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Posted: 8/21/2022 5:23:50 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: But which is SIGNIFICANTLY more likely? The former. But that doesn’t exclude the possibility of the latter, which is all I’m saying. |
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Posted: 8/21/2022 5:47:30 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The former. But that doesn’t exclude the possibility of the latter, which is all I’m saying. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: But which is SIGNIFICANTLY more likely? The former. But that doesn’t exclude the possibility of the latter, which is all I’m saying. I think the old saying appropriate in this circumstance is the common reminder to new physicians “When you hear hoofs, think horse, not zebra.” |
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Posted: 8/21/2022 5:52:19 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The former. But that doesn’t exclude the possibility of the latter, which is all I’m saying. He could be a reformed child molester, let's give him that job in the day care and find out! There's nothing about the KGBI that is worth a cup full of spit. |
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Posted: 8/21/2022 5:52:35 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Case law is frequently responsible for the most offensive and egregious infringements on liberty. 'precedent' is usually garbage laziness that defaults to the state is always right. If precedent is ever finally overturned, the government never pays any penalty for being wrong. Case law is responsible for the legal morass that prevents the Constitution from being the supreme law of the land. Some dipshit lower court leftist activist judge makes a stupid determination and now we are all bound by it. Stupid. Only lawyers could rationalize such a situation. 
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Posted: 8/21/2022 5:53:47 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I think the old saying appropriate in this circumstance is the common reminder to new physicians “When you hear hoofs, think horse, not zebra.” That’s fair. |
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Posted: 8/21/2022 6:01:13 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It’s completely reasonable to be inclined to believe this is a bullshit political witch-hunt, based on the FBI’s previous behavior towards Trump. That’s not mutually exclusive from believing it is within the realm of possibility that the FBI could also produce material which was seized, and completely validate the search. We just don’t know yet. You can believe one thing while remaining open to the possibility it might turn out to be something else. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Bull fucking shit it is. The FBI doesn't get any benefit of the doubt at this point. Not anymore. They have shown who and what they are until they establish a decades long track record of doing otherwise. It’s completely reasonable to be inclined to believe this is a bullshit political witch-hunt, based on the FBI’s previous behavior towards Trump. That’s not mutually exclusive from believing it is within the realm of possibility that the FBI could also produce material which was seized, and completely validate the search. We just don’t know yet. You can believe one thing while remaining open to the possibility it might turn out to be something else. They'll produce material one way or another. |
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Posted: 8/21/2022 6:05:04 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: They'll produce material one way or another. I posted several pages back that regardless of the outcome, tens of millions of Americans won’t accept it. And at this point, I’d hardly blame them. |
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Posted: 8/21/2022 6:21:01 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It’s completely reasonable to be inclined to believe this is a bullshit political witch-hunt, based on the FBI’s previous behavior towards Trump. That’s not mutually exclusive from believing it is within the realm of possibility that the FBI could also produce material which was seized, and completely validate the search. We just don’t know yet. You can believe one thing while remaining open to the possibility it might turn out to be something else. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Bull fucking shit it is. The FBI doesn't get any benefit of the doubt at this point. Not anymore. They have shown who and what they are until they establish a decades long track record of doing otherwise. It’s completely reasonable to be inclined to believe this is a bullshit political witch-hunt, based on the FBI’s previous behavior towards Trump. That’s not mutually exclusive from believing it is within the realm of possibility that the FBI could also produce material which was seized, and completely validate the search. We just don’t know yet. You can believe one thing while remaining open to the possibility it might turn out to be something else. This level of hope and optimism for a good mans destruction by a known evil corrupt organization is not sad,... It fucking sickening. |
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Posted: 8/21/2022 6:31:34 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: This level of hope and optimism for a good mans destruction by a known evil corrupt organization is not sad,... It fucking sickening. lol whatever kiddo. I’ve said no such thing, and have posted several times to the contrary. |
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Posted: 8/21/2022 6:35:44 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The former. But that doesn’t exclude the possibility of the latter, which is all I’m saying. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: But which is SIGNIFICANTLY more likely? The former. But that doesn’t exclude the possibility of the latter, which is all I’m saying. Keep pushing your ridiculous and specious mathematical probability argument. The odds of winning the lottery are one out of 302,575,350. So there is always the "possibility" you may win. And since the FIB prints their own lottery tickets (makes up evidence) the "possibility" is a little greater. |
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Posted: 8/21/2022 6:38:24 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Keep pushing your ridiculous and specious mathematical probability argument. The odds of winning the lottery are one out of 302,575,350. So there is always the "possibility" you may win. And since the FIB prints their own lottery tickets (makes up evidence) the "possibility" is a little greater. This came about from posters claiming it was legally impossible for Trump to have engaged in wrongdoing with his handling of classified information, because he was the POTUS after all. Which is simply untrue. |
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Posted: 8/21/2022 6:44:02 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: lol whatever kiddo. I’ve said no such thing, and have posted several times to the contrary. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Bull fucking shit it is. The FBI doesn't get any benefit of the doubt at this point. Not anymore. They have shown who and what they are until they establish a decades long track record of doing otherwise. It’s completely reasonable to be inclined to believe this is a bullshit political witch-hunt, based on the FBI’s previous behavior towards Trump. That’s not mutually exclusive from believing it is within the realm of possibility that the FBI could also produce material which was seized, and completely validate the search. We just don’t know yet. You can believe one thing while remaining open to the possibility it might turn out to be something else. This level of hope and optimism for a good mans destruction by a known evil corrupt organization is not sad,... It fucking sickening. lol whatever kiddo. I’ve said no such thing, and have posted several times to the contrary. fascinating. |
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Posted: 8/21/2022 6:52:06 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: fascinating. Liberals make shit up about people they don’t like. Kinda like this whole FBI warrant and raid. Don’t be like the liberals. |
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Posted: 8/21/2022 6:56:55 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Liberals make shit up about people they don’t like. Kinda like this whole FBI warrant and raid. Don’t be like the liberals. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: fascinating. Liberals make shit up about people they don’t like. Kinda like this whole FBI warrant and raid. Don’t be like the liberals. Quoted: As far as I can tell it’s the same Q-cult and Trumptards trying to argue that what the FBI did was totally uncool and that there’s nothing Possibly wrong their cult leader could have done. Quoted: We just don’t know yet. You can believe one thing while remaining open to the possibility it might turn out to be something else. Don’t be like the liberals?? fascinating. |
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Posted: 8/21/2022 7:05:17 PM EST
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In Trump's Christmas letter to the nation he said something to the effect that the political witchhunt happening to him should never happen to anyone or future presidents. This was during the Mueller investigation. It was kinda sad seeing someone admit there was no going back and fixing what was done to them, but they never wanted it to happen to anyone in the future.
The folks in this thread chomping at the bit for Trump to be guilty (don't deny it, it's very obvious based on the volume and pattern of posts) should remember this. Maybe your favorite man will be president one day and get the same treatment as Trump did from both the media and the government. Maybe one day it will be you. Then when Guilty Until Proven Innocent is the order of the day, your thoughts on due process might change. |
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Posted: 8/21/2022 7:27:50 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: We won't have all the information. We will have whatever the FBI shows us. Unfortunately the group "investigating" Trump has already altered documents and used information they knew was no good. It is already a miscarriage of justice allowing those folks to remain in the FBI and clown world that they get to go after Trump again. If it goes to court, I hope its in Florida and the defense can point out how they had previously fabricated a case against trump. I agree. It’s just part of the same old witch hunt. But I am curious to see what they made up as “probable cause.” We don’t know and like you said. We will probably never know unless they follow through with an arrest and criminal trial. |
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Posted: 8/21/2022 7:37:08 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: This came about from posters claiming it was legally impossible for Trump to have engaged in wrongdoing with his handling of classified information, because he was the POTUS after all. Which is simply untrue. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Keep pushing your ridiculous and specious mathematical probability argument. The odds of winning the lottery are one out of 302,575,350. So there is always the "possibility" you may win. And since the FIB prints their own lottery tickets (makes up evidence) the "possibility" is a little greater. This came about from posters claiming it was legally impossible for Trump to have engaged in wrongdoing with his handling of classified information, because he was the POTUS after all. Which is simply untrue. That's a stupid point to continue to argue about. Almost as stupid as continuing to argue Trump is too old. However, you have been trying to disingenuously parlay that into Trump might possibly be guilty of some crime. Sowing seeds of doubt. A typical leftist move. The probability of Trump being guilty of a crime, after six years of investigation, is the same as Biden and son being innocent of a crime. Both are zero. The FIB, as usual, is looking for crime in all the wrong places. |
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Posted: 8/21/2022 7:39:25 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The underlying affidavit isn't relevant to the warrant being unlawfully overbroad. The affidavit could say "Trump spit on the sidewalk! That's a crime!". Nothing in the affidavit would support an unConstitutionally overbroad warrant being issued. If the affidavit intimated a specific crime or crimes may have been committed, then the warrant, by necessity, would be limited to obtaining specific evidence of that crime or crimes. It can't be a fishing expedition and it can't rope in anything that isn't nailed down, especially not privileged attorney-client papers (or passports or his laundry bill). Please don’t take this the wrong way. But you don’t know what they provided in the affidavit for the judge to read. None of us do. However, I do agree with you that it appears to be over reaching. And with the history of the corrupt Feebs. It’s probably all hogwash, the judge knows it’s hogwash and after the election when the truth comes out we can all say “see I told you” it was all bullshit. But they have all the documents now. If they really want him to hang. They will either find something he did wrong or make something up and follow through with an arrest and finishing up in a trial. If that happens, 45 will die in isolation at AD MAX in Florence, Colorado before his court date. If they want him bad enough. They have him at this point and there is nothing anyone can do about it. We just have to see how far they are willing to go. |
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Posted: 8/21/2022 7:43:44 PM EST
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I think charging him might be something they will be nervous to do.
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Posted: 8/21/2022 7:50:06 PM EST
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Posted: 8/21/2022 8:32:48 PM EST
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Post_count.
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Posted: 8/21/2022 8:36:42 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It’s completely reasonable to be inclined to believe this is a bullshit political witch-hunt, based on the FBI’s previous behavior towards Trump. That’s not mutually exclusive from believing it is within the realm of possibility that the FBI could also produce material which was seized, and completely validate the search. We just don’t know yet. You can believe one thing while remaining open to the possibility it might turn out to be something else.  Attached FileThe walls are closing in this time!!!  Attached File |
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Posted: 8/21/2022 8:38:30 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Liberals make shit up about people they don’t like. Kinda like this whole FBI warrant and raid. Don’t be like the liberals. I don't need to make up anything about the eff bee eye. |
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Posted: 8/21/2022 8:40:25 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Don’t be like the liberals. Said the rabid never trumper. |
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Posted: 8/21/2022 8:40:52 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Don’t be like the liberals?? fascinating. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: fascinating. Liberals make shit up about people they don’t like. Kinda like this whole FBI warrant and raid. Don’t be like the liberals. Quoted: As far as I can tell it’s the same Q-cult and Trumptards trying to argue that what the FBI did was totally uncool and that there’s nothing Possibly wrong their cult leader could have done. Quoted: We just don’t know yet. You can believe one thing while remaining open to the possibility it might turn out to be something else. Don’t be like the liberals?? fascinating.  Attached File |
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Posted: 8/21/2022 8:43:07 PM EST
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I sort of feel bad for poor old troutman84.
He backed a losing hand. |
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Posted: 8/21/2022 8:53:59 PM EST
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Levin: Dems will do anything to prevent Trump from running again
 Levin: Dems will do anything to prevent Trump from running again |
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Posted: 8/21/2022 9:44:24 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Said the rabid never trumper. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Don’t be like the liberals. Said the rabid never trumper. He claims he backs DeSantis. He doesn't. That's just his cover so he can relentlessly attack Trump, the stronger man. His real motivation is to split the republican team, which makes us weaker. Its called divide and conquer. Because everyone united behind Trump would be an unstoppable force. If he really was one of us, and a team player, he would not refer to us as "Trumptards" following our "cult leader." He's not for DeSantis. He's just here to sow division. A liberal shill, getting paid to stir the pot. |
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Posted: 8/21/2022 10:10:59 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: As far as I can tell it’s the same Q-cult and Trumptards trying to argue that what the FBI did was totally uncool and that there’s nothing Possibly wrong their cult leader could have done. As far as I can tell its the same Leftist assholes and Media trying to argue that Trump is totally uncool and that there’s nothing Possible wrong with this cult using the DOJ to go after Trump for over six years. Fixed your crap for you. Your welcome. |
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Posted: 8/21/2022 10:16:58 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: He claims he backs DeSantis. He doesn't. That's just his cover so he can relentlessly attack Trump, the stronger man. His real motivation is to split the republican team, which makes us weaker. Its called divide and conquer. Because everyone united behind Trump would be an unstoppable force. If he really was one of us, and a team player, he would not refer to us as "Trumptards" following our "cult leader." He's not for DeSantis. He's just here to sow division. A liberal shill, getting paid to stir the pot.  Sam Harris: Trump University Worse than Anything on Hunter's Laptop |
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Posted: 8/21/2022 10:18:55 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: He claims he backs DeSantis. He doesn't. That's just his cover so he can relentlessly attack Trump, the stronger man. His real motivation is to split the republican team, which makes us weaker. Its called divide and conquer. Because everyone united behind Trump would be an unstoppable force. If he really was one of us, and a team player, he would not refer to us as "Trumptards" following our "cult leader." He's not for DeSantis. He's just here to sow division. A liberal shill, getting paid to stir the pot. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Don’t be like the liberals. Said the rabid never trumper. He claims he backs DeSantis. He doesn't. That's just his cover so he can relentlessly attack Trump, the stronger man. His real motivation is to split the republican team, which makes us weaker. Its called divide and conquer. Because everyone united behind Trump would be an unstoppable force. If he really was one of us, and a team player, he would not refer to us as "Trumptards" following our "cult leader." He's not for DeSantis. He's just here to sow division. A liberal shill, getting paid to stir the pot. You are correct. He's a troll and a snake. |
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Posted: 8/21/2022 10:24:13 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I sort of feel bad for poor old troutman84. He backed a losing hand. Was he banned? He was very devoted to Trump having legitimately lost the election. In. Every. Thread. |
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Posted: 8/21/2022 11:00:14 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Was he banned? He was very devoted to Trump having legitimately lost the election. In. Every. Thread. Not banned... just changed his screen name to avoid all the hate raining down on him. I don't think it worked. 
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Posted: 8/21/2022 11:15:00 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: This came about from posters claiming it was legally impossible for Trump to have engaged in wrongdoing with his handling of classified information, because he was the POTUS after all. Which is simply untrue. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Keep pushing your ridiculous and specious mathematical probability argument. The odds of winning the lottery are one out of 302,575,350. So there is always the "possibility" you may win. And since the FIB prints their own lottery tickets (makes up evidence) the "possibility" is a little greater. This came about from posters claiming it was legally impossible for Trump to have engaged in wrongdoing with his handling of classified information, because he was the POTUS after all. Which is simply untrue. No, it most assuredly is true. He is the OCA for every classified document during his presidency. There is no dispute about that at all. As such, since he declassified all the documents in his possession, they are, by definition, declassified. |
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Posted: 8/21/2022 11:15:11 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Was he banned? He was very devoted to Trump having legitimately lost the election. In. Every. Thread. |
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Posted: 8/21/2022 11:23:17 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Please don’t take this the wrong way. But you don’t know what they provided in the affidavit for the judge to read. None of us do. However, I do agree with you that it appears to be over reaching. And with the history of the corrupt Feebs. It’s probably all hogwash, the judge knows it’s hogwash and after the election when the truth comes out we can all say “see I told you” it was all bullshit. But they have all the documents now. If they really want him to hang. They will either find something he did wrong or make something up and follow through with an arrest and finishing up in a trial. If that happens, 45 will die in isolation at AD MAX in Florence, Colorado before his court date. If they want him bad enough. They have him at this point and there is nothing anyone can do about it. We just have to see how far they are willing to go. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: The underlying affidavit isn't relevant to the warrant being unlawfully overbroad. The affidavit could say "Trump spit on the sidewalk! That's a crime!". Nothing in the affidavit would support an unConstitutionally overbroad warrant being issued. If the affidavit intimated a specific crime or crimes may have been committed, then the warrant, by necessity, would be limited to obtaining specific evidence of that crime or crimes. It can't be a fishing expedition and it can't rope in anything that isn't nailed down, especially not privileged attorney-client papers (or passports or his laundry bill). Please don’t take this the wrong way. But you don’t know what they provided in the affidavit for the judge to read. None of us do. However, I do agree with you that it appears to be over reaching. And with the history of the corrupt Feebs. It’s probably all hogwash, the judge knows it’s hogwash and after the election when the truth comes out we can all say “see I told you” it was all bullshit. But they have all the documents now. If they really want him to hang. They will either find something he did wrong or make something up and follow through with an arrest and finishing up in a trial. If that happens, 45 will die in isolation at AD MAX in Florence, Colorado before his court date. If they want him bad enough. They have him at this point and there is nothing anyone can do about it. We just have to see how far they are willing to go. You glossed over my main point. The warrant was overly broad and nothing contained in the affidavit matters one iota in that regard. The affidavit could be accurate and pure as the driven snow but the warrant is still unlawfully overly broad. So, the affidavit *cannot* support an overly broad warrant because an overly broad warrant is illegal as it violates the 4th Amendment *regardless* of what the affidavit says. The only real question about the affidavit is whether it contains deliberate falsehoods or is completely fabricated from whole cloth like the FISA crap was. As for your other comments, long before Trump is put on trial, there would be a civil war. There aren't enough feds of any kind to prevent the kind of uprising that would happen. They are playing with fire and they better start to get their heads out of their asses before they set off a spark that will lead to a very bad place. |
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Posted: 8/21/2022 11:29:09 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: No, it most assuredly is true. He is the OCA for every classified document during his presidency. There is no dispute about that at all. As such, since he declassified all the documents in his possession, they are, by definition, declassified. Now do restricted data, formerly restricted data, and the atomic energy act. |
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Posted: 8/21/2022 11:38:41 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Now do restricted data, formerly restricted data, and the atomic energy act. Sources say that the nuclear information relates to the Iran nuclear deal, so it’s very unlikely to contain the sort of information that is restricted by the Atomic Energy Act. In any case it’s an unknown presently whether the courts would allow the AEA to restrict the President. |
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Posted: 8/21/2022 11:45:06 PM EST
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I just read thread pages 162 and 163 and could have sworn it’s been the same two thread pages as the last 30-40…
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Posted: 8/22/2022 12:19:39 AM EST
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Posted: 8/22/2022 1:34:43 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Post_count. This thing still chiggin? |
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Posted: 8/22/2022 1:37:27 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I just read thread pages 162 and 163 and could have sworn it's been the same two thread pages as the last 30-40 |
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Posted: 8/22/2022 2:48:18 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Never heard of case law or common law? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: RVW was never a law - it was a Supreme Court decision that invented a Constitutional right out of thin air. Never heard of case law or common law? Dred Scott v. Sandford |
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Posted: 8/22/2022 2:49:36 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I’m not giving them credibility. And further, even if Trump did some stuff he shouldn’t have, I still wouldn’t support the warrant or search. I don’t believe former presidents should be politically prosecuted. It would have to be a grave disregard for national security in his mishandling of specific information to justify this warrant. But however unlikely you or I believe that to be, it’s possible. We just don’t know yet. You just don’t know yet? Lol. Over the past 6 years you watched the FBI stage a coup de tat against a nationally elected president and you “just don’t know yet”? |
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Posted: 8/22/2022 3:33:32 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It seems more and more this is a case of a fake news story about stuff being flushed down the toilet that the FBI/DOJ used to raid his home. Every facility that contains classified papers also contains an awesome, expensive shredder. Also, just try flushing paper down the toilet. It doesn’t work that well. Fake news. |
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Posted: 8/22/2022 5:21:49 AM EST
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The mainstream media has about the same level of credibility as the current DOJ. It’s really interesting to see people who acknowledge this still site either as a believable source.
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Posted: 8/22/2022 6:18:48 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Not banned... just changed his screen name to avoid all the hate raining down on him. I don't think it worked. Do we know the new screen name? |
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Posted: 8/22/2022 7:16:09 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I just read thread pages 162 and 163 and could have sworn it’s been the same two thread pages as the last 30-40… Same_trolls: Same dumbasses responding and quoting Jay |
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Posted: 8/22/2022 7:22:09 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: They'll produce material one way or another. Remember how they portrayed the Don Jr. meeting? When all along the entire fake debacle was the Hillary/DNC machine using a foreign spy to dig up dirt on Donald Trump and despite knowing it was fake since the FBI interviewed the Russian source, still used it to spy on him. |
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Posted: 8/22/2022 7:27:34 AM EST
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"We don't know that he didn't do something this time!" is a hell of an argument to make.
"I mean, sure, they've broken the law and violated core principles and ethics repeatedly to pursue a political enemy, but maybe they're not doing that this time...even though it's become clear that many of the same players from previous acts of malfeasance are active in this event as well." |
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