So where are the BRCC donations to Pro-gun groups?

Open your eyes.

This right here.  As a vet, I bought into the whole "bro vet" marketing.  Willfully overpaying for coffee thinking the proceeds were going to good causes.  While they donate my hard earned money to anti-2A bullshit.  

Apparently we do, but that still doesn’t mean I’m upset about it.

I try to make the most rational decisions that I can, so if I see some real evidence (not circumstantial) that he’s antigun and just using us as a cash cow I’ll be as outraged as the rest of you, but we aren’t there yet.

Touche'.

I don’t even buy their coffee regularly, it’s just an occasional thing, and not for probably a year at this point.

I just want something more solid than we have.

Afraid not. Came from another member.

Does anyone know roughly at what point gun control is discussed in the Joe Rogan podcast?

I don't expect you to be outraged. We may disagree on the issues or "transgressions", but that is hardly a hanging offense.

I just live chatted with Customer Support on their website.  She left the chat.  She copy and pasted the company's official statement about their military service and they didn't end their relationship with The Blaze.  I said, that's great, but I didn't mention that, I was asking why Evan was supporting anti 2A politicians with the money we provided while pretending to be pro 2A.  She had nothing.

Their chat bot (who initially took my chat) even had the company statement pasted and copied just based on the key words in my text.  They are obviously getting hammered.

Anyone that supports BRCC is supporting Hilary as well. Its really as simple as that.

Here is the timestamps guys list (early in the comments).  I hit the obvious ones but it may be somewhere else. I honestly don't remember them being proguncontrol but it is on the background while I work

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Asking some questions now myself.

ETA: they won't answer

That is on me then. I took the word of someone who may have misremembered.
I can vouch for the David Frum video.
He's a dem that pretended to be a Republican for years.
He despises Conservatives. Once Trump got elected he let the mask fall.
If you aren't on a podcast to tell him how full of shit he is then you should not be there period.
Hafer does not do so.

Yep, they seem to think this is about the Blaze or Kyle.  They are pretending like Evan supporting anti 2A politicians isn't happening.

They donate to shooting matches often.

If this were just the Obama/Tulsi donations in question, the ceo could maybe play the "I'm just a soldier and don't know anything about politics" card and possibly be able to salvage a bit of the company's reputation. Maybe lose 25% of their business and downsize after the apology tour. If they were smart, they would be rolling out every donation he/the company has ever made to the NRA/GOA etc. to counter the anti gun narrative.  If he/they haven't been smart enough to establish a track record of doing specifically that (with a company named Black Rifle Coffee Company), well, LOL, it sucks to be stupid I guess.

Protip: if you run a company that is marketed 100% on Merica! F-Ya! you had better have a plan for dealing with the liberal opposition when they come for you. They will come, especially when you start to see success. If you are a closeted liberal/formal liberal running said company? Ya, your cover and come to Jesus transformation needs to be doubly air tight and well documented. Businesses/ business leaders do this all the time, not necessarily because they care about an issue, but because it is smart to establish a backstop of credibility for when your motives get called into question.

The ActBlue donation be the CEO really drives a nail into their coffin in this case however. That shows a level of recent political awareness that goes beyond "sorry bra, I just liked that Tulsi is a vet!" No one haphazardly donates $500 to ActBlue, it simply doesn't happen. A person that does this knows specifically what they are doing and what they believe in and stand for.

And as a closeted liberal, to do this in this political climate as the CEO of the Black Rifle Coffee Company shows a combination of incredible arrogance and wholesale disregard for his company and the people who work there. Any reasonable person would know that it would cause a shitstorm if/when that info came out, and as a former team member and CIA operative, you would think he would have known that eventually this stuff would leak.

I simply can't believe that he would be that stupid, that as the head of an estimated 100 million dollar company he would have no idea who his customers were and how they would react to this information. My guess is that he simply didn't give a fuck and ran it like an OP. His side gig took off at an opportune time, so he brought in Mat Best to wrap the company in the flag and ramp up promoting it to conservatives during one of the most epic election cycles in American history. In the meantime he stripped out as much cash as possible so that when the house of cards eventually fell apart he would be able to move onto the next thing, leaving Best and the rest of the Veterans working there holding the bag, reputations trashed. I feel bad for them, as there are a lot of good folks there who are going to end up hurt by this.

That's MARKETING. I'm talking about money or advocacy that flows to support the 2nd Amendment.

No, sponsoring shooting matches is absolutely supporting 2A. Donating to the candidates and causes that the CEO did is NOT supporting the 2A. So at its worst you have a company that doesn't really understand its identity or its customer base, and has a foot in both worlds.

Lets hope BRCC comes to Jesus, supports Kyle, and learns from their mistakes.

I completely understand that company reported may not be true (even if it's technically tax fraud).   These are coming from Form 3x, which is what PACs use to report donations for tax purposes, which rely on the accuracy of their donators.

I really wanted to give them the benefit of the doubt, but with the social media implosion (from confirmed personal and official brcc accounts) over the last 48 hours, and some of their senior leadership supporting certain candidates, it's hard to look the other way.

I've always thought that their marketing was fake and phoney pandering to veterans / tactical shooters. I've never tried their coffee, and now I never will...

There was also a sizeable donation to a Republican candidate listed on the FEC's website.  It was double or more any of the other donations.

I have no idea. I can honestly say I don’t look at charitable donations, campaign donations, IRS statements etc when buying products. Such things really don’t rustle my jimmies.

Has Donald ever donated to any pro-gun groups?

Has Donald ever supported the ban of anything gun related?

Is that a serious question?

(ETA, maybe it's tongue in cheek)

Yes he has.

Still curious if he has ever donated to any pro gun groups... I seriously doubt it, but figured I’d ask.

What is there is pretty freaking solid.  

Not sure what you need.

Enjoy your BRCC.  We all like different things.

Well, he has put up pro-2a justices. Seems a bit bigger in the scheme of things, but will have to wait and see decisions to see how it pans out. He made a few mistakes early on but has been flying straight since, especially of late.

I was joking. I just love some hypocrisy as much as the next guy. Not you just this thread in general.

Yea, I mean it was pretty clearly treading the vet/mil service, titties and explosions messaging. I never really took it as more than that, honestly. Obviously, many here conflated "hey I like guns and freedom too and they're selling me something" with "these guys believe exactly everything I do, they are my tribe and having their product in my pantry confirms everything about my belief structure and identity".

Tried the coffee, didn't like the product and moved on. Didn't think it was more complicated than that.

Things get really messy when you tie litmus tests to product purchase IMO.

What other choice did we have in the election? I'm waiting.

Does he own Black Rifle Coffee Company? That would be another shocking revelation. He did confirm a Supreme Court Justice who is likely very pro-2A, did BRCC do that, too?

Some of you are total dolts who can only think in binary. BRCC vs Starbucks. Trump vs. Never Trump. If you want to buy way overpriced coffee because you think that you are supporting a pro-2A business, it's pretty hard to see how there aren't about 5 better alternatives to BRCC even if you believe they might be lukewarm supporters of 2A rights. . Stocking Mill coffee seems to live the lifestyle and beliefs they claim to be selling. If you want to buy coffee comparable to BRCC quality at the lowest price, there are about 1000 better alternatives to BRCC.

BRCC is a marketing company that sells shirts and average coffee at a huge mark-up PRETENDING to be freedom loving gun bros. That brand has been exposed as a total fraud. Again, My Pillow is a way more politically active company in the promotion of Constitutional Freedoms. BRCC took total advantage of all of us.

Meh...we will have to wait and see on that.

Didn't BRCC move to TX recently?

And they're donating to ACTBLUE as recently as this year?

These guys are no different than the californians moving in to Austin.

2020 is a bitch aint it?

At first I was like "He canNOT be that stupid" then it dawned that... you aren't.  

Absence of proof is not proof of absence, or something.

-Corporate speak release, putting distance between themselves and controversy.

-Then pulling ad revenue because of mob outrage.

-Then backpedaling on the pulling of ad revenue because of large scale cancellations by core customers.

-More vague corporate speak backpedaling.

-Proof that their corporate speak is bullshit when it came to light that they do support the right to self defense if they decide who gets the support.

-Dubious campaign contributions coming to light.

-Proof that corporate officers were cozying up to Hillary coming to light.

Ok, they bungled this mess and handled it poorly.......that happens nowadays, with the speed of the internet and social media. They could have cleaned it up better with some strong statements to their core customer base, but that didn’t happen either. Ok, that’s not great, but maybe they could still have salvaged things.......but then everything else came to light.

It can be hard for people to accept that the lifestyle brand that they bought into isn’t what they thought it was. Never meet your heroes, or something.

So while they may not be “anti-gun” it sure doesn’t look like they’re staunchly Pro-2A either. Which is sad, when they cater and pander to the 2A demographic on the front end, but on the back end help support enemies of the 2A in some way.

“Bruh. You like guns? We like guns too! You like veterans? We are veterans! You like explosions and titties in marketing? Watch our videos, we have explosions and titties! Bruh, we sell coffee with cool names like AK47, you should totally buy some, we are just like you!”

So GD buys their coffee. Turns out, they aren’t quite as like GD as GD thought.

Whatever.

So are they going to rename and rebrand into something else after this?

So a man walks into a bar, and sits down. He starts a conversation with an old guy next to him. The old guy has obviously had a few. He says to the man:

"You see that dock out there? Built it myself, hand crafted each piece, and it's the best dock in town! But do they call me "McGregor the Dock Builder"? No! And you see that bridge over there? I built that, took me two months, through rain, sleet and scoarching weather, but do they call me "McGregor the Bridge Builder"? No! And you see that pier over there, I built that, best pier in the county! But do they call me "McGregor the Pier Builder"? No!"

The old guy looks around, and makes sure that nobody is listening, and leans to the man, and he says:

"But you fuck one sheep..."

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Some people live in this fantasy world were everything is black and white. They only associate with people that have 100% same beliefs on every topic ever discussed. Other people live in a world were everyone will not always agree 100% and that’s ok because there’s shades of gray. I prefer to live in a world were trivial dumb shit doesn’t bother me.

As I said earlier in the thread, this is a black and white world now whether you like it or not.

Personally, I don't consider supporting Commies on the backs of freedom loving Americans "trivial dumb shit" regardless of whatever else the person may have done.

I found it detestable when Trump donated to Commies regardless of the justification some here put forth and I've never supported him in a primary and, I find it equally detestable when Evan Hafer does it.

ETA: As Lug said, you do you. That's how freedom works. I know what I'm going to do, however, and that's not continue to buy a product from a company that will turn around and give that money to Dems. Not when there's other free market options like Stocking Mill Coffee.

What's funny is the black & white people, who think they only associate with people that have 100% ideologically pure people around them, really don't. They delude themselves into thinking they do.

Meanwhile, most of the people around them roll their eyes and inwardly think, "oh god not again" during each rant.

Supporting Obama, Gabbard, and Marxist PACs like ACT BLUE is hardly trivial.

Evan is claiming the donations are photoshopped.

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We do this shit every few months because every few months we keep getting the Judas Kiss from "industry partners" who want to make a buck off marketing and people who will buy stuff because of the name. HOW is their coffee worth more than any other "boutique" coffee brand? Their special aura is in name only. Gun owners keep getting stabbed in the back by companies looking to exploit a very loyal bunch of customers who have discretionary income they spend on causes they support.

How does BRCC become a "Tier One" brand in the gun community, that is beyond me. They're a coffee company and have created a "lifestyle" brand that so many suckers bought into. Catchy phrases of liberty and Americana on their t-shirts, marketing their company, and bam, they're up there with actual gun companies, not some fru-fru drink company. In the end, their politics suck and I won't buy their products EVER.

Well if he's not lying he probably needs to take that up with the FEC, as it shows an Evan Hafer employed by BRCC donating to ACTBLUE.

How many Evan Hafer's work for BRCC?

holy shit

lol

I feel duped for paying $$$ to them for coffee, I also thought they supported the 2A

Has anyone done across dudes voting records by chance ?

Maybe the photoshoppers hacked his account too!