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Posted: 9/28/2021 6:23:01 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: But the math & physics don't stand upwhich is why dark matter investigations are ongoing. Human nature is to understand things in our limited capacity & it leads to superstitionif we kill & burn a lamb, we'll appease god & have a good harvest.or, if we don't do it "right," we deserve the wrath of god, death of our children, pestilence and whatever else comes our waywhy would a supreme being be that petty? Why would a god have human qualities? Alternately, if we rotate crops & fertilize our fieldswe can eat the lamb & have a good harvest, get laid & make babies. I also agree about the pettiness of a so called supreme being. If something evolved that far, I think it would lose those shitty qualities along the way. Maybe not. |
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Posted: 9/28/2021 6:23:38 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Because if they weren't there's no one around to notice they didn't. BAZINGA! |
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Posted: 9/28/2021 6:24:10 PM EST
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Lucky as shit. Same as you and everything else on this wet ball of mud so small in comparison it would make a cancer cell in your ass hole think its God.
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Posted: 9/28/2021 6:24:17 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Agnostic here, and I don't know. But that is not conducive to shitposting so.... https://i.imgur.com/IXFfeIQ_d.webp?maxwidth=640&shape=thumb&fidelity=medium  Attached File |
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Posted: 9/28/2021 6:24:29 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: No one knows Just like you really dont know if there is a God or it wouldnt be called faith. Take your little invisible being and go to the religion section and start shit. God is not proven, no existence of any God from any religion has been. Not go pray and eat bread and drink wine for his body and blood The bible is fucking creepy as fuck and you have a guy on a cross as a symbol lol Case in point right here. The natural man never knows what the spiritual man is doing and is frustrated. It is not possible and the typical only stirs up contention. Edit: a study |
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Posted: 9/28/2021 6:25:46 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: This is possible. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: The Universe is a simulation. This is possible. |
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Posted: 9/28/2021 6:26:04 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Not his first - thepantydropper didn't do his troll threads any favors with that username.  Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: troll thread Not his first - thepantydropper didn't do his troll threads any favors with that username. Yea, shame on me for engaging, one of his other recent threads were equally absurd. |
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Posted: 9/28/2021 6:32:46 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Magnets Also "thepantydropper" is a very Christian user name. 
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Posted: 9/28/2021 6:34:56 PM EST
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Is this one of those threads where people argue unknowable shit with complete and utter conviction?
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Posted: 9/28/2021 6:35:50 PM EST
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"depends on what your definition of is is"
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Posted: 9/28/2021 6:35:54 PM EST
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As more and more data came in about stars having a red shift it became evident that the Universe came from a central point. Which caused a lot of hatred for astronomers, funding threatened etc. because it sounded like God at the center of the Universe creating away. A Catholic priest came up with the Big Bang theory which solved the problem of sounding like God was working away even though it basically sounds like God made everything in one shot.
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Posted: 9/28/2021 6:38:30 PM EST
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The only word that explains it is creation. Anything else is a logical fallacy
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Posted: 9/28/2021 6:38:49 PM EST
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If:
1 created 2.... Who/what created 1? That is the answer we will never know. If you sit back and really think about it, it is absolutely mind boggling. Pick any object you can think of and you'll know where/how it was made. You'll never be able to figure out who/what created 1 though. |
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Posted: 9/28/2021 6:39:57 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The only word that explains it is creation. Anything else is a logical fallacy Yeah no. I don't think you know what the bolded means. |
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Posted: 9/28/2021 6:41:27 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Once all the stars burn out and all matter is consumed into black holes, it is all released again from a singular point via a big bang. Our universe began from the previous universe's death. That is how the Universe our Universe is simulated in is. |
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Posted: 9/28/2021 6:43:26 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The Universe is a simulation. I’m looking for the cheat codes. |
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Posted: 9/28/2021 6:44:17 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I don't know. Same, and I'm ok with it. |
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Posted: 9/28/2021 6:44:25 PM EST
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Dont poke the heathens
ETA Heard this one the other night. Very interesting concept of computer AI so advanced it found God.  "When Science Found God" Creepypasta |
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Posted: 9/28/2021 6:44:47 PM EST
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devout atheist checking in. no one yet knows the answer as to how the universe started, but I do know that all of the ancient solutions aren't even close. they did the best they could with what accumulated knowledge they had, and a few had surprising intuition and problem solving skills but the symphony of the cosmos was far beyond their reach.
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Posted: 9/28/2021 6:45:26 PM EST
[#20]
@thepantydropper
Does everything have a cause? |
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Posted: 9/28/2021 6:46:09 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yeah no. I don't think you know what the bolded means. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: The only word that explains it is creation. Anything else is a logical fallacy Yeah no. I don't think you know what the bolded means. Sure I do Explain nothing turning into something without using creation |
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Posted: 9/28/2021 6:46:53 PM EST
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We simply don’t know (hopefully yet). There is a long list of things we don’t yet know or have figured out. That doesn’t mean there isn’t an answer.
Look at how much science and applied science has discovered and then improved our society. I’d be willing to wager though that a human like god didn’t just decide one day to create the universe and snap his fingers and make it happen after a previous infinity of boredom. The whole idea that “god created humans in his image” is a major level of arrogance and human created perceived self importance. |
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Posted: 9/28/2021 6:47:59 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Sure I do Explain nothing turning into something without using creation Nah, you don't. |
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Posted: 9/28/2021 6:47:59 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If: 1 created 2.... Who/what created 1? That is the answer we will never know. If you sit back and really think about it, it is absolutely mind boggling. Pick any object you can think of and you'll know where/how it was made. You'll never be able to figure out who/what created 1 though. "They" or "Us" has always been. So, was "Us" developed over so much time that the human intellect cannot fathom it? Or, does "Us" have the total capability to operate in or out of time completely? How long does that take? The total juncture of "Us?" Should we in our present condition even contemplate such things? I don't think so. |
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Posted: 9/28/2021 6:48:13 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If we were visited by another much more advanced humanoid life form would that throw religion out the window? That is how religion started. |
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Posted: 9/28/2021 6:48:14 PM EST
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Is the Christian explanation of the beginning of the universe any better?
Both camps have no ducking clue what they are talking about. |
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Posted: 9/28/2021 6:49:59 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Is this one of those threads where people argue unknowable shit with complete and utter conviction? Yep |
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Posted: 9/28/2021 6:50:00 PM EST
[#28]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Nah, you don't. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Sure I do Explain nothing turning into something without using creation Nah, you don't. So you can't? |
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Posted: 9/28/2021 6:50:06 PM EST
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A whole lot of the stuff being said in this thread could be cleared up and a lot of knowledge gained by watching that video I posted.
If you believe that 1+1=2 a lot of the physics can not be denied. It is a simple as that. |
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Posted: 9/28/2021 6:50:10 PM EST
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Smoked on this question a lot back when was like 13. The obvious answer from a creationist is "God had to create it.", but then a new one pops up: "If God just willed it into being, then where did he come from?"
 I never figured those mysteries out. Limited intelligence hampers that ability, but i did conclude that most scientists and creationists are just pulling stuff out of their asses to sound like authorities. |
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Posted: 9/28/2021 6:50:38 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So you can't? |
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Posted: 9/28/2021 6:50:48 PM EST
[#32]
Quote HistoryQuoted: OP is forgetting something. That the same question can be applied to any ultimate being/god. The creator of everything, what was its origin? If one uses the classic response of 'always was, cannot not be' then there could also be anything else which 'always was and cannot not be' The point of OP’s question is that the something from nothing conundrum is uniquely problematic for those who require a naturalistic explanation for everything. |
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Posted: 9/28/2021 6:51:13 PM EST
[#33]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I’m looking for the cheat codes. IDKFA or up-up, down-down, etc ? |
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Posted: 9/28/2021 6:52:28 PM EST
[#34]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Incorrect. Let’s rephrase. What caused there to be something, instead of nothing. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: There is no "before" the Big Bang. It's hard for our brains to wrap around, but asking what happened before the Big Bang is like asking "what's North of the North Pole?" The question itself has no meaning. Incorrect. Let’s rephrase. What caused there to be something, instead of nothing. You're not understanding my point. Our conception of the Universe, by definition, can't handle a pre-Universe state. Physics as we know it make no sense before the Big Bang. We simply don't have a scientific vocabulary to have that discussion. |
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Posted: 9/28/2021 6:53:41 PM EST
[#35]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Is the Christian explanation of the beginning of the universe any better? Both camps have no ducking clue what they are talking about. Go on.. |
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Posted: 9/28/2021 6:53:46 PM EST
[#36]
"I don't know the answer to big questions like this so I just say 'God did it!' and that's enough for me."
  I'm glad not everyone does that or else we'd still be stuck in the dark ages. |
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Posted: 9/28/2021 6:54:49 PM EST
[#37]
Science Yo.
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Posted: 9/28/2021 6:55:13 PM EST
[#38]
Quote HistoryQuoted: To you, no. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: So you can't? Interesting Nothing turning into something is creation. It's the only logical explanation What's your logic? |
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Posted: 9/28/2021 6:55:24 PM EST
[#39]
Quote HistoryQuoted: @thepantydropper Does everything have a cause? I would argue everything has an efficient cause. |
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Posted: 9/28/2021 6:56:57 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I would argue everything has an efficient cause. |
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Posted: 9/28/2021 6:57:16 PM EST
[#41]
for starters, I reject the title "Atheist", as Atheists believe there is no God. I suspect there is no God, but feel there is not enough evidence to state that as "fact".
And the same goes for the beginning of the Universe. We have some interesting theories, and some data concerning that. But no where near enough to say conclusively what happened at the very beginning. Maybe one day we'll know for sure, but I suspect that will require a unified field theory. |
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Posted: 9/28/2021 6:59:21 PM EST
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Quoted: It seems apparent To who? And why? You simply saying it's apparent doesn't make it so. |
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Posted: 9/28/2021 6:59:38 PM EST
[#43]
Quote HistoryQuoted: "I don't know the answer to big questions like this so I just say 'God did it!' and that's enough for me." I'm glad not everyone does that or else we'd still be stuck in the dark ages. That isn't where the debate starts. It's where people jump to when they can't admit they have faith in unexplainable science |
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Posted: 9/28/2021 7:00:20 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: What is an efficient cause? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I would argue everything has an efficient cause. Agency or Efficiency: an efficient cause consists of things apart from the thing being changed, which interact so as to be an agency of the change. For example, the efficient cause of a table is a carpenter acting on wood. In the natural world, the efficient cause of a child is a father. |
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Posted: 9/28/2021 7:01:47 PM EST
[#45]
Quote HistoryQuoted: That isn't where the debate starts. It's where people jump to when they can't admit they have faith in unexplainable science Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: "I don't know the answer to big questions like this so I just say 'God did it!' and that's enough for me." I'm glad not everyone does that or else we'd still be stuck in the dark ages. That isn't where the debate starts. It's where people jump to when they can't admit they have faith in unexplainable science Science isn't a god; it's a process that starts with the statement, "I don't know," and ends with the statement, "but I might be wrong, so check my work." |
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Posted: 9/28/2021 7:02:21 PM EST
[#46]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Agency or Efficiency: an efficient cause consists of things apart from the thing being changed, which interact so as to be an agency of the change. For example, the efficient cause of a table is a carpenter acting on wood. In the natural world, the efficient cause of a child is a father. |
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Posted: 9/28/2021 7:02:44 PM EST
[#47]
Quote HistoryQuoted: devout atheist checking in. no one yet knows the answer as to how the universe started, but I do know that all of the ancient solutions aren't even close. they did the best they could with what accumulated knowledge they had, and a few had surprising intuition and problem solving skills but the symphony of the cosmos was far beyond their reach. Well stated |
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Posted: 9/28/2021 7:06:01 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That isn't where the debate starts. It's where people jump to when they can't admit they have faith in unexplainable science Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: "I don't know the answer to big questions like this so I just say 'God did it!' and that's enough for me." I'm glad not everyone does that or else we'd still be stuck in the dark ages. That isn't where the debate starts. It's where people jump to when they can't admit they have faith in unexplainable science Ironic. “Science will figure it out, they just haven’t yet” is the same as “God did it” |
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Posted: 9/28/2021 7:10:22 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Ironic. “Science will figure it out, they just haven’t yet” is the same as “God did it” Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: "I don't know the answer to big questions like this so I just say 'God did it!' and that's enough for me." I'm glad not everyone does that or else we'd still be stuck in the dark ages. That isn't where the debate starts. It's where people jump to when they can't admit they have faith in unexplainable science Ironic. “Science will figure it out, they just haven’t yet” is the same as “God did it” What's ironic is the atheists desire to disprove creation relies on their faith in science |
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Posted: 9/28/2021 7:12:56 PM EST
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Im not an athiest, but on the other side, how do you answer the reason for everything expanding; moving apart from one another?
Perhaps the moon constantly moving away from the earth? How do you answer neanderthal? How do you answer Nod, where Cain went and met his wife? Where did these people come from? There’s a lot of unanswered questions out there, I guess that’s why they call it faith. My guess is no matter what, it doesnt change the actual message of the bible, because its not about dinosaurs or space in the end. |
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