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Posted: 9/28/2021 8:13:32 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Whale were just hollow shells back then Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: A whale swallowed Jonah and spit him back out three days later. Where's the science showing a whale without a digestive tract and a man being able to survive in the belly of an animal with no air for three days? Yeah, it aligns with science alright. Oh shit, thats right. I forgot about that. 
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Posted: 9/28/2021 8:15:30 PM EST
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A parallel universe exploded and was sucked into a worm hole. The worm hole transported this explosion into a void which became our Big Bang which created our universe. Don't ask me where the parallel universe originated from.
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Posted: 9/28/2021 8:16:20 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Doesn't prove jack shit  Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: When you look at a painting, you know there was a painter, simply because the painting is proof of a painter. The evidence that there is a creator, is by the fact there is a creation. You can keep your money though. I’ll have to disagree with you here porkchops. It proves the creator has a creator. Replace ‘painting’ with ‘god’, and voila. |
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Posted: 9/28/2021 8:17:25 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'll have to disagree with you here porkchops. It proves the creator has a creator. Replace 'painting' with 'god', and voila. The thing is no one knows what happened But these threads are fucking bullshit ,like the how do you keep from stealing ,raping ,murdering when you don't believe in God ,and yes those threads have been here Its a stab and a bunch of "humble" Christian looking down on others and being high horse people .. |
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Posted: 9/28/2021 8:20:16 PM EST
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Honestly I’m a construction worker science isn’t exactly my bag and I have no idea how the universe started ……. But I sure as hell ain’t putting my money on 1 of the many sky daddies that humans have thought of over the years
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Posted: 9/28/2021 8:21:40 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Im not an atheist. I don’t claim to know how this universe/dimension came to be the way we know it today. I do know one thing though, if you argue that something cannot come from nothing, then logically speaking you have to accept that a creator cannot come to fruition without being created. For all I know, or any of us know, there may be an infinite number of gods, or there may be no gods. Many civilizations in history believed in more than one god, when did it change to only one god exists and there are no other gods? Did it happen during the crusades? If something is infinite, then it does not come from anything. Infinite set theory isn’t terrible complex to understand. The issue is that the universe cannot be infinite. It’s metaphysically impossible in my opinion. Furthermore, the majority of scientist agree with me. The universe is finite. That said, there is nothing illogical about something existing beyond time and space. In fact, I believe it’s more probable that a being can be infinite and exist beyond time and space, than the universe springs into existence, uncaused, from nothing. But not only does it spring into existence, uncaused, from nothing, but it’s also so finely tuned it has the exact physical properties to allow for life permitting planets. But not only is it so finely tuned for life permitting planets, it also has a built in mechanism in which organisms can evolve. In fact, they can evolve so much, that those organisms can develop consciousness. And at the end, you have atoms, that have evolved so much, that they can reflect on themselves. |
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Posted: 9/28/2021 8:23:06 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Why do laws of physics even exist? Why are those laws so finely tuned to allow for human life? How has a cosmic accident produced consciousness? Sounds like you had a really crappy Catholic teacher. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: How does a start time mandate a magical, omniscient, omnipotent god? The science that allows you to post on the interwebz requires data to prove a theory—that’s how science advances. So, there is no proof on either side. BUT, nothing faith-based has ever been proven—that’s why it’s called, “faith.” The Universe is subject to laws of physics—some of which we don’t and may not ever understand. Gravity explains a coalescence of gas & matter that could explain the “Big Bang Theory,” but not all the data is there—hence “theory,” and added “Dark Matter” and other crap we don’t understand. I was raised Catholic. Even in grade school, the dogmatic inconsistencies & ritualized weekly cannibalism confused me, so i’m no longer religious—especially not Catholic. Maybe Buddhist or Taoist, but definitely not Catholic. Why do laws of physics even exist? Why are those laws so finely tuned to allow for human life? How has a cosmic accident produced consciousness? Sounds like you had a really crappy Catholic teacher. We cannot infer anything terribly useful from this: life could only have arisen in a universe that is “fined tuned” for life, so you will always find yourself is a strange such universe. |
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Posted: 9/28/2021 8:25:09 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: God snapped his fingers and there was a giant explosion, kind of like a big bang or something. There was some Book mentioning something about a Light. 
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Posted: 9/28/2021 8:25:23 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If something is infinite, then it does not come from anything. Infinite set theory isn't terrible complex to understand. The issue is that the universe cannot be infinite. It's metaphysically impossible in my opinion. Furthermore, the majority of scientist agree with me. The universe is finite. That said, there is nothing illogical about something existing beyond time and space. In fact, I believe it's more probable that a being can be infinite and exist beyond time and space, than the universe springs into existence, uncaused, from nothing. But not only does it spring into existence, uncaused, from nothing, but it's also so finely tuned it has the exact physical properties to allow for life permitting planets. But not only is it so finely tuned for life permitting planets, it also has a built in mechanism in which organisms can evolve. In fact, they can evolve so much, that those organisms can develop consciousness And at the end, you have atoms, that have evolved so much, that they can reflect on themselves. And it's all just a guess ,no one knows It's disingenuous you keep saying that though |
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Posted: 9/28/2021 8:30:11 PM EST
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"There never is a happy ending because nothing ever ends."
So...by proxy. |
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Posted: 9/28/2021 8:31:32 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You keep saying the universe came fr nothing....that's not at all what science says And it's all just a guess ,no one knows It's disingenuous you keep saying that though Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: If something is infinite, then it does not come from anything. Infinite set theory isn't terrible complex to understand. The issue is that the universe cannot be infinite. It's metaphysically impossible in my opinion. Furthermore, the majority of scientist agree with me. The universe is finite. That said, there is nothing illogical about something existing beyond time and space. In fact, I believe it's more probable that a being can be infinite and exist beyond time and space, than the universe springs into existence, uncaused, from nothing. But not only does it spring into existence, uncaused, from nothing, but it's also so finely tuned it has the exact physical properties to allow for life permitting planets. But not only is it so finely tuned for life permitting planets, it also has a built in mechanism in which organisms can evolve. In fact, they can evolve so much, that those organisms can develop consciousness And at the end, you have atoms, that have evolved so much, that they can reflect on themselves. And it's all just a guess ,no one knows It's disingenuous you keep saying that though The majority of the science community believes in the Big Bang. This can be seen by the measuring the expansion of the universe and by the light waves appearing redder. Thus, pre Big Bang, there is nothing. And by nothing, we mean absolutely nothing. Post Big Bang you have the universe and everything in it. Not sure why you are even trying to debate this? |
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Posted: 9/28/2021 8:32:28 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If something is infinite, then it does not come from anything. Infinite set theory isn’t terrible complex to understand. The issue is that the universe cannot be infinite. It’s metaphysically impossible in my opinion. Furthermore, the majority of scientist agree with me. The universe is finite. That said, there is nothing illogical about something existing beyond time and space. In fact, I believe it’s more probable that a being can be infinite and exist beyond time and space, than the universe springs into existence, uncaused, from nothing. But not only does it spring into existence, uncaused, from nothing, but it’s also so finely tuned it has the exact physical properties to allow for life permitting planets. But not only is it so finely tuned for life permitting planets, it also has a built in mechanism in which organisms can evolve. In fact, they can evolve so much, that those organisms can develop consciousness. And at the end, you have atoms, that have evolved so much, that they can reflect on themselves. Yup, you just proved my point in your response. I bolded it for you. If you think the universe cannot be infinite, then I’d say you’re undermining your god’s abilities. Couldn’t your god create an infinite universe? Or is your god limited in its creation abilities? |
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Posted: 9/28/2021 8:35:33 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The majority of the science community believes in the Big Bang. This can be seen by the measuring the expansion of the universe and by the light waves appearing redder. Thus, pre Big Bang, there is nothing. And by nothing, we mean absolutely nothing. Post Big Bang you have the universe and everything in it. Not sure why you are even trying to debate this? I don't think you have |
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Posted: 9/28/2021 8:35:50 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You keep saying the universe came fr nothing....that's not at all what science says And it's all just a guess ,no one knows It's disingenuous you keep saying that though Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: If something is infinite, then it does not come from anything. Infinite set theory isn't terrible complex to understand. The issue is that the universe cannot be infinite. It's metaphysically impossible in my opinion. Furthermore, the majority of scientist agree with me. The universe is finite. That said, there is nothing illogical about something existing beyond time and space. In fact, I believe it's more probable that a being can be infinite and exist beyond time and space, than the universe springs into existence, uncaused, from nothing. But not only does it spring into existence, uncaused, from nothing, but it's also so finely tuned it has the exact physical properties to allow for life permitting planets. But not only is it so finely tuned for life permitting planets, it also has a built in mechanism in which organisms can evolve. In fact, they can evolve so much, that those organisms can develop consciousness And at the end, you have atoms, that have evolved so much, that they can reflect on themselves. And it's all just a guess ,no one knows It's disingenuous you keep saying that though The question is how did it begin |
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Posted: 9/28/2021 8:36:15 PM EST
[#15]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Then reality would just wash away in the first rainstorm The thing is no one knows what happened But these threads are fucking bullshit ,like the how do you keep from stealing ,raping ,murdering when you don't believe in God ,and yes those threads have been here Its a stab and a bunch of "humble" Christian looking down on others and being high horse people .. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I'll have to disagree with you here porkchops. It proves the creator has a creator. Replace 'painting' with 'god', and voila. The thing is no one knows what happened But these threads are fucking bullshit ,like the how do you keep from stealing ,raping ,murdering when you don't believe in God ,and yes those threads have been here Its a stab and a bunch of "humble" Christian looking down on others and being high horse people .. Bingo. Nobody knows and I doubt anybody will ever know. Wait, so people think you need God to not rape, steal, or murder? Wow. I want whatever their horse is smoking so I can be that high. |
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Posted: 9/28/2021 8:36:46 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: There was something...have you read about the big bang? I don't think you have Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: The majority of the science community believes in the Big Bang. This can be seen by the measuring the expansion of the universe and by the light waves appearing redder. Thus, pre Big Bang, there is nothing. And by nothing, we mean absolutely nothing. Post Big Bang you have the universe and everything in it. Not sure why you are even trying to debate this? I don't think you have Where did it come from? |
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Posted: 9/28/2021 8:36:48 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It isn't snarky. I do have faith Atheists can't seem to admit their belief requires faith Some pretty horrible shit happened to my family recently and someone who felt they were trying to be kind gave my wife an audible book on the Bible. I don't know the name of it or from what angle it is coming from but it has given her a crisis of faith. I'm an atheist, but she knows that I'm well versed on most of the religions because I didn't take it lightly when I was younger. It was my soul after all. She came to me a couple of nights ago bawling crying her eyes out because this book was telling her things that she didn't know and had never been taught in church. She is just full blown crisis of faith. So here I am as an atheist having to explain to her that this is perfectly natural and that every person who ever lived has gone through something similar including Jesus himself while on the cross. I have said many times most Christians have no idea what they actual believe and I know that might sound harsh, but one of the things that upset her the most was finding out that people that die don't go to Heaven immediately. This is something she had heard her entire life. I explain that it was in fact biblical and that people who have died are not in Heaven according to the Bible and I tried my best to explain that to her and reassure her that just because she is having these feelings now doesn't mean she won't go to Heaven because according to the Bible the way to Heaven is a belief in Jesus being the son of God and that he died on the cross as redemption for your sins. I posted some pretty personal shit there to underscore than there is only one way in. Through Jesus. There is no flexibility or changes in the system if we find some new information. Would you agree? Now how about science? How rigid is science in it's "faith"? It is literally some scientist saying "I think this is true" and every scientist on Earth tries to prove it is wrong repeatedly. Did you realize that is how science works? Do you see the massive difference in the two? |
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Posted: 9/28/2021 8:37:10 PM EST
[#18]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The question is how did it begin |
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Posted: 9/28/2021 8:37:52 PM EST
[#19]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Bingo. Nobody knows and I doubt anybody will ever know. Wait, so people think you need God to not rape, steal, or murder? Wow. I want whatever their horse is smoking so I can be that high. |
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Posted: 9/28/2021 8:38:28 PM EST
[#20]
I'll never understand why theists can't just be happy with their faith. It's as if they know something is missing.
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Posted: 9/28/2021 8:38:56 PM EST
[#21]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Where did it come from? |
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Posted: 9/28/2021 8:40:23 PM EST
[#22]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I'll never understand why theists can't just be happy with their faith. It's as if they know something is missing. |
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Posted: 9/28/2021 8:41:54 PM EST
[#23]
Quote HistoryQuoted: If something is infinite, then it does not come from anything. Infinite set theory isn’t terrible complex to understand. The issue is that the universe cannot be infinite. It’s metaphysically impossible in my opinion. Furthermore, the majority of scientist agree with me. The universe is finite. That said, there is nothing illogical about something existing beyond time and space. In fact, I believe it’s more probable that a being can be infinite and exist beyond time and space, than the universe springs into existence, uncaused, from nothing. But not only does it spring into existence, uncaused, from nothing, but it’s also so finely tuned it has the exact physical properties to allow for life permitting planets. But not only is it so finely tuned for life permitting planets, it also has a built in mechanism in which organisms can evolve. In fact, they can evolve so much, that those organisms can develop consciousness. And at the end, you have atoms, that have evolved so much, that they can reflect on themselves. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Im not an atheist. I don’t claim to know how this universe/dimension came to be the way we know it today. I do know one thing though, if you argue that something cannot come from nothing, then logically speaking you have to accept that a creator cannot come to fruition without being created. For all I know, or any of us know, there may be an infinite number of gods, or there may be no gods. Many civilizations in history believed in more than one god, when did it change to only one god exists and there are no other gods? Did it happen during the crusades? If something is infinite, then it does not come from anything. Infinite set theory isn’t terrible complex to understand. The issue is that the universe cannot be infinite. It’s metaphysically impossible in my opinion. Furthermore, the majority of scientist agree with me. The universe is finite. That said, there is nothing illogical about something existing beyond time and space. In fact, I believe it’s more probable that a being can be infinite and exist beyond time and space, than the universe springs into existence, uncaused, from nothing. But not only does it spring into existence, uncaused, from nothing, but it’s also so finely tuned it has the exact physical properties to allow for life permitting planets. But not only is it so finely tuned for life permitting planets, it also has a built in mechanism in which organisms can evolve. In fact, they can evolve so much, that those organisms can develop consciousness. And at the end, you have atoms, that have evolved so much, that they can reflect on themselves. Explain a scenario by which an observer (i.e. you) could ask this question in a universe not uniquely suited to life. |
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Posted: 9/28/2021 8:44:41 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Why do laws of physics even exist? Why are those laws so finely tuned to allow for human life? How has a cosmic accident produced consciousness? Sounds like you had a really crappy Catholic teacher. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: How does a start time mandate a magical, omniscient, omnipotent god? The science that allows you to post on the interwebz requires data to prove a theory—that’s how science advances. So, there is no proof on either side. BUT, nothing faith-based has ever been proven—that’s why it’s called, “faith.” The Universe is subject to laws of physics—some of which we don’t and may not ever understand. Gravity explains a coalescence of gas & matter that could explain the “Big Bang Theory,” but not all the data is there—hence “theory,” and added “Dark Matter” and other crap we don’t understand. I was raised Catholic. Even in grade school, the dogmatic inconsistencies & ritualized weekly cannibalism confused me, so i’m no longer religious—especially not Catholic. Maybe Buddhist or Taoist, but definitely not Catholic. Why do laws of physics even exist? Why are those laws so finely tuned to allow for human life? How has a cosmic accident produced consciousness? Sounds like you had a really crappy Catholic teacher. The laws aren’t finely tuned for us, we are finely tuned for the laws. |
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Posted: 9/28/2021 8:44:58 PM EST
[#25]
Quote HistoryQuoted: It's the looking down on other people for not holding their faith is what bothers me In other words, they need to dumb everything down while at the same time acting as if they're on a righteous moral high ground. |
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Posted: 9/28/2021 8:45:01 PM EST
[#26]
Quoted: All of modern science points to a finite past. Thus, time and space had a beginning. In an Atheistic worldview, how does one get a beginning to the universe? It seems apparent there needs to be a causal event, “Big Bang” theory, but before time and space existed, how does one get said causal event? It would seem that something would need to exist beyond time and space to create the universe. School me atheists.  Come on man, you know the answer to your question. They're answer is whatever they've seen in a YouTube video, something their favorite comedian, or smart ass comments about spaghetti monsters. They don't have well researched and scholarly positions, just slogans, headlines and hearsay. Most atheists are so far behind the actual debate they don't know even know witch of their beliefs have been debunked or what new direction their opinion leaders have gone in. |
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Posted: 9/28/2021 8:46:50 PM EST
[#27]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Explain a scenario by which an observer (i.e. you) could ask this question in a universe not uniquely suited to life. We live on a planet that has an atmosphere that contains almost 21% of the most corrosive substance in the universe. You know. Oxygen. Uniquely situated for life. 
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Posted: 9/28/2021 8:47:46 PM EST
[#28]
Quote HistoryQuoted: It's the looking down on other people for not holding their faith is what bothers me Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I'll never understand why theists can't just be happy with their faith. It's as if they know something is missing. Curiosity isn't looking down on people . Intelligent debates are intriguing OP asked a question that atheists can't answer any better than Christians |
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Posted: 9/28/2021 8:47:48 PM EST
[#29]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Come on man, you know the answer to your question. They're answer is whatever they've seen in a YouTube video, something their favorite comedian, or smart ass comments about spaghetti monsters. They don't have well researched and scholarly positions, just slogans, headlines and hearsay. Most atheists are so far behind the actual debate they don't know even know witch of their beliefs have been debunked or what new direction their opinion leaders have gone in. LMFAO. There it is. User name checks out. These threads are gold. |
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Posted: 9/28/2021 8:50:37 PM EST
[#30]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Curiosity isn't looking down on people . Intelligent debates are intriguing OP asked a question that atheists can't answer any better than Christians Wrong. We answer intellectually honestly. "I don't know" is a perfectly valid and intellectually honest answer. You say "god did it." Which is lazy, and a contradiction. Our answer is far better. |
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Posted: 9/28/2021 8:52:16 PM EST
[#31]
There is an awesome answer in this thread and I bet not one person watched the video.
It is at the 33:00 point for y'all. |
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Posted: 9/28/2021 8:54:08 PM EST
[#32]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Come on man, you know the answer to your question. They're answer is whatever they've seen in a YouTube video, something their favorite comedian, or smart ass comments about spaghetti monsters. They don't have well researched and scholarly positions, just slogans, headlines and hearsay. Most atheists are so far behind the actual debate they don't know even know witch of their beliefs have been debunked or what new direction their opinion leaders have gone in. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: All of modern science points to a finite past. Thus, time and space had a beginning. In an Atheistic worldview, how does one get a beginning to the universe? It seems apparent there needs to be a causal event, “Big Bang” theory, but before time and space existed, how does one get said causal event? It would seem that something would need to exist beyond time and space to create the universe. School me atheists. Come on man, you know the answer to your question. They're answer is whatever they've seen in a YouTube video, something their favorite comedian, or smart ass comments about spaghetti monsters. They don't have well researched and scholarly positions, just slogans, headlines and hearsay. Most atheists are so far behind the actual debate they don't know even know witch of their beliefs have been debunked or what new direction their opinion leaders have gone in. What denomination are you? I’d love to find a local church similar to yours where I can get some scholarly insights on the origin of the universe, and see how much better educated on the subject your average churchgoer is than all these damn YouTube watching atheists. |
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Posted: 9/28/2021 8:54:28 PM EST
[#33]
Quote HistoryQuoted: There is an awesome answer in this thread and I bet not one person watched the video. It is at the 33:00 point for y'all. |
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Posted: 9/28/2021 8:56:21 PM EST
[#34]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I have, just not this time, because I've seen it a few times and it's in my favorites list. Well I actually figured that you had from something you posted earlier. I should have said that but I was thinking about the guys that were claiming there were no answers.
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Posted: 9/28/2021 8:58:49 PM EST
[#35]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Wrong. We answer intellectually honestly. "I don't know" is a perfectly valid and intellectually honest answer. You say "god did it." Which is lazy, and a contradiction. Our answer is far better. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Curiosity isn't looking down on people . Intelligent debates are intriguing OP asked a question that atheists can't answer any better than Christians Wrong. We answer intellectually honestly. "I don't know" is a perfectly valid and intellectually honest answer. You say "god did it." Which is lazy, and a contradiction. Our answer is far better. But you're adamant it wasn't created How do you know that? |
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Posted: 9/28/2021 8:59:08 PM EST
[#36]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Well I actually figured that you had from something you posted earlier. I should have said that but I was thinking about the guys that were claiming there were no answers.Understood. Thanks for trying. These threads are never started with honest intent though. It's why I asked why they just can't be happy in their faith. It's not as if they're suddenly going to become enlightened. Have a great night.  |
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Posted: 9/28/2021 9:00:01 PM EST
[#37]
Quote HistoryQuoted: But you're adamant it wasn't created How do you know that? That which has been asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence. |
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Posted: 9/28/2021 9:00:28 PM EST
[#38]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm waiting to hear how nothing exploded into something. |
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Posted: 9/28/2021 9:00:46 PM EST
[#39]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I don't know. Takes a lot of blind/hopeful faith to believe something came from nothing. |
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Posted: 9/28/2021 9:02:00 PM EST
[#40]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The same way you answer where god came from. Pretty much this. Both theories have some pretty substantial holes in them. |
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Posted: 9/28/2021 9:02:56 PM EST
[#41]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I explain that it was in fact biblical and that people who have died are not in Heaven according to the Bible and I tried my best to explain that to her and reassure her that just because she is having these feelings now doesn't mean she won't go to Heaven because according to the Bible the way to Heaven is a belief in Jesus being the son of God and that he died on the cross as redemption for your sins. There are plenty of examples of discussing ascension upon death. You speak of the crucifixion, which offered an explanation. Luke 23:43 is a perfect example. How can he tell him he will be with him today in paradise, if he does not ascend upon death? And He said to him, “Truly I say to you, today you shall be with Me in Paradise.” Several other verses discuss living in Christ and dying to one's self, which is different. You are transformed. There is still plenty discussing an immediate ascension. Luke 16 discusses in a parable about the rich and poor man, where the righteous man is carried away upon death to Abraham's bosom. If you follow the OT and the teaching of the coming Mashiach, Jesus fulfilled that prophecy. Does that mean the Jews still waiting for the messiah and ascension are stuck in waiting? |
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Posted: 9/28/2021 9:04:59 PM EST
[#42]
Quote HistoryQuoted: As much as you Christians claim to be persecuted, you sure do like to start shit. His name is "ThePantydropper" He ain't no Christian lol |
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Posted: 9/28/2021 9:05:23 PM EST
[#43]
Quote HistoryQuoted: There is an awesome answer in this thread and I bet not one person watched the video. It is at the 33:00 point for y'all. The talk by Krauss was very interesting. To your reference, something from nothing. |
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Posted: 9/28/2021 9:05:53 PM EST
[#44]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I disagree. An infinite causal chain by successive addition would be metaphysically absurd. You would have an infinite number of events before arriving at today, which means you would never arrive at today. Now, biblically, something that far predates science, God has always been eternal. Which means, he exists outside of time and space. He never began to exist. You might dislike that idea, but there is no logical inconsistency which an eternal being, science, or metaphysical absurdities. Wait until you learn that time and space are mostly human constructs based on our sensory capabilities, and that the actual universe doesn't really exist in "time" like you think. Still all theory but your original post and follow up posts clearly show you're about 10 feet into a marathon of understanding modern quantum physics. In essence, the phrase "you don't know what you don't know" perfectly applies to you when it comes to this topic. But you go ahead and keep your head in the sand and think you've somehow logically outsmarted everyone with your paint deep understanding of the subject. |
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Posted: 9/28/2021 9:09:16 PM EST
[#45]
I don't know. Neither do you. It could be anything really. A God of sorts, an engineering experiment, an un-understandable game, other, other, etc. Maybe the universe as we know it is a tiny blip on a timeline that goes nearly infinitely in both directions, or time only goes forward from a nearly infinite point in the past. I don't understand it. None of us do. We probably never will. It sucks.
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Posted: 9/28/2021 9:09:31 PM EST
[#46]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Takes a lot of blind/hopeful faith to believe something came from nothing. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I don't know. Takes a lot of blind/hopeful faith to believe something came from nothing. It doesn’t take much faith to simply say “I don’t know.” Much less than believing a human like creature is the master of the entire universe. Creation, beginnings, endings and nothing are all human constructs. For all we know the universe is much too complex for our human brains to comprehend. Saying that it was created by human like god is pretty intellectually lazy, and also puts humans pretty high on a pedestal. |
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Posted: 9/28/2021 9:11:08 PM EST
[#47]
Quote HistoryQuoted: No one knows. This realm could be a beautiful accident - ourselves even more so. And what’s wrong with that? Why can’t we simply say that life is a miracle? That we are born and then we die and disappear into eternity forever…. is that so bad? Why does there have to be a purpose? This. |
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Posted: 9/28/2021 9:12:16 PM EST
[#48]
Quote HistoryQuoted: It's the looking down on other people for not holding their faith is what bothers me Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I'll never understand why theists can't just be happy with their faith. It's as if they know something is missing. Same as the vaccinated looking down on the unvaccinated IMO. It's not so much that they look down on them as it is that the existence of people who don't share their faith makes them doubt themselves and that makes them uncomfortable. Their arguing with you isn't about you at all. It's self reassuring themselves in their beliefs by proxy. |
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Posted: 9/28/2021 9:16:23 PM EST
[#49]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Yup, you just proved my point in your response. I bolded it for you. If you think the universe cannot be infinite, then I’d say you’re undermining your god’s abilities. Couldn’t your god create an infinite universe? Or is your god limited in its creation abilities? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: If something is infinite, then it does not come from anything. Infinite set theory isn’t terrible complex to understand. The issue is that the universe cannot be infinite. It’s metaphysically impossible in my opinion. Furthermore, the majority of scientist agree with me. The universe is finite. That said, there is nothing illogical about something existing beyond time and space. In fact, I believe it’s more probable that a being can be infinite and exist beyond time and space, than the universe springs into existence, uncaused, from nothing. But not only does it spring into existence, uncaused, from nothing, but it’s also so finely tuned it has the exact physical properties to allow for life permitting planets. But not only is it so finely tuned for life permitting planets, it also has a built in mechanism in which organisms can evolve. In fact, they can evolve so much, that those organisms can develop consciousness. And at the end, you have atoms, that have evolved so much, that they can reflect on themselves. Yup, you just proved my point in your response. I bolded it for you. If you think the universe cannot be infinite, then I’d say you’re undermining your god’s abilities. Couldn’t your god create an infinite universe? Or is your god limited in its creation abilities? God would have to proceed and infinite universe. Therefore the universe he creates would be a potential infinite. If the Universe and God are eternal, you would have to answer how that can logically happen. My argument is that if the universe were infinite, you would never reach today. For example, we would look at time as a series of events. So there were be an infinite number of events, before today. Which means you would never reach today, because there would always be a proceeding event to infinity. |
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Posted: 9/28/2021 9:16:40 PM EST
[#50]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Science assumes you dont try to ask to far back and for the most part just accept the big bang Serious question isn't that even being called into question now? |
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