Forget Doing Law Enforcement

I said earlier in this thread that FDLE does not like Rick Scott since he illegally fired Commissioner Bailey.

Interesting factoid I just found about Snipes. She was originally appointed by .... Yeb! Bush himself.

She was re-elected in 2004, 2008, 2012, and 2016.

How many tens of people is that?

Yea I know....LOL

I agree about 98% or so with your statement. It absolutely was a problem that the process Scott created in Florida was so arduous, and that it was incredibly difficult to ever get voting rights restored. Because of that, you have a lot of people that were supportive of thy amendment even though they didn't want automatic or broad restoration.

Let's face it - - almost 2/3 Florida voters supported the amendment. You had a process since the 70s that Florida had used with each Governor since then making minor tweaks until Chiles made it tougher. Jeb largely kept it the same but made some mild tweaks that made it easier to apply and less of a burden for minor felonies. Crist softened it up and made it even easier. Scott came along and totally changed the system back to being slow, difficult, and added a 5 year wait on top of that.

That was a stupid fucking decision by Scott. He could've made some minor tweaks and simply reversed what Crist did. But, no, they had to add that five year wait.

It isn't even all about voting. Florida is ridiculous with their licensing system for so many professions. So many people have to be licensed for regular jobs unlike many other states. Have a felony or lost your license in another field in Florida? No license for you. Some of the people didn't give a shit about voting. They wanted to just be able to work and earn a living for their family.

Florida's overly broad and aggressive licensing system for so many occupations is the opposite of the Conservative view of limited government, and limiting government interference into our economy.

I know you are well aware of the Florida licensing system. My point is that this was about more than voting rights, and Scott could have avoided the amendment and whole mess if he'd not been stupid about making changes to the restoration of rights process.

And, yes, ticky-tacky felonies like you mentioned are bullshit reasons to take away your right to vote, own a gun, or work in numerous occupations in Florida. Scott pissed off a lot of people and helped make this issue a media pet issue. He did so because he was trying to protect his short-term political career options by limiting the number of people with restored voting rights.

Gee, where have we heard of Rick Scott making a horrible policy decision based on short-term political gains that almost exclusively benefit Rick Scott?

I don't like Rick Scott, but it is probably true the anti-gun bill helped him. The exit polls showed that.

Scott is disliked by a lot of people for a lot of fucking reasons. While we'd like it to all he about guns, there are a lot of other issues that played into whether or not people supported him. That he received less votes than DeSantis, and was leading by less than DeSantis shows that it was primarily GOP voters dissatisfied with Scott. There is more than one reason for GOP voters to be upset with Scott other than guns.

Yup, he even made the Licensing worse. EVERYTHING is regulated in FL. And he has made enforcement and arrests of license violators a top priority.

This is false equivalency. There were not multiple long threads whining that the people of Utah should not vote for Romney or vote for his Democrat rival.

Seems like an easy thing for Scott to fix unless he's in on it.

Yes I know he's on the contested ballot.  I wouldn't trust a back stabbing gun banner like him to do anything honestly including trying to actually win vs. take a fall for a sweet high paying "job" as a consultant after the dust settles.

I cant believe that any state allows this to go on

If you cant get within a decision in 24 hours you have absolutely no dedication to getting it right and are allowing shenanigans like this to take place

I would think by now Florida would have shored up these vague laws on timing but they have no intention of doing so for just this reason

you win 5 internetz

I have family that moved back to AL for awhile to escape the insanity of the Florida licensing regime. It is a sickening usage of government power to control the economic prospects of its citizens.

Seems like we share the same opinion of Scott. But he's still a better option than Nelson.

Be thankful, Florida. At least you didn't have to deal with Roy Moore. I regret not working harder to get Mo Brooks or Strange to win the primary/runoff. Literally any other candidate would've won that Senate seat. I would've voted for any Republican other than Roy Moore.

Meh. It is bullshit that any of us have to deal with these bullshit candidates instead of candidates that are what we actually want. We need ranked choice voting.

Any updates?

He received about 22,000 more votes than DeSantis.

The reason DeSantis had a larger margin is that Nelson received about 43,000 more votes than Gillum and every valid vote cast in the Senate race was for either Scott or Nelson, while around 100,000 votes were cast for minor party candidates in the governor’s race.

Tough to say Scott will learn too much of a lesson when he actually outperformed DeSantis in terms of votes, he just happened to be running in a race against a less unpopular opponent and without the slight fracturing that the governor’s race saw.

Yes, and the tax base based on GDP is 3.8 times. I don't see any point in this.

Same workers tend to do several elections and need to be trained only once. Any refresher training can be done on election day. Any of those sunk costs are irrelevant to the number of votes each person counts. You would only see some small fraction of more workers total needed to finish the count in the same time.

The $5 per vote figure would mean you wanted to hold a runoff election or otherwise two identical elections. What we are actually talking about is counting the early and absentee votes on election day.

In the Finnish model the labor cost is one fifth, so $1 per vote. And even if we unrealistically assumed counting every special ballot cost the same as election day ballot (actually it costs way less), that would be the fraction of how many special ballots there are compared to election day ballots. For example in Broward county that is still counting their early voter ballots, 712,840 total votes and 91,029 returned vote by mail ballots, 64,680 early voting ballots, so 22%. The expectation then would be that counting those early votes on election day would be 22 cents per vote labor cost at most, or 34 grand.

Also take note that in Finland ALL ballots are paper ballots and all of them are counted by hand. No black box machines to hack for massive fraud. Only the hand count tallies are computer processed. In any system that uses voting machines or machines to count paper ballots, the labor costs of proper counting would be much less.

Romney is loathed here. People would've cheered if he had lost. It's not a false equivalency.

Look, voting is a personal endeavor. There are people here who hate me because I wouldn't vote for Roy Moore.

There's no one on ARFCOM that can actually meet the ideological purity test that most people claim that want.

I didn't vote for Kay Ivey (Republican) for Governor in Alabama, or vote for my Republican state representative. They raised my fucking taxes, have lied about it, and rely on people mindlessly voting R to get away with it. I'm enraged with our Republican legislature and the Governor because of what they did. No political issue has ever made me this angry before.

I did, however, vote for tons of local Republicans and for other state level offices like Lt. Governor. Kay Ivey can rot for all I care.

Our anger, or a certain action by a politician, often motivates us a lot more than we want to admit.

Scott’s margin is just shy of 15k, DeSantis’s is a hair over 36k, Caldwell trails by 3k.

Oh, NBD. Just a now-deleted tweet from @PamKeithFL, a Democratic candidate for Congress, soliciting volunteers to commit election fraud. pic.twitter.com/0k4r5jkMcG

Eric Spencer  (@JustEric) November 8, 2018

Ok so we barely hanging on then. Geez

Anybody gonna do anything about it? Are the involved parties being arrested as we speak?

Ahh, that's interesting. I haven't looked at the vote totals since before I saw the big stink about Senate undervotes in Broward being well over 3%. I just assumed that DeSantis would end up with more raw votes than Scott because of the margin DeSantis had and the undervotes.

Totally forgot about the Reform Party candidate siphoning off votes.

Have they posted write-ins yet?

I'm still not convinced that a tabulation or data input error won't be found somewhere.

Remember, on election night, they listed Nelson winning Washington County with 78% of the vote, and DeSantis winning the same county with 77% of the vote.

That blatantly obvious error wasn't corrected until after 10pm Eastern. Now, imagine a less obvious error not in a deep red county like Washington County.

A judge just gave what's her name until 7pm to comply with the request. Just heard on the Howie Carr show

Florida only counts write-in votes for “qualified” write-in candidates (those who filed a form with the Division of Elections).  If you try to write-in someone else, it’s the same as not having voted that race.

From reviewing the results, at least in the big races I don’t see where any of the qualified write-ins received a single vote.

Video of hearing with ruling from bench is on Twitter

https://twitter.com/wsvn/status/1060989031738036224?s=12

I don't understand why the word "Immediately" was not included.

Maybe some ballots need found in the panhandle.

If that happened...
Screeching fraud fraud..would be heard from south florida...

Judge ruled defined immediate to mean 7pm.  Basically 3 hrs from her oral ruling.

It was.

https://miami.cbslocal.com/2018/11/09/judge-rules-in-gov-scotts-favor-in-broward-elections-records-request/

That did not help here in Virginia.....Land don't vote.

I despise Rick Scott.  I really do.  But at least that skeletal, bony motherfucker has some fight in him.

Why would you bother looking for ballots in an area recently devastated and thrown into chaos by a hurricane when you could go to Lauderdale, party with a tranny in your hotel room, give some instructions to a simpleton then get your direct deposit a few days later ????

There sure don't appear to be boxes of ballots "appearing" in my county...

Florida is hardcore on licensing since it doesn't collect an income tax. That is what many don't realize. A good segment of new Floridians arriving here are retirees that don't have to worry about a job. They have their pension, 401k, defined benefits, etc paying for their lifestyle. Many move here because of no income tax.

But the everyday man and woman is gasping for air in a economically depressed market that is over regulated and license feed to death. The working population is very much hit hard, more so since we're a service based economy. That means if you want to make more than minimum wage stocking shelves or serving coffee. You either get government employment or start your own business. And starting your own business is not cheap here.

Our economic policies are bad. Not NY/CA bad. But bad compared to neighboring states. There is a reason that major industry has not settled in FL. Hell, Taurus is one of the biggest gun makers in the world and was forever located in FL. They moved to Bainbridge, GA for a reason. It is more affordable than FL. We actually have industry fleeing Florida.

Rick Scott's Open for Business ads are for the most part bullshit. He really has hurt the economy.

But but but.... Muh Tourism dollar$!!!!

JBT you post some of the most off the wall shit sometimes and most accurate shit other times.

This is pretty off the wall. Licensing issues in one or two industries doesn't reflect the economy of the entire state.

There's PLENTY of good jobs in Florida, especially in Tech, Medical, and finance. There's a number of LARGE companies with HQs or a significant presence in FL. Using Taurus as an example is laughable. To succeed here in these industries, all you have to do is apply yourself and work hard. Getting an education definitely helps. Instead, no, everyone wants to sit around and bitch that there's no enough jobs! It's so expensive! I don't make enough!. Well grind your fucking ass off and make that money or stop bitching. The opportunities here are endless! I'm not gasping for air. My wife isn't. My family isn't. So where do you get that shit?

Starting a business is also not expensive, so I don't know where the hell that comes from.

The people who do poorly here are those in service jobs who WANT to be in those jobs, and its because they don't want to apply themselves or do better (go to college, tech school, anything). They just want all those tourist and snowbird tips, and if they could, $15 an hour. People flock to this state from other shit holes to get these service jobs because there's so much of them, and it saturates or economy with such people, however it doesn't mean our economy is "economically depressed, over regulated, and license feed to death", or that industry is fleeing the state .

If you believe FL is horrible on business and has no industry, then you're pretty narrow minded or don't have much of a view into the actual economics of this state. Not to mention, you're Cuban right? When your forefathers came here, and there was less industry, did they bitch about it or did they put in work and make something?

How the hell is Broward County still using paper ballots?   I live in a poor PA county and we have electronic voting.

Can't argue about hanging chads and voter intent without paper ballots.

It's also hard to add electronic votes three days later while you can "find" boxes of ballots in closets/bathrooms/car trunks....

Ok, so even though Broward said yesterday they counted all early votes yesterday, Broward SOE staffer told us they are several bags of uncounted early ballots (not a lot, “tens of ballots” he said). Unclear when they knew about these.

Alex Harris  (@harrisalexc) November 9, 2018

This is a blurry picture, but the canvassing board is reviewing ballots where voters scribbled instead of filling in bubbles. On this one, the voter wrote an x over both Scott and Nelson, then circled DEM. Canvassing board rules invalid. Nelson lawyers object. pic.twitter.com/9ajYYSGF5P

Alex Harris  (@harrisalexc) November 9, 2018

Al Gore vs Bush Redux

And of course it's in a Democrat-controlled Florida district

Fucking retard voters.

The instructions clearly explain and demonstrate that you’re supposed to fill the bubble in.

how you going to count that? honestly...

Apparently we have to let everyone, no matter how mentally deficient they are, have a say in public policy.

Exactly. It ain't that god damn difficult...and who the fuck is Alex Harris?

The electronic voting is shit. No paper trail and the machines randomly change people's votes. I thought people were exaggerating the vote changing thing in 2016 but it happened to a relative this year.

ETA: Not saying it's a conspiracy but it just highlights their potential vulnerability.