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Posted: 11/12/2022 4:07:07 PM EDT

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Best video here ^^

What a fucking error

The pilots on the 17 had a second to think about what happened and it was lights out.

Posted: 11/12/2022 4:07:18 PM EDT

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Posted: 11/12/2022 4:07:49 PM EDT

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Damn that fuselage completely came apart before it hit the ground. Prayers for all.

Posted: 11/12/2022 4:07:49 PM EDT

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Horrible. Always hard to know what is happening in the air and what you can see, but damn....I don't know how that happened.

Posted: 11/12/2022 4:08:03 PM EDT

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WOW

Posted: 11/12/2022 4:08:07 PM EDT

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What happened to the P-51? Can't make it out in the videos.

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There is another angle in the replies.

Posted: 11/12/2022 4:08:16 PM EDT

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Tweet with video from a clearer perspective. B-17 was flying straight and level, P-51 approached at higher speed seemingly to join from the 8 O'clock position and must have lost sight of the B-17. Horrible.

Posted: 11/12/2022 4:08:26 PM EDT

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It won't be too much longer before insurance requirements ground all of the warbirds due to them not being able to afford to fly passengers. RIP to the victims.

Posted: 11/12/2022 4:08:38 PM EDT

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Damn.

Posted: 11/12/2022 4:08:46 PM EDT

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Posted: 11/12/2022 4:08:53 PM EDT

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How does that even happen?

Posted: 11/12/2022 4:09:40 PM EDT

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That was intentional. Mark my words.

P51 chased the B17 and rammed him.

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What?

Posted: 11/12/2022 4:10:01 PM EDT

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Does anyone know what P-51 it was?

Posted: 11/12/2022 4:10:15 PM EDT

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A kamikaze P51? WTF?

Posted: 11/12/2022 4:10:20 PM EDT

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Disintegrated after impact.

RIP to all involved.

Posted: 11/12/2022 4:10:23 PM EDT

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He went in hard, too. I would be shocked if anyone survived it, then aircraft certainly didn't.

Posted: 11/12/2022 4:10:39 PM EDT

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That p51 turned into confetti when it collided. How sad for all involved.

Posted: 11/12/2022 4:10:39 PM EDT

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Damn that P51 pilot killed everyone on the B17.

What a fucking tragedy

Posted: 11/12/2022 4:10:40 PM EDT

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Posted: 11/12/2022 4:11:43 PM EDT

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Posted: 11/12/2022 4:12:17 PM EDT

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Damn...

Posted: 11/12/2022 4:12:30 PM EDT

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Didn’t another old war bird go down a year or two ago?

Posted: 11/12/2022 4:12:54 PM EDT

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P-51 clipped the B-17. Then the B-17 broke apart in half about at the waist gunner position. Back half of plane immediately fell to the ground. Front half tumbled and then hit the ground in a fireball.

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How did it happen, Can you give us a run through?

P-51 clipped the B-17. Then the B-17 broke apart in half about at the waist gunner position. Back half of plane immediately fell to the ground. Front half tumbled and then hit the ground in a fireball.

That P-51 didn't clip it. It flew right into the wing roots of the B-17. Nuts!

Slickening.

Sorry you had to see that.

Posted: 11/12/2022 4:13:02 PM EDT

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Is that possible?

It seems a B17 would be visible that close from a bubble canopy cockpit.

Posted: 11/12/2022 4:13:03 PM EDT

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Flying will always be a dangerous business, rest in peace to those aviators

Posted: 11/12/2022 4:13:12 PM EDT

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Doesn’t look like it and I consider that a good thing. Living with yourself after causing that would be difficult.

Posted: 11/12/2022 4:13:20 PM EDT

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I think it disintegrated on impact.

Horrible.

Posted: 11/12/2022 4:14:04 PM EDT

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Another view of the collusion

Posted: 11/12/2022 4:14:14 PM EDT

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Posted above. The P51 might have been banked hard enough that he couldn't see the B17. Going that fast you can't correct quick enough

Posted: 11/12/2022 4:14:20 PM EDT

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Oh no.

I’m pretty sure a guy I know was crewing today.

Posted: 11/12/2022 4:14:25 PM EDT

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Tunnel vision. Too worried about where the nose was pointing and not worried enough about what was above it.

edit - I'm wrong. The B17 looks to have been below the pilot's perspective the whole turn. He never saw it.

Posted: 11/12/2022 4:14:38 PM EDT

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What happened to the P-51? Can't make it out in the videos.

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Its tangled in the wing roots of the B-17 on the way down.

Posted: 11/12/2022 4:14:49 PM EDT

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The P-51 pilot never even saw them as they were under his wing. It was not intentional. It was a blind spot.

Posted: 11/12/2022 4:15:47 PM EDT

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With low wing planes it is hard to see what is under you.

Posted: 11/12/2022 4:15:54 PM EDT

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Fuck me.

Posted: 11/12/2022 4:16:29 PM EDT

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Happens too frequently.

I chatted with the pilot/owner of the P-51 “Donna-Mite” at Oshkosh in 2005 about 30 minutes before he stalled it during a demonstration and crashed. He graciously let me snap a picture of him with the plane. I felt awful after he never returned.

Posted: 11/12/2022 4:16:35 PM EDT

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Nine 0 Nine

Posted: 11/12/2022 4:16:36 PM EDT

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Another geriatric in a P-51 killing people?

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Log out and don’t log back in

Posted: 11/12/2022 4:16:52 PM EDT

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Another view. Wow. Close up.

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Posted: 11/12/2022 4:16:59 PM EDT

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That angle makes it most likely that the P51 never even saw the B17.

Posted: 11/12/2022 4:17:25 PM EDT

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The P-51 pilot never even saw them as they were under his wing. It was not intentional. It was a blind spot.

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The P-51 pilot never even saw them as they were under his wing. It was not intentional. It was a blind spot.

Fatal error. Seems other small planes were flying around the 17 as well.

Posted: 11/12/2022 4:17:59 PM EDT

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I’ve chatted with a couple of those guys on LinkedIn.

Posted: 11/12/2022 4:18:25 PM EDT

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Damn.

Posted: 11/12/2022 4:18:28 PM EDT

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That shows it well. How the P-51 pilot did that is unknown.

Posted: 11/12/2022 4:19:19 PM EDT

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Flying is one of the more least forgiving activities one can engage in in terms of not paying attention or missing cues, especially at pattern altitudes near airports where other airplanes are arriving and departing. An Airshow is not that different, except you have a clear frequency and and an air boss running everything that is acting like ATC for the entire airport.

I'm very sorry to hear this.

Posted: 11/12/2022 4:19:33 PM EDT

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So sad ,. P51 land ok ?

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Nope

Posted: 11/12/2022 4:20:06 PM EDT

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That’s awful.
Condolences to all the families.

Posted: 11/12/2022 4:20:39 PM EDT

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Nobody is surviving that.

Posted: 11/12/2022 4:21:22 PM EDT

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Tunnel vision. Too worried about where the nose was pointing and not worried enough about what was above it.

edit - I'm wrong. The B17 looks to have been below the pilot's perspective the whole turn. He never saw it.

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Is that possible?

It seems a B17 would be visible that close from a bubble canopy cockpit.

Tunnel vision. Too worried about where the nose was pointing and not worried enough about what was above it.

edit - I'm wrong. The B17 looks to have been below the pilot's perspective the whole turn. He never saw it.

It looks like he was high and banking. He likely never saw the B-17.

That said.. Why the fuck didn't he follow the other two P-51s in the group?