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Posted: 8/19/2022 5:48:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Not everyone who has a different opinion (even one that most people may disagree with) is necessarily a troll that is deliberately trying to be disruptive. However, both Shadow_Dancer and ISEEYOU2 seemed to be blatant trolling and just trying to provoke a negative reaction, rather than trying to have a discussion or argument. I'm definitely keeping an eye on the thread. Quote HistoryQuoted: @DK-Prof, can you do the rest of the thread slider trolls too? Thanks. Not everyone who has a different opinion (even one that most people may disagree with) is necessarily a troll that is deliberately trying to be disruptive. However, both Shadow_Dancer and ISEEYOU2 seemed to be blatant trolling and just trying to provoke a negative reaction, rather than trying to have a discussion or argument. I'm definitely keeping an eye on the thread. DK, have any of the trump absolutist who are trying to provoke a negative reaction from non trump supporters been removed from the thread? |
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Posted: 8/19/2022 5:49:27 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: What I think is funny is that far too many here take whatever bait is laid in front of them and then go into an apoplectic vapor lock without any further facts. Well, I guess the FOIA will find out. |
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Posted: 8/19/2022 5:51:19 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Pure BS when president Trump declassified everything he had delivered to his home. Also stored in a SCIF with an FBI padlock on it. Your mental gymnastics are impressive but the basis of the warrant is as total shit as the FISA warrant basis, total shit. Your discussion is a circular loop of the same crap. Was that SCIF his office? The dining room where he was known to share classified information? Or that storage room by the pool that documents were recovered from? But since he declassified everything why would anything even have to be stored in a SCIF? |
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Posted: 8/19/2022 5:51:45 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: What I think is funny is that far too many here take whatever bait is laid in front of them and then go into an apoplectic vapor lock without any further facts. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: So this originally came from RandomGuy1911A1? and GD believed it....  Your site says you do it in the TOS. Pretty fucked up to think it's funny, cause if it's true it's not funny - at all. What I think is funny is that far too many here take whatever bait is laid in front of them and then go into an apoplectic vapor lock without any further facts. Consider the reasons. And the fact that no one here did anything but ask for proof. |
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Posted: 8/19/2022 5:52:40 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Unfortunately in my commie state this shit is common place.. we had a governor election a few years back, and the republican candidate won by a percentage point or two. But then there was a recount, and the dem got MORE votes... then votes were found 'left in a car trunk' and they got counted.. and then after a 2nd recount she gained even more.. then MORE votes were found in a 'back room' that forgot to be counted.. and miraculously they were ALL for the dem again, and after a 3rd recount she came out a ahead and won, and the republican candidate just conceded. I have 0 faith in our system.. for years now. its all a SCAM. |
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Posted: 8/19/2022 5:53:39 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: We don't know if everything at his home was declassified because we neither have access to what classified information he had nor do we have information about what was declassified. For people that are good at mistrusting things, GD is terribly trusting of what Trump says with no proof. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: It's a case with a probable cause affidavit that supposedly contains classified information because the search was targeting classified information. The fact that the judge is considering releasing anything is shocking in a good way. Pure BS when president Trump declassified everything he had delivered to his home. Also stored in a SCIF with an FBI padlock on it. Your mental gymnastics are impressive but the basis of the warrant is as total shit as the FISA warrant basis, total shit. Your discussion is a circular loop of the same crap. We do have a clue. Kash Patel told us what it was, and that it was declassified. If he's right or not... |
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Posted: 8/19/2022 6:00:46 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: We do have a clue. Kash Patel told us what it was, and that it was declassified. If he's right or not... Yet a couple months ago Kash was talking about how the National Archives blocked a bunch of Russiagate documents from being declassified and Trump was asking him to get them and release them. |
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Posted: 8/19/2022 6:06:48 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: We do have a clue. Kash Patel told us what it was, and that it was declassified. If he's right or not... Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: It's a case with a probable cause affidavit that supposedly contains classified information because the search was targeting classified information. The fact that the judge is considering releasing anything is shocking in a good way. Pure BS when president Trump declassified everything he had delivered to his home. Also stored in a SCIF with an FBI padlock on it. Your mental gymnastics are impressive but the basis of the warrant is as total shit as the FISA warrant basis, total shit. Your discussion is a circular loop of the same crap. We do have a clue. Kash Patel told us what it was, and that it was declassified. If he's right or not... |
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Posted: 8/19/2022 6:07:25 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Pure BS when president Trump declassified everything he had delivered to his home. Also stored in a SCIF with an FBI padlock on it. Your mental gymnastics are impressive but the basis of the warrant is as total shit as the FISA warrant basis, total shit. Your discussion is a circular loop of the same crap. |
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Posted: 8/19/2022 6:24:18 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yet a couple months ago Kash was talking about how the National Archives blocked a bunch of Russiagate documents from being declassified and Trump was asking him to get them and release them. The government didn’t want the documents to be declassified so they just didn’t do the work. So trump declassified them anyway. |
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Posted: 8/19/2022 6:25:19 PM EDT
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If Trump had the documents and they were declassified, why would he not have made copies/digitized them by now? He doesn't seem like the type to sit and wait for things or get lazy.
Sorry if this has been answered. The last ~50 pages or so were filled with so much trolling that all I could manage was to look for article/twitter posts. |
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Posted: 8/19/2022 6:26:51 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yet a couple months ago Kash was talking about how the National Archives blocked a bunch of Russiagate documents from being declassified and Trump was asking him to get them and release them. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: We do have a clue. Kash Patel told us what it was, and that it was declassified. If he's right or not... Yet a couple months ago Kash was talking about how the National Archives blocked a bunch of Russiagate documents from being declassified and Trump was asking him to get them and release them. Pretty sure that is how it went. Yet we've seen the doc where he declassed all of it despite their BS on his last day. I'm pretty sure it's been posted here for you to see. |
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Posted: 8/19/2022 6:27:48 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Kash Patel is hardly a neutral party and his story also doesn't make sense. In order for him to know that all of the documents were declassified, he would have to know what documents were present at Mar A Lago. I don't think Kash was in charge of filing. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: It's a case with a probable cause affidavit that supposedly contains classified information because the search was targeting classified information. The fact that the judge is considering releasing anything is shocking in a good way. Pure BS when president Trump declassified everything he had delivered to his home. Also stored in a SCIF with an FBI padlock on it. Your mental gymnastics are impressive but the basis of the warrant is as total shit as the FISA warrant basis, total shit. Your discussion is a circular loop of the same crap. We do have a clue. Kash Patel told us what it was, and that it was declassified. If he's right or not... I tend to lean heavily towards his story, rather than yours. |
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Posted: 8/19/2022 6:28:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'd wager winning an election from prison would be pretty fucking difficult. Even if you like trump having your countries leader in prison isn't desirable. I'd wager he won't win a primary from jail either. Biden won from his basement... how tough could it really be? |
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Posted: 8/19/2022 6:29:40 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If Trump had the documents and they were declassified, why would he not have made copies/digitized them by now? He doesn't seem like the type to sit and wait for things or get lazy. Sorry if this has been answered. The last ~50 pages or so were filled with so much trolling that all I could manage was to look for article/twitter posts. We don't know if he did or not. But the russia/fisagate stuff was declassified, and I don't see a reason that he wouldn't have a backup. |
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Posted: 8/19/2022 6:32:46 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If Trump had the documents and they were declassified, why would he not have made copies/digitized them by now? He doesn't seem like the type to sit and wait for things or get lazy. Sorry if this has been answered. The last ~50 pages or so were filled with so much trolling that all I could manage was to look for article/twitter posts. Which hint/planting shit. Now said camera were left on. fbi says oh shit. Trolls go reeeee |
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Posted: 8/19/2022 6:36:39 PM EDT
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The DOJ gets a whole week to redact anything we really want to know. How about a whistle blower out of the DOJ or the judges office leak the whole thing unedited. That's the new American way but only works for one side.
Remember that movie about the Vietnam POW's and McCain or one of those prisoners stumbled onto two guys listening to Inagadadivida, drinking beer and having a good time. Traitors and who were they in real life? |
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Posted: 8/19/2022 6:39:34 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: We don't know if everything at his home was declassified because we neither have access to what classified information he had nor do we have information about what was declassified. For people that are good at mistrusting things, GD is terribly trusting of what Trump says with no proof. It also isn't normal to go to a simple magistrate that has conflicts of interest as opposed to a federal judge approved by congress for something of this magnitude. |
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Posted: 8/19/2022 6:39:34 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: We do have a clue. Kash Patel told us what it was, and that it was declassified. If he's right or not... Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: It's a case with a probable cause affidavit that supposedly contains classified information because the search was targeting classified information. The fact that the judge is considering releasing anything is shocking in a good way. Pure BS when president Trump declassified everything he had delivered to his home. Also stored in a SCIF with an FBI padlock on it. Your mental gymnastics are impressive but the basis of the warrant is as total shit as the FISA warrant basis, total shit. Your discussion is a circular loop of the same crap. We do have a clue. Kash Patel told us what it was, and that it was declassified. If he's right or not... And it has been previously posted in this thread. 
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Posted: 8/19/2022 6:40:48 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: We do have a clue. Kash Patel told us what it was, and that it was declassified. If he's right or not... I wonder how the FBI interview went with Kash patel? My bet is they didn't interview him at all |
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Posted: 8/19/2022 6:44:55 PM EDT
[#21]
Quote HistoryQuoted: All the never Trump TDS tards have been telling us Trump is washed up and middle of the road average American voter is sick of his shit. Well it's shaping up to be quite the opposite considering how these primaries are turning out. And despite what they say support for Trump is stronger than ever. Here's the way I see it: Trump has overwhelming support in areas where there is a modicum of existing political or media support. Meaning, anywhere he's ALLOWED to be heard, he has a ton of support. The places where media and politicians 100% shut him or his policies down, he is unpopular. Hell, it's not even about him anymore. Most folks who support him don't necessarily care about Trump the man. They only want to drain the swamp. I guess the inverse is true about those who hate him. |
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Posted: 8/19/2022 6:49:02 PM EDT
[#22]
Quote HistoryQuoted: We don't know if everything at his home was declassified because we neither have access to what classified information he had nor do we have information about what was declassified. For people that are good at mistrusting things, GD is terribly trusting of what Trump says with no proof. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: It's a case with a probable cause affidavit that supposedly contains classified information because the search was targeting classified information. The fact that the judge is considering releasing anything is shocking in a good way. Pure BS when president Trump declassified everything he had delivered to his home. Also stored in a SCIF with an FBI padlock on it. Your mental gymnastics are impressive but the basis of the warrant is as total shit as the FISA warrant basis, total shit. Your discussion is a circular loop of the same crap. Even if he had classified material, it's irrelevant. This isn't the proper procedure to deal with it. Certainly not conforming with precedent. If we raided Obama, Clinton, Bush, I'd bet we'd find far more classified documents than Trump may have. They are lying about their motives. |
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Posted: 8/19/2022 6:50:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Here's the way I see it: Trump has overwhelming support in areas where there is a modicum of existing political or media support. Meaning, anywhere he's ALLOWED to be heard, he has a ton of support. The places where media and politicians 100% shut him or his policies down, he is unpopular. Hell, it's not even about him anymore. Most folks who support him don't necessarily care about Trump the man. They only want to drain the swamp. I guess the inverse is true about those who hate him. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: All the never Trump TDS tards have been telling us Trump is washed up and middle of the road average American voter is sick of his shit. Well it's shaping up to be quite the opposite considering how these primaries are turning out. And despite what they say support for Trump is stronger than ever. Here's the way I see it: Trump has overwhelming support in areas where there is a modicum of existing political or media support. Meaning, anywhere he's ALLOWED to be heard, he has a ton of support. The places where media and politicians 100% shut him or his policies down, he is unpopular. Hell, it's not even about him anymore. Most folks who support him don't necessarily care about Trump the man. They only want to drain the swamp. I guess the inverse is true about those who hate him. You know damn well his supporters give a shit about him. You're just trying to paint them as a "cult" like the other trolls in this thread. |
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Posted: 8/19/2022 6:50:45 PM EDT
[#24]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Yet a couple months ago Kash was talking about how the National Archives blocked a bunch of Russiagate documents from being declassified and Trump was asking him to get them and release them. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: We do have a clue. Kash Patel told us what it was, and that it was declassified. If he's right or not... Yet a couple months ago Kash was talking about how the National Archives blocked a bunch of Russiagate documents from being declassified and Trump was asking him to get them and release them. Trump declassified them, they didn't want to comply. |
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Posted: 8/19/2022 6:51:31 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: And it has been previously posted in this thread. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FZ_2ZMHXwAAdvho?format=jpg&name=large Thank you Sir |
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Posted: 8/19/2022 6:52:04 PM EDT
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Posted: 8/19/2022 6:57:22 PM EDT
[#27]
This is gonna get REAL GOOD.
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Posted: 8/19/2022 7:00:27 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The affidavit that we haven't seen yet is what would have established probable cause for the search. The search warrant itself is just like every other search warrant and it is nothing unusual in terms of its scope and wording. I blame TV for giving people completely unrealistic notions about how warrants work. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: No, the judge is explicitly breaking with the rules by indicating that he is likely to release a redacted affidavit. That is not a common thing. Nor is it common to give carte blanche do grab nothing specific other than (everything from his 4 years as president). If this doesn't ring as fishing expedition whether you hate the person or like the person, you are intentionally being obtuse and believe that you to could be targeted for nothing with the hopes that they find something No, this is completely wrong. Again, "and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized". The warrant was illegal. It was a general warrant. The affidavit isn't necessary to see that the warrant was unlawfully overly broad. This isn't a matter of conjecture but a matter of settled Constitutional law. |
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Posted: 8/19/2022 7:01:43 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Was that SCIF his office? The dining room where he was known to share classified information? Or that storage room by the pool that documents were recovered from? But since he declassified everything why would anything even have to be stored in a SCIF? Are you debating the prior FBI visit, inventory and evaluating the security with added requirements Trump complied to or are you just tossing more shit, assumptions and speculations? Want to keep guessing or buy a vowel? |
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Posted: 8/19/2022 7:02:10 PM EDT
[#30]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm very aware of what the Fourth says. If you were Trump's lawyer, what legal argument would you make that the warrant is defective and violates the constitution? I've read the warrant and it looks just like every warrant I've ever seen. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: The affidavit that we haven't seen yet is what would have established probable cause for the search. The search warrant itself is just like every other search warrant and it is nothing unusual in terms of its scope and wording. I blame TV for giving people completely unrealistic notions about how warrants work. For your reading enjoyment "A valid search warrant requires the issuing judge to be neutral, and that probable cause exists to believe that evidence of a crime will be discovered in the places to be searched. Fishing expeditions or raids are unconstitutional. The Fourth Amendment requires warrants to "particularly [describe] the place to be searched and the persons or things to be seized." No, it doesn't. It doesn't describe the specific things that are to be seized nor does it describe where those things were to be found nor does it place any limitations on either. The warrant was overly broad and this invalid/illegal. |
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Posted: 8/19/2022 7:03:10 PM EDT
[#31]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Since the material was declassified, it's a waste for expensive space to store it in a SCIF when any old closet in a home with 24/7 Secret Service guards is more than adequate. But when you're a billionaire I guess you don't worry about the cost per square foot of a SCIF. That's going to confuse the slow kids. |
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Posted: 8/19/2022 7:03:59 PM EDT
[#32]
Quote HistoryQuoted: It's a case with a probable cause affidavit that supposedly contains classified information because the search was targeting classified information. The fact that the judge is considering releasing anything is shocking in a good way. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: I see. So you actually know nothing about how often Affidavits supporting warrants in national security cases are released prior to charges. But this isn't a national security case this is as close to the assassination that they want as they are willing to get so far. There's no intimation at all that the affidavit contained classified information nor did the warrant indicate such. |
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Posted: 8/19/2022 7:04:43 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: DK, have any of the trump absolutist who are trying to provoke a negative reaction from non trump supporters been removed from the thread? I appreciated getting called a “cucked quisling”. I had to look it up, and learned a new word. 
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Posted: 8/19/2022 7:06:21 PM EDT
[#34]
Quote HistoryQuoted: We don't know if everything at his home was declassified because we neither have access to what classified information he had nor do we have information about what was declassified. For people that are good at mistrusting things, GD is terribly trusting of what Trump says with no proof. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: It's a case with a probable cause affidavit that supposedly contains classified information because the search was targeting classified information. The fact that the judge is considering releasing anything is shocking in a good way. Pure BS when president Trump declassified everything he had delivered to his home. Also stored in a SCIF with an FBI padlock on it. Your mental gymnastics are impressive but the basis of the warrant is as total shit as the FISA warrant basis, total shit. Your discussion is a circular loop of the same crap. No, we don't have to trust Trump's word on that, we have a public record of him issuing the declassification memo. |
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Posted: 8/19/2022 7:06:57 PM EDT
[#35]
Quote HistoryQuoted: We don't know if everything at his home was declassified because we neither have access to what classified information he had nor do we have information about what was declassified. For people that are good at mistrusting things, GD is terribly trusting of what Trump says with no proof. Except his order everything sent to his home was to be declassified? https://trendingpolitics.com/donald-trump-had-a-standing-order-mar-a-lago-documents-were-to-be-considered-declassified-knab/ |
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Posted: 8/19/2022 7:10:22 PM EDT
[#36]
Quote HistoryQuoted: No, it doesn't. It doesn't describe the specific things that are to be seized nor does it describe where those things were to be found nor does it place any limitations on either. The warrant was overly broad and this invalid/illegal. You have never applied for a search warrant, nor had training in law enforcement or criminal justice work. If a law enforcement officer is looking for documents, the scope of the search is any area at the property described where documents could be found/stored/hidden. As for the actual affidavit, since it hasn’t been released, it is premature to say definitively that it is faulty/invalid/illegal. There might be probable cause to do what they did, but the larger question is how wise it was. I do not think it was wise to do, legal or not, with the Hillary Clinton elephant in the room. |
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Posted: 8/19/2022 7:12:40 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted:
This is what makes sense to me. They had someone fabricate a story of Trump destroying documents. This is what gives them cause to seize everything. Thinking Trump has some classified documents, doesn't justify taking everything, not does it justify a raid. Now the motive for them fabricating the pretext for the raid. Was most likely to seize any documents related to spy gate and any other of the crimes they were involved to protect themselves and co-conspirators. Trump is sueing them in Trump v Clinton, they are guilty as fuck with those documents. |
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Posted: 8/19/2022 7:17:07 PM EDT
[#38]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I appreciated getting called a “cucked quisling”. I had to look it up, and learned a new word. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: DK, have any of the trump absolutist who are trying to provoke a negative reaction from non trump supporters been removed from the thread? I appreciated getting called a “cucked quisling”. I had to look it up, and learned a new word. I am just curious if the policy to remove people from threads is consistant. |
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Posted: 8/19/2022 7:23:58 PM EDT
[#39]
Quote HistoryQuoted: You have never applied for a search warrant, nor had training in law enforcement or criminal justice work. If a law enforcement officer is looking for documents, the scope of the search is any area at the property described where documents could be found/stored/hidden. As for the actual affidavit, since it hasn’t been released, it is premature to say definitively that it is faulty/invalid/illegal. There might be probable cause to do what they did, but the larger question is how wise it was. I do not think it was wise to do, legal or not, with the Hillary Clinton elephant in the room. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: No, it doesn't. It doesn't describe the specific things that are to be seized nor does it describe where those things were to be found nor does it place any limitations on either. The warrant was overly broad and this invalid/illegal. You have never applied for a search warrant, nor had training in law enforcement or criminal justice work. If a law enforcement officer is looking for documents, the scope of the search is any area at the property described where documents could be found/stored/hidden. As for the actual affidavit, since it hasn’t been released, it is premature to say definitively that it is faulty/invalid/illegal. There might be probable cause to do what they did, but the larger question is how wise it was. I do not think it was wise to do, legal or not, with the Hillary Clinton elephant in the room. What you are saying here, is that searches and seizures by law enforcement are regularly conducted in an unconstitutional manner. He posted the plain text of the Fourth Amendment, as did I earlier. It's not his (or mine, or any other American's) fault that lawyers and judges have weasel worded the issue enough that it is now considered "settled" that illegal warrants and seizures (that do not specifically name the items to be seized) are "legal". And of course as even the Founders recognized, just because it's "law" doesn't mean it's legal or right. |
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Posted: 8/19/2022 7:25:58 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: We have been for a while. But only one side has been on the offensive . Republicans are seen as punching bags and have been for a long time. Why wouldn't that invite more of it? I'm not sure they'll do all that well in November. No one wants to vote for weaklings and the only one with any stones is Trump himself. The party has lost respect. After everything that's gone on from shooting at Republicans at baseball games to impeachment and raiding Mar-a-lago under false pretenses, a sizable number of Republicans still vote with Democrats. I never see crossover in the other direction. Motherfuckers. Infuriating.  |
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Posted: 8/19/2022 7:26:29 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You have never applied for a search warrant, nor had training in law enforcement or criminal justice work. If a law enforcement officer is looking for documents, the scope of the search is any area at the property described where documents could be found/stored/hidden. As for the actual affidavit, since it hasn’t been released, it is premature to say definitively that it is faulty/invalid/illegal. There might be probable cause to do what they did, but the larger question is how wise it was. I do not think it was wise to do, legal or not, with the Hillary Clinton elephant in the room. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: No, it doesn't. It doesn't describe the specific things that are to be seized nor does it describe where those things were to be found nor does it place any limitations on either. The warrant was overly broad and this invalid/illegal. You have never applied for a search warrant, nor had training in law enforcement or criminal justice work. If a law enforcement officer is looking for documents, the scope of the search is any area at the property described where documents could be found/stored/hidden. As for the actual affidavit, since it hasn’t been released, it is premature to say definitively that it is faulty/invalid/illegal. There might be probable cause to do what they did, but the larger question is how wise it was. I do not think it was wise to do, legal or not, with the Hillary Clinton elephant in the room. I don’t take issue with the scope as far as rooms goes, I take it tie with the warrant allowing the seizure of non evidence documents for review offsite. |
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Posted: 8/19/2022 7:30:16 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Republicans are seen as punching bags and have been for a long time. Why wouldn't that invite more of it? I'm not sure they'll do all that well in November. No one wants to vote for weaklings and the only one with any stones is Trump himself. The party has lost respect. After everything that's gone on from shooting at Republicans at baseball games to impeachment and raiding Mar-a-lago under false pretenses, a sizable number of Republicans still vote with Democrats. I never see crossover in the other direction. Motherfuckers. Infuriating. Ron DeSantis seems to be a potential cure for every single one of these gripes. |
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Posted: 8/19/2022 7:32:42 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Ron DeSantis seems to be a potential cure for every single one of these gripes. The DNC is slowly starting in on him with a blowtorch now. Just a little here and there. Do you get the feeling the GOP has his back? |
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Posted: 8/19/2022 7:34:16 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I don’t take issue with the scope as far as rooms goes, I take it tie with the warrant allowing the seizure of non evidence documents for review offsite. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: No, it doesn't. It doesn't describe the specific things that are to be seized nor does it describe where those things were to be found nor does it place any limitations on either. The warrant was overly broad and this invalid/illegal. You have never applied for a search warrant, nor had training in law enforcement or criminal justice work. If a law enforcement officer is looking for documents, the scope of the search is any area at the property described where documents could be found/stored/hidden. As for the actual affidavit, since it hasn’t been released, it is premature to say definitively that it is faulty/invalid/illegal. There might be probable cause to do what they did, but the larger question is how wise it was. I do not think it was wise to do, legal or not, with the Hillary Clinton elephant in the room. I don’t take issue with the scope as far as rooms goes, I take it tie with the warrant allowing the seizure of non evidence documents for review offsite. I agree with you. Passports are documents, but possessing your own passport is not a violation of any law and is not evidence of mishandling classified, transmitting it to a foreign intelligence service, leaking classified to the media, or any of the other things listed in 793 and 794. Things like that will not only be considered seized unreasonably, they also open the agents who took them to deprivation of civil rights under color of law litigation. |
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Posted: 8/19/2022 7:36:01 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Hahahahahaha. Yeah, I don't believe you. Its extremely unusual that it is getting released even in redacted form. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I know this because we already have evidence of the corrupt criminals in the FIB seeking FISA warrants using false information and deliberately lying to a FISA court. These corrupt criminals have no compunction at all with lying or fabricating evidence. That is how I know. So, I actually do but apparently you do not. And, in this instance, as a matter of public policy, it should be released unredacted immediately. The FIBs are automatically suspect and should be treated as such. Was the raid on a former president "unusual"? All the involved bad actors are in two concurrent modes right now: damage control and to make Trump look bad. Kind of like your posts. |
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Posted: 8/19/2022 7:36:42 PM EDT
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Posted: 8/19/2022 7:37:00 PM EDT
[#47]
Quote HistoryQuoted: He didn't crash a plane, he crashed four. One more and he would have been an enemy ace. He was well known as a mediocre (at best) pilot. And let's not forget his nickname from while he was a POW - Songbird. There's a naval leadership award named after Admiral Stockdale, also a POW. Ever wonder why there isn't a McCain Award? Was McCain the class anchor?
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Posted: 8/19/2022 7:40:05 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I am just curious if the policy to remove people from threads is consistant. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: DK, have any of the trump absolutist who are trying to provoke a negative reaction from non trump supporters been removed from the thread? I appreciated getting called a “cucked quisling”. I had to look it up, and learned a new word. I am just curious if the policy to remove people from threads is consistant. Removed |
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Posted: 8/19/2022 7:47:02 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Was McCain the class anchor? |
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Posted: 8/19/2022 7:49:40 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I agree with you. Passports are documents, but possessing your own passport is not a violation of any law and is not evidence of mishandling classified, transmitting it to a foreign intelligence service, leaking classified to the media, or any of the other things listed in 793 and 794. Things like that will not only be considered seized unreasonably, they also open the agents who took them to deprivation of civil rights under color of law litigation. Seizing the documents from the attorneys will be an issue too. This would be a nightmare of a trial that I’m sure even the government doesn’t want. |
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