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That's awful to watch. Were there any passengers in the B-17? They usually sell tickets for spectators to ride.
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Quoted: Happens too frequently. I chatted with the pilot/owner of the P-51 “Donna-Mite” at Oshkosh in 2005 about 30 minutes before he stalled it during a demonstration and crashed. He graciously let me snap a picture of him with the plane. I felt awful after he never returned. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Didn’t another old war bird go down a year or two ago? Happens too frequently. I chatted with the pilot/owner of the P-51 “Donna-Mite” at Oshkosh in 2005 about 30 minutes before he stalled it during a demonstration and crashed. He graciously let me snap a picture of him with the plane. I felt awful after he never returned. |
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If the P-51 was too hot for a join, why not roll into the vertical to lose airspeed or circle around. It ain't like there is an entire large combat formation to join with. Sad...
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Quoted: Another view of the collusion
View Quote Looks like the P-51 dove down into the B-17 while in a left turn. |
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P51 pilot never saw the B17, he was tracking the fighters in front of him.
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I saw a post from another group it was the CAF's P-63 and not a Mustang. It looks like he misjudged the closing rate and was supposed to go over the B-17 and didn't, or couldn't, pull up in time. Hate to see that. I have fond memories of Texas Raiders.
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That one was also sad on so many levels - it flew over my house one week before the crash - I had snapped a video on my phone as it went past, as the sight and sounds of a vintage warbird like that were clearly different from the usual air traffic that I see. |
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View Quote HOW? Damn. |
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So sad. P-51 probably never saw the b17. Rest In Peace to everyone who lost their lives.
ETA: some guy in the twitter replies keeps insisting everyone survived. |
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Quoted: P51 pilot never saw the B17, he was tracking the fighters in front of him. View Quote In the video in post #24 you see a plane to the right just before the B-17 fell apart. I never saw the plane that hit it in that video but need to look at it again since I know how the collision occurred. I just looked again and either the fighter plane is hidden from view or the collision already occurred. Without doing a frame by frame examination, it looks like we see the B-17 just after the collision. |
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Looks like the P-51 didn’t see the B-17 at all.
Think the B-17 saw the P-51 closing in? |
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View Quote recently redone in original test markings |
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Quoted: Is that possible? It seems a B17 would be visible that close from a bubble canopy cockpit. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes |
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Quoted: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/32274/Screenshot_2022-11-12_at_12-27-19_David_-2597687.JPG View Quote CAF P-63 Aircobra not a P-51 |
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View Quote Oh my God! The tail separated behind the wings and broke apart. |
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Pilot may be Buddy Cooks, mentioned here it was his last flight
Torah Tora Tora with B-17 flying Fortress...Wings Over Dallas Airshow 2022 |
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Another angle.
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Quoted: banked enough to the point where he couldn't see the B-17 View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: banked enough to the point where he couldn't see the B-17 Bingo. |
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Quoted: banked enough to the point where he couldn't see the B-17 View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: banked enough to the point where he couldn't see the B-17 Wow... holy shit. That's about the only thing that makes sense. |
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Quoted: These incidents with warbirds that are either not maintained correctly or piloted into the ground are far too common to ignore the trend. View Quote Warbirds are inherently dangerous. They were dangerous when they were in active service, many were lost to accidents during training and combat sorties. Just because they crash occasionally doesn’t mean that they need to shut down the entire warbird flying community. This was a terrible accident and will be investigated with lessons learned afterward. |
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Quoted: Warbirds are inherently dangerous. They were dangerous when they were in active service, many were lost to accidents during training and combat sorties. Just because they crash occasionally doesn’t mean that they need to shut down the entire warbird flying community. This was a terrible accident and will be investigated with lessons learned afterward. View Quote I've never called for shutting down flying warbirds. I have stated that this particular segment of GA has had a high occurrence of avoidable fuckups that kill people in the last two decades. |
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