current populations in Germany.  They all came there after the fact because Germany invited them.

Germany is more a lesson on unchecked immigration than it is a treatise on why people should be guilted into procreation.
Link Posted: 1/10/2018 5:57:19 PM EST
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I had mine at 29, they made me have two meetings with the doctor first, one of them with my wife there.
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I can understand 29, but damn 23 with no kids seems young
Link Posted: 1/10/2018 5:58:32 PM EST
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That isn't how it works. There is a time gap between being independent and needing to go into a home. That gap can be for several years, maybe even more than a decade, if you have family who can visit a couple of times a week, help with the bills/taxes, make sure you get doctor visits, etc. Without kids to help out, you end up in a home much sooner, plus you want kids to check up on to make sure you are being treated well in the home. Without kids checking up, a sadistic nurse could do all sorts of nasty shit, and who would know, especially if you are too old to communicate? Nursing homes are definitely a circle of hell, but the patients w/o family are the lowest circle of all.
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I can easily solve those issues by speeding up the death part.

If I can't take care of myself, and never will be able to again.... I'm not going to wait around to die.
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No, Germany is finding out that when you introduce a massive number of people suddenly, it changes your culture.

It's not like the ROPers bred their current populations in Germany.  They all came there after the fact because Germany invited them.

Germany is more a lesson on unchecked immigration than it is a treatise on why people should be guilted into procreation.
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So, why does Germany need to import large numbers of immigrants?

Could it be the fact that their birth levels are below replacement rates, creating a vacuum in service and industrial jobs (normally taken by young people)?
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