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Posted: 3/21/2022 2:10:13 PM EDT
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I'd suspect it should be no word on survivors. Terrible  |
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Posted: 3/21/2022 2:18:58 PM EDT
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Unfortunately it looks like suicide to me.
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Posted: 3/21/2022 2:19:48 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The other 364 days of the year, GD is hating on China and Chinese as much as possible. I'm surprised he was the first and last to say it based on the normal sentiment here. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Now they are 133 good communists. The large number of mainland Chinese people I've worked with (in China) over the last 30 years are just like us. They love their family, appreciate their jobs, and tolerate their government. So, don't be that guy. I'm surprised he was the first and last to say it based on the normal sentiment here. I have no issues with the average Chinese citizen. They're just people trying to live their lives. The biggest gripe I have is that most of them make shitty tourists. The leaders of their government are a different matter. I wish the plane was full of them instead, including the pilots. |
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Posted: 3/21/2022 2:20:34 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: All the plane crashes the last 5 years really makes me not want to fly at all. Glad I work at home. Disregard, it’s already been addressed. |
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Posted: 3/21/2022 2:21:42 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Why is this "Breaking" This affects us ZERO edgy |
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Posted: 3/21/2022 2:24:52 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Video:
Well that looks intentional. Have we seen the flight passenger list yet? |
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Posted: 3/21/2022 2:30:32 PM EDT
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Not a pilot but there is no way an airliner can go vertical into the ground like that unintentionally, especially a newer airplane.
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Posted: 3/21/2022 2:36:33 PM EDT
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Quoted: Not a pilot but there is no way an airliner can go vertical into the ground like that unintentionally, especially a newer airplane. Not exactly true. The scenario other than suicide that could look like this is the plane enters rapid, steady descent, they figure out the cause (whatever may have caused it) about 9000’, pull up too hard, tail feathers come off, nose dive. |
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Posted: 3/21/2022 2:45:38 PM EDT
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In before we find out the plane was full of their biological scientists from Wuhan.
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Posted: 3/21/2022 2:47:00 PM EDT
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Has there ever been an airplane crash thread in GD where the first guesses weren't intentional/terrorism?
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Posted: 3/21/2022 2:50:28 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: People actually fly on Chinese airplanes?  Only briefly. |
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Posted: 3/21/2022 2:54:01 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Not a pilot but there is no way an airliner can go vertical into the ground like that unintentionally, especially a newer airplane. |
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Posted: 3/21/2022 2:58:50 PM EDT
[#13]
The 737 is great airframe, the 737 max was complete mistake from the ground up, they should all be scrapped.
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Posted: 3/21/2022 2:59:48 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: There are unconfirmed reports that they plane may have been hijacked and the pilot did this specifically to stop the real intention of having the plane hit a major population center. So just pure speculation at this point. |
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Posted: 3/21/2022 3:02:44 PM EDT
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Interesting. The 737 is pretty much the safest thing to ever leave a runway besides a bird. I'd bet either "deferred maintenance" or sabotage.
The MAX is a whole different ballgamne though, and shouldnt rest on the laurels of the 737 IMO. Either way, if that pic is right that thing lawn darted right in so at least it was one quick checkout for the passengers. |
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Posted: 3/21/2022 3:07:59 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Only briefly. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: People actually fly on Chinese airplanes? Only briefly.  |
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Posted: 3/21/2022 3:32:04 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: A civilian jet went down with all hands and this is the first thing that came to your mind? Real classy. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Now they are 133 good communists. Actually that was the second thing not out of my mouth but from my phone. The first thing had more to do with Chinese aircraft maintenance and how Boeing will get the blame. |
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Posted: 3/21/2022 3:46:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The 737 is great airframe, the 737 max was complete mistake from the ground up, they should all be scrapped. There were many mistakes, all were avoidable, and all could’ve been fixed/mitigated easily. They should be scrapped? Maybe on feelings alone - otherwise, that’s absurd. |
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Posted: 3/21/2022 3:56:35 PM EDT
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Deleted. I don’t want to hurt any more feels.
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Posted: 3/21/2022 3:59:38 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yeah but odds of dieing in any plane crash are only 1 in 10k. And that’s not terrible but it’s definitely not great at all. Dieing by dog attack is 1 in 70k but I guarantee there are probably more people here afraid of dogs then airplanes. Your odds of being involved in a fatal plane crash (of any type of plane) are about 1 in 5 million, per flight (based on 2020 numbers). For your odds to be 1 in 10k over a given period of time, you'd need to fly approximately 500 times, in planes with an average chance of crashing. US-based commercial airlines are safer than average, so a lot of your flights would need to be on Aeroflot or in GA planes piloted by doctors. |
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Posted: 3/21/2022 4:05:33 PM EDT
[#21]
Ok, I'll do it....
 Pilots names released: Wi Tu Lo & Sum Ting Wong |
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Posted: 3/21/2022 6:07:10 PM EDT
[#22]
Has anyone Called Dragons for the cause yet?
Then of course the standard 
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Posted: 3/21/2022 6:38:48 PM EDT
[#23]
737-800.
NOT Max.  China Eastern Airlines Flight 5735 Crash 21 March 2022 |
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Posted: 3/21/2022 6:54:05 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Chinese maintenance is my guess. The engineers have more training in arrogance than aeronautics. Bad news and Boeing will get the blame. Fuck China. Lots of airlines outsource their maintenance to places like China.
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Posted: 3/21/2022 7:30:17 PM EDT
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Tough one. Hate to speculate on cause. But if the 737 gets too fast in a dive, really overspeeds, a mach wave will form over the horizontal stab making it impossible to pull out. With pod slung engines, in a dive, throttles need to be pulled to Idle, exacerbating the pitch down, but lessening thrust, elevator and stab trim use to pitch the nose up has to be judicious so as not to over G the Aircraft. NG in certain weight, altitude and wind conditions can overspeed just easing over out of altitude at VNAV TOD (vertical navigation at top of descent) on autopilot. Just have to monitor and anticipate it, click off auto throttles and autopilot if necessary, and lesson the rate of descent. Sometimes a mountain wave issue, but usually not violent enough to depart the aircraft.
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Posted: 3/21/2022 7:31:39 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Climate change caused the crash You might be on to something. |
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Posted: 3/21/2022 7:35:04 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Sense of control and the resulting consequences are far different in a car crash or falling in a bathtub situation. If you die because you fell out of a bathtub you don't fall 30,000ft out of the tub to your death, lol. If you die in a car crash you're not likely to die as a result of your car accidentally going off the summit of Mt. Everest. When driving you can control your own vehicle, have protective features that actually can save your life, and have good situational awareness. When getting out of a tub you can grab hold on something and it's something pretty normal we do, that 999 times out of 1000 occur without issue. Whereas with an airplane you're strapped in at the mercy of the pilots, and the mystery of whatever is going on in the cabin. Random weather crap or sudden parts failures carry with them the risk of a plane crash; an event in which you have no felt sense of control, don't know when the sudden stp will occur or if suddenly things will get under control and be ok, and in which safety items like belts and oxygen won't do a damned thing if the plane comes down bigly, or breaks up in the air. Couple that with a lot of people having a general fear of heights, and that results in air travel seeming much more risky than taking a bath. engineer here (not the train kind). you are confusing your emotions with statistics. if you are at a US airport flying domestically, and concerned about the risk of dying -- whatever you do, do not drive home. |
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Posted: 3/21/2022 8:00:05 PM EDT
[#28]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Covid got 'em  Knock it the fuck off with this shit |
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Posted: 3/21/2022 8:11:31 PM EDT
[#29]
Prayers for those lost.
Crazy video. Would tail separation cause something like that? I can’t imagine those poor people’s last moments… sheer terror. And recognition that you are going to die… At least it was quick. |
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Posted: 3/21/2022 8:20:01 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: 737-800, b-1791, Built 2015 So relatively new as passenger planes go. I’d guess that fuselage was made here in Wichita. |
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Posted: 3/21/2022 9:16:23 PM EDT
[#31]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I’d guess that fuselage was made here in Wichita. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: 737-800, b-1791, Built 2015 So relatively new as passenger planes go. I’d guess that fuselage was made here in Wichita. Do they make them anywhere else? |
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Posted: 3/21/2022 9:17:28 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Well that looks intentional. Have we seen the flight passenger list yet? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Video:
Well that looks intentional. Have we seen the flight passenger list yet? |
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Posted: 3/21/2022 9:20:06 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: China probably did it to make Boeing look bad. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Video:
Well that looks intentional. Have we seen the flight passenger list yet? Right as their own domestic equivalent rolls out. |
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Posted: 3/21/2022 9:25:09 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Knock it the fuck off with this shit Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Covid got 'em Knock it the fuck off with this shit Switch to decaf |
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Posted: 3/21/2022 9:26:11 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Lots of airlines outsource their maintenance to places like China. When I started in aviation I made real good money contracting at big maintenance shops. A lot of those jobs went to China. |
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Posted: 3/21/2022 9:34:53 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted:   Drama Llama much?         WE'RE ALL GOING TO DIE ON AN AIRPLANE!!!!!!! AHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!! |
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Posted: 3/21/2022 10:01:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Covid got 'em Not, Kung Flew |
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Posted: 3/21/2022 10:04:26 PM EDT
[#38]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Tough one. Hate to speculate on cause. But if the 737 gets too fast in a dive, really overspeeds, a mach wave will form over the horizontal stab making it impossible to pull out. With pod slung engines, in a dive, throttles need to be pulled to Idle, exacerbating the pitch down, but lessening thrust, elevator and stab trim use to pitch the nose up has to be judicious so as not to over G the Aircraft. NG in certain weight, altitude and wind conditions can overspeed just easing over out of altitude at VNAV TOD (vertical navigation at top of descent) on autopilot. Just have to monitor and anticipate it, click off auto throttles and autopilot if necessary, and lesson the rate of descent. Sometimes a mountain wave issue, but usually not violent enough to depart the aircraft. Thanks for this. I’ll print it out and keep it with me in case I need to help pull a 737 out of a stall |
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Posted: 3/21/2022 10:21:17 PM EDT
[#39]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Tough one. Hate to speculate on cause. But if the 737 gets too fast in a dive, really overspeeds, a mach wave will form over the horizontal stab making it impossible to pull out. With pod slung engines, in a dive, throttles need to be pulled to Idle, exacerbating the pitch down, but lessening thrust, elevator and stab trim use to pitch the nose up has to be judicious so as not to over G the Aircraft. NG in certain weight, altitude and wind conditions can overspeed just easing over out of altitude at VNAV TOD (vertical navigation at top of descent) on autopilot. Just have to monitor and anticipate it, click off auto throttles and autopilot if necessary, and lesson the rate of descent. Sometimes a mountain wave issue, but usually not violent enough to depart the aircraft. |
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Posted: 3/21/2022 10:34:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryIf that is it then the mountain rumor is irrelevant. No one survived it. |
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Posted: 3/21/2022 10:36:07 PM EDT
[#41]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Do they make them anywhere else? Older ones maybe in Renton? Don’t know. |
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Posted: 3/21/2022 10:38:59 PM EDT
[#42]
What were the pilots names?
What? Too soon? |
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Posted: 3/21/2022 10:39:21 PM EDT
[#43]
Quote HistoryYup, those folks are greesy spots now. |
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Posted: 3/21/2022 10:42:48 PM EDT
[#44]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Ok, I'll do it.... Pilots names released: Wi Tu Lo & Sum Ting Wong Bang Ding Oww? |
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Posted: 3/21/2022 10:44:32 PM EDT
[#45]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Tough one. Hate to speculate on cause. But if the 737 gets too fast in a dive, really overspeeds, a mach wave will form over the horizontal stab making it impossible to pull out. With pod slung engines, in a dive, throttles need to be pulled to Idle, exacerbating the pitch down, but lessening thrust, elevator and stab trim use to pitch the nose up has to be judicious so as not to over G the Aircraft. NG in certain weight, altitude and wind conditions can overspeed just easing over out of altitude at VNAV TOD (vertical navigation at top of descent) on autopilot. Just have to monitor and anticipate it, click off auto throttles and autopilot if necessary, and lesson the rate of descent. Sometimes a mountain wave issue, but usually not violent enough to depart the aircraft. T-45 instructor pilot to Southwest Airlines?? |
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Posted: 3/21/2022 10:44:37 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Do they make them anywhere else? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: 737-800, b-1791, Built 2015 So relatively new as passenger planes go. I'd guess that fuselage was made here in Wichita. Do they make them anywhere else? |
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Posted: 3/21/2022 10:47:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Ok, I'll do it.... Pilots names released: Wi Tu Lo & Sum Ting Wong Someone should call you an idiot |
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Posted: 3/21/2022 11:04:24 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: No offense to you but this reads like an armchair flightsim commando. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Tough one. Hate to speculate on cause. But if the 737 gets too fast in a dive, really overspeeds, a mach wave will form over the horizontal stab making it impossible to pull out. With pod slung engines, in a dive, throttles need to be pulled to Idle, exacerbating the pitch down, but lessening thrust, elevator and stab trim use to pitch the nose up has to be judicious so as not to over G the Aircraft. NG in certain weight, altitude and wind conditions can overspeed just easing over out of altitude at VNAV TOD (vertical navigation at top of descent) on autopilot. Just have to monitor and anticipate it, click off auto throttles and autopilot if necessary, and lesson the rate of descent. Sometimes a mountain wave issue, but usually not violent enough to depart the aircraft. Maybe my 2,200 T-45 Navy IP hours and 15,000 B737-200/300/500/700/800/Max hours made me talk a little too technical. Sorry about that. |
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Posted: 3/21/2022 11:10:01 PM EDT
[#49]
Quote HistoryQuoted: In before we find out the plane was full of their biological scientists from Wuhan. |
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Posted: 3/21/2022 11:11:13 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Maybe my 2,500 T-45 Navy IP hours and 18,500 B737-200/300/500/700/800/Max hours made me talk a little too technical. Sorry about that.
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