This is part of their modus operandi - if a thread has content that they want to suppress then they start shit to fill the thread with nonsense that makes finding the aforementioned content more difficult.

But it's possible say the trolls.

The FBI have long since worn out any presumption of their lack of wrongdoing. They've been caught at it (or even just not tried to hide it) so many times now that Occam's Razor says we should assume wrongdoing until proven otherwise.

lol, true... for this and almost any GD political thread... are u not entertained?

Sure is. From the way they argue I think they're lawyers.  Being so they will never be swayed, it's a pointless effort.

Somebody on here posted a link to a Supreme Court case that says that Congress can't limit the power of the President in that way. Essentially, the President has the power to declassify anything he so chooses. That's why Presidents of both parties take the use of that power very seriously.

"Their favorite man" will be "Premier and President for Life" and they think that they will be richly rewarded for their loyalty.  In reality, they'll be in a trench with all the other capable of revolution minions, or worrying about getting half a slice of bread to eat at the work camp today.

A standing order to have anything automatically declassified which was taken to his private residence, for convenience and CYA, doesn’t strike me as taking “use of that power very seriously”. But YMMV I suppose.

…the accumulation of recent congressional testimony has made it clear that the Obama administration itself engaged in the wholesale destruction and “loss” of tens of thousands of government records covered under the act as well as the intentional evasion of the government records recording system by engaging in private email exchanges. So far, former President Obama, former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, former Attorney General Lynch and several EPA officials have been named as offenders. The IRS suffered record “losses” as well. Former federal prosecutor Andrew McCarthy called it “an unauthorized private communications system for official business for the patent purpose of defeating federal record-keeping and disclosure laws.”

Clearly, America’s National Archives is facing the first major challenge to its historic role in preserving the records of the United States. What good is the National Archives administering a presidential library, like the planned Obama library in Chicago, if it is missing critical records of interest to scholars? And what’s to prevent evasion of the entire federal records system by subsequent administrations to suit current politics rather than serve scholars for centuries to come?

The understanding of most people within the government of the classification system is so lacking I have very little faith that most classified documents, are approximately classified  or should actually be classified.  

Some of my pet peeves, before CUI people, slapped the caveat FOUO on everything despite there being only 9 reasons to do that.  People think CUI is a classification and use it instead of UNCLASSIFIED//CUI as appropriate and the adding NOFORN on documents, not knowing that is only appropriate for certain products and in most cases it’s not appropriate.

Now apply that same logic to election integrity in states that violated election laws.  

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If they would have used more than the “who are you going to believe, your lying eyes or me and everyone else who has lied to you for the last 5 years shouting debunked” method to prove election intergrity most people would be less concerned.

Now now, the work to mock, deride, and run down freedom and common sense is getting even more difficult than the FBHO years.

It should be asking for a raise.

If it wants to stick around with influence, it needs to switch from know it all snark to demure conciliation for a few days. Then back to normal in the next thread.

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Florida judge REJECTS Biden administration's bid to keep entire Mar-a-Lago search affidavit sealed and calls the Trump raid 'unprecedented' - but says a full release could lead to obstruction and witness intimidation


The federal judge considering the push to unseal the affidavit that bolstered the FBI raid on Mar-a-Lago issued an order Monday rejecting the government's push to keep the entire document under wraps and revealed his inclination to make public at least some of the information.

Federal Magistrate Judge Bruce Reinhart in his new order rejects the government's argument that 'the present record justifies keeping the entire Affidavit under seal.'

The judge instead calls for 'narrowly tailoring' what is made public and searching for the 'least onerous alternatives' – a posture that could make new information on the government's investigation public within days.


It came in an order where the judge – who signed off the on the FBI's search warrant for parts of the former president's home and golf club – said there is a 'significant likelihood' that unsealing it 'could then impede the ongoing investigation through obstruction of justice and witness intimidation or retaliation.'

He also said it is likely it 'would harm legitimate privacy interests by directly disclosing the identity of the affiant as well as providing evidence that could be used to identify witnesses.'



The judge put off a final decision last week and told the government to come back with proposed redactions to the document.

But he rejected DOJ's claim that putting out a redacted version would be essentially meaningless because of all the information that would be blacked out. DOJ said in court last week that doing so would result in a document 'devoid of content that would meaningfully enhance the public’s understanding.'

'I cannot say at this point that partial redactions will be so extensive that they will result in a meaningless disclosure, but I may ultimately reach that conclusion,' the judge said in the order, hedging.




US Magistrate Judge Bruce Reinhart told DOJ to propose redactions by Thursday


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Exactly right.

Executive privilege/discretion isn't even needed.

Nothing found through that warrant is admissible in any trial. The raid was about seizing information damaging to the deep state. That's all.

No doubt. Perp walking an ex-president is a threshold never crossed. But so is the rest of what they have done to Trump. We just have to wait and see.

If its more of the same as like the lies and bullshit of Russia! Russia! Russia! - Pee Pee Gate etc.. The Govt will just get another bruise. The constitutional beatings of the American people will continue. We will have no viable candidates to vote for and the spiral down will carry on unimpeded.

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I have some free time at work so I'm about to go all in on this discussion with some TLDR shit, lol.

I was actually saying I kind of agree with you. As others have pointed out. You are ignorant as to the procedure for how search warrants in America are granted and how the scope of said warrant is obtained. I will attempt to school you on it right quick. Please bear with me here.  


So lets say for the sake of argument. Trump snatched up 10 classified documents and all the nuclear launch codes for the missiles on the east coast. He's in his office at Mar-a-Lago sharing a diet coke and some big mac meals with Kanye West, The Kraken lady, Qanon, Ivanka, Tiffany, and a couple of other people he thinks he can trust. He starts running his trap about said documents and flashing them around telling them he's meeting Vlad next week to sell them and make some cold hard cash and get revenge on Mike Pence for Jan 6. One of those trusted people decides he just cant live it and the orange man must be stopped! So He/She leaves and calls someone at the FBI. The FBI starts jizzing and shitting all over themselves because orange man bad, right?

So they decide to do some investigating and low and behold, BOOM, they find, or in the case of the dirty FBI, fabricate enough "probable Cause" to believe Trump snatched the documents. They now have the information from the "investigation" and the witness who brought the initial information to them.

All that stuff that has lead them to this point is then summarized, typed up in the affidavit, signed and affirmed/sworn by someone to be truthful to the best of their knowledge and delivered to a judge or submitted with a web based program.

Also attached to the affidavit is the warrant which requests the area or areas where they have established "probable cause" during the investigation where the documents could be stored or where the person saw him put them. So you would list out the places where you would like to search. (this is where I agree with you again, because the scope of the search appears to over reach because of the date ranges and them seizing things like his passports and the property receipt is purposely left vague. Serving a search warrant on an ex-president should be so fucking detailed that list would be huge along with photographs of where it was found before it is moved/collected and its condition documented. I would even have weather conditions listed on the property receipt)

The judge reads it and either agrees the "probable cause" on the warrant is justified or not and scope of their search is also warranted. If he agrees or in this case, he's dirty, he signs it. The FBI assembles a team and then executes the warrant, seizes the classified documents if they find them or plant the ones they need to find. An arrest is either made on the spot if the offender is present or an arrest warrant is typed and sent to a judge to be signed, entered into the data base so that anyone with arrest powers in the country can snatch him up on site to be extradited.

We don't have the part they used to justify the warrant. That's all I am saying. That's what we are waiting on them to release.  

No one probably read this. So whatever lol

   

Do you have evidence of this?  The reason I ask is because you are stating it as fact.

Some folks read it.

Thing is, you're just flat wrong. There is no affidavit of any kind or sort that can justify an unlawfully overbroad warrant. An unlawfully overbroad warrant violates the 4th Amendment. It doesn't matter what's in the affidavit in that case. That's the whole point. Nothing in the affidavit can justify an unlawfully overbroad warrant. That is axiomatic.

As to the FIBs using a corrupt judge to arm wave an invalid warrant, there's a very high likelihood of that as you point out. There's also some likelihood that the affidavit is just as bogus as the FISA crap and the judge was told by the FIBs to look the other way.

Weird, I thought Trump's legal team were the ones trying to keep it quiet because they knew he was Benedict Arnold II.

His logic is sound, however. We've been speculating since this whole thing blew up that they were looking for things that would document criminal activity within FIB/DoJ/IC. The notion that they would deliberately get a corrupt judge to allow an unConstitutionally overbroad warrant which they knew would get thrown out just so they could go on a fishing expedition to try to recover that which would prove their own guilt is one possible scenario. In such an instance, the corrupt FIB/DoJ could then say they couldn't "get" Trump because he got off on a technicality and at the same time bury the evidence of their own criminal activity. That plan may have spectacularly backfired, though, since it doesn't appear they found what they were looking for and now there is a giant spotlight shining on all their dirty laundry.

Careful. Pointing that out leads to getting your pee pee slapped around here.

But there has to be one. even if its a fraudulent document. Hopefully the judge who has ordered it to be redacted will release it and it has at least some information we can then form our opinions on. If its valid I personally would expect an arrest. If its all bullshit, like I think we both agree on. Nothing else will happen other than establishment GOP/DEM grand standing and continued media smearing until the election is over in 2024.

So it was just a guess?

The Presidential Records Act will likely sink the warrant. They went in part to obtain things that he lawfully possessed. That part of the search is what allowed them to take things that weren’t marked classified. And simply retaining classified documents isn’t enough to get a reasonable prosecutor to go after a former cabinet Secretary let alone a former President.

The only way the materials could validate the search is if the materials fit a proper SPECIFIC search warrant that wasn't a "search every document from the entire place" warrant AND said warrant was gotten properly, which means we need to see the evidence and testimony and reasoning given for it, and why it was accepted.

The judge being heavily involved pro-epstien means NONE of that can be trusted; it ALL has to be checked and verified, because of the source.

You can not and should not go the route of "we are investigating people to see if we can pin anything on them." There's bloody good reasons why we strive to investigate CRIMES, and only crimes that we have good evidence happened, instead of investigating people.

When the disney special district thing happened, every thread that I read on that here, he was in them being broadly anti-desantis. Ditto most other desantis threads, the general take he's used has been "over reach, this is government expansion and shouldn't be done." FWTW.

Except nowhere in the search warrant does it specify particular documents. " Any documents created during Trump's time as President", is a fishing expedition.

So he just straight up admitted it wasn't in the COTUS.

Also, common law is based on long standing traditions.  Guess what WASN'T based on that in 1973.

You know, besides being eternally morally wrong; but who cares about that, amirite?

Investigate him harder! Execute those general search warrants with more zeal! Take apart all the haybales!  Muck out the stalls full of crap! Pull the walls down! Search as hard as you can, there's gotta be something!

If what you are saying is true, it'll be easy fir trump to file a motion to challenge the warrant.  I'd imagine it'll fail.

This.

A million times, THIS.

This thread is a drop-dead clear cut case of them spamming it to death. It doesn't matter in terms of moderating the site if they are doing it intentionally or not, they ARE doing it.  They should have been banned from the thread over a hundred pages ago. Not for disagreeing about the trump raid,  but for being spambots.  Hello mods, how could you miss this?

I hope so. Wonder how long it will take them to get to the bottom of it? I suspect it will be years. In the mean time the witch hunt will continue i am afraid.

I agree. We need to see the affidavit.

I saw this earlier today and the phrase that came to mind was:

Limited Hangout. To cover somebody's butt and keep people from digging hard.  Dangle more than you thought they'd ever give out to make you think you're getting the whole thing and otherwise distract you.

Yep, exactly right, sadly, we're going to be hearing crap from sunup to sundown from now till the election is over.

The search warrant is public. That's exactly what it says. No if

Hardly. His reasoning that they didn't care that the warrant would eventually get tossed because they were trying to find the dirt Trump has on them makes perfect sense. Some of us were speculating they were after the docs Trump has documenting their crimes. This puts a different twist on why the warrant itself was outrageously overbroad. They didn't care.

I'm with Planemaker on this. The affidavit is irrelevant. Would I like to see it? Yes.

If the affidavit had evidence of specific documents, it would have been listed in the warrant

No, the warrant would fail because it is unlawfully overly broad. Multiple actual experts on the subject (like Dershowitz, Turley and others) have weighed in as to why that is so. The video posted that had Barnes talking about the criteria the courts have used to determine overly broad was posted. His contention is that it fails all of those tests and explains why.

As a poster above pointed out, it is possible they made it intentionally overly broad because (a) they were on a fishing expedition to see what Trump had on them and (b) they knew it would get tossed anyway as overly broad. Since they appear not to have found what they were looking for and the blowback has been "extreme" (to say the least), I'd say whatever they were doing, they failed miserably at doing it.

I want to see the unredacted version because, I suspect, it has something deliberately fabricated or has something that would be evidence of a crime on the part of the FIBs/DoJ. They just can't help themselves.

I don't use the ignore option so I don't know anything about it. But I have a question that maybe you know, maybe you don't.

If you put both the trolls, AND the "dumb asses" on ignore, is it like crossing a negative with a possessive killing your pc or phone?

Can’t have Trump winning the war of public opinion.  

Fox News BANS President Trumphttps://t.co/fa8lUkAu0b

Chuck Woolery  (@chuckwoolery) August 21, 2022

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11135837/Trump-files-lawsuit-against-FBI-Mar-Lago-raid.html

BREAKING NEWS: Trump sues the federal government over the Mar-a-Lago raid, says his Fourth Amendment rights have been violated and asks for a special master to oversee the probe

   Filing calls the FBI raid a 'shockingly aggressive move'
   Suit seeks judicial relief an a Special Master to oversee materials
   Wants a detailed list of property seized by FBI agents in raid this month
   Demands return of any documbnts 'not within the scope' of search warrant
   Federal judge in Florida ordered DOJ to offer redactions for affidavit that buttressed search warrant
   Raid came after Trump removed 15 boxes of material
   Trump's suit describes back-and-forth between DOJ and president's staff
   It says documents were held in storage area with clothes and other items

is there a list anywhere of the screen name changes?