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Posted: 9/28/2021 7:14:28 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Ironic. “Science will figure it out, they just haven’t yet” is the same as “God did it” Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: "I don't know the answer to big questions like this so I just say 'God did it!' and that's enough for me."   I'm glad not everyone does that or else we'd still be stuck in the dark ages. That isn't where the debate starts. It's where people jump to when they can't admit they have faith in unexplainable science Ironic. “Science will figure it out, they just haven’t yet” is the same as “God did it” I would argue that science is looking for answers, while the religious are good enough with a non-answer that discourages natural human curiosity. |
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Posted: 9/28/2021 7:15:49 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: What's ironic is the atheists desire to disprove creation relies on their faith in science  |
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Posted: 9/28/2021 7:17:41 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: OK. So everything has an efficient cause. What do you think is the cause of the universe (matter, time, etc...)? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Agency or Efficiency: an efficient cause consists of things apart from the thing being changed, which interact so as to be an agency of the change. For example, the efficient cause of a table is a carpenter acting on wood. In the natural world, the efficient cause of a child is a father. An ETERNAL being that exists outside of time and space which freely chooses to create the universe. |
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Posted: 9/28/2021 7:18:08 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: What's ironic is the atheists desire to disprove creation relies on their faith in science You don't seem to have much to contribute |
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Posted: 9/28/2021 7:20:19 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I don't know. Neither we (atheists since you singled us out), nor science, claims to have answers for everything. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: All of modern science points to a finite past. Thus, time and space had a beginning. In an Atheistic worldview, how does one get a beginning to the universe? It seems apparent there needs to be a causal event, "Big Bang" theory, but before time and space existed, how does one get said causal event? It would seem that something would need to exist beyond time and space to create the universe. School me atheists.  Neither we (atheists since you singled us out), nor science, claims to have answers for everything. You must not have met many atheists then. 
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Posted: 9/28/2021 7:20:58 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Once all the stars burn out and all matter is consumed into black holes, it is all released again from a singular point via a big bang. Our universe began from the previous universe's death. Except all the evidence points to theUniverse expanding in all directions. That means that gravitational forces are reducing and the likelihood of everything bouncing back like a rubber band is zero. |
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Posted: 9/28/2021 7:21:21 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I would argue that science is looking for answers, while the religious are good enough with a non-answer that discourages natural human curiosity. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: "I don't know the answer to big questions like this so I just say 'God did it!' and that's enough for me." I'm glad not everyone does that or else we'd still be stuck in the dark ages. That isn't where the debate starts. It's where people jump to when they can't admit they have faith in unexplainable science Ironic. “Science will figure it out, they just haven’t yet” is the same as “God did it” I would argue that science is looking for answers, while the religious are good enough with a non-answer that discourages natural human curiosity. I’m a man of science and also religious. I believe science points to creation. Those two things aren’t at odds. |
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Posted: 9/28/2021 7:23:53 PM EST
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Posted: 9/28/2021 7:25:13 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: What's ironic is the atheists desire to disprove creation relies on their faith in science No one knows the beginning and no one will . including you |
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Posted: 9/28/2021 7:27:27 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Actually no. No one knows the beginning and no one will . including you Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: What's ironic is the atheists desire to disprove creation relies on their faith in science No one knows the beginning and no one will . including you If someone claims it didn't start with creation, they have faith, because they believe something that can't be proved |
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Posted: 9/28/2021 7:28:13 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Im not an athiest, but on the other side, how do you answer the reason for everything expanding; moving apart from one another? Perhaps the moon constantly moving away from the earth? How do you answer neanderthal? How do you answer Nod, where Cain went and met his wife? Where did these people come from? There’s a lot of unanswered questions out there, I guess that’s why they call it faith. My guess is no matter what, it doesnt change the actual message of the bible, because its not about dinosaurs or space in the end. Only humans care so much about telling other humans how to do things. |
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Posted: 9/28/2021 7:29:10 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Actually no. No one knows the beginning and no one will . including you Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: What's ironic is the atheists desire to disprove creation relies on their faith in science No one knows the beginning and no one will . including you I think he’s referring to induction. To even do science you have to make certain assumptions on faith. |
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Posted: 9/28/2021 7:29:13 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I’m a man of science and also religious. I believe science points to creation. Those two things aren’t at odds. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: "I don't know the answer to big questions like this so I just say 'God did it!' and that's enough for me." I'm glad not everyone does that or else we'd still be stuck in the dark ages. That isn't where the debate starts. It's where people jump to when they can't admit they have faith in unexplainable science Ironic. “Science will figure it out, they just haven’t yet” is the same as “God did it” I would argue that science is looking for answers, while the religious are good enough with a non-answer that discourages natural human curiosity. I’m a man of science and also religious. I believe science points to creation. Those two things aren’t at odds. Go watch some debates with Kent Hovind on youtube. He is a creationist and he mops the floor with the atheists/evolutionists. |
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Posted: 9/28/2021 7:29:18 PM EST
[#14]
I don't know nor do I care.
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Posted: 9/28/2021 7:29:39 PM EST
[#15]
Surely the creator has a creator if things don’t magically appear out of nowhere.
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Posted: 9/28/2021 7:32:52 PM EST
[#16]
Quote HistoryQuoted: If someone claims it didn't start with creation, they have faith, because they believe something that can't be proved |
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Posted: 9/28/2021 7:33:17 PM EST
[#17]
Here is a good one...
 Debate @ University:Creationist vs Evolutionist |
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Posted: 9/28/2021 7:34:07 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I think he's referring to induction. To even do science you have to make certain assumptions on faith. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: What's ironic is the atheists desire to disprove creation relies on their faith in science No one knows the beginning and no one will . including you I think he's referring to induction. To even do science you have to make certain assumptions on faith. |
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Posted: 9/28/2021 7:34:15 PM EST
[#19]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Surely the creator has a creator if things don’t magically appear out of nowhere. Why are atheists content at believing things can be infinite, but not God? |
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Posted: 9/28/2021 7:34:16 PM EST
[#20]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Surely the creator has a creator if things don’t magically appear out of nowhere.  Attached File |
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Posted: 9/28/2021 7:34:39 PM EST
[#21]
Atheist believe the scientific impossibility that “nothing” created every thing. The human eye, puppies , butterflies , sunsets , snowflakes , spring showers , fluffy kittens , falling in love , children’s laughter
Thank you Big Bang! |
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Posted: 9/28/2021 7:37:05 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Atheist believe the scientific impossibility that "nothing" created every thing. The human eye, puppies , butterflies , sunsets , snowflakes , spring showers , fluffy kittens , falling in love , children's laughter Thank you Big Bang! |
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Posted: 9/28/2021 7:37:38 PM EST
[#23]
Quote HistoryQuoted: He was just making a stab ,he's not referring to anything but snark Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: What's ironic is the atheists desire to disprove creation relies on their faith in science No one knows the beginning and no one will . including you I think he's referring to induction. To even do science you have to make certain assumptions on faith. No, it isn't. You replied to a comment about atheists, but then said you're agnostic My statement is true. Atheists put their faith in science. It's ironic |
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Posted: 9/28/2021 7:39:25 PM EST
[#24]
Quote HistoryQuoted: No, it isn't. You replied to a comment about atheists, but then said you're agnostic My statement is true. Atheists put their faith in science. It's ironic Isn't it kind of hypocritical you making fun with the snarky comments on someone's beliefs when the whole premise of your religion is faith |
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Posted: 9/28/2021 7:39:47 PM EST
[#25]
Quote HistoryQuoted: You don't seem to have much to contribute Now there's some actual irony. Thank you for the chuckles! |
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Posted: 9/28/2021 7:44:03 PM EST
[#26]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Except all the evidence points to theUniverse expanding in all directions. That means that gravitational forces are reducing and the likelihood of everything bouncing back like a rubber band is zero. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Once all the stars burn out and all matter is consumed into black holes, it is all released again from a singular point via a big bang. Our universe began from the previous universe's death. Except all the evidence points to theUniverse expanding in all directions. That means that gravitational forces are reducing and the likelihood of everything bouncing back like a rubber band is zero. Nah I don't think it bounces back like a rubber band at all. Eventually all the black holes dispersed throughout the universe suck up the majority of all matter. Once the amount of matter that is super compressed via black holes reaches a certain % of the total matter in existence, probably about 87%, it is all transmitted via wormholes or magnets or something into a singularity which immediately blows up creating another beginning. Or, you know, spirits and shit. |
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Posted: 9/28/2021 7:45:56 PM EST
[#27]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Prove your religion...give me facts not based on faith that proves God created everything Isn't it kind of hypocritical you making fun with the snarky comments on someone's beliefs when the whole premise of your religion is faith Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: No, it isn't. You replied to a comment about atheists, but then said you're agnostic My statement is true. Atheists put their faith in science. It's ironic Isn't it kind of hypocritical you making fun with the snarky comments on someone's beliefs when the whole premise of your religion is faith Bible - God creates the heavens and earth Science - Big Bang created time and space (Both align) Bible In the beginning was the word, and the word was with him Science - universe has a natural law (physics) (Both align) Bible Ten Commandments (Gods law for humans) Society (human rights) Both align, although I would argue in an atheistic worldview you cannot reach objective moral values and duties. |
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Posted: 9/28/2021 7:46:28 PM EST
[#28]
Why does God need a Starship.
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Posted: 9/28/2021 7:47:22 PM EST
[#29]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Prove your religion...give me facts not based on faith that proves God created everything Isn't it kind of hypocritical you making fun with the snarky comments on someone's beliefs when the whole premise of your religion is faith It isn't snarky. I do have faith Atheists can't seem to admit their belief requires faith |
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Posted: 9/28/2021 7:47:38 PM EST
[#30]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Nah I don't think it bounces back like a rubber band at all. Eventually all the black holes dispersed throughout the universe suck up the majority of all matter. Once the amount of matter that is super compressed via black holes reaches a certain % of the total matter in existence, probably about 87%, it is all transmitted via wormholes or magnets or something into a singularity which immediately blows up creating another beginning. Or, you know, spirits and shit. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Once all the stars burn out and all matter is consumed into black holes, it is all released again from a singular point via a big bang. Our universe began from the previous universe's death. Except all the evidence points to theUniverse expanding in all directions. That means that gravitational forces are reducing and the likelihood of everything bouncing back like a rubber band is zero. Nah I don't think it bounces back like a rubber band at all. Eventually all the black holes dispersed throughout the universe suck up the majority of all matter. Once the amount of matter that is super compressed via black holes reaches a certain % of the total matter in existence, probably about 87%, it is all transmitted via wormholes or magnets or something into a singularity which immediately blows up creating another beginning. Or, you know, spirits and shit. Does this have a beginning, or is it infinite. If it’s Infinite, can you explain how you work around having an infinite by successive addition. If it’s finite, then something caused the first iteration of your theory. What are your thoughts on that? |
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Posted: 9/28/2021 7:48:30 PM EST
[#31]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Does this have a beginning, or is it infinite. If it’s Infinite, can you explain how you work around having an infinite by successive addition. If it’s finite, then something caused the first iteration of your theory. What are your thoughts on that? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Once all the stars burn out and all matter is consumed into black holes, it is all released again from a singular point via a big bang. Our universe began from the previous universe's death. Except all the evidence points to theUniverse expanding in all directions. That means that gravitational forces are reducing and the likelihood of everything bouncing back like a rubber band is zero. Nah I don't think it bounces back like a rubber band at all. Eventually all the black holes dispersed throughout the universe suck up the majority of all matter. Once the amount of matter that is super compressed via black holes reaches a certain % of the total matter in existence, probably about 87%, it is all transmitted via wormholes or magnets or something into a singularity which immediately blows up creating another beginning. Or, you know, spirits and shit. Does this have a beginning, or is it infinite. If it’s Infinite, can you explain how you work around having an infinite by successive addition. If it’s finite, then something caused the first iteration of your theory. What are your thoughts on that? God |
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Posted: 9/28/2021 7:50:41 PM EST
[#32]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Bible - God creates the heavens and earth Science - Big Bang created time and space (Both align) Bible In the beginning was the word, and the word was with him Science - universe has a natural law (physics) (Both align) Bible Ten Commandments (Gods law for humans) Society (human rights) Both align, although I would argue in an atheistic worldview you cannot reach objective moral values and duties. You can't prove anything I knew you were going to quote the bible  |
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Posted: 9/28/2021 7:51:11 PM EST
[#33]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The same way you answer where god came from. it certainly isn't some gotcha. |
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Posted: 9/28/2021 7:53:05 PM EST
[#34]
Quote HistoryQuoted: That proves absolutely nothing You can't prove anything I knew you were going to quote the bible Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Bible - God creates the heavens and earth Science - Big Bang created time and space (Both align) Bible In the beginning was the word, and the word was with him Science - universe has a natural law (physics) (Both align) Bible Ten Commandments (Gods law for humans) Society (human rights) Both align, although I would argue in an atheistic worldview you cannot reach objective moral values and duties. You can't prove anything I knew you were going to quote the bible I was only trying to prove that the Bible aligns with science. You are free to make your own inferences after that. |
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Posted: 9/28/2021 7:53:18 PM EST
[#35]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The same way you answer where god came from. Attached File |
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Posted: 9/28/2021 7:54:31 PM EST
[#36]
Quote HistoryQuoted: No, not "hence theory." "Theory" in "the big bang theory" isn't the layman's theory used colloquially around here. The big bang happened, we know that for a fact. The "theory" is our best current understanding of the event we know to have happened. This type of theory is the very highest level it will achieve, and it can change with the new information we learn everyday. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: How does a start time mandate a magical, omniscient, omnipotent god? The science that allows you to post on the interwebz requires data to prove a theorythat's how science advances. So, there is no proof on either side. BUT, nothing faith-based has ever been proventhat's why it's called, "faith." The Universe is subject to laws of physicssome of which we don't and may not ever understand. Gravity explains a coalescence of gas & matter that could explain the "Big Bang Theory," but not all the data is therehence "theory," and added "Dark Matter" and other crap we don't understand. I was raised Catholic. Even in grade school, the dogmatic inconsistencies & ritualized weekly cannibalism confused me, so i'm no longer religiousespecially not Catholic. Maybe Buddhist or Taoist, but definitely not Catholic. No, not "hence theory." "Theory" in "the big bang theory" isn't the layman's theory used colloquially around here. The big bang happened, we know that for a fact. The "theory" is our best current understanding of the event we know to have happened. This type of theory is the very highest level it will achieve, and it can change with the new information we learn everyday. In that video I posted a few up from here, the guy in the debate, Kent Hovind, has a $250,000 reward for anyone who can prove evolution. I am pretty sure that offer is for cosmic evolution as well. Go collect that money! |
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Posted: 9/28/2021 7:56:54 PM EST
[#37]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Easy, he's omnipotent so he just always existed. /media/mediaFiles/sharedAlbum/thatwasdifferent-667.gif Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: The same way you answer where god came from. /media/mediaFiles/sharedAlbum/thatwasdifferent-667.gif Yet we have atheists in here arguing for an infinite cosmic crunch theory. Seems they only have problems with infinite when it’s an eternal being. |
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Posted: 9/28/2021 7:58:18 PM EST
[#38]
Energy is in a constant cycle of creation and destruction. It can never be completely destroyed, simply recycled.
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Posted: 9/28/2021 7:59:27 PM EST
[#39]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Agnostic here, and I don't know. But that is not conducive to shitposting so.... https://i.imgur.com/IXFfeIQ_d.webp?maxwidth=640&shape=thumb&fidelity=medium @The_Jethro Jesus christ
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Posted: 9/28/2021 7:59:42 PM EST
[#40]
Quote HistoryQuoted: In that video I posted a few up from here, the guy in the debate, Kent Hovind, has a $250,000 reward for anyone who can prove evolution. I am pretty sure that offer is for cosmic evolution as well. Go collect that money! LMFAO. |
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Posted: 9/28/2021 8:00:26 PM EST
[#41]
Quote HistoryQuoted: LMFAO. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: In that video I posted a few up from here, the guy in the debate, Kent Hovind, has a $250,000 reward for anyone who can prove evolution. I am pretty sure that offer is for cosmic evolution as well. Go collect that money! LMFAO. What are you going to buy? |
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Posted: 9/28/2021 8:00:45 PM EST
[#42]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Incorrect. Let’s rephrase. What caused there to be something, instead of nothing. I don’t think there has ever been “nothing”. Time and energy are simply too vast for our simple minds to understand. |
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Posted: 9/28/2021 8:01:30 PM EST
[#43]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Why are atheists content at believing things can be infinite, but not God? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Surely the creator has a creator if things don’t magically appear out of nowhere. Why are atheists content at believing things can be infinite, but not God? Im not an atheist. I don’t claim to know how this universe/dimension came to be the way we know it today. I do know one thing though, if you argue that something cannot come from nothing, then logically speaking you have to accept that a creator cannot come to fruition without being created. For all I know, or any of us know, there may be an infinite number of gods, or there may be no gods. Many civilizations in history believed in more than one god, when did it change to only one god exists and there are no other gods? Did it happen during the crusades? |
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Posted: 9/28/2021 8:01:56 PM EST
[#44]
Quote HistoryQuoted: What are you going to buy? I'll give you the same if you can produce hard evidence that God exists What are you going to buy? |
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Posted: 9/28/2021 8:04:16 PM EST
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Posted: 9/28/2021 8:04:45 PM EST
[#46]
To answer the OP's question: I have no idea. Nor do I care. Existence exists. I don't like it one bit however, no one asked me to. I just have to accept it and move on.
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Posted: 9/28/2021 8:06:01 PM EST
[#47]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I was only trying to prove that the Bible aligns with science. You are free to make your own inferences after that. A whale swallowed Jonah and spit him back out three days later. Where’s the science showing a whale without a digestive tract and a man being able to survive in the belly of an animal with no air for three days? Yeah, it aligns with science alright. |
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Posted: 9/28/2021 8:07:44 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'll give you the same if you can produce hard evidence that God exists What are you going to buy? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: What are you going to buy? I'll give you the same if you can produce hard evidence that God exists What are you going to buy? When you look at a painting, you know there was a painter, simply because the painting is proof of a painter. The evidence that there is a creator, is by the fact there is a creation. You can keep your money though. |
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Posted: 9/28/2021 8:07:45 PM EST
[#49]
Quote HistoryQuoted: A whale swallowed Jonah and spit him back out three days later. Where's the science showing a whale without a digestive tract and a man being able to survive in the belly of an animal with no air for three days? Yeah, it aligns with science alright. |
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Posted: 9/28/2021 8:08:28 PM EST
[#50]
Quote HistoryQuoted: When you look at a painting, you know there was a painter, simply because the painting is proof of a painter. The evidence that there is a creator, is by the fact there is a creation. You can keep your money though. |
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