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Posted: 12/28/2014 2:01:50 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: LOL...he's either a really brave or really stupid pilot if he is. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: From the airliners.net board
I doubt that guy flys any airline. That is one of the stupidest statements I have ever read. LOL...he's either a really brave or really stupid pilot if he is. |
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Posted: 12/28/2014 2:12:07 PM EDT
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Well, "land" might be optimistic. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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This is interesting. It has landed? 
Check the link for yourself. http://www.flightradar24.com/data/airplanes/pk-axc/ http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y22/TractorDre/AR15/FlightQZ8501_zpsc4a5341d.jpg Well, "land" might be optimistic. If I can quote the MH370 thread, we haven't left one up there yet. |
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Posted: 12/28/2014 2:24:27 PM EDT
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Posted: 12/28/2014 2:25:14 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If I can quote the MH370 thread, we haven't left one up there yet. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: This is interesting. It has landed? Check the link for yourself. http://www.flightradar24.com/data/airplanes/pk-axc/ http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y22/TractorDre/AR15/FlightQZ8501_zpsc4a5341d.jpg Well, "land" might be optimistic. If I can quote the MH370 thread, we haven't left one up there yet. |
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Posted: 12/28/2014 2:28:43 PM EDT
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So what is the range of one of these airbuses
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Posted: 12/28/2014 2:29:46 PM EDT
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Dont these planes have GPS transmitters?
Unless the GPS thing was f'd, we would know where the plane was. |
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Posted: 12/28/2014 2:32:36 PM EDT
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Dont these planes have GPS transmitters? Unless the GPS thing was f'd, we would know where the plane was. GPS, ELT, Transponders... |
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Posted: 12/28/2014 2:40:21 PM EDT
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Amelia Earhart is thowing a hellava party....somewhere. |
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Posted: 12/28/2014 2:43:06 PM EDT
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Dont these planes have GPS transmitters? Unless the GPS thing was f'd, we would know where the plane was. GPS as a receiver/navigation aid does not help. ELT may help especially if it is GPS-enabled but I am skeptical that it would transmit long if the plane went under quickly. Obviously any asset that could receive a signal needs to be checked. Transponder: If similar to what I use it is a reply type system that needs to be interrogated by active radar. I will assume/guess that in the event of a catastrophic breakup, power to the transponder may be interrupted. Still this aspect needs to be thoroughly investigated. ADS-B: Another possibility that can provide actual location information but receiver systems may not cover the area where the plane was. Another point is did that plane have an ACARS or similar system like Malaysia Air MH370 that allowed another company to verify that it was flying after the transponder was turned off. |
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Posted: 12/28/2014 2:55:37 PM EDT
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GPS, ELT, Transponders... Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Dont these planes have GPS transmitters? Unless the GPS thing was f'd, we would know where the plane was. GPS, ELT, Transponders... So why cant they locate the devices (only if they were not f'd in a crash or accident)? |
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Posted: 12/28/2014 3:01:57 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Note to self: Do not fly any airlines that Originate from an Asian country. I think you mean Asian/muslim country.  Emirates, Qatar and Etihad are all pretty good too... JAL 123 still holds the record for single deadliest accident. I'm thinking Tenerife holds that record. Yes, it's two planes, but it's also a single disaster...
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Posted: 12/28/2014 3:11:58 PM EDT
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Posted: 12/28/2014 3:14:17 PM EDT
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So why cant they locate the devices (only if they were not f'd in a crash or accident)? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Dont these planes have GPS transmitters? Unless the GPS thing was f'd, we would know where the plane was. GPS, ELT, Transponders... So why cant they locate the devices (only if they were not f'd in a crash or accident)? Because they aren't designed to survive when a plane disintegrates at altitude, because statistically it's a very rare event in the rare event category of airplane crashes. |
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Posted: 12/28/2014 3:20:10 PM EDT
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A shithole mess of an airport. Actually, it's not that bad. Mostly. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Compare how many aircraft qatas has with our SMALLEST airline and their flight schedule. Then get back to me. Sure, a little company-relatively speaking- will have a smaller accident incident, but if you're good at math, which yo me, it doesn't seem like you are, the numbers speak for themselves. USA! USA!  Dude...Qantas is the 2nd oldest airline in the world and flies a ton of long haul, including the longest route in the world. It's a major airline, not an airline that specialises in short domestic trips. Seriously, lay off the weed. You are making an ass of yourself. I have flown Qantas between LAX and SYD (flight approx 15 hrs) and SYD and HKG (approx 9 hours - these flights long haul enough for you?) numerous times. It is one of the best airlines in the world and its pilots are top notch professionals. Anyone running down Qantas is doing so out of ignorance. US airlines are a sad joke. Trying to save a little money vs Cathay I just flew from Narita to EWR on United. I'll spare you a rant and simply say 'never again'. United isn't even close to being in the same league as Cathay, Qantas, or several other int'l carriers. It's an embarrassment. ETA: and don't even get me started on EWR. I've seen cleaner and more efficient airports in the third world. What a first impression for foreigners arriving in the US. It's a disgrace. What's EWR? A shithole mess of an airport. Actually, it's not that bad. Mostly. EWR? Flew many times out of EWR on People's Airline, Remember them? People's was based out of the old terminal, all other airlines were based out of the new terminal south of the old. Used to look at the interior and dream what it must of been in the 40's and 50's with Connie's and Douglas aircraft parked out side. |
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Posted: 12/28/2014 3:29:33 PM EDT
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Posted: 12/28/2014 3:41:17 PM EDT
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GPS as a receiver/navigation aid does not help. ELT may help especially if it is GPS-enabled but I am skeptical that it would transmit long if the plane went under quickly. Obviously any asset that could receive a signal needs to be checked. Transponder: If similar to what I use it is a reply type system that needs to be interrogated by active radar. I will assume/guess that in the event of a catastrophic breakup, power to the transponder may be interrupted. Still this aspect needs to be thoroughly investigated. ADS-B: Another possibility that can provide actual location information but receiver systems may not cover the area where the plane was. Another point is did that plane have an ACARS or similar system like Malaysia Air MH370 that allowed another company to verify that it was flying after the transponder was turned off. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Dont these planes have GPS transmitters? Unless the GPS thing was f'd, we would know where the plane was. GPS as a receiver/navigation aid does not help. ELT may help especially if it is GPS-enabled but I am skeptical that it would transmit long if the plane went under quickly. Obviously any asset that could receive a signal needs to be checked. Transponder: If similar to what I use it is a reply type system that needs to be interrogated by active radar. I will assume/guess that in the event of a catastrophic breakup, power to the transponder may be interrupted. Still this aspect needs to be thoroughly investigated. ADS-B: Another possibility that can provide actual location information but receiver systems may not cover the area where the plane was. Another point is did that plane have an ACARS or similar system like Malaysia Air MH370 that allowed another company to verify that it was flying after the transponder was turned off. 
I still find it funny that people still trust the company after they said "hey, the plane is over there!!! no... wait... Over there!!!..." and nothing has been found in their locations. Nothing. Even on the bottom of the ocean. In 9 months. There may have been a communication, but their ability to know where it came from (not what it came from) is extremely lacking. |
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Posted: 12/28/2014 3:45:35 PM EDT
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I still find it funny that people still trust the company after they said "hey, the plane is over there!!! no... wait... Over there!!!..." and nothing has been found in their locations. Nothing. Even on the bottom of the ocean. In 9 months. There may have been a communication, but their ability to know where it came from (not what it came from) is extremely lacking. The last I read an extensive search is being conducted. The timeframe to complete the search is multiple months. MH370 may still be found. I would check with any assets that receive ELT signals and have them look for even one signal. Perhaps SAR assets are not alerted until the system receives three or four or more signals. If there is a single signal with that aircraft's ID and the ELT provided last known GPS location, then you have a good place to search for wreckage. |
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Posted: 12/28/2014 4:07:31 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I have heard that they go wild for American accents. I'd like to check it out someday, my grandfather is from the New Zealand part of Oz. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: 8%, not 10. Vacationers that overstayed their visas. Probably so drunk they missed their planes. We don't get beer out of our taps here in Murica. Well you cant walk here and be a "border jumper" can you.  No they are staying for the lifestyle and the horny women I have heard that they go wild for American accents. I'd like to check it out someday, my grandfather is from the New Zealand part of Oz. And I hope your kids turn into Kangeroos and kick over your outhouse. ETA - Jus' sayin' |
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Posted: 12/28/2014 4:13:14 PM EDT
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EWR? Flew many times out of EWR on People's Airline, Remember them? People's was based out of the old terminal, all other airlines were based out of the new terminal south of the old. Used to look at the interior and dream what it must of been in the 40's and 50's with Connie's and Douglas aircraft parked out side. Yes, I do! People's Express would fly you from Newark to Washington-National (as it was then) for $19. No reservations etc, you'd pay your fare in cash once you were on board. Flight was just long enough to drink (ok, chug) two cans of beer, also sold for cash on board. Good times.... |
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Posted: 12/28/2014 4:15:08 PM EDT
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I'm thinking Tenerife holds that record. Yes, it's two planes, but it's also a single disaster... Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Note to self: Do not fly any airlines that Originate from an Asian country. I think you mean Asian/muslim country.
Emirates, Qatar and Etihad are all pretty good too... JAL 123 still holds the record for single deadliest accident. I'm thinking Tenerife holds that record. Yes, it's two planes, but it's also a single disaster... By single, I meant single plane. You're correct that Tenerife is still the deadliest accident. |
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Posted: 12/28/2014 4:26:12 PM EDT
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LOL....Throughout the day I've been switching to CNN maybe once a hour on average and each-and-every-time they have been harping on the Air Asia flight.
Hey CNN, air travel is more common than bus or train travel to US citizens......No other network devotes days of coverage to a bus wreck or train derailment. That is also the way the public sees air travel accidents. It stands to reason when you fill the sky with passenger planes shit is going to happen and a few will go down. |
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Posted: 12/28/2014 4:45:05 PM EDT
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What kind of Airbus was the one that fell apart right after takeoff in New York after 9/11? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I doubt that guy flys any airline. That is one of the stupidest statements I have ever read. LOL...he's either a really brave or really stupid pilot if he is. A300-600; older generation than the A320. |
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Posted: 12/28/2014 4:56:58 PM EDT
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It's now day 2 and dragons are still the most likely answer
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Posted: 12/28/2014 5:09:04 PM EDT
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random pic
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Posted: 12/28/2014 5:12:24 PM EDT
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Posted: 12/28/2014 5:17:39 PM EDT
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LOL....Throughout the day I've been switching to CNN maybe once a hour on average and each-and-every-time they have been harping on the Air Asia flight.
Hey CNN, air travel is more common than bus or train travel to US citizens......No other network devotes days of coverage to a bus wreck or train derailment. That is also the way the public sees air travel accidents. It stands to reason when you fill the sky with passenger planes shit is going to happen and a few will go down. Yeah you're right. A bus crash or train derailment is exactly the same as a plane going down the ocean. The odds of survival are the exactly the same, and the level of trauma involved in all incidents are exactly the same. |
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Posted: 12/28/2014 5:18:06 PM EDT
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Ugh....damn...Obama didn't do this when hotties are involved....must of been Russians or dragons
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Posted: 12/28/2014 5:19:26 PM EDT
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IT'S A TRAP!  Quote HistoryAlright, which one is a dude? |
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Posted: 12/28/2014 5:30:44 PM EDT
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Alright, which one is a dude? Quote HistoryQuoted:
Alright, which one is a dude? All 3. |
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Posted: 12/28/2014 5:31:36 PM EDT
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Alright, which one is a dude? Quote HistoryQuoted:
Alright, which one is a dude? It 's a surprise! |
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Posted: 12/28/2014 5:34:38 PM EDT
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A GE spokesman said, via Reuters, that the missing AirAsia jet did |
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Posted: 12/28/2014 5:35:56 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted:  TOO SOON?  |
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Posted: 12/28/2014 5:37:46 PM EDT
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A GE spokesman said, via Reuters, that the missing AirAsia jet did not have 'real-time remote engine diagnostics service,' in accordance with its role as a short-haul aircraft.MH370 did not have the service either. Yet the basic ACARS (?) system still interacted with a satellite to provide the data used to establish the current search area. |
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Posted: 12/28/2014 5:38:36 PM EDT
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Posted: 12/28/2014 5:40:48 PM EDT
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Stewardesses are usually hotter than the above pic. There's usually 1 older stewardess, who is the boss of the others and is very efficient. The stewardesses, in general, are young and hot but really slow.
And for those of you who lean that way, there's usually 1 male steward on board too
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Posted: 12/28/2014 5:45:58 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Alright, which one is a dude? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: random pic IT'S A TRAP! Alright, which one is a dude? |
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Posted: 12/28/2014 6:05:39 PM EDT
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History repeats itself. This one didn't jump all over on radar the way MH370 did, and it was flying through a severe storm, unlike the clear air of MH370. Still a bit creepy that they haven't found wreckage yet. |
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Posted: 12/28/2014 6:07:40 PM EDT
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It's daybreak in the region now and the search id about to recommence.
Lets hope they have some news soon |
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Posted: 12/28/2014 6:10:39 PM EDT
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This one didn't jump all over on radar the way MH370 did, and it was flying through a severe storm, unlike the clear air of MH370. Still a bit creepy that they haven't found wreckage yet. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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History repeats itself. This one didn't jump all over on radar the way MH370 did, and it was flying through a severe storm, unlike the clear air of MH370. Still a bit creepy that they haven't found wreckage yet. Any information on the storm? How high it was altitude wise... |
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Posted: 12/28/2014 6:12:34 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Any information on the storm? How high it was altitude wise... Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: History repeats itself. This one didn't jump all over on radar the way MH370 did, and it was flying through a severe storm, unlike the clear air of MH370. Still a bit creepy that they haven't found wreckage yet. Any information on the storm? How high it was altitude wise... 50,000ft+ |
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Posted: 12/28/2014 6:21:29 PM EDT
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History repeats itself. This one didn't jump all over on radar the way MH370 did, and it was flying through a severe storm, unlike the clear air of MH370. Still a bit creepy that they haven't found wreckage yet. Any information on the storm? How high it was altitude wise... Storm tops averaging 44k feet, some higher. Aircraft assigned FL320 (~32,000 ft @ standard temp and pressure), last reported altitude was > 36,000 ft and climbing. I'd put money on an "orientation lost" dive into the ocean, similar conditions and radar loss as Air France 447, which was also an Airbus. --ETA: A meteorological analysis of the area surrounding the flight path showed a mesoscale convective system extending to an altitude of around 50,000 feet (15,000 m) above the Atlantic Ocean before Flight 447 disappeared. Second Most Probable, from what has been given: After May 2008, nine previous incidents involving the temporary loss of airspeed indication appeared in the Air Safety Reports (ASRs) for Air France's A330/A340 fleet. All occurred in cruise between flight levels FL310 and FL380. The first problem was reported on May 2008 and the latter two on March 2009, one of them the first event on an A330. Further, after F-GZCP accident, Air France has identified six additional incidents which had not been reported on ASRs. |
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Posted: 12/28/2014 6:46:41 PM EDT
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After May 2008, nine previous incidents involving the temporary loss of airspeed indication appeared in the Air Safety Reports (ASRs) for Air France's A330/A340 fleet. All occurred in cruise between flight levels FL310 and FL380. The first problem was reported on May 2008 and the latter two on March 2009, one of them the first event on an A330. Further, after F-GZCP accident, Air France has identified six additional incidents which had not been reported on ASRs. Wasn't that ice related? Thought they fixed that. |
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Posted: 12/28/2014 6:51:18 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That is ground speed. If there is a 100 knot headwind, that is a perfectly normal airspeed. If there is no headwind, it is not. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: https://twitter.com/GerryS/status/549075001173766144 Apparently a leaked photo of the Air Traffic Control screen showing 36300 ft and climbing but only 353 knots. Apparently this is bad That is ground speed. If there is a 100 knot headwind, that is a perfectly normal airspeed. If there is no headwind, it is not. I seen that AirNav Indonesia reported that the pilots said they were climbing to FL38 due to weather. The ceiling for the A320 is FL39. The flight envelope is getting pretty small, maybe 30 to 40 knots between overspeed and stall at that altitude. Add in adverse weather, crew ability, and the way the Airbus systems function (flight envelope protection) I could easily see the already concerned pilots question the flight systems and then proceed to fight the airplane into the sea. |
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Posted: 12/28/2014 7:00:28 PM EDT
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I seen that AirNav Indonesia reported that the pilots said they were climbing to FL38 due to weather. The ceiling for the A320 is FL39. The flight envelope is getting pretty small, maybe 30 to 40 knots between overspeed and stall at that altitude. Add in adverse weather, crew ability, and the way the Airbus systems function (flight envelope protection) I could easily see the already concerned pilots question the flight systems and then proceed to fight the airplane into the sea. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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https://twitter.com/GerryS/status/549075001173766144 Apparently a leaked photo of the Air Traffic Control screen showing 36300 ft and climbing but only 353 knots. Apparently this is bad That is ground speed. If there is a 100 knot headwind, that is a perfectly normal airspeed. If there is no headwind, it is not. I seen that AirNav Indonesia reported that the pilots said they were climbing to FL38 due to weather. The ceiling for the A320 is FL39. The flight envelope is getting pretty small, maybe 30 to 40 knots between overspeed and stall at that altitude. Add in adverse weather, crew ability, and the way the Airbus systems function (flight envelope protection) I could easily see the already concerned pilots question the flight systems and then proceed to fight the airplane into the sea. Used to be called the Coffin Corner. My moneys on aircraft upset, inability of crew to right. The old pull instead of push thing. Seen it in Air France crash, seen it in Buffalo crash (Colgan). First rule of flying, "Fly the Aircraft" |
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Posted: 12/28/2014 7:01:41 PM EDT
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Wasn't that ice related? Thought they fixed that. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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After May 2008, nine previous incidents involving the temporary loss of airspeed indication appeared in the Air Safety Reports (ASRs) for Air France's A330/A340 fleet. All occurred in cruise between flight levels FL310 and FL380. The first problem was reported on May 2008 and the latter two on March 2009, one of them the first event on an A330. Further, after F-GZCP accident, Air France has identified six additional incidents which had not been reported on ASRs. Wasn't that ice related? Thought they fixed that. The currently missing airplane was delivered in Sept of 2008. I left it as a possibility due to that (manufacturing lag), and somebody buying a new airplane assuming the pitot tube thing would have been fixed on a brand new plane. It would be that or some other sensor if not pilot error. Though I thought Airbus training was to let go of the controls if in a messed up situation and the plane would correct itself (explanation of how France 447 could have not crashed). Those are just my two guesses as to what happened (pilot error, sensor error). Beyond those, Dragons are the obvious choice. |
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Posted: 12/28/2014 7:03:12 PM EDT
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The flight envelope is getting pretty small, maybe 30 to 40 knots between overspeed and stall at that altitude. Add in adverse weather, crew ability, and the way the Airbus systems function (flight envelope protection) I could easily see the already concerned pilots question the flight systems and then proceed to fight the airplane into the sea. While that is possible, how do you explain no more radar/transponder returns? Even in a AF447 scenario, didn't it take them several minutes to descend into the ocean? Assuming that the transponder was not turned off, an in-flight breakup seems more likely. Give us more data/facts and guessing becomes easier. |
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Posted: 12/28/2014 7:03:26 PM EDT
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this theory probably hasnt been mentioned before: maybe it got diverted to Diego Garcia or some remote areas of Pakistan/afghanistan, by remote control or hijacking, where passengers are being held, and the plane will be used in a terrorist attack.
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Posted: 12/28/2014 7:03:56 PM EDT
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The AA 8501 was surrounded by other commercial aircraft that night but none had to change their route or reported a weather emergency. UAE409 was directly in front of it and did not report anything. Two planes were flying directly opposite tracks and no one saw anything.
I bet a few Snack Bars were involved. Video of planes flying that night. 
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Posted: 12/28/2014 7:10:10 PM EDT
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this theory probably hasnt been mentioned before: maybe it got diverted to Diego Garcia or some remote areas of Pakistan/afghanistan, by remote control or hijacking, where passengers are being held, and the plane will be used in a terrorist attack. Occam's Razor: go read up on it and stop over-thinking/fantacizing so much |
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Posted: 12/28/2014 7:10:36 PM EDT
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The currently missing airplane was delivered in Sept of 2008. I left it as a possibility due to that (manufacturing lag), and somebody buying a new airplane assuming the pitot tube thing would have been fixed on a brand new plane. It would be that or some other sensor if not pilot error. Though I thought Airbus training was to let go of the controls if in a messed up situation and the plane would correct itself (explanation of how France 447 could have not crashed). Those are just my two guesses as to what happened (pilot error, sensor error). Beyond those, Dragons are the obvious choice. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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After May 2008, nine previous incidents involving the temporary loss of airspeed indication appeared in the Air Safety Reports (ASRs) for Air France's A330/A340 fleet. All occurred in cruise between flight levels FL310 and FL380. The first problem was reported on May 2008 and the latter two on March 2009, one of them the first event on an A330. Further, after F-GZCP accident, Air France has identified six additional incidents which had not been reported on ASRs. Wasn't that ice related? Thought they fixed that. The currently missing airplane was delivered in Sept of 2008. I left it as a possibility due to that (manufacturing lag), and somebody buying a new airplane assuming the pitot tube thing would have been fixed on a brand new plane. It would be that or some other sensor if not pilot error. Though I thought Airbus training was to let go of the controls if in a messed up situation and the plane would correct itself (explanation of how France 447 could have not crashed). Those are just my two guesses as to what happened (pilot error, sensor error). Beyond those, Dragons are the obvious choice. I always got the impression Airbus relied on their planes to fly, more than their pilots. |
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