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Posted: 12/28/2014 7:16:56 PM EDT
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Has CNN brought out the flight simulator yet?
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Posted: 12/28/2014 7:23:43 PM EDT
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an Asian Bermuda triangle ????
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Posted: 12/28/2014 7:23:43 PM EDT
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Posted: 12/28/2014 7:26:57 PM EDT
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Yes, I do! People's Express would fly you from Newark to Washington-National (as it was then) for $19. No reservations etc, you'd pay your fare in cash once you were on board. Flight was just long enough to drink (ok, chug) two cans of beer, also sold for cash on board. Good times.... Quote HistoryQuoted:
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EWR? Flew many times out of EWR on People's Airline, Remember them? People's was based out of the old terminal, all other airlines were based out of the new terminal south of the old. Used to look at the interior and dream what it must of been in the 40's and 50's with Connie's and Douglas aircraft parked out side. Yes, I do! People's Express would fly you from Newark to Washington-National (as it was then) for $19. No reservations etc, you'd pay your fare in cash once you were on board. Flight was just long enough to drink (ok, chug) two cans of beer, also sold for cash on board. Good times.... Fly to NYC for a concert and back the next day $29 each way, shuttles every hour on peaks |
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Posted: 12/28/2014 7:32:13 PM EDT
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The AA 8501 was surrounded by other commercial aircraft that night but none had to change their route or reported a weather emergency. UAE409 was directly in front of it and did not report anything. Two planes were flying directly opposite tracks and no one saw anything. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B57cyyKCUAAQqEl.png http://rantsofasassystew.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/Screen-Shot-2014-12-28-at-2.28.07-AM.png I bet a few Snack Bars were involved. Video of planes flying that night.  http://youtu.be/HYHY6rCBVz4
I do not understand the inconsistency between the first JPG and the video. The first JPG shows the plane near the TAVIP point where it reportedly disappeared. The animated track shows it going much further to the northwest well past the Pulau Belitung island. |
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Posted: 12/28/2014 7:40:35 PM EDT
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EWR? Flew many times out of EWR on People's Airline, Remember them? People's was based out of the old terminal, all other airlines were based out of the new terminal south of the old. Used to look at the interior and dream what it must of been in the 40's and 50's with Connie's and Douglas aircraft parked out side. Yes, I do! People's Express would fly you from Newark to Washington-National (as it was then) for $19. No reservations etc, you'd pay your fare in cash once you were on board. Flight was just long enough to drink (ok, chug) two cans of beer, also sold for cash on board. Good times.... Fly to NYC for a concert and back the next day $29 each way, shuttles every hour on peaks Flew Peoples Distress to NYC from upstate a number of times. It was an airborne version of Greyhound. |
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Posted: 12/28/2014 7:51:49 PM EDT
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I do not understand the inconsistency between the first JPG and the video. The first JPG shows the plane near the TAVIP point where it reportedly disappeared. The animated track shows it going much further to the northwest well past the Pulau Belitung island. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The AA 8501 was surrounded by other commercial aircraft that night but none had to change their route or reported a weather emergency. UAE409 was directly in front of it and did not report anything. Two planes were flying directly opposite tracks and no one saw anything. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B57cyyKCUAAQqEl.png http://rantsofasassystew.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/Screen-Shot-2014-12-28-at-2.28.07-AM.png I bet a few Snack Bars were involved. Video of planes flying that night. http://youtu.be/HYHY6rCBVz4
I do not understand the inconsistency between the first JPG and the video. The first JPG shows the plane near the TAVIP point where it reportedly disappeared. The animated track shows it going much further to the northwest well past the Pulau Belitung island. FR24 uses MLAT (multilateration) to estimate a plane's location when they're not receiving it's location http://www.multilateration.com/surveillance/multilateration.html |
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Posted: 12/28/2014 7:54:28 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The AA 8501 was surrounded by other commercial aircraft that night but none had to change their route or reported a weather emergency. UAE409 was directly in front of it and did not report anything. Two planes were flying directly opposite tracks and no one saw anything. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B57cyyKCUAAQqEl.png http://rantsofasassystew.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/Screen-Shot-2014-12-28-at-2.28.07-AM.png I bet a few Snack Bars were involved. Video of planes flying that night. http://youtu.be/HYHY6rCBVz4And if you line up the positions of those aircraft at the time none of them were within about 45-50 miles of the AirAsia. |
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Posted: 12/28/2014 7:57:02 PM EDT
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Posted: 12/28/2014 7:57:26 PM EDT
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FR24 uses MLAT (multilateration) to estimate a plane's location when they're not receiving it's location http://www.multilateration.com/surveillance/multilateration.html Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I do not understand the inconsistency between the first JPG and the video. The first JPG shows the plane near the TAVIP point where it reportedly disappeared. The animated track shows it going much further to the northwest well past the Pulau Belitung island. FR24 uses MLAT (multilateration) to estimate a plane's location when they're not receiving it's location http://www.multilateration.com/surveillance/multilateration.html The officially released "Last Known Coordinates" are 3°22'46.0"S 108°50'07.0"E Google Earth to 3 22 46 S, 108 50 7 E About 15nmi south of waypoint RAFIS and the M635 airway. This is different from the info that it lost contact after waypoint TAVIP on the M635 airway. 
--ETA: Image of ATC Display, doesn't match up exactly, but island can be seen on left. This display puts the plane ~ 10nmi to the East of the last reported coordinates (approximately where UAE409 is). 
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Posted: 12/28/2014 7:58:43 PM EDT
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And if you line up the positions of those aircraft at the time none of them were within about 45-50 miles of the AirAsia. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The AA 8501 was surrounded by other commercial aircraft that night but none had to change their route or reported a weather emergency. UAE409 was directly in front of it and did not report anything. Two planes were flying directly opposite tracks and no one saw anything. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B57cyyKCUAAQqEl.png http://rantsofasassystew.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/Screen-Shot-2014-12-28-at-2.28.07-AM.png I bet a few Snack Bars were involved. Video of planes flying that night. http://youtu.be/HYHY6rCBVz4
And if you line up the positions of those aircraft at the time none of them were within about 45-50 miles of the AirAsia. You did not watch the video. Two jets fly the reverse track directly at the 8501 and did not see anything. No ACARs information was received either. It just disappeared in water that is about 50 feet deep. |
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Posted: 12/28/2014 8:04:43 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: While that is possible, how do you explain no more radar/transponder returns? Even in a AF447 scenario, didn't it take them several minutes to descend into the ocean? Assuming that the transponder was not turned off, an in-flight breakup seems more likely. Give us more data/facts and guessing becomes easier. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: The flight envelope is getting pretty small, maybe 30 to 40 knots between overspeed and stall at that altitude. Add in adverse weather, crew ability, and the way the Airbus systems function (flight envelope protection) I could easily see the already concerned pilots question the flight systems and then proceed to fight the airplane into the sea. While that is possible, how do you explain no more radar/transponder returns? Even in a AF447 scenario, didn't it take them several minutes to descend into the ocean? Assuming that the transponder was not turned off, an in-flight breakup seems more likely. Give us more data/facts and guessing becomes easier. You or I have the ability to capture, view, and send that data to Flightradar24 via a USB dongle FWIW. |
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Posted: 12/28/2014 8:22:45 PM EDT
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Australian Defense Force says an AP-3C Orion Maritime Patrol Aircraft departed from Darwin to join AirAsia search operations - @SBSNews |
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Posted: 12/28/2014 8:23:45 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You did not watch the video. Two jets fly the reverse track directly at the 8501 and did not see anything. No ACARs information was received either. It just disappeared in water that is about 50 feet deep. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: The AA 8501 was surrounded by other commercial aircraft that night but none had to change their route or reported a weather emergency. UAE409 was directly in front of it and did not report anything. Two planes were flying directly opposite tracks and no one saw anything. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B57cyyKCUAAQqEl.png http://rantsofasassystew.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/Screen-Shot-2014-12-28-at-2.28.07-AM.png I bet a few Snack Bars were involved. Video of planes flying that night. http://youtu.be/HYHY6rCBVz4And if you line up the positions of those aircraft at the time none of them were within about 45-50 miles of the AirAsia. You did not watch the video. Two jets fly the reverse track directly at the 8501 and did not see anything. No ACARs information was received either. It just disappeared in water that is about 50 feet deep. EDIT: Just checked, the last known position is 100 miles past where those two planes overflew 8501. |
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Posted: 12/28/2014 8:29:05 PM EDT
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AirAsia flight QZ8501: Family of five skipped flight after cancelling Singapore trip due to grandpa's illness |
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Posted: 12/28/2014 8:36:06 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You did not watch the video. Two jets fly the reverse track directly at the 8501 and did not see anything. No ACARs information was received either. It just disappeared in water that is about 50 feet deep. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: The AA 8501 was surrounded by other commercial aircraft that night but none had to change their route or reported a weather emergency. UAE409 was directly in front of it and did not report anything. Two planes were flying directly opposite tracks and no one saw anything. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B57cyyKCUAAQqEl.png http://rantsofasassystew.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/Screen-Shot-2014-12-28-at-2.28.07-AM.png I bet a few Snack Bars were involved. Video of planes flying that night. http://youtu.be/HYHY6rCBVz4And if you line up the positions of those aircraft at the time none of them were within about 45-50 miles of the AirAsia. You did not watch the video. Two jets fly the reverse track directly at the 8501 and did not see anything. No ACARs information was received either. It just disappeared in water that is about 50 feet deep. The plane shadowed a second aircraft. |
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Posted: 12/28/2014 9:21:24 PM EDT
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Search is to be a 270 nmi radius from Belitung Island from the NE to SW.
That pretty much covers the West half of the Java Sea. Big area. |
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Posted: 12/28/2014 9:29:01 PM EDT
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<a href="http://s43.photobucket.com/user/redoubtable1/media/Millennium-movie-1989_zpscf769cbd.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e363/redoubtable1/Millennium-movie-1989_zpscf769cbd.jpg</a> Quote HistoryQuoted:
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BIL is a pilot. He says the A320 can't stay in the air long so it's somewhere on the earth at the moment. Unless...aliens or dragons. Or flying carpets. <a href="http://s43.photobucket.com/user/redoubtable1/media/Millennium-movie-1989_zpscf769cbd.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e363/redoubtable1/Millennium-movie-1989_zpscf769cbd.jpg</a> Good Movie! |
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Posted: 12/28/2014 9:38:33 PM EDT
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Just like MH370. The plane shadowed a second aircraft. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The AA 8501 was surrounded by other commercial aircraft that night but none had to change their route or reported a weather emergency. UAE409 was directly in front of it and did not report anything. Two planes were flying directly opposite tracks and no one saw anything. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B57cyyKCUAAQqEl.png http://rantsofasassystew.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/Screen-Shot-2014-12-28-at-2.28.07-AM.png I bet a few Snack Bars were involved. Video of planes flying that night. http://youtu.be/HYHY6rCBVz4
And if you line up the positions of those aircraft at the time none of them were within about 45-50 miles of the AirAsia. H You did not watch the video. Two jets fly the reverse track directly at the 8501 and did not see anything. No ACARs information was received either. It just disappeared in water that is about 50 feet deep. The plane shadowed a second aircraft. The other plane looks damn close. |
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Posted: 12/28/2014 9:56:37 PM EDT
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The other plane looks damn close. The range from RAFIS to AirAsia is 52.9 nmi. At a guess, it's over 25 nmi away from the UAE flight in the ATC capture. The planes need to maintain a 5 nmi separation at same altitude, or 1,000 ft vertical separation. The planes appearing to overlap have more than 1,000ft vertical separation, usually 3,000 to a mile or more. |
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Posted: 12/28/2014 10:00:20 PM EDT
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The range from RAFIS to AirAsia is 52.9 nmi. At a guess, it's over 25 nmi away from the UAE flight in the ATC capture. The planes need to maintain a 5 nmi separation at same altitude, or 1,000 ft vertical separation. The planes appearing to overlap have more than 1,000ft vertical separation, usually 3,000 to a mile or more. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The other plane looks damn close. The range from RAFIS to AirAsia is 52.9 nmi. At a guess, it's over 25 nmi away from the UAE flight in the ATC capture. The planes need to maintain a 5 nmi separation at same altitude, or 1,000 ft vertical separation. The planes appearing to overlap have more than 1,000ft vertical separation, usually 3,000 to a mile or more. I see. The video made it look like they were possibly in visual range of each other. |
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Posted: 12/28/2014 10:28:55 PM EDT
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From CNN
The Airbus A320 is equipped with a ditching switch, Diehl said, that essentially turns the plane's fuselage into a boat. "If they got the aircraft down on the water safely," he said, "it should be floating." |
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Posted: 12/28/2014 10:40:48 PM EDT
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From CNN The Airbus A320 is equipped with a ditching switch, Diehl said, that essentially turns the plane's fuselage into a boat. "If they got the aircraft down on the water safely," he said, "it should be floating." The "miracle on the Hudson" was called that for a reason. The probability that the aircraft is intact and floating in the ocean is so near to zero it might as well be. |
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Posted: 12/28/2014 11:01:05 PM EDT
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Indonesian's search chief says they estimate missing AirAsia flight |
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Posted: 12/28/2014 11:04:23 PM EDT
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They still haven't found this thing? I know the weather was pretty bad over there. How long exactly have they been searching for it?
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Posted: 12/28/2014 11:06:29 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The "miracle on the Hudson" was called that for a reason. The probability that the aircraft is intact and floating in the ocean is so near to zero it might as well be. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: From CNN The Airbus A320 is equipped with a ditching switch, Diehl said, that essentially turns the plane's fuselage into a boat. "If they got the aircraft down on the water safely," he said, "it should be floating." The "miracle on the Hudson" was called that for a reason. The probability that the aircraft is intact and floating in the ocean is so near to zero it might as well be. |
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Posted: 12/28/2014 11:07:11 PM EDT
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They still haven't found this thing? I know the weather was pretty bad over there. How long exactly have they been searching for it? Maybe 24 hours excluding nightime. |
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Posted: 12/28/2014 11:10:13 PM EDT
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Indonesian officials say it has sent 10 ships, 2 helicopters, diver |
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Posted: 12/28/2014 11:24:05 PM EDT
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While that is possible, how do you explain no more radar/transponder returns? Even in a AF447 scenario, didn't it take them several minutes to descend into the ocean? Assuming that the transponder was not turned off, an in-flight breakup seems more likely. Give us more data/facts and guessing becomes easier. Is that even possible with modern airliners? (other than a shitty repair on a critical piece of the aircraft.) |
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Posted: 12/28/2014 11:24:20 PM EDT
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AirAsia plane likely 'at bottom of sea': Indonesia search chief
I noticed one of the changes suggested after Air France 447 crashed was to include an Angle of Attack indicator in the cockpit. This suggestion was never implemented. Maybe they could have been saved by a piece of yarn taped to the windshield if it went down for the same reason? |
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Posted: 12/29/2014 12:21:03 AM EDT
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AirAsia plane likely 'at bottom of sea': Indonesia search chief I noticed one of the changes suggested after Air France 447 crashed was to include an Angle of Attack indicator in the cockpit. This suggestion was never implemented. Maybe they could have been saved by a piece of yarn taped to the windshield if it went down for the same reason? Airbus, you scary yo. My wife and toddler are flying overseas to Asia to visit her family tomorrow morning. I checked their tickets earlier.....Boeing 777. Whew. 
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Posted: 12/29/2014 12:33:44 AM EDT
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The "miracle on the Hudson" was called that for a reason. The probability that the aircraft is intact and floating in the ocean is so near to zero it might as well be. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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From CNN The Airbus A320 is equipped with a ditching switch, Diehl said, that essentially turns the plane's fuselage into a boat. "If they got the aircraft down on the water safely," he said, "it should be floating." The "miracle on the Hudson" was called that for a reason. The probability that the aircraft is intact and floating in the ocean is so near to zero it might as well be. And compared to the Hudson event, the probability goes down a lot in open ocean, near extreme storms, and probably in nasty seas... |
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Posted: 12/29/2014 12:36:22 AM EDT
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http://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/singapore/live-blog-missing-airasia/1554372.html#cxrecs_s
"09.24AM: The search today will take place around Pulau Momparang and Pulau Nangka, Indonesian officials tell Channel NewsAsia. Fishermen are said to have heard a crash near Pulau Nangka - but the fisherman who said this has not been verified, while others say they saw a plane going down near Pulau Lung." |
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Posted: 12/29/2014 1:02:33 AM EDT
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I'm guessing they aren't receiving any radio signal from ELTs that would be functioning (theoretically) above/on water. Otherwise they wouldn't have released that it is nearly certainly on the bottom of the ocean.
The CVR/CDR black boxes can be picked up from a mile away with sonar. That should make it a quick find in 200ft deep water and a relatively small search area (compared to MH370 or Air France 447 which are both in several mile deep water). |
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Posted: 12/29/2014 1:05:30 AM EDT
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The boss lady said the same thing earlier today. No pics leg humpers.
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Posted: 12/29/2014 1:07:00 AM EDT
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Airbus, you scary yo. My wife and toddler are flying overseas to Asia to visit her family tomorrow morning. I checked their tickets earlier.....Boeing 777. Whew. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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AirAsia plane likely 'at bottom of sea': Indonesia search chief I noticed one of the changes suggested after Air France 447 crashed was to include an Angle of Attack indicator in the cockpit. This suggestion was never implemented. Maybe they could have been saved by a piece of yarn taped to the windshield if it went down for the same reason? Airbus, you scary yo. My wife and toddler are flying overseas to Asia to visit her family tomorrow morning. I checked their tickets earlier.....Boeing 777. Whew. Poorly trained crews can crash any aircraft. Several 737s crashed and killed all on board due to shitty design and poor pilot training. Look up 737 rudder reversal or dual concentric servo valve and read all about it. The two 777s that crashed don't mean boeings suck, both companies have nearly identical safety records. |
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Posted: 12/29/2014 1:07:39 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Has CNN brought out the flight simulator yet? When did Richard Quest, that creepy British reporter guy, become an aviation expert?
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Posted: 12/29/2014 1:10:05 AM EDT
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I'm guessing they aren't receiving any radio signal from ELTs that would be functioning (theoretically) above/on water. Otherwise they wouldn't have released that it is nearly certainly on the bottom of the ocean. The CVR/CDR black boxes can be picked up from a mile away with sonar. That should make it a quick find in 200ft deep water and a relatively small search area (compared to MH370 or Air France 447 which are both in several mile deep water). The lack of an ELT signal means nothing in my opinion. That is based upon general aviation ELTs not having a high activation rate when needed. I do not know the water depth where they are looking but somewhere I heard 50 feet. That is unverified but your point remains that a black box detector should be much more effective in this area. I hope that they do not announce a possible debris field with every bit of ocean flotsam that is found. |
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Posted: 12/29/2014 1:11:38 AM EDT
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Poorly trained crews can crash any aircraft. Several 737s crashed and killed all on board due to shitty design and poor pilot training. Look up 737 rudder reversal or dual concentric servo valve and read all about it. The two 777s that crashed don't mean boeings suck, both companies have nearly identical safety records. I doubt that you can claim faulty piloting of the 737 that went vertical downward on final to Colorado Springs. |
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Posted: 12/29/2014 1:17:27 AM EDT
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I doubt that you can claim faulty piloting of the 737 that went vertical downward on final to Colorado Springs. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Poorly trained crews can crash any aircraft. Several 737s crashed and killed all on board due to shitty design and poor pilot training. Look up 737 rudder reversal or dual concentric servo valve and read all about it. The two 777s that crashed don't mean boeings suck, both companies have nearly identical safety records. I doubt that you can claim faulty piloting of the 737 that went vertical downward on final to Colorado Springs. At least three 737 crashes are attributed to rudder hardovers. All were caused by shitty design, exacerbated by excessive control inputs, no different than the pilot who tore the tail off his Airbus by stomping on the rudder pedals unnecessarily. |
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Posted: 12/29/2014 1:25:09 AM EDT
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Assuming that QZ8501 is in the Java Sea, what happened may be explained by the location of debris and which pieces are where along with flight data information.
I do not know if an Airbus can be destroyed in a thunderstorm. An in-flight breakup could be due to a bomb or other explosion. Maybe they stalled in like Air France 447. Or they could have entered a spiral dive or similar. This one could be found and an explanation known before MH370 is found. |
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Posted: 12/29/2014 2:01:58 AM EDT
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There is an airworthiness directive out for the 320 that is kind of interesting. Potentially the two AOA sensors can send bad data and the airplane will think it's at a critical angle of attack. Because of the system logic the pilots can not override the aircrafts pitch down command.
Here is a link to the older AD. . I know the FAA just reissued it because my company sent out a notice to flight crews recently. |
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Posted: 12/29/2014 3:53:57 AM EDT
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Australian plane spotted objects in ocean in search area.
Guess we'll find out if it is plane parts, or junk that fell off one of the many ships. |
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Posted: 12/29/2014 3:56:42 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Australian plane spotted objects in ocean in search area. Guess we'll find out if it is plane parts, or junk that fell off one of the many ships. Not official yet. But like the MH370 search, I'm not suprised that shit only happens when a western nation gets involved. Indonesia=LOL. Singapore is equipped for self defence only, not maritime search. But then again in theory this should have been a simple search
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Posted: 12/29/2014 4:51:56 AM EDT
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Satellites would have received the ELT signal, Airbus planes are supposed to be equipped with them which auto-switch on when wet. They aren't made of black-box materials, though.
The Australian sighting was apparently 700 miles away from last known position of the aircraft. I'm thinking they meant kilometers instead of miles, since 700 puts them out of the java sea almost entirely. |
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Posted: 12/29/2014 5:01:10 AM EDT
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Sorry if I missed the answer already as I only quickly scanned the last couple of pages.
In the leaked ATC photo, the ground speed is only 3XX. Is that data sent from the plane or is that data from ATC radar? Is it measuring only true lateral ground speed or is airspeed computed with it? My initial thought was that the plane could've been in a dive with a forward ground speed of 3XX and it broke up from air speed, but that seems like too simple of an explanation. |
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Posted: 12/29/2014 5:06:24 AM EDT
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Sorry if I missed the answer already as I only quickly scanned the last couple of pages. In the leaked ATC photo, the ground speed is only 3XX. Is that data sent from the plane or is that data from ATC radar? Is it measuring only true lateral ground speed or is airspeed computed with it? My initial thought was that the plane could've been in a dive with a forward ground speed of 3XX and it broke up from air speed, but that seems like too simple of an explanation. It is speed over ground from what I've heard. It should be in the 500 kt range, 300 kt is near stall speed at that altitude (36,000 ft), especially if there were a sudden tailwind from turbulence. |
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Posted: 12/29/2014 5:11:50 AM EDT
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Indonesia Vice President Kalla: 30 ships, 50 aircraft searching for AirAsia flight QZ8501 Doesn't make sense. 2 days (1.5 with weather) of searching and no trace? |
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Posted: 12/29/2014 5:23:54 AM EDT
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Indonesia Vice President Kalla: 30 ships, 50 aircraft searching for AirAsia flight QZ8501 Doesn't make sense. 2 days (1.5 with weather) of searching and no trace? That part of the world seem to REALY suck at finding aircraft lost aircraft. |
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Posted: 12/29/2014 5:29:55 AM EDT
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It is speed over ground from what I've heard. It should be in the 500 kt range, 300 kt is near stall speed at that altitude (36,000 ft), especially if there were a sudden tailwind from turbulence. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Sorry if I missed the answer already as I only quickly scanned the last couple of pages. In the leaked ATC photo, the ground speed is only 3XX. Is that data sent from the plane or is that data from ATC radar? Is it measuring only true lateral ground speed or is airspeed computed with it? My initial thought was that the plane could've been in a dive with a forward ground speed of 3XX and it broke up from air speed, but that seems like too simple of an explanation. It is speed over ground from what I've heard. It should be in the 500 kt range, 300 kt is near stall speed at that altitude (36,000 ft), especially if there were a sudden tailwind from turbulence. I think there is still some confusion. Does that speed reading take into consideration elevation ascents or descents? I will use some examples to help illustrate what I'm asking. A rocket fired straight up would have a fast vertical climb speed but the horizontal ground speed would be 0. Meanwhile, a bomb dropped from a hot air balloon would have a fast vertical descent speed but again, the horizontal ground speed would be 0. Both the rocket and bomb would actually have fast air speeds. If the ATC system only measures ground speed, the bomb and rocket would have a ground speed 0 and would give the illusion that the bomb and rocket aren't moving at all until the radar refreshes to show elevation changes. Is it possible the ATC photo was from when the plane was quickly descending at a slope, perhaps just prior to it breaking up from an extreme air speed? Several ATC photos in a series would've been a lot more helpful. |
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